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[surada]

How Theodor Herzl failed to convince the Ottomans to sell Palestine
Before the British allowed European Zionists to colonise Palestine, its chief idealogue, Theodor Herzl, attempted to buy the land from the Ottomans.

 

[surada]

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In 1892, the Ottoman government decided to prohibit the sale of land in Palestine to Jews, even if they were Ottoman citizens.
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Jewish land purchase in Palestine - Wikipedia

Jewish land purchase in Palestine - Wikipedia

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[Toddsterpatriot]

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In 1892, the Ottoman government decided to prohibit the sale of land in Palestine to Jews, even if they were Ottoman citizens.
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Jewish land purchase in Palestine - Wikipedia

Jewish land purchase in Palestine - Wikipedia

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Their success made the Ottoman failures more obvious.

 

[Kruska]

The Ottomans invited the Jews to come resettle back in their holy land. More lies from the paid Islamist propagandist.

1517 - 1917)​

Following the Ottoman conquest in 1517, the Land was divided into four districts and attached administratively to the province of Damascus and ruled from Istanbul. At the outset of the Ottoman era, an estimated 1,000 Jewish families lived in the country, mainly in Jerusalem, Nablus (Shechem), Hebron, Gaza, Safed (Tzfat) and the villages of Galilee. The community was comprised of descendants of Jews who had never left the Land as well as immigrants from North Africa and Europe.

Orderly government, until the death (1566) of Sultan Suleyman the Magificent, brought improvements and stimulated Jewish immigration. Some newcomers settled in Jerusalem, but the majority went to Safed where, by mid-16th century, the Jewish population had risen to about 10,000, and the town had become a thriving textile center as well as the focus of intense intellectual activity. During this period, the study of Kabbalah (Jewish mysticism) flourished, and contemporary clarifications of Jewish law, as codified in the Shulhan Arukh, spread throughout the Diaspora from the study houses in Safad.

You mean like how Palestinian animals keep attacking Israelis and then hide behind their own people claiming victimhood when Israel retaliates?

Jews - yes. And no Jewish people were persecuted by the Ottomans.
However the Ottomans clearly rejected Zionists and their notion to create an own homeland - being very well aware about the resulting violence and wars going to come from those Zionists.

 

[Roudy]

Jews - yes. And no Jewish people were persecuted by the Ottomans.
However the Ottomans clearly rejected Zionists and their notion to create an own homeland - being very well aware about the resulting violence and wars going to come from those Zionists.

So? You just blabbered meaningless gibberish. Again, the Ottomans invited the Jews, not Arabs, not Palestinians which did not exist nor did they make mention of, to come back and resettle in what the Ottomans themselves as Muslims themselves believed to be ancient and ancestral holy land of the Jews.

As far as your bullshit about Zionists etc., no empire, not the Ottomans, not the Persians, not the Romans, not the Greeks, gave up land they had conquered to any of the people the land belonged to. So the Jews were no exception.

 

[Roudy]

Palestinian Jews were 13% of the population. The Ottomans refused to sell land to the Jews.

The Ottomans nor did any of the empires in history such as Romans or Persians sold any land they had conquered to anyone, dipshit. The Jews were no exception. Go learn actual history, not the khara garbage they fill your stupid brain with in your mosque.

 

[luiza]

Troll Nazi Raspberry shivering at the shame he feels as the Israeli Ethnic Cleansers are rejected on all sides .
Bet you wish you could quit the drugs so that you could get back mental balance , Racist Raspberry .
You only have yourself to blame for becoming a Fake News Troll .

 

[Roudy]

Troll Nazi Raspberry shivering at the shame he feels as the Israeli Ethnic Cleansers are rejected on all sides .
Bet you wish you could quit the drugs so that you could get back mental balance , Racist Raspberry .
You only have yourself to blame for becoming a Fake News Troll .

Ha ha ha. Check it out dumbass…The Israelis have the leader of Hamas, Sinwar’s house surrounded. Still winning?

 

[surada]

Jews - yes. And no Jewish people were persecuted by the Ottomans.
However the Ottomans clearly rejected Zionists and their notion to create an own homeland - being very well aware about the resulting violence and wars going to come from those Zionists.

Yes. They refused to sell land to the Zionists or even to Jews who were citizens of the Ottoman empire.

 

[Shusha]

Yes. They refused to sell land to the Zionists or even to Jews who were citizens of the Ottoman empire.

Hmmm. Having two sets of laws for citizens, based on ethnicity. There is a word for that, isn't there?

 

[Roudy]

Yes. They refused to sell land to the Zionists or even to Jews who were citizens of the Ottoman empire.

You just like to throw your shit lies at the wall and see if it sticks and maybe somebody is gullible enough to believe them, don’t you. So now that we established that the Ottomans invited the Jews to resettle back in their ancient ancestral and religious homeland over 700 years ago, your response is…”oh but they refused to sell land to them or establish a state about 100 years ago!” As if any empire in history did, ever, to any group of people it had conquered and under its control. Fucking ignorant dipshit.

 

[Kruska]

The UN and its "peace-keeping" force did not take a map and draw a border at some new and random place and thus impose a border on Serbia and Kosovo.

Where did I state that the UN drew a border? I stated they imposed a border - in that case onto Serbia.

Nor did Kosovo, in their declaration of independence, take a map and draw a nice little circle and say, "here we go, this is ours".

That is exactly what Kosovo, NATO and the EU did

Borders don't get established in those ways. And every word of your post above is irrelevant to the legal boundaries.

The borders between Serbia and Kosovo are the borders inherited from the previous administration, specifically the republics and semi-autonomous regions of the former Yugoslavia.

If you don't know something - then stop posting irrelevant nonsense.

Until today Serbia and the majority of the UN members have not recognized a sovereign State of Kosovo.

Serbia has simply agreed to hand over the administration of the Serbian province of Kosovo to the UN. Agreed to pull out it's military and being replaced by KFOR to ensure peace between the different ethnic groups. And Serbia maintains that the province of Kosovo is an entity administered by the UN - within Serbian national territory. As such there are NO national borders.

Therefore Kosovo is not a sovereign State and therefore has no acknowledged sovereign borders, but simply those established by Belgrade as Kosovo's administrative regional provincial borders. If therefore Belgrade decides to send in a police force to quell civil unrest's - (which has been the case) and KFOR prevents these police forces from crossing the administrative border - (which has been the case) then the UN, via KFOR imposes a national border onto Serbia.

Which is illegal according to International law - since the UN does not have sovereignty over Kosovo, but only administrative rights.

The armistice line, Green Line was agreed upon by e.g. Egypt and Israel in 1949 (mediated via the UN) - therefore recognized by the UN and internationally recognized. It was Egypt that agreed to a 'demilitarized" zone on i

BTW - for you to gain some basic understanding, read some books and then figure out the difference between being a "country" and a "sovereign Nation"

 

[Kruska]

So? You just blabbered meaningless gibberish. Again, the Ottomans invited the Jews, not Arabs, not Palestinians which did not exist nor did they make mention of, to come back and resettle in what the Ottomans themselves as Muslims themselves believed to be ancient and ancestral holy land of the Jews.

Why would the Ottomans ask Arabs to settle in their Empire? they already lived there, you idiot.

As far as your bullshit about Zionists etc., no empire, not the Ottomans, not the Persians, not the Romans, not the Greeks, gave up land they had conquered to any of the people the land belonged to. So the Jews were no exception.

Rome never forbade Jews to buy land or property in the Roman Empire. WTF are you squealing about?
Neither did European countries - aside Spain during the period of the inquisition in Spain.

E.g. Pope Alexander VI.(the Borgia - for illiterates like you) - had even specifically allowed Jews to settle in Rome, conduct their business and buy land.

You are plain stupid and only post idiotic, false posts, full of hatred - because some Muslim probably humped your disappointed girlfriend.

 

[Shusha]

That is exactly what Kosovo, NATO and the EU did

No, they didn't. If you have evidence as to where and how the (administrative, if not sovereign) border between Serbia and Kosovo is DIFFERENT from the long-recognized previous administrative borders, and were created whole cloth and unilaterally by Kosovo please do share.

Until today Serbia and the majority of the UN members have not recognized a sovereign State of Kosovo.

Yes. Aware. The legal question is unilateral secession without the assent of the parent State. It's complicated legal question with competing concepts such as territorial integrity and the right to self-determination, that hasn't satisfactorily been resolved in customary international law. (Though Kosovo has been determined not to have violated international law with its declaration of independence). All of this, again, irrelevant to the discussion at hand. You seem to enjoy posting irrelevant arguments and changing to new ones to avoid arguing the substance of our discussion.

Also note that this is a significantly different legal question from the one between Israel and the not fully recognized State of Palestine, since this is not a question of unilateral secession (although it might be an interesting thought experiment to argue that position).

since the UN does not have sovereignty over Kosovo, but only administrative rights.

Bingo! That is EXACTLY what I have been saying. The UN does not have sovereignty over States and does not have authority to draw, or create borders, or force borders upon sovereign States. (It can use peacekeeping forces, but these are delineated by practical and military considerations).

The armistice line, Green Line was agreed upon by e.g. Egypt and Israel in 1949

Since when does Egypt get to choose Israel's borders? Or Palestine's? States don't get to create borders for other States. The 1949 Armistice was a temporary agreement to stop fighting. It was between Israel and Egypt, who not have a peace treaty. Nothing about the 1949 ADL is relevant any more. And it was never relevant with respect to any nascent State of Palestine.

 

[surada]

You just like to throw your shit lies at the wall and see if it sticks and maybe somebody is gullible enough to believe them, don’t you. So now that we established that the Ottomans invited the Jews to resettle back in their ancient ancestral and religious homeland over 700 years ago, your response is…”oh but they refused to sell land to them or establish a state about 100 years ago!” As if any empire in history did, ever, to any group of people it had conquered and under its control. Fucking ignorant dipshit.

I have posted the edicts several times. They knew nationalism causes bloodshed. No different than Hitler's insane ambitions for a pure German state. MAGA.

 

[Roudy]

I have posted the edicts several times. They knew nationalism causes bloodshed. No different than Hitler's insane ambitions for a pure German state. MAGA.

That really wasn’t a response, just more gibberish and irrelevant nonsense. Meanwhile, Israel stands a strong and vibrant democracy, while Gaza has been turned into rubble, of their own doing, and the West Bank is still run by a Hamas-light mini dictatorship.

 

[surada]

That really wasn’t a response, just more gibberish and irrelevant nonsense. Meanwhile, Israel stands a strong and vibrant democracy, while Gaza has been turned into rubble, of their own doing, and the West Bank is still run by a Hamas-light mini dictatorship.

The objective is to kill them all.

 

[luiza]

The objective is to kill them all.

Our alcoholic Trill Troll Raspberry is feeling the pain .

Or, as my pals refer to him --- the Trailer Trash .

 

[surada]

Our alcoholic Trill Troll Raspberry is feeling the pain .

Or, as my pals refer to him --- the Trailer Trash .

So that's what's wrong with him.

 

[Grau]

I do not believe any of your lies.

I've been able to support every fact I've stated.

Why are you in America except to shill for a treacherous and parasitic foreign government and extract more blood and money from loyal Americans?