The Republican Plan for Health Care Reform

What do you think of the GOP Plan?

  • It's ridiculous

    Votes: 1 11.1%
  • It's an improvement over Obamacare

    Votes: 1 11.1%
  • Keep government out of health care.

    Votes: 7 77.8%

  • Total voters
    9
  • Poll closed .
not fucking up something that was working better than it was under ACA

yeah, that is why the GOP approval rating sinks so low over time

First they bring down the approval rating of the GOP, then that of the Congress as a whole, then finally they reach their target: President Obama

How patheticly childish. Cutting off their collective nose to spite their collective face because Obama, the light-skinned black kid beat them not once, but twice.

Yeah, the steadily sinking approval rating of congress since 2007 has got be the fault of the party that has been in the minority for all but the last two years. Liberal logic, it's someone else's fault.
 
[MENTION=44516]LTCArmyRet[/MENTION]
yeah, that is why the GOP approval rating sinks so low over time

First they bring down the approval rating of the GOP, then that of the Congress as a whole, then finally they reach their target: President Obama

How patheticly childish. Cutting off their collective nose to spite their collective face because Obama, the light-skinned black kid beat them not once, but twice.

Yeah, the steadily sinking approval rating of congress since 2007 has got be the fault of the party that has been in the minority for all but the last two years. Liberal logic, it's someone else's fault.

If you believe a minority can't bring down a system of government you truly need to be institutionalized to protect you from yourself.

And btw, what happened in 2006 election?
 
"Americans want a step-by-step, common-sense approach to health care reform, not Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s costly, 1,990-page government takeover of our nation’s health care system. Republicans’ alternative solution focuses on lowering health care premiums for families and small businesses, increasing access to affordable, high-quality care, and promoting healthier lifestyles – without adding to the crushing debt Washington has placed on our children and grandchildren. Following are the key elements of Republicans’ alternative plan":

^^^ Preamble to the Republican Plan posted here:

http://camp.house.gov/uploadedfiles/summary_of_republican_alternative_health_care_plan.pdf

My take on it:

I wonder, how they plan to Lower health care premiums? Writing it is easy, do they plan to have the Congress pass price controls and direct private business to lower their fees? Or, provide insurance companies with subsidies, using our tax dollars?

Next, the plan is for Establishing Universal Access Programs to guarantee access to affordable care for those with pre-existing conditions. Well, in what form? Will the government establish such programs and run them, and if so isn't that "Socialism" in the broad sense used today? Or, will they require insurance companies - as in Obamacare - to provide insurance to those with already diagnosed serious illnesses (diabetes, cancer, heart disease) without the subsidies guaranteed by the PPACA?

Ending junk lawsuits. What is one man's junk is another's treasure. Seems to me this is a legal issue to be determined by the judiciary.

Prevents insurers from unjustly canceling a policy or instituting annual or lifetime spending caps. Why wasn't this passed by the Congress when GWB was President and the Republicans held the H. of Rep. majority and Sen. and Doctor Bill Frist was Senate Majority Leader? That said, isn't this a requirement in Obamacare?

Encouraging Small Business Health Plans, Easy to say, how easy will it be to 'encourage' owners of McDonald's Franchises to come together and provide health care to worker's already the lowest paid in the nation? What is a small business? 50 Employees? Or more or less.

Encouraging innovative state programs. Fine and dandy. How and in what form? What if Democratic Governors simply say F off to the Federal Government simply because the ideas came from the GOP?

Allowing Americans to buy insurance across state lines. Does the phrase "too big to fail" ring any bells?

Codifying the Hyde Amendment. Oh, goody. Politicize the entire 'plan' with red meat for the crowd who hope to overturn Roe v. Wade.

Promoting healthier lifestyles. LOL, sure, all those who hate Obama and complain about the "nanny state" are going to embrace the ideas of Bloomberg and his war against 64oz sodas.

Enhancing Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Have any of you looked at bill after someone, for example, has a serious leg break and needs surgery? Oh, and where will this saving account be stored, in the safe keeping of a Wall Street firm (for a fee no doubt) which may or is too big to fail. Dumb idea. People don't earn enough to save for retirement let alone for an accident or illness which may not occur.

Allowing dependents to remain on their parents’ policies. Gee, what a novel idea. Obamacare already includes this, yet the big change is to lop of one year. And to what effect: it gives the insurance industry another year of premiums from thousands of generally healthy 26 year olds.

This 'plan' is ridiculous. What do you think?

The ACA is the republican plan for healthcare reform.

But yes, this current ‘plan’ is indeed ridiculous.

As for ‘junk lawsuits,’ that’s a red herring:

Myth

Most medical malpractice lawsuits are frivolous.


On average, 97 percent of medical negligence claims have merit. Researchers at the Harvard School of Public Health examined over 1,400 closed medical negligence claims and found that 97 percent were meritorious. Of those 1,400 claims, 80 percent involved death or serious injury. The study concluded that “portraits of a malpractice system that is stricken with frivolous litigation are overblown.”

Facts and Myths About Medical Malpractice

And:

The best attempt to synthesize the academic literature on medical malpractice is Tom Baker's The Medical Malpractice Myth, published last November. Baker, a law professor at the University of Connecticut who studies insurance, argues that the hype about medical malpractice suits is "urban legend mixed with the occasional true story, supported by selective references to academic studies." After all, including legal fees, insurance costs, and payouts, the cost of the suits comes to less than one-half of 1 percent of health-care spending.

The medical malpractice myth.
The ‘junk lawsuit’ provision of the GOP healthcare ‘reform’ proposal is purely partisan, having no basis on facts or evidence whatsoever.
 
[MENTION=44516]LTCArmyRet[/MENTION]
First they bring down the approval rating of the GOP, then that of the Congress as a whole, then finally they reach their target: President Obama

How patheticly childish. Cutting off their collective nose to spite their collective face because Obama, the light-skinned black kid beat them not once, but twice.

Yeah, the steadily sinking approval rating of congress since 2007 has got be the fault of the party that has been in the minority for all but the last two years. Liberal logic, it's someone else's fault.

If you believe a minority can't bring down a system of government you truly need to be institutionalized to protect you from yourself.

And btw, what happened in 2006 election?


Are you saying they did bring down the government, or are you talking hypothectically? Do you honestly believe that Democrats bear no responsibility whatsoever for the steady decline in Congressional approval ratings?
 
[MENTION=44516]LTCArmyRet[/MENTION]
Yeah, the steadily sinking approval rating of congress since 2007 has got be the fault of the party that has been in the minority for all but the last two years. Liberal logic, it's someone else's fault.

If you believe a minority can't bring down a system of government you truly need to be institutionalized to protect you from yourself.

And btw, what happened in 2006 election?


Are you saying they did bring down the government, or are you talking hypothectically? Do you honestly believe that Democrats bear no responsibility whatsoever for the steady decline in Congressional approval ratings?

Both parties are taking heat for the most incompetent, partisan and radical Congress in our history. The blame, if one wants to focus on one individual would go to Newt Gingrich, the architect of who took deliberation out of the legislative process and made it into a competition where winning was the most important outcome.
 
[MENTION=44516]LTCArmyRet[/MENTION]


If you believe a minority can't bring down a system of government you truly need to be institutionalized to protect you from yourself.

And btw, what happened in 2006 election?


Are you saying they did bring down the government, or are you talking hypothectically? Do you honestly believe that Democrats bear no responsibility whatsoever for the steady decline in Congressional approval ratings?

Both parties are taking heat for the most incompetent, partisan and radical Congress in our history. The blame, if one wants to focus on one individual would go to Newt Gingrich, the architect of who took deliberation out of the legislative process and made it into a competition where winning was the most important outcome.

Agreed, Dante is an imbecile and just refused to dialogue any more after I pointed out a flaw in his line of thinking.
 

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