The Republican Plan for Health Care Reform

[Procrustes Stretched]

snore zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, where were they when they held the Congress and the White House?

not fucking up something that was working better than it was under ACA

yeah, that is why the GOP approval rating sinks so low over time

 

[CrusaderFrank]

How Not to fix healthcare

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbpWonUzlrc]Obama Gaffe - YouTube[/ame]

I knew it was going to be a disaster right after this

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Let's focus on Obama just kicked a group of US Citizens equal to the population of Norway off their insurance

He's still President, what is he going to do about the Failure of ObamaCare?

Republicans can and have proposed a whole host of changes, what will Reid and Obama support?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

ObamaCare just cancelled the insurance of US Citizens equal to the entire state of Colorado

What the fuck is he going to do about it?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Frank, the people will get health care, unlike the population equivalent to Great Britain who were denied affordable, accessible quality care before ACA.

You can't disprove the above.

 

[Wry Catcher]

The thread posted the Republican alternative to Obamacare, something anyone with reading comprehension understood. I simply pointed out how ridiculous their 'plan' was; sadly, and as usual, it went way over the head of poor Stephanie.

Instead of reading the R plan, and my critique, she chose to go all MichelleBachmann.

Actually, it didn't do any such thing. What you posted was a one page outline for of the reforms that Republicans proposed when the debate about Obamacare started. (The proof of that is the reference to the 1,990 bill proposed by Pelosi. You know the one I am talking about, the one that didn't pass?) Anyone with the reading comprehension I exhibited in 5th grade would know that without me explaining it, which is why I didn't respond to your fake thread.

The source of the Republican Plan was posted by someone on your side of the aisle; I have no idea when it was promulgated. You always assume and then go all negative, act with self righteous indignation and go all asshole. Maybe some day you'll grow up. Maybe.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

No, the old plan was not working better for 20% of Americans, more than 60 million.

I am glad my GOP is now involved in making ACA better.

Jake, if your ObamaCAre is so wonderful why did the 5MM who lost their insurance because of it not sign up?

 

[JakeStarkey]

No, the old plan was not working better for 20% of Americans, more than 60 million.

I am glad my GOP is now involved in making ACA better.

Jake, if your ObamaCAre is so wonderful why did the 5MM who lost their insurance because of it not sign up?

They have time to do it before it elapses.

And, by omission, you don't want to talk about the 60 million. Very wise of you.

 

[MeBelle]

*Lowering health care premiums.

*Ending junk lawsuits.

*Allowing Americans to buy insurance across state lines.

*Enhancing Health Savings Accounts (HSAs).

All great ideas!!

Enhancing Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Have any of you looked at bill after someone, for example, has a serious leg break and needs surgery? Oh, and where will this saving account be stored, in the safe keeping of a Wall Street firm (for a fee no doubt) which may or is too big to fail. Dumb idea. People don't earn enough to save for retirement let alone for an accident or illness which may not occur.

^^^proof that Wry Catcher has no idea what an HSA is^^^

Health Care - GOP.gov

Personally I prefer Flex plans.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Let the two parties work together.

The TPM would not permit that, so it is time to crush the TPM.

 

[Wry Catcher]

*Lowering health care premiums.

*Ending junk lawsuits.

*Allowing Americans to buy insurance across state lines.

*Enhancing Health Savings Accounts (HSAs).

All great ideas!!

Enhancing Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Have any of you looked at bill after someone, for example, has a serious leg break and needs surgery? Oh, and where will this saving account be stored, in the safe keeping of a Wall Street firm (for a fee no doubt) which may or is too big to fail. Dumb idea. People don't earn enough to save for retirement let alone for an accident or illness which may not occur.

^^^proof that Wry Catcher has no idea what an HSA is^^^

Health Care - GOP.gov

Personally I prefer Flex plans.

Q. What is a HSA?

A. Health Savings Accounts (HSAs) were created in 2003 so that individuals covered by high-deductible health plans could receive tax-preferred treatment of money saved for medical expenses. Generally, an adult who is covered by a high-deductible health plan (and has no other first-dollar coverage) may establish an HSA.

I'm sure such an idea will help the millions who can't afford health insurance, aren't you MeBelle.

 

[LTCArmyRet]

snore zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, where were they when they held the Congress and the White House?

not fucking up something that was working better than it was under ACA

yeah, that is why the GOP approval rating sinks so low over time

ratings don't mean shit, DEM had good ratings when they voted this in, didn't stop it from fucking up the system, did it? just shows how ignorant many Americans are of what is really happening in their country.

 

[LTCArmyRet]

Frank, the people will get health care, unlike the population equivalent to Great Britain who were denied affordable, accessible quality care before ACA.

You can't disprove the above.

And you can't prove they were denied.

 

[Trajan]

"Americans want a step-by-step, common-sense approach to health care reform, not Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s costly, 1,990-page government takeover of our nation’s health care system. Republicans’ alternative solution focuses on lowering health care premiums for families and small businesses, increasing access to affordable, high-quality care, and promoting healthier lifestyles – without adding to the crushing debt Washington has placed on our children and grandchildren. Following are the key elements of Republicans’ alternative plan":

^^^ Preamble to the Republican Plan posted here:

http://camp.house.gov/uploadedfiles/summary_of_republican_alternative_health_care_plan.pdf

My take on it:

I wonder, how they plan to Lower health care premiums? Writing it is easy, do they plan to have the Congress pass price controls and direct private business to lower their fees? Or, provide insurance companies with subsidies, using our tax dollars?

Next, the plan is for Establishing Universal Access Programs to guarantee access to affordable care for those with pre-existing conditions. Well, in what form? Will the government establish such programs and run them, and if so isn't that "Socialism" in the broad sense used today? Or, will they require insurance companies - as in Obamacare - to provide insurance to those with already diagnosed serious illnesses (diabetes, cancer, heart disease) without the subsidies guaranteed by the PPACA?

Ending junk lawsuits. What is one man's junk is another's treasure. Seems to me this is a legal issue to be determined by the judiciary.

Prevents insurers from unjustly canceling a policy or instituting annual or lifetime spending caps. Why wasn't this passed by the Congress when GWB was President and the Republicans held the H. of Rep. majority and Sen. and Doctor Bill Frist was Senate Majority Leader? That said, isn't this a requirement in Obamacare?

Encouraging Small Business Health Plans, Easy to say, how easy will it be to 'encourage' owners of McDonald's Franchises to come together and provide health care to worker's already the lowest paid in the nation? What is a small business? 50 Employees? Or more or less.

Encouraging innovative state programs. Fine and dandy. How and in what form? What if Democratic Governors simply say F off to the Federal Government simply because the ideas came from the GOP?

Allowing Americans to buy insurance across state lines. Does the phrase "too big to fail" ring any bells?

Codifying the Hyde Amendment. Oh, goody. Politicize the entire 'plan' with red meat for the crowd who hope to overturn Roe v. Wade.

Promoting healthier lifestyles. LOL, sure, all those who hate Obama and complain about the "nanny state" are going to embrace the ideas of Bloomberg and his war against 64oz sodas.

Enhancing Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Have any of you looked at bill after someone, for example, has a serious leg break and needs surgery? Oh, and where will this saving account be stored, in the safe keeping of a Wall Street firm (for a fee no doubt) which may or is too big to fail. Dumb idea. People don't earn enough to save for retirement let alone for an accident or illness which may not occur.

Allowing dependents to remain on their parents’ policies. Gee, what a novel idea. Obamacare already includes this, yet the big change is to lop of one year. And to what effect: it gives the insurance industry another year of premiums from thousands of generally healthy 26 year olds.

This 'plan' is ridiculous. What do you think?

Defcon 1 for Mr. Irony.....

 

[Trajan]

*Lowering health care premiums.

*Ending junk lawsuits.

*Allowing Americans to buy insurance across state lines.

*Enhancing Health Savings Accounts (HSAs).

All great ideas!!

Enhancing Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Have any of you looked at bill after someone, for example, has a serious leg break and needs surgery? Oh, and where will this saving account be stored, in the safe keeping of a Wall Street firm (for a fee no doubt) which may or is too big to fail. Dumb idea. People don't earn enough to save for retirement let alone for an accident or illness which may not occur.

^^^proof that Wry Catcher has no idea what an HSA is^^^

Health Care - GOP.gov

Personally I prefer Flex plans.

Q. What is a HSA?

A. Health Savings Accounts (HSAs) were created in 2003 so that individuals covered by high-deductible health plans could receive tax-preferred treatment of money saved for medical expenses. Generally, an adult who is covered by a high-deductible health plan (and has no other first-dollar coverage) may establish an HSA.

I'm sure such an idea will help the millions who can't afford health insurance, aren't you MeBelle.

thats not what her critique was , its the fact that you don't know what an HSA is, have a heaping helping of irony and smoke another bowl.

 

[LTCArmyRet]

No, the old plan was not working better for 20% of Americans, more than 60 million.

I am glad my GOP is now involved in making ACA better.

Jake, if your ObamaCAre is so wonderful why did the 5MM who lost their insurance because of it not sign up?

They have time to do it before it elapses.

And, by omission, you don't want to talk about the 60 million. Very wise of you.

You keep saying 60 million, where are you getting this? The dumbocrat party line before ACA was around 40 million, which was proven to be a falsehood as it included those people in the country illegally, around 13 million.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

snore zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, where were they when they held the Congress and the White House?

not fucking up something that was working better than it was under ACA

yeah, that is why the GOP approval rating sinks so low over time

The funny thing is that the same people who hate Republicans trust them more than they do Obama on health care.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The thread posted the Republican alternative to Obamacare, something anyone with reading comprehension understood. I simply pointed out how ridiculous their 'plan' was; sadly, and as usual, it went way over the head of poor Stephanie.

Instead of reading the R plan, and my critique, she chose to go all MichelleBachmann.

Actually, it didn't do any such thing. What you posted was a one page outline for of the reforms that Republicans proposed when the debate about Obamacare started. (The proof of that is the reference to the 1,990 bill proposed by Pelosi. You know the one I am talking about, the one that didn't pass?) Anyone with the reading comprehension I exhibited in 5th grade would know that without me explaining it, which is why I didn't respond to your fake thread.

The source of the Republican Plan was posted by someone on your side of the aisle; I have no idea when it was promulgated. You always assume and then go all negative, act with self righteous indignation and go all asshole. Maybe some day you'll grow up. Maybe.

My side of the aisle is to get the government completely out of fixing things. Want to try again?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Jake, if your ObamaCAre is so wonderful why did the 5MM who lost their insurance because of it not sign up?

They have time to do it before it elapses.

And, by omission, you don't want to talk about the 60 million. Very wise of you.

You keep saying 60 million, where are you getting this? The dumbocrat party line before ACA was around 40 million, which was proven to be a falsehood as it included those people in the country illegally, around 13 million.

No falsehood was proven at all: mere unsupportable allegation.

I will be generous: I will accept the 40mm.

So your argumentation has grown from 5mm to 40mm, and everybody will have the opportunity to be covered.

Why are you arguing mechanics when I thought you were against the principle?

 

[Wry Catcher]

*Lowering health care premiums.

*Ending junk lawsuits.

*Allowing Americans to buy insurance across state lines.

*Enhancing Health Savings Accounts (HSAs).

All great ideas!!





^^^proof that Wry Catcher has no idea what an HSA is^^^

Health Care - GOP.gov

Personally I prefer Flex plans.

Q. What is a HSA?

A. Health Savings Accounts (HSAs) were created in 2003 so that individuals covered by high-deductible health plans could receive tax-preferred treatment of money saved for medical expenses. Generally, an adult who is covered by a high-deductible health plan (and has no other first-dollar coverage) may establish an HSA.

I'm sure such an idea will help the millions who can't afford health insurance, aren't you MeBelle.

thats not what her critique was , its the fact that you don't know what an HSA is, have a heaping helping of irony and smoke another bowl.

You're a liar (or can't read). First sentence from her was this: ^^^proof that Wry Catcher has no idea what an HSA is^^^

You're also a jerk. If HSA were in effect since 2003 why are their so many whining about losing their crap policies now? Wouldn't they have health savings accounts capable of paying for surgery and a week or more in the hospital?