The Root of The Constitution: The Magna Carta Turns 800 on June 15h

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Daniel Hannan has a lovely piece in the WSJ (worth reading in full if one has a paid subscription).

Given the executive overreach of our current President, this is a timely reminder that the basic principle of our government is to protect the Rights of the Indvidiual (especially in regards to PROPERTY), and not to sanction the Will of the Mob or the Whim of the Prince.

Long excerpt:

...The very success of Magna Carta makes it hard for us, 800 years on, to see how utterly revolutionary it must have appeared at the time. Magna Carta did not create democracy: Ancient Greeks had been casting differently colored pebbles into voting urns while the remote fathers of the English were grubbing about alongside pigs in the cold soil of northern Germany. Nor was it the first expression of the law: There were Sumerian and Egyptian law codes even before Moses descended from Sinai.

What Magna Carta initiated, rather, was constitutional government—or, as the terse inscription on the American Bar Association’s stone puts it, “freedom under law.”

It takes a real act of imagination to see how transformative this concept must have been. The law was no longer just an expression of the will of the biggest guy in the tribe. Above the king brooded something more powerful yet—something you couldn’t see or hear or touch or taste but that bound the sovereign as surely as it bound the poorest wretch in the kingdom. That something was what Magna Carta called “the law of the land.”

This phrase is commonplace in our language. But think of what it represents. The law is not determined by the people in government, nor yet by clergymen presuming to interpret a holy book. Rather, it is immanent in the land itself, the common inheritance of the people living there.

The idea of the law coming up from the people, rather than down from the government, is a peculiar feature of the Anglosphere. Common law is an anomaly, a beautiful, miraculous anomaly. In the rest of the world, laws are written down from first principles and then applied to specific disputes, but the common law grows like a coral, case by case, each judgment serving as the starting point for the next dispute. In consequence, it is an ally of freedom rather than an instrument of state control. It implicitly assumes residual rights.

And indeed, Magna Carta conceives rights in negative terms, as guarantees against state coercion. No one can put you in prison or seize your property or mistreat you other than by due process. This essentially negative conception of freedom is worth clinging to in an age that likes to redefine rights as entitlements—the right to affordable health care, the right to be forgotten and so on.

It is worth stressing, too, that Magna Carta conceived freedom and property as two expressions of the same principle. The whole document can be read as a lengthy promise that the goods of a free citizen will not be arbitrarily confiscated by someone higher up the social scale. Even the clauses that seem most remote from modern experience generally turn out, in reality, to be about security of ownership.

There are, for example, detailed passages about wardship. King John had been in the habit of marrying heiresses to royal favorites as a way to get his hands on their estates. The abstruse-sounding articles about inheritance rights are, in reality, simply one more expression of the general principle that the state may not expropriate without due process.

Those who stand awe-struck before the Great Charter expecting to find high-flown phrases about liberty are often surprised to see that a chunk of it is taken up with the placing of fish-traps on the Thames. Yet these passages, too, are about property, specifically the freedom of merchants to navigate inland waterways without having arbitrary tolls imposed on them by fish farmers.

Liberty and property: how naturally those words tripped, as a unitary concept, from the tongues of America’s Founders. These were men who had been shaped in the English tradition, and they saw parliamentary government not as an expression of majority rule but as a guarantor of individual freedom. How different was the Continental tradition, born 13 years later with the French Revolution, which saw elected assemblies as the embodiment of what Rousseau called the “general will” of the people.

In that difference, we may perhaps discern explanation of why the Anglosphere resisted the chronic bouts of authoritarianism to which most other Western countries were prone. We who speak this language have always seen the defense of freedom as the duty of our representatives and so, by implication, of those who elect them. Liberty and democracy, in our tradition, are not balanced against each other; they are yoked together.

In February, the four surviving original copies of Magna Carta were united, for just a few hours, at the British Library—something that had not happened in 800 years. As I stood reverentially before them, someone recognized me and posted a photograph on Twitter with the caption: “If Dan Hannan gets his hands on all four copies of Magna Carta, will he be like Sauron with the Rings?”

Yet the majesty of the document resides in the fact that it is, so to speak, a shield against Saurons. Most other countries have fallen for, or at least fallen to, dictators. Many, during the 20th century, had popular communist parties or fascist parties or both. The Anglosphere, unusually, retained a consensus behind liberal capitalism.

This is not because of any special property in our geography or our genes but because of our constitutional arrangements. Those constitutional arrangements can take root anywhere. They explain why Bermuda is not Haiti, why Hong Kong is not China, why Israel is not Syria.

They work because, starting with Magna Carta, they have made the defense of freedom everyone’s responsibility. Americans, like Britons, have inherited their freedoms from past generations and should not look to any external agent for their perpetuation. The defense of liberty is your job and mine. It is up to us to keep intact the freedoms we inherited from our parents and to pass them on securely to our children....



Magna Carta Eight Centuries of Liberty - WSJ
 
Leave it to MG to post a completely insipid comment that contributes nothing of value.
 
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The King was not going to give any time to the Lords demands...Look at the History of England's treatment of it monarch's if reform is not given....The English have a history of violence and rebellion if not given what the middle class wants..
 
Daniel Hannan has a lovely piece in the WSJ (worth reading in full if one has a paid subscription).

Given the executive overreach of our current President, this is a timely reminder that the basic principle of our government is to protect the Rights of the Indvidiual (especially in regards to PROPERTY), and not to sanction the Will of the Mob or the Whim of the Prince.

Long excerpt:

...The very success of Magna Carta makes it hard for us, 800 years on, to see how utterly revolutionary it must have appeared at the time. Magna Carta did not create democracy: Ancient Greeks had been casting differently colored pebbles into voting urns while the remote fathers of the English were grubbing about alongside pigs in the cold soil of northern Germany. Nor was it the first expression of the law: There were Sumerian and Egyptian law codes even before Moses descended from Sinai.

What Magna Carta initiated, rather, was constitutional government—or, as the terse inscription on the American Bar Association’s stone puts it, “freedom under law.”

It takes a real act of imagination to see how transformative this concept must have been. The law was no longer just an expression of the will of the biggest guy in the tribe. Above the king brooded something more powerful yet—something you couldn’t see or hear or touch or taste but that bound the sovereign as surely as it bound the poorest wretch in the kingdom. That something was what Magna Carta called “the law of the land.”

This phrase is commonplace in our language. But think of what it represents. The law is not determined by the people in government, nor yet by clergymen presuming to interpret a holy book. Rather, it is immanent in the land itself, the common inheritance of the people living there.

The idea of the law coming up from the people, rather than down from the government, is a peculiar feature of the Anglosphere. Common law is an anomaly, a beautiful, miraculous anomaly. In the rest of the world, laws are written down from first principles and then applied to specific disputes, but the common law grows like a coral, case by case, each judgment serving as the starting point for the next dispute. In consequence, it is an ally of freedom rather than an instrument of state control. It implicitly assumes residual rights.

And indeed, Magna Carta conceives rights in negative terms, as guarantees against state coercion. No one can put you in prison or seize your property or mistreat you other than by due process. This essentially negative conception of freedom is worth clinging to in an age that likes to redefine rights as entitlements—the right to affordable health care, the right to be forgotten and so on.

It is worth stressing, too, that Magna Carta conceived freedom and property as two expressions of the same principle. The whole document can be read as a lengthy promise that the goods of a free citizen will not be arbitrarily confiscated by someone higher up the social scale. Even the clauses that seem most remote from modern experience generally turn out, in reality, to be about security of ownership.

There are, for example, detailed passages about wardship. King John had been in the habit of marrying heiresses to royal favorites as a way to get his hands on their estates. The abstruse-sounding articles about inheritance rights are, in reality, simply one more expression of the general principle that the state may not expropriate without due process.

Those who stand awe-struck before the Great Charter expecting to find high-flown phrases about liberty are often surprised to see that a chunk of it is taken up with the placing of fish-traps on the Thames. Yet these passages, too, are about property, specifically the freedom of merchants to navigate inland waterways without having arbitrary tolls imposed on them by fish farmers.

Liberty and property: how naturally those words tripped, as a unitary concept, from the tongues of America’s Founders. These were men who had been shaped in the English tradition, and they saw parliamentary government not as an expression of majority rule but as a guarantor of individual freedom. How different was the Continental tradition, born 13 years later with the French Revolution, which saw elected assemblies as the embodiment of what Rousseau called the “general will” of the people.

In that difference, we may perhaps discern explanation of why the Anglosphere resisted the chronic bouts of authoritarianism to which most other Western countries were prone. We who speak this language have always seen the defense of freedom as the duty of our representatives and so, by implication, of those who elect them. Liberty and democracy, in our tradition, are not balanced against each other; they are yoked together.

In February, the four surviving original copies of Magna Carta were united, for just a few hours, at the British Library—something that had not happened in 800 years. As I stood reverentially before them, someone recognized me and posted a photograph on Twitter with the caption: “If Dan Hannan gets his hands on all four copies of Magna Carta, will he be like Sauron with the Rings?”

Yet the majesty of the document resides in the fact that it is, so to speak, a shield against Saurons. Most other countries have fallen for, or at least fallen to, dictators. Many, during the 20th century, had popular communist parties or fascist parties or both. The Anglosphere, unusually, retained a consensus behind liberal capitalism.

This is not because of any special property in our geography or our genes but because of our constitutional arrangements. Those constitutional arrangements can take root anywhere. They explain why Bermuda is not Haiti, why Hong Kong is not China, why Israel is not Syria.

They work because, starting with Magna Carta, they have made the defense of freedom everyone’s responsibility. Americans, like Britons, have inherited their freedoms from past generations and should not look to any external agent for their perpetuation. The defense of liberty is your job and mine. It is up to us to keep intact the freedoms we inherited from our parents and to pass them on securely to our children....



Magna Carta Eight Centuries of Liberty - WSJ


Gee.... the idea that even a KING had to abide by the rules! Wonder what happened to that concept? Oh, that's right....Obama came along with his pen and his cell phone...
 
In the minds of the Americans, English common law complemented Enlightenment rationalism as an authority, a charter of principles, and a legitimizing framework of the lessons of history, constitutional and national history that helped to explain the present.

And, drafted "in the presence of God, and for the salvation of our soul," the Great Charter, alongside covenant theology - an American Protestantism as shaped by the flood of Christians flocking in during the Puritan and Great migrations - was a charter of justice, equality, and rights.

Anglos in the motherland and in the New World built civilizations based on reason and experience. And both became empires (of sorts).

And then came Progressivism . . .
 
In the minds of the Americans, English common law complemented Enlightenment rationalism as an authority, a charter of principles, and a legitimizing framework of the lessons of history, constitutional and national history that helped to explain the present.

And, drafted "in the presence of God, and for the salvation of our soul," the Great Charter, alongside covenant theology - an American Protestantism as shaped by the flood of Christians flocking in during the Puritan and Great migrations - was a charter of justice, equality, and rights.

Anglos in the motherland and in the New World built civilizations based on reason and experience. And both became empires (of sorts).

And then came Progressivism . . .
In what year did the Progressives appear?
 
The "great charter" wasn't worth the vellum it was printed on and was revoked within a couple of years. It was merely a fleeting idea that never took root for 500 years of tyrannical monarchs until the U.S. Constitution changed the world.
 
The "great charter" wasn't worth the vellum it was printed on and was revoked within a couple of years. It was merely a fleeting idea that never took root for 500 years of tyrannical monarchs until the U.S. Constitution changed the world.


Condolences on your lack of appreciation for historical importance.
 
In the minds of the Americans, English common law complemented Enlightenment rationalism as an authority, a charter of principles, and a legitimizing framework of the lessons of history, constitutional and national history that helped to explain the present.

And, drafted "in the presence of God, and for the salvation of our soul," the Great Charter, alongside covenant theology - an American Protestantism as shaped by the flood of Christians flocking in during the Puritan and Great migrations - was a charter of justice, equality, and rights.

Anglos in the motherland and in the New World built civilizations based on reason and experience. And both became empires (of sorts).

And then came Progressivism . . .
In what year did the Progressives appear?


Woodrow Wilson and Margaret Sanger. The woman who inspired Eugenics and founded the abortion mill Planned Parenthood and the idiot Wilson - who longed for slavery
 
The Magna Carta had nothing to do with independence and freedom. It was a series of petty little treaties between the monarchy and the Pope. Briton had no desire for self government in the 12th century anymore than they did when Cromwell beheaded King Chuck in the 1600's.
 
The Magna Carta had nothing to do with independence and freedom. It was a series of petty little treaties between the monarchy and the Pope. Briton had no desire for self government in the 12th century anymore than they did when Cromwell beheaded King Chuck in the 1600's.


You're wrong...and persistently so.

If you think so little of the Magna Carta, I'm sure you'd find more pleasure in fixating on Dennis Hastert or Sarah Palin.

Toddle on!
 
"Given the executive overreach of our current President"

Given this and other lies contrived by you and others on the right, in addition to conservative hostility toward the Constitution and its case law, few on the right are in any position to extol the virtues of the rule of law.

It also comes as no surprise that a rightist would attempt to make partisan a subject that's above partisanism.
 
In the minds of the Americans, English common law complemented Enlightenment rationalism as an authority, a charter of principles, and a legitimizing framework of the lessons of history, constitutional and national history that helped to explain the present.

And, drafted "in the presence of God, and for the salvation of our soul," the Great Charter, alongside covenant theology - an American Protestantism as shaped by the flood of Christians flocking in during the Puritan and Great migrations - was a charter of justice, equality, and rights.

Anglos in the motherland and in the New World built civilizations based on reason and experience. And both became empires (of sorts).

And then came Progressivism . . .
In what year did the Progressives appear?


Woodrow Wilson and Margaret Sanger. The woman who inspired Eugenics and founded the abortion mill Planned Parenthood and the idiot Wilson - who longed for slavery
If I'm not mistaken, the Progressive Era began when Teddy Roosevelt was president. That was when it infiltrated the federal government.
 
The Magna Carta had nothing to do with independence and freedom. It was a series of petty little treaties between the monarchy and the Pope. Briton had no desire for self government in the 12th century anymore than they did when Cromwell beheaded King Chuck in the 1600's.
The Magna Carta is a thirteenth-century document, and though admittedly amended numerous times, is still statute. And it inspired much of our Constitution.
 
Lincoln and the abolitionist were progressives....

Go away you Banal Blithering Boobie.
pro·gres·sive
prəˈɡresiv/
adjective
  1. 1.
    happening or developing gradually or in stages; proceeding step by step.
    "a progressive decline in popularity"
    synonyms: continuing, continuous, increasing, growing, developing, ongoing,accelerating, escalating; More





  2. 2.
    (of a group, person, or idea) favoring or implementing social reform or new, liberal ideas.
    "a relatively progressive governor"



noun
  1. 1.
    a person advocating or implementing social reform or new, liberal ideas.
    synonyms: innovator, reformer, reformist, liberal, libertarian
    "he is very much a progressive"
  2. 2.
    GRAMMAR
    a progressive tense or aspect.
    "the present progressive"
Now that you know the meaning of progressive, Eat it chumps for your poor portrayal of what and when progressives appeared in American society....
 

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