The Volcker Rule Is A Great Rule!

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The powerful people in America that run on irresponsible greed and who are the types that played a big part in bringing the world the 2008/2009 Great Recession are back at it again with their effort to water down if not eliminate the "Volcker" Rule from the Dodd-Frank legislation. These people seem to not only have their tenticles into the elected officials in Washington but also in the media. What is really interesting in the media since the Trump administration took over from the Obama administration the media doesn't even like to be clear about the good role the Volcker rule plays. Today, the media will say things like the Volcker rule bars banks from trading unless on their customers behalf. The media needs to stop clouding the issue because clouding it will help these people destroy the protections this provision of the law provides. The Volcker rule prohibits banks from making speculative investments, it's a great law that should not be repealed or rolled back because overall it protects our banking industry which is a tremendous asset of America.



The Volcker rule has many good ramifications one being that it would restrict banks from creating these big bond portfolios that the America people saw in 2008 and 2009 the banks possess so that when the real estate market tanked many of these bonds lost a huge portion of their value harming the capital status of these banks causing the stock value of these banks to fall precipitously and putting the survival of many of these banks in jeopardy. The Volcker rule obviously restricts banks from building up a large portfolio of investments in non-bank entities ownership in a multitude of different types of businesses that private equity and hedge funds could offer as well as their own investment pursuits could provide; this is good for the U.S. economy because it provides stability in the economy and protects the economy because the nature of banks work is risky they loan money they provide hedge protections of varied types and it is foreseeable that individual and groups of banks could get into financial trouble where situations in the economy and their risk status cause them losses and such losses could rise to the level where they would have to firesale and/or massively and quickly make financial cuts in the businesses they own and if these banks owned huge business portfolio because the Volcker rule wasn't in effect it could cause very harmful wakes throughout the U.S. economy. Plus these speculative investment could lose value themselves and thereby hurt the capital cushion of the owning bank which could have serious consequences on the banking activity of the owning bank.



No doubt the Volcker rule presents challenges in implementing and good ancillary rules need to be developed they have been and the work needs to be finished and fine tuned. Don't throw out this great protection because sometimes it is hard to implement. Most noteworthy the Volcker rule rightly allows banks to hedge their risk and the rules allowing this should be written and enforced with an emphasis of allowing banks to do what they classify as hedging government officials and elected officials need to remember the good principle behind the rule is that the American people want to protect the economy against instability caused by bank speculative activity those in authority shouldn't worry about limited amounts of bank activity that may cross over into speculative activity this type of activity isn't going to put the economy at significant risk people in authority shouldn't be doing anything close to splitting hairs because that just plays into the hands of people that want to repeal the law and return America to a casino capitalism environment. To this end, I think one of the tussles between banks and regulators is how large to let banks grow their bond and stock portfolios and the like. Banks legitimately acquire these securities through market making activity and through offerings, etc.. I am not a banking expert so I don't know the specific solution but in accord with the principle that splitting hairs is not the objective the objective is to protect banks stability put in jeopardy by speculative investing certainly reasonable standards on turnover of such securities and limits on how much of a banks capital is permitted tied up with the ownership of these securities would uphold this principle. Many significant changes need to be made about Dodd-Frank the law over did it but not in the area of the Volcker rule this rule was and is great public policy!
 
The powerful people in America that run on irresponsible greed and who are the types that played a big part in bringing the world the 2008/2009 Great Recession are back at it again with their effort to water down if not eliminate the "Volcker" Rule from the Dodd-Frank legislation. These people seem to not only have their tenticles into the elected officials in Washington but also in the media. What is really interesting in the media since the Trump administration took over from the Obama administration the media doesn't even like to be clear about the good role the Volcker rule plays. Today, the media will say things like the Volcker rule bars banks from trading unless on their customers behalf. The media needs to stop clouding the issue because clouding it will help these people destroy the protections this provision of the law provides. The Volcker rule prohibits banks from making speculative investments, it's a great law that should not be repealed or rolled back because overall it protects our banking industry which is a tremendous asset of America.



The Volcker rule has many good ramifications one being that it would restrict banks from creating these big bond portfolios that the America people saw in 2008 and 2009 the banks possess so that when the real estate market tanked many of these bonds lost a huge portion of their value harming the capital status of these banks causing the stock value of these banks to fall precipitously and putting the survival of many of these banks in jeopardy. The Volcker rule obviously restricts banks from building up a large portfolio of investments in non-bank entities ownership in a multitude of different types of businesses that private equity and hedge funds could offer as well as their own investment pursuits could provide; this is good for the U.S. economy because it provides stability in the economy and protects the economy because the nature of banks work is risky they loan money they provide hedge protections of varied types and it is foreseeable that individual and groups of banks could get into financial trouble where situations in the economy and their risk status cause them losses and such losses could rise to the level where they would have to firesale and/or massively and quickly make financial cuts in the businesses they own and if these banks owned huge business portfolio because the Volcker rule wasn't in effect it could cause very harmful wakes throughout the U.S. economy. Plus these speculative investment could lose value themselves and thereby hurt the capital cushion of the owning bank which could have serious consequences on the banking activity of the owning bank.



No doubt the Volcker rule presents challenges in implementing and good ancillary rules need to be developed they have been and the work needs to be finished and fine tuned. Don't throw out this great protection because sometimes it is hard to implement. Most noteworthy the Volcker rule rightly allows banks to hedge their risk and the rules allowing this should be written and enforced with an emphasis of allowing banks to do what they classify as hedging government officials and elected officials need to remember the good principle behind the rule is that the American people want to protect the economy against instability caused by bank speculative activity those in authority shouldn't worry about limited amounts of bank activity that may cross over into speculative activity this type of activity isn't going to put the economy at significant risk people in authority shouldn't be doing anything close to splitting hairs because that just plays into the hands of people that want to repeal the law and return America to a casino capitalism environment. To this end, I think one of the tussles between banks and regulators is how large to let banks grow their bond and stock portfolios and the like. Banks legitimately acquire these securities through market making activity and through offerings, etc.. I am not a banking expert so I don't know the specific solution but in accord with the principle that splitting hairs is not the objective the objective is to protect banks stability put in jeopardy by speculative investing certainly reasonable standards on turnover of such securities and limits on how much of a banks capital is permitted tied up with the ownership of these securities would uphold this principle. Many significant changes need to be made about Dodd-Frank the law over did it but not in the area of the Volcker rule this rule was and is great public policy!

The Volcker rule prohibits banks from making speculative investments,


Which non-speculative investments are still allowed?
 
OP, I agree. It is immoral to provide a tax-payer funded financial backstop to casinos.

The media cares about nothing but Trump and our elected boot-lickers are back at the bank's feet.
 
OP, I agree. It is immoral to provide a tax-payer funded financial backstop to casinos.

The media cares about nothing but Trump and our elected boot-lickers are back at the bank's feet.
What backstop? A lot of major banks went bankrupt?
Volker rule would not have prevented 2007 crisis

1. The Volcker Rule covers way more banks than it was intended to, imposing unnecessary costs on community banks which don’t do speculative trading.

2. It appears to have frightened banks out of making markets in key sectors of financial markets such as corporate bonds. This makes it more expensive for companies to raise money through the bond market (a point made at length and repeatedly by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce).

3. It’s impossible to enforce legally, inasmuch as it requires supervisors to guess what was going through bankers’ minds when they made particular trades—was it legitimate market-making? Or was it speculation?
 
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We bailed out the banks, that backstop. A government bailout should be punitive. Me, I'm for nationalization. I think the government should take over, repair and profit from failed banks. That's the sort of backstop we need to reduce the casino like speculative tendencies of finance. Either that or rip them apart and mandate that no one is too big to fail. Or we do it all again, but bigger this time.
 
We bailed out the banks, that backstop. A government bailout should be punitive. Me, I'm for nationalization. I think the government should take over, repair and profit from failed banks. That's the sort of backstop we need to reduce the casino like speculative tendencies of finance. Either that or rip them apart and mandate that no one is too big to fail. Or we do it all again, but bigger this time.
1)Should welfare bail outs of individuals be punitive toO?
2) Elizabeth warren is going to manage a failed bank and make a profit for the govt which it will waste on more crippling welfare????
3) we loaned money to banks some of whom needed it. They all paid money back. Are you against all loans??0r just loans that prevent depressions.??
4) and of course many banks did go bankrupt and many that isurvive were bought out for pennies on the dollar and shareholders wiped out.
 
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We bailed out the banks, that backstop. A government bailout should be punitive. Me, I'm for nationalization. I think the government should take over, repair and profit from failed banks. That's the sort of backstop we need to reduce the casino like speculative tendencies of finance. Either that or rip them apart and mandate that no one is too big to fail. Or we do it all again, but bigger this time.

A government bailout should be punitive.

The government made more than $100 billion from the bailout.

Me, I'm for nationalization.

Yeah, because the government knows how to run things. LOL!

I think the government should take over, repair and profit from failed banks.

How about repair and profit? Leave out the take over.

That's the sort of backstop we need to reduce the casino like speculative tendencies of finance.


Why? The problem was mortgages. Banks have always held mortgages.

Either that or rip them apart and mandate that no one is too big to fail.

Losing 10, $100 billion banks is no better than losing 2, $500 billion banks.
 
Think how many trillions this casino collapse cost us, it should have cost the banks $1T and managed better it could have. (Acknowledgement: the govt has no history of running anything well so this is my fantasy to get us out of the too big to fail problem).

Todd, your questions show a naivety about banks and banking.

And, Yes Ed, why shouldn't there be some punitive-ness with welfare? Why shouldn't an able bodied person feel a little kick when they attempt to get more than they give in society?
 
Think how many trillions this casino collapse cost us, it should have cost the banks $1T and managed better it could have. (Acknowledgement: the govt has no history of running anything well so this is my fantasy to get us out of the too big to fail problem).

Todd, your questions show a naivety about banks and banking.

And, Yes Ed, why shouldn't there be some punitive-ness with welfare? Why shouldn't an able bodied person feel a little kick when they attempt to get more than they give in society?

Think how many trillions this casino collapse cost us,

The bailout made the government hundreds of billions.

it should have cost the banks $1T

The banks and their shareholders lost at least that much.

Todd, your questions show a naivety about banks and banking.


My questions point out your naivety about banks and banking.
 
The powerful people in America that run on irresponsible greed and who are the types that played a big part in bringing the world the 2008/2009 Great Recession are back at it again

Everyone cites the greed of the rich as causing the recession. Everyone ignores the fact that the greed of the middle class was more to blame. People went out and bought more house than they could afford to keep up with the Jonses. The kept their payments down by using deferred principle loans and rear loaded loans so they paid only interest for the first few years. They demanded such financing from the banks. When RE values fell they were sunk. The banks are at fault because greed made them make the loans, but JQ Public is just as much at fault or more so for wanting to live beyond his means. I know of no bank that put a gun to the head of a borrower and made him sign the note.
 
Think how many trillions this casino collapse cost us, it should have cost the banks $1T

it wasn't a casino collapse, it was a lib govt interference collapse. In the end F/F owned or guaranteed 75% of Alt A and sub prime mortgages, there was the assumed Greenspan Put for further protection, and a long long Fed history of inflating the currency to stimulate or bubble up the housing industry. Welcome to your first lesson in finance!!



Liberal intervention in housing market was massive!!

"The big event that drove the drove the monetary bubble being created by the Fed into the housing market was a decision made by the Clnton Administration in Sept of 1999, Bill Clinton put teeth into and his political power behind the goal of Fred/ Fan having at least 50% of their loan portfolios in affordable housing( sub prime) loans." John Allison


In addition to the Federal Reserve System you had Fanny and Freddie which bought and guaranteed many of the mortgages so no one had to worry about them failing. Then you had CRA, FHA, Federal Home Loan Bank Board( 3% down payment loans) SEC, Govt ratings agencies, and several others that were designed to get everybody in their own home.

When the states tried to move against predatory lending by national banks they were blocked by the bank's federal regulator, the office of the comptroller of the currency. That empowered money lenders said Lynn Turner.

Just as significantly you had very badly conceived govt accounting rules that hid the problems from everyone until it was too late. Accounting rules are supposed to do the opposite, not move billions in potential liabilities off the balance sheet onto tiny footnote on the bottom of a page as happened at Citibank, or onto on sentence at the end of a 10-Q report as happened at AIG, or as generally happened with SIVs (structured investment vehicles). Then you had gov't rules from the last crisis, the Enron Crisis, the created mark-to- market accounting rules for this crisis that many believe greatly exacerbated this crisis.

Then you had the problem with the government backed ratings agencies that simply failed to rate the mortgage backed and related securities, properly. Sorry, it had little to do with the private market, but had everything to do with inane attempts by the liberal to regulate the free market!
 
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Everyone cites the greed of the rich as causing the recession..

intelligent people cite libcommie socialism most!!!
it was a lib govt interference recession. In the end F/F owned or guaranteed 75% of Alt A and sub prime mortgages, there was the assumed Greenspan Put for further protection, and a long long Fed history of inflating the currency to stimulate or bubble up the housing industry. Welcome to your first lesson in finance!!


" The Federal reserve having done so much to create the problems in which the economy is now mired, having mistakenly thought that even after the housing bubble burst the problems were contained, and having underestimated the severity of the crisis, now wants to make a contribution to preventing the economy from sinking into a Japanese Style malaise....... - "Joseph Stiglitz"
 
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