The Wild West Returns: Montana Bill Would Allow Everyone To Carry A Concealed Weapon

[Lakhota]

By Igor Volsky

The Montana House advanced three gun bills this week that aim to thwart the growing national support for gun safety legislation, including one measure that would allow almost anyone to carry a concealed weapon without applying for a permit or undergoing mental screening:

It says that anyone who would qualify for a permit under current guidelines could carry concealed without getting a formal permit. People who determine themselves qualified would be exempt from having to actually get a permit.​

“This bill basically says if you think in your head you can carry concealed, then you can carry concealed,” said Rep. Margie McDonald of Billings, an opponent of the bill. The measure must pass a final vote before going to the Senate.

More: The Wild West Returns: Montana Bill Would Allow Everyone To Carry A Concealed Weapon | ThinkProgress

Montana House advances gun rights bills - Missoulian

 

[Political Junky]

Not that I needed a reason to stay out of Wyoming.

 

[Dutch]

Except in a lot of wild west towns there were stricter gun laws than we have now. Most had to check there firearms at the sheriffs office when entering town.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Good!!!!!

 

[OriginalShroom]

Love that law...

You can carry until you prove you can't handle the responsibility.

That is the way the laws should work in this country.

 

[Dutch]

Wyatt Earp would have been hated by the conservatives today. They would have called him a commie liberal sheriff.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Not the first...offhand, Vermont already allows concealed-carry with no permit. It's one of the safest states in the country.

 

[Lakhota]

Ted "Unabomber" Kaczynski would have loved that bill.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Excuse me, Shitting Bull, your stupidity is showing.

 

[asaratis]

Not the first...offhand, Vermont already allows concealed-carry with no permit. It's one of the safest states in the country.

It's legal to carry open or concealed in your vehicle or home in Georgia without any kind of permit...until you screw up just one time.

 

[Bigfoot]

Not that I needed a reason to stay out of Wyoming.

WTF rover. What did Wyoming do?

 

[Bigfoot]

Except in a lot of wild west towns there were stricter gun laws than we have now. Most had to check there firearms at the sheriffs office when entering town.

Oh a lot of towns, really. Hmm...

 

[martybegan]

Except in a lot of wild west towns there were stricter gun laws than we have now. Most had to check there firearms at the sheriffs office when entering town.

In return, the sheriff and his deputies guaranteed your safety while in the town.

What police force does that today?

 

[California Girl]

Wyatt Earp would have been hated by the conservatives today. They would have called him a commie liberal sheriff.

It's sweet that you decide to speak on behalf of conservatives - but most of us are articulate and intelligent - we really don't need some dumb schmuck deciding what 'conservatives would hate'.

Stop making a fucking ass of yourself. It's embarrassing.

 

[Clementine]

By Igor Volsky

The Montana House advanced three gun bills this week that aim to thwart the growing national support for gun safety legislation, including one measure that would allow almost anyone to carry a concealed weapon without applying for a permit or undergoing mental screening:

It says that anyone who would qualify for a permit under current guidelines could carry concealed without getting a formal permit. People who determine themselves qualified would be exempt from having to actually get a permit.​

“This bill basically says if you think in your head you can carry concealed, then you can carry concealed,” said Rep. Margie McDonald of Billings, an opponent of the bill. The measure must pass a final vote before going to the Senate.

More: The Wild West Returns: Montana Bill Would Allow Everyone To Carry A Concealed Weapon | ThinkProgress

Montana House advances gun rights bills - Missoulian

Criminals already carry concealed weapons in every city across the country. Do you have a problem with the law abiding doing the same?

 

[Bigfoot]

Except in a lot of wild west towns there were stricter gun laws than we have now. Most had to check there firearms at the sheriffs office when entering town.

In return, the sheriff and his deputies guaranteed your safety while in the town.

What police force does that today?

The argument is a red herring and has little relevance in today's world. It's also often preached by the left but historically not accurate. There were some towns with check-in ordinances (Ft. Worth, Dodge and Tombstone) comes to mind but the Left loves to claim "many, or almost all" which is not true. People were carrying guns in every area of the country including the cities back east. The Left loves to say and write about no-carry laws and always blames conservatives fantasies of the Wild West when they are questioned about it.

Roger McGrath on the History Channel has studied crime rates from available documentation, and found that the Wild West was more civilized than today.

Open carry in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Open carry was common during the pioneer era and in the American Old West. According to UCLA historian Dr. Roger McGrath in his book Guns, Highwaymen and Vigilantes: Violence in the Old West (1984), the rates of murder, robbery, rape, and other assorted violent crimes were far lower than they are today, and McGrath attributes those lower rates directly to the open carry of firearms.

In the book McGrath states that "the young, the old, and the female—those most vulnerable—were far safer in the most wild and wooly frontier towns than they are in any American city today," because "people had arms, knew how to use them, and were willing to fight with deadly force to protect their persons or property."

There is also a book about citizens in the Old West fighting against gangs of criminals:

[ame]http://www.amazon.com/Outgunned-Stories-Citizens-Stood-Outlaws/dp/158182386X/ref=sr_1_1/002-6333805-1916814?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1178719111&sr=1-1[/ame]

It's a classic story from hundreds of western shoot-'em-ups: a gang of outlaws rides into town, terrorizes local citizens, and finally meets their match when the heroic sheriff appears. In real life, it was different. Some of the most notorious western outlaws were killed or captured by townspeople. And the trend continued throughout the Prohibition era.

Outgunned! True Stories of Citizens Who Stood Up to Outlaws-and Won describes a dozen such cases. There's Jesse James, whose gang was decimated by armed citizens while the James-Younger Gang was attempting to rob a bank in Northfield, Minnesota. There's Tom Horn, assassin for the Wyoming cattle barons, who was shot by citizens during an ill-fated jailbreak. And there's George Birdwell, "Pretty Boy" Floyd's chief lieutenant; he and his partners were gunned down by outraged townspeople as they attempted to hold up a bank in the all-black town of Boley, Oklahoma. There's the notorious Dalton gang that entered Coffeyville, Kansas, one cold fall morning in 1892 and attempted to rob two banks at the same time; four of the outlaws were killed by armed citizens. Then there¹s Anthony Chebatoris, a Prohibition-era socialist who, after murdering an innocent bystander during an attempted bank robbery in Midland, Michigan, was shot by a dentist who kept a hunting rifle in his office.

Outgunned! True Stories of Citizens Who Stood Up to Outlaws-and Won is the first book to systematically describe cases of American citizens protecting themselves against criminals. All are documented in contemporary writings or by noted historians. In some cases, new information has been located and incorporated into the book. Many books romanticize outlaws or lawmen, but until now the role of townspeople who banded together to save themselves and their neighbors has been given little more than passing interest.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Good for Montana.

 

[Bigfoot]

Good for Montana.

Exactly.

 

[Redfish]

Not the first...offhand, Vermont already allows concealed-carry with no permit. It's one of the safest states in the country.

It's legal to carry open or concealed in your vehicle or home in Georgia without any kind of permit...until you screw up just one time.

same here in Louisiana and most of the southern and western states. They are generally referred to as "castle" laws. Your car is considered a movable part of your house (castle) so its legal to have a gun in your car.

Just don't try it in New Jersey or New York or any of the other libtardian states of america

 

[Bigfoot]

My wife and I both have permits that allow concealed carry in 35 states Montana being one of them. More states should pass these type of laws.