There is an active shooter at a Florida Highschool

[hunarcy]

Did anyone notice that one of the gun regulations that Trump got rid of was the one banning mentally ill people from buying guns?

He's so hell bent on getting rid of everything Obama that he's actually gotten rid of some stuff that actually makes sense.

I know being reasonable is not part of your make up, but what Trump got rid of was a regulation that people on social security who met two main criteria: a) They were receiving full disability benefits because of a mental illness and couldn't work and b) they were unable to manage their own benefits, thus needing the help of a third party to do so.
It's also not clear -- and perhaps unlikely -- that the man accused of terrorizing the high school in Parkland and killing 17 people there would have met either of the criteria laid out to be reported under that rule.

What's more, the rule Trump rescinded was opposed by the American Civil Liberties Union. So, your complaint is ridiculous.

 

[depotoo]

So, it WASN’T an ar-15, according to USA today-

The gun, a Smith & Wesson M&P 15 .223


or are they the same?

 

[ABikerSailor]

Today Trump was talking about the shooter being mentally disturbed.

Wow...................and he's the one that got rid of the Obama regulation that kept people with mental conditions from buying a gun.

 

[hunarcy]

Today Trump was talking about the shooter being mentally disturbed.

Wow...................and he's the one that got rid of the Obama regulation that kept people with mental conditions from buying a gun.

Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.

 

[depotoo]

No, that was meant to keep even the able disabled from owning a gun-not just the mentally ill. Produce a clean bill against the seriously mentally ill, then you may have something.

Today Trump was talking about the shooter being mentally disturbed.

Wow...................and he's the one that got rid of the Obama regulation that kept people with mental conditions from buying a gun.

 

[BlackSand]

Part of it is reducing powers... Like the power that congress has to tax you differently from the way I'm taxed...

Part of it is removing from all state legislatures the power to redraw congressional districts in ways that favor one political party over another.

A lot of it will be educating people to understand that government is a tool, and not a slimy monster to be loathed from a distance.

`​

I don't care half as much about how much you and I are taxed ...
As I care about what the crooked nit-wit tyrants in Washington DC do with our money ... Captain Obvious.

The desire to further consolidate power in the federal government ...
Further from the people they are supposed to represent ...
Is exactly what I am talking about ... Captain Obvious.

If you think educating the People to be ignorant is a good idea ...
You would make a great Progressive and qualify to teach in one of our great public institutions ... Captain Obvious.

.

 

[Dirk the Daring]

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Facebook-owned Instagram just deleted one of the two Instagram accounts of Florida high school shooter Nicolas Cruz.


One of Cruz’s accounts seemed to display a fascination with Islam and Islamic extremism; the other one showcased Cruz wearing a MAGA hat and contained imagery such as him killing toads.


CONTROLLING THE NARRATIVE: Facebook-Owned Instagram Quietly Deletes Nicolas Cruz Accounts

Surely, someone would already have screenshots of this alleged Islamic account of his, yet strangely, no one has produced any such thing.

You are right...islamic terrorists shoot up Christmas parties, air ports, rock concerts, cartoon offices, gay night clubs........

Every time one of these shootings take place you assclowns immediately start screaming Islam with zero proof and all these rumors from crank Web sites start spreading saying the same thing and at the end of the day, most of the time you end up being wrong. Once again, you tards are engaging in the same bullshit without any proof. You never learn.

Same idiots that complain that people are talking about gun control "before the bodies are cold". Every single time.

The SECOND (possibly the first, I've drank since then...) reporter question at Gov. Scott's press conference last night was about the need for tighter gun control. Don't act like 'your side' doesn't use incidents like this as political fodder.

 

[toobfreak]

When all the smoke clears, I'm betting that the shooter is once again found to have ties with and or alliances with the democratic party, Obama supporter, or his parents are. These people never turn out to be moral, upstanding, conservatives. As to other countries, what they don't have is American Common Core Public Schools turning out violent kids looking to come back to "get even" with all of their dysfunctional teachers and classmates who put this need to murder in their minds.

WHEN will schools finally be held accountable for not protecting these kids by locking the doors, having metal detectors and having teachers and guards throughout the school who are well-armed and well-trained with firearms? The problem is obviously NOT THE GUNS, but our unfamiliarity with them anymore by a liberal culture trying to remove them from people's lives. WE have created a generation of defenseless people who know nothing but how to hide in terror under a desk.

Oh, get serious. This kid didn't go on a shooting rampage because he supported Obama or because he hated Trump, or he was seeking 47 virgins in paradise.

Never said he did. All bullshit leftist data posted by others aside, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS has had a liberal influence in the family. Not one of them was from a strong, moral, conservative upbringing. If there are a few white supremacists out there committing crimes, their numbers pale in comparison and hardly make the news. There is something about liberal upbringing that makes people crazy. Normal people don't go out doing this stuff. Liberals are the Antifa who run around in black masks beating up women and knocking down statues of dead soldiers and traveling the country looking for fights to start, tearing up campuses, breaking windows, stomping police cars, rioting in cities, trying to put men in girls bathrooms, attacking their own country and going berserk because some sensible person comes to their campus to give some different views to hear and think about. Liberals are crazy. Liberals are intolerant. They are mental defects. Liberals are liars who punish kids for playing cops and robbers now and we didn't have this national problem until liberals got a hold of controlling our media and our schools. Look at liberals now: When GW Bush was in, they went berserk with vitriol at the man! Now that another non-Leftist is in the WH, they deny he is even President, try to block his administration as if it were Satan incarnate and are trying to get the man impeached on any phony charge they can dream up in their little minds. Good God, he's just a businessman who cared enough to put his life aside to try to help fix the country.

Children are perceptive. They have an intuition about what's bull and what is not. We are forcing kids into these insane asylums we call "schools" now where everyday the system sets up a conflict of irrational restrictions, rules and unfair punishments, and it builds up in these kids and they internalize it until finally, one of them snaps, gets a hold of a gun somewhere, and wants nothing more than to come back and blow away the very people who have tormented their lives.

Guns are not the problem and no gun law in the world will ever solve anything. There are MILLIONS of guns everywhere and people are not going to turn them in and the people will not stand for having their Constitution turned on its head and even if you turn this country into a police state where every home is broken down and searched and every gun is confiscated by force, a solution far worse than the problems sought solved, people will still hide a lot of the guns and all of the criminals will still have guns and millions more guns will be snuck back into the country and all of the elite will still have theirs and all you will do is escalate this country into a police state where everyone fears and mistrusts their neighbor, crime will soar and kids will still find a new way of taking it out on those they hate.

If you want to solve the school problem, you NEED TO CHANGE THE SCHOOLS and you need to change society to get all of this mind numbing PC bullshit out of our culture. We never had this problem until liberalism ran rampant to where it cripples every industry and aspect of our country now, to where states and cities now even fight to oppose their own government to oppose enforcing laws on rounding up CRIMINALS from other countries.

If you want to see why these kids are shooting up schools, if you are a liberal, go put down your computer for a minute right now, walk to the nearest mirror and LOOK RIGHT AT THE PROBLEM.

It is not about liberal upbringing vs. conservative upbringing. It's not a political or right/left thing. You aren't wrong that a stable family is pretty important to kids, but you're totally wrong to politicize who is "right" and who is "wrong."

No...actually, it is about fathers in the homes......single mothers, especially young teenage mothers.......notice...you had that dynamic in Sandy Hook, Vegas, and this one.......

Unfortunately, even if both parents are physically there, that doesn't mean they are really "there" for their kids. I think a lot of people just have kids because it's a status symbol or just something that is expected of them, and the kids are more like objects than people. I was just looking at a video on another thread where a little boy freaked out screaming on an 8-hour airplane flight. The mother had absolutely NO control over this child. She wanted to rely on the iPad to do her child rearing for her. Instead of sitting that child down and disciplining him properly, she wanted to just occupy his attention with something instead of using it as a teaching/learning experience for the child, and that is BIG problem I think.

DOES ANYONE EVER STOP TO THINK of the possible connection between all this school violence and other behavior problems and attitudes and kids 24/7 obsession with smartphones and games? Kids are now being RAISED online in software and in chat-rooms. Kids around here never even come outside to play. I'm not sure if most kids would even know what to do with themselves if they had to go play in the woods down by a creek with stones, rocks and mud.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Today Trump was talking about the shooter being mentally disturbed.

Wow...................and he's the one that got rid of the Obama regulation that kept people with mental conditions from buying a gun.

FYI that so called regulation was aimed at social security recipients who Obama in all his wisdom thought were mentally ill if they needed help balancing their checkbooks

Over 4 Million Social Security Recipients Could Lose Gun Rights If They Can't Balance a Checkbook - www.independentsentinel.com

 

[Lastamender]

Oh, get serious. This kid didn't go on a shooting rampage because he supported Obama or because he hated Trump, or he was seeking 47 virgins in paradise.

Never said he did. All bullshit leftist data posted by others aside, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS has had a liberal influence in the family. Not one of them was from a strong, moral, conservative upbringing. If there are a few white supremacists out there committing crimes, their numbers pale in comparison and hardly make the news. There is something about liberal upbringing that makes people crazy. Normal people don't go out doing this stuff. Liberals are the Antifa who run around in black masks beating up women and knocking down statues of dead soldiers and traveling the country looking for fights to start, tearing up campuses, breaking windows, stomping police cars, rioting in cities, trying to put men in girls bathrooms, attacking their own country and going berserk because some sensible person comes to their campus to give some different views to hear and think about. Liberals are crazy. Liberals are intolerant. They are mental defects. Liberals are liars who punish kids for playing cops and robbers now and we didn't have this national problem until liberals got a hold of controlling our media and our schools. Look at liberals now: When GW Bush was in, they went berserk with vitriol at the man! Now that another non-Leftist is in the WH, they deny he is even President, try to block his administration as if it were Satan incarnate and are trying to get the man impeached on any phony charge they can dream up in their little minds. Good God, he's just a businessman who cared enough to put his life aside to try to help fix the country.

Children are perceptive. They have an intuition about what's bull and what is not. We are forcing kids into these insane asylums we call "schools" now where everyday the system sets up a conflict of irrational restrictions, rules and unfair punishments, and it builds up in these kids and they internalize it until finally, one of them snaps, gets a hold of a gun somewhere, and wants nothing more than to come back and blow away the very people who have tormented their lives.

Guns are not the problem and no gun law in the world will ever solve anything. There are MILLIONS of guns everywhere and people are not going to turn them in and the people will not stand for having their Constitution turned on its head and even if you turn this country into a police state where every home is broken down and searched and every gun is confiscated by force, a solution far worse than the problems sought solved, people will still hide a lot of the guns and all of the criminals will still have guns and millions more guns will be snuck back into the country and all of the elite will still have theirs and all you will do is escalate this country into a police state where everyone fears and mistrusts their neighbor, crime will soar and kids will still find a new way of taking it out on those they hate.

If you want to solve the school problem, you NEED TO CHANGE THE SCHOOLS and you need to change society to get all of this mind numbing PC bullshit out of our culture. We never had this problem until liberalism ran rampant to where it cripples every industry and aspect of our country now, to where states and cities now even fight to oppose their own government to oppose enforcing laws on rounding up CRIMINALS from other countries.

If you want to see why these kids are shooting up schools, if you are a liberal, go put down your computer for a minute right now, walk to the nearest mirror and LOOK RIGHT AT THE PROBLEM.

It is not about liberal upbringing vs. conservative upbringing. It's not a political or right/left thing. You aren't wrong that a stable family is pretty important to kids, but you're totally wrong to politicize who is "right" and who is "wrong."

No...actually, it is about fathers in the homes......single mothers, especially young teenage mothers.......notice...you had that dynamic in Sandy Hook, Vegas, and this one.......

Unfortunately, even if both parents are physically there, that doesn't mean they are really "there" for their kids. I think a lot of people just have kids because it's a status symbol or just something that is expected of them, and the kids are more like objects than people. I was just looking at a video on another thread where a little boy freaked out screaming on an 8-hour airplane flight. The mother had absolutely NO control over this child. She wanted to rely on the iPad to do her child rearing for her. Instead of sitting that child down and disciplining him properly, she wanted to just occupy his attention with something instead of using it as a teaching/learning experience for the child, and that is BIG problem I think.

DOES ANYONE EVER STOP TO THINK of the possible connection between all this school violence and other behavior problems and attitudes and kids 24/7 obsession with smartphones and games? Kids are now being RAISED online in software and in chat-rooms. Kids around here never even come outside to play.

I have. Also when kids are told in school their parents are wrong about the existing society does not help either. It disrespects the role only a parent can play in framing a reality based opinion for his/her child to emulate, or not. None is for lack of trying if the parent is responsible.

 

[2aguy]

The leader of a white nationalist militia says Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was a member of his group and participated in paramilitary drills in Tallahassee.


Alleged Parkland Shooter Nikolas Cruz Was a Member of White Supremacist Group

An update for you...

Local Police: ‘No Known Ties’ Between Shooting Suspect And White Nationalist Group

he is one of yours

Nope......read the link.......more investigation is needed.......

Leader of White Supremacist Group Claims Florida School Shooting Suspect Was a Member
Cruz was associated with ROF and participated in at least one training in the Tallahassee area, carpooling up with other white supremacists from south Florida. The Republic of Florida describes itself as a “white civil rights organization fighting for white identitarian politics” that seeks to create a “white ethnostate” in Florida,

https://splinternews.com/leader-of-...tter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2018-02-15

And again....that story is falling apart........it may be true, it may not be true...time will tell.....

 

[MindWars]

Evil Liberals Hurl Insults to Father of Florida Shooting Victim — Because He's a Trump Supporter!

 

[depotoo]

Local law enforcement: No ties between militia and Florida high school shooter
Local law enforcement sources have not found a connection between accused Parkland school shooter Nikolas Cruz and a Tallahassee-based paramilitary group.

Leon County law enforcement sources told the Tallahassee Democrat that they could not find information linking Cruz, 19, to the Republic of Florida Militia, as claimed by the group’s self-proclaimed leader Jordan Jereb.

His comments to the Anti-Defamation League and The Associated Press set off a media firestorm Thursday at about midday that Cruz was connected to the alt-right, white nationalist
http://www.tallahassee.com/story/ne...ist-militia-tallahassee-leader-say/341751002/


[QUOTE="undertherqadar, post: 19299747, member: 68781"]

The leader of a white nationalist militia says Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was a member of his group and participated in paramilitary drills in Tallahassee.


Alleged Parkland Shooter Nikolas Cruz Was a Member of White Supremacist Group

An update for you...

Local Police: ‘No Known Ties’ Between Shooting Suspect And White Nationalist Group

he is one of yours

Nope......read the link.......more investigation is needed.......

Leader of White Supremacist Group Claims Florida School Shooting Suspect Was a Member
Cruz was associated with ROF and participated in at least one training in the Tallahassee area, carpooling up with other white supremacists from south Florida. The Republic of Florida describes itself as a “white civil rights organization fighting for white identitarian politics” that seeks to create a “white ethnostate” in Florida,

https://splinternews.com/leader-of-...tter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2018-02-15[/QUOTE]

 

[ChrisL]

Oh, get serious. This kid didn't go on a shooting rampage because he supported Obama or because he hated Trump, or he was seeking 47 virgins in paradise.

Never said he did. All bullshit leftist data posted by others aside, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS has had a liberal influence in the family. Not one of them was from a strong, moral, conservative upbringing. If there are a few white supremacists out there committing crimes, their numbers pale in comparison and hardly make the news. There is something about liberal upbringing that makes people crazy. Normal people don't go out doing this stuff. Liberals are the Antifa who run around in black masks beating up women and knocking down statues of dead soldiers and traveling the country looking for fights to start, tearing up campuses, breaking windows, stomping police cars, rioting in cities, trying to put men in girls bathrooms, attacking their own country and going berserk because some sensible person comes to their campus to give some different views to hear and think about. Liberals are crazy. Liberals are intolerant. They are mental defects. Liberals are liars who punish kids for playing cops and robbers now and we didn't have this national problem until liberals got a hold of controlling our media and our schools. Look at liberals now: When GW Bush was in, they went berserk with vitriol at the man! Now that another non-Leftist is in the WH, they deny he is even President, try to block his administration as if it were Satan incarnate and are trying to get the man impeached on any phony charge they can dream up in their little minds. Good God, he's just a businessman who cared enough to put his life aside to try to help fix the country.

Children are perceptive. They have an intuition about what's bull and what is not. We are forcing kids into these insane asylums we call "schools" now where everyday the system sets up a conflict of irrational restrictions, rules and unfair punishments, and it builds up in these kids and they internalize it until finally, one of them snaps, gets a hold of a gun somewhere, and wants nothing more than to come back and blow away the very people who have tormented their lives.

Guns are not the problem and no gun law in the world will ever solve anything. There are MILLIONS of guns everywhere and people are not going to turn them in and the people will not stand for having their Constitution turned on its head and even if you turn this country into a police state where every home is broken down and searched and every gun is confiscated by force, a solution far worse than the problems sought solved, people will still hide a lot of the guns and all of the criminals will still have guns and millions more guns will be snuck back into the country and all of the elite will still have theirs and all you will do is escalate this country into a police state where everyone fears and mistrusts their neighbor, crime will soar and kids will still find a new way of taking it out on those they hate.

If you want to solve the school problem, you NEED TO CHANGE THE SCHOOLS and you need to change society to get all of this mind numbing PC bullshit out of our culture. We never had this problem until liberalism ran rampant to where it cripples every industry and aspect of our country now, to where states and cities now even fight to oppose their own government to oppose enforcing laws on rounding up CRIMINALS from other countries.

If you want to see why these kids are shooting up schools, if you are a liberal, go put down your computer for a minute right now, walk to the nearest mirror and LOOK RIGHT AT THE PROBLEM.

It is not about liberal upbringing vs. conservative upbringing. It's not a political or right/left thing. You aren't wrong that a stable family is pretty important to kids, but you're totally wrong to politicize who is "right" and who is "wrong."

No...actually, it is about fathers in the homes......single mothers, especially young teenage mothers.......notice...you had that dynamic in Sandy Hook, Vegas, and this one.......

Unfortunately, even if both parents are physically there, that doesn't mean they are really "there" for their kids. I think a lot of people just have kids because it's a status symbol or just something that is expected of them, and the kids are more like objects than people. I was just looking at a video on another thread where a little boy freaked out screaming on an 8-hour airplane flight. The mother had absolutely NO control over this child. She wanted to rely on the iPad to do her child rearing for her. Instead of sitting that child down and disciplining him properly, she wanted to just occupy his attention with something instead of using it as a teaching/learning experience for the child, and that is BIG problem I think.

DOES ANYONE EVER STOP TO THINK of the possible connection between all this school violence and other behavior problems and attitudes and kids 24/7 obsession with smartphones and games? Kids are now being RAISED online in software and in chat-rooms. Kids around here never even come outside to play. I'm not sure if most kids would even know what to do with themselves if they had to go play in the woods down by a creek with stones, rocks and mud.

I totally agree. Playing outside and real life face-to-face socialization are very important parts of raising kids. The facts are that some people are weird and they are raising up some even weirder kids.

I've heard several interviews from other kids about this kid, and they all say he was "weird." They haven't said much about his home life or his parents or how he was raised though.

Also, I wonder if he was taking meds for depression/anxiety? Seems that this is something a lot of these shooters have in common.

 

[depotoo]

It is exactly that kind of behavior that gives those already on the edge the momentum to cross that ledge. It is disgusting, sickening, and putrid.

We no longer live in a civilized society.

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[AVG-JOE]

Should has EVERYTHING to do with it.

This is AMERICA, (insert your preferred Deity here) Damn it!!

We should be capable of maintaining an effective government that truly protects it's citizens and their freedoms.

The fact that we don't, especially right now, I lay at the feet of a congress controlled by Gerrymander-safe republicans who're unwilling or unable to discuss the issues for fear of losing the ca$h that keeps the machine greased.

"Should" does not mean "Can" ... Captain Obvious.

The government isn't doing what they are required to do ... Much less what they should do.
You are stupid if you think we should grant them the power to do more of what they are already failing at.

.

Part of it is reducing powers... Like the power that congress has to tax you differently from the way I'm taxed...

Part of it is removing from all state legislatures the power to redraw congressional districts in ways that favor one political party over another.

A lot of it will be educating people to understand that government is a tool, and not a slimy monster to be loathed from a distance.

`​

You failed every American history course you ever took, didn't you? The term "Gerry-mander" has been around since 1812. No one has gotten rid of the practice yet. I'll bet you didn't know it was named after a Vice President!

Who is going to draw the districts? Try looking in the Constitution for a clue.

I hate ignorant off-the-wall comments like yours. They reek of a distinct lack of education.

Yeah?

Well I hate posts containing zero specifics, no original thought, and tired talking points.

WYGD?​

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Did anyone notice that one of the gun regulations that Trump got rid of was the one banning mentally ill people from buying guns?

He's so hell bent on getting rid of everything Obama that he's actually gotten rid of some stuff that actually makes sense.

Liar.

Why do you do this?

Is your TDS acting up again or are you having titless WAVE flashbacks?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Someone wrote "gullible" on your ceiling.

You poor kid, he's got all of your favorite on that T-Shirt he's wearing

BREAKING: Don't Let The MAGA Hat Fool You, Hispanic Shooter 'Nicolas de Jesus Cruz' Was A Registered Democrat

Moron... his name is not Nicolas de Jesus Cruz.

Are ya feeling stupid yet? Or are ya too stupid to feel stupid?

I suggest you actually research it kid. Begone.

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LOLOLOL

Moron... his name is Nikolas Jacob Cruz, not Nicolas de Jesus Cruz.

Shit, at some point, ya gotta feel stupid, right??

Both Biblical names, should we blame the Christians?

No, but the Jews might be to blame!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Should has EVERYTHING to do with it.

This is AMERICA, (insert your preferred Deity here) Damn it!!

We should be capable of maintaining an effective government that truly protects it's citizens and their freedoms.

The fact that we don't, especially right now, I lay at the feet of a congress controlled by Gerrymander-safe republicans who're unwilling or unable to discuss the issues for fear of losing the ca$h that keeps the machine greased.

"Should" does not mean "Can" ... Captain Obvious.

The government isn't doing what they are required to do ... Much less what they should do.
You are stupid if you think we should grant them the power to do more of what they are already failing at.

.

Part of it is reducing powers... Like the power that congress has to tax you differently from the way I'm taxed...

Part of it is removing from all state legislatures the power to redraw congressional districts in ways that favor one political party over another.

A lot of it will be educating people to understand that government is a tool, and not a slimy monster to be loathed from a distance.

`​

You failed every American history course you ever took, didn't you? The term "Gerry-mander" has been around since 1812. No one has gotten rid of the practice yet. I'll bet you didn't know it was named after a Vice President!

Who is going to draw the districts? Try looking in the Constitution for a clue.

I hate ignorant off-the-wall comments like yours. They reek of a distinct lack of education.

Yeah?

Well I hate posts containing zero specifics, no original thought, and tired talking points.

WYGD?​

If that is the case, I suggest you stop making posts!

 

[AVG-JOE]

Doctor Grump likes to pretend everyone lives a small population homogeneous country with no international borders like he does. I mean, what works in Mayberry RFD will work everywhere, right?

He's not interested at all in learning anything about the United States and how it's different than New Zealand. Just lecturing us how they do it and assuming it would work here

Posted by a friend of mine in Sydney, who is a New Yorker. He wondered in his post that maybe the reason wasn't guns, maybe it was the water....

That tells us what?




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Australian gun crime is going up....our gun crime is going down......they have almost had numerous mass public shootings....the only thing that kept them from being mass public shootings...the shooter chose not to shoot more people, or he was a bad shot.........

It is a lie that Australian gun control stopped their mass shootings, or their gun crime......don't believe it...

Keep in mind...whenever an anti gunner claims Australian gun laws stopped their mass public shootings...ask them how their gun laws stopped these shootings from becoming mass public shootings...since the shooter had guns in a public place and was shooting people........

Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia

• 16 January 1998 to 15 June 2009 – Melbourne gangland killings – A series of 35 murders of crime figures and their associates that began with the slaying of Alphonse Gangitano in his home, most likely by Jason Moran, the latest victim being Des Moran who was murdered in Ascot Vale on 15 June 2009.
• 3 August 1999 – La Trobe University shooting – Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria at La Trobe university in Melbourne, Victoria, armed with a 38-calibre revolver handgun and opened fire, killing cafeteria manager Leon Capraro and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.

21st century[edit]
2000s[edit]

• 13 March 2000 – Millewa State Forest Murders – Barbara and Stephen Brooks and Stacie Willoughby were found dead, all three having been shot execution style and left in the forest.[62][63]
• 16 July 2001 – Peter James Knight, an anti-abortion activist, walked into an abortion clinic in East Melbourne armed with a rifle. Knight shot dead security guard Stephen Gordon Rogers and was later overpowered by staff in the abortion clinic. After his arrest, Knight was charged and convicted of murder. He was sentenced to life in prison.
• 26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.
• 14 October 2002 – Dr. Margret Tobin, the South Australian head of Mental Health Services, was shot dead by Jean Eric Gassy as she walked out of a lift in her office building.
• 21 October 2002 – Monash University shooting – Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.
• 25 October 2003 – Greenacre double murder – A man and a woman are shot dead in a house in the suburb of Greenacre, Sydney which was the result of a feud between two Middle Eastern crime families. Twenty-four-year-old Ziad Abdulrazak was shot 10 times in the chest and head and 22-year-old Mervat Hamka was shot twice in the neck while she slept in her bedroom. Up to 100 shots were fired into the house by four men who were later arrested and convicted of the murders.
• 18 February 2006 – Cardross Hit and Run – Thomas Graham Towle crashed his car at high speed into a group of 13 teenagers, killing six and injuring seven near the town ofCardross, Victoria.[73]
• 18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting – Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[75]

An expidited list.....

Here is a list of shootings in Australia...notice, they are all after they banned and confiscated guns...tell me....how did Australian gun laws stop these from becoming mass shootings?

I will quote a few....read the rest....

Timeline of major crimes in Australia - Wikipedia

• 3 August 1999 – La Trobe University shooting – Jonathan Brett Horrocks walked into the cafeteria in La Trobe university in Melbourne Victoria armed with a 38 caliber revolver handgun and opened fire killing Leon Capraro the boss and manager off the cafeteria and wounding a woman who was a student at the university.

If he had decided to keep shooting...would Australian gun laws have kept this from being a mass shooting?
Tell me...this doesn't count as a mass shooting...only because more of the victims didn't die...7 people shot......did Australian gun laws stop it from being a mass shooting?

• 26 May 2002 – A Vietnamese man walked into a Vietnamese wedding reception in Cabramatta Sydney, New South Wales armed with a handgun and opened fire wounding seven people.

Another one.....this shooter couldn't clear his rifle...so he only killed 2...the new standard for a mass shooting incident is 3 dead victims...so how did Australian gun laws keep this from being a mass shooting...rather than just dumb luck....?

• 21 October 2002 – Monash University shooting – Huan Xiang opened fire in a tutorial room, killing two and injuring five.

And had this guy decided to keep shooting.....would Australian gun laws have stopped him? And kept this from being a mass shooting?

• 18 June 2007 – Melbourne CBD shooting – Christopher Wayne Hudson opened fire on three people, killing one and seriously wounding two others who intervened when Hudson was assaulting his girlfriend at a busy Melbourne intersection during the morning peak. He gave himself up to police in Wallan, Victoria on 20 June.[71]

Can you see that CNN's article is just wrong....that it implies that Australian gun control has ended their mass shootings...and that that is a lie?

And more....

• 28 April 2011 – 2011 Hectorville siege – Donato Anthony Corbo shot dead Kobus and Annetjie Snyman and their son-in-law Luc Mombers and seriously wounded Mr Mombers' 14-year-old son Marcel and a police officer at Hectorville, South Australia before being arrested after an eight-hour stand off.

• 28 April 2012 – A man opened fire in a busy shopping mall in Robina on the Gold Coast shooting Bandidos bikie Jacques Teamo. A woman who was an innocent bystander was also injured from a shotgun blast to the leg. Neither of the victims died, but the incident highlighted the recent increase in gun crime across major Australian cities including Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide.[citation needed]

this guy actually went into a mall......with a gun......after they banned and confiscated them...so tell me how this doesn't show that the CNN article is a lie....

• 8 March 2013 – Queen Street mall siege – Lee Matthew Hiller entered the shopping mall on Queen Street Brisbane Queensland armed with a revolver and threatened shoppers and staff with the revolver, causing a 90-minute siege which ended when Hiller was shot and wounded in the arm by a police officer from the elite Specialist Emergency Response Team. Hiller was then later taken to hospital and was treated for his injury; he pleaded gulity to 20 charges and was sentenced to four-and-a-half years in jail with a non-parole period of two years and three months.[citation needed]

How did Australian gun control laws keep this shooting from being a muslim terrorist mass shooting? An immigrant to Australia got a gun in a country where they banned and confiscated them and now claim their gun control laws have stopped mass shootings...

• 15 December 2014 – 2014 Sydney hostage crisis – Seventeen people were taken hostage in a cafe in Martin Place, Sydney by Man Haron Monis. The hostage crisis was resolved in the early hours of 16 December, sixteen hours after it commenced, when armed police stormed the premises. Monis and two hostages were killed in the course of the crisis.[87]

And how did Australian gun control keep this shooting from being a mass shooting?

• 10 September 2015 – A 49-year-old woman is shot dead in a Mc Donald's restaurant in Gold Coast by her 57-year-old ex partner, who then turned the gun on himself afterwards and shot himself dead.

And had this kid walked into his school.....as a muslim immigrant and simply shot 3 kids....it would have been an act of muslim terrorism and a mass shooting ....again, luck saved Australia, not their gun control laws...

• And how did Australian gun laws keep these muslim teenager from going to a school with this gun and shooting a bunch of students?
  
  Sydney police HQ shooting linked to terrorism: police commissioner
  
  The actions of the 15-year-old gunman who shot dead a New South Wales police civilian employee were an act of terrorism, police say.
  
  The radicalised youth of Middle Eastern background has been named as Farhad Jabar Khalil Mohammad.
  
  He killed the police employee, Curtis Cheng, as he was leaving police headquarters at Parramatta in Sydney's west around 4:30pm yesterday.
  
  The offender then fired several more shots at officers as they emerged from the building to respond to the incident.

You really need to give this wall of text marathon a freaking rest!

No one gives a shit about the UK or Australia.

And that's simply not true.

It's not even an opinion worth defending and your extremism is failing you - even you care enough about the relevance of the "Australia Comparison" that you want to shut out discussion of it.

And I for one find comparisons and articles discussing how the rest of the world is dealing with similar issues is very relevant to the conversation.

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