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Since there was no Israel for Rome to conquer, how can anyone deny it? Since there are no West Bank "Jordanians" , what's to deny?
Since there was no Israel for Rome to conquer, how can anyone deny it? Since there are no West Bank "Jordanians" , what's to deny?
Why do you insist on demonstrating that you have a poor grasp of history. You do know you are making a fool of yourself. As they say "Tis better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt"
I never denied the Roman conquest of Jerusalem. You claimed there was a Roman conquest of Israel. You have no grasp of history. Trying to wiggle your way out after checking Wiki, I see. Check first, then write. You will make less of a fool of yourself. Israel ceased to exist around 722 BC, 7 centuries before the Roman conquest of Judea.
I never denied the Roman conquest of Jerusalem. You claimed there was a Roman conquest of Israel. You have no grasp of history. Trying to wiggle your way out after checking Wiki, I see. Check first, then write. You will make less of a fool of yourself. Israel ceased to exist around 722 BC, 7 centuries before the Roman conquest of Judea.
For those who feel that there is no "occupation" I urge you to watch this video...
Clear, concise and factual....
Reality Check: Gaza is still occupied
Jews can't just go visiting in gaza. No reason for "free" access to Israel. Hamas brought that problem on themselves when they went to war with Fatah and the WB. As for supplies, they have to pay for many of them, even paying the PA for their fuel, which they refuse to do quite often.
Supplies go in and out of gaza, just certain items are banned. Fishing area has doubled in size.
Hamas has the power to end this at any time, but they won't even speak to Israel or recognized it. Many countries have tight control of border control and requiring special visas to come and go. When not lobbing rockets at Israel, gazans can enter for many reason, but Israel will not allow them to flood into and wage war on Israel. When Israel is attacked they have a right to respond. The blockade is legal.
Egypt does not give gazans free access to the sinai. They only open the Rafah crossing a few days a year. Hamas brought that on themselves as well.
Israel pulled all Israelis out of gaza. It does not occupy that part of the land.
As long a hamas is calling for attacks and war on Israel, restrictions will remain. Blame hamas
Let me ask you a question....
When was it that the occupied and oppressed had "the power to end" the occupation and oppression?
Seems that is the wrong way round....
Israel should end its occupation and oppression of Gaza pure and simple...
Only the one IN power has the power to make that decision....
Then let's see if the potential Intifada starts!
Palestinians have turned down a number of peace agreements including part of jerusalem and land exchange.
Even a disarming, ending all attacks on Israelis and a unity government could have opened the blockade
Palestinians have always had the power to end the conflict.
I never denied the Roman conquest of Jerusalem. You claimed there was a Roman conquest of Israel. You have no grasp of history. Trying to wiggle your way out after checking Wiki, I see. Check first, then write. You will make less of a fool of yourself. Israel ceased to exist around 722 BC, 7 centuries before the Roman conquest of Judea.
You're playing a game of semantics.
The Romans wanted Jerusalem for 2 reasons...
[1] They wanted the Capital of Israel, just as an enemy would want to conquer Washington, DC, NOT New York State.
[2] They wanted the treasure from The Temple.
I never denied the Roman conquest of Jerusalem. You claimed there was a Roman conquest of Israel. You have no grasp of history. Trying to wiggle your way out after checking Wiki, I see. Check first, then write. You will make less of a fool of yourself. Israel ceased to exist around 722 BC, 7 centuries before the Roman conquest of Judea.
You're playing a game of semantics.
The Romans wanted Jerusalem for 2 reasons...
[1] They wanted the Capital of Israel, just as an enemy would want to conquer Washington, DC, NOT New York State.
[2] They wanted the treasure from The Temple.
Jerusalem wasn't the capital of Israel idiot!
It still isn't!
I never denied the Roman conquest of Jerusalem. You claimed there was a Roman conquest of Israel. You have no grasp of history. Trying to wiggle your way out after checking Wiki, I see. Check first, then write. You will make less of a fool of yourself. Israel ceased to exist around 722 BC, 7 centuries before the Roman conquest of Judea.
You're playing a game of semantics.
The Romans wanted Jerusalem for 2 reasons...
[1] They wanted the Capital of Israel, just as an enemy would want to conquer Washington, DC, NOT New York State.
[2] They wanted the treasure from The Temple.
Jerusalem wasn't the capital of Israel idiot!
It still isn't!
That's funny!
Next you're gonna tell me that Tel Aviv existed during the Babylonian exile.
End the occupation, including the sea/air blockade and allow Egypt to have normal border controls with Gaza, and there won't be any need for resistance.
Perhaps not collecting Gaza taxes would be a start. It's not just the capacity to send troops, it is the fact that the Israelis do enter Gaza and wreak havoc on a regular basis.
Only when required to do so by its obligation to defend its citizens. That isn't occupation. That is just self-defense.
And again, end the attacks and there is no more conflict. Easy peasy.
The self defense argument simply doesn't stand up does it...
If it did then there wouldn't be any rocket fire would there!
According to the Biblical tradition, King David conquered the city from the Jebusites and established it as the capital of the United Kingdom of Israel, and his son, King Solomon, commissioned the building of the First Temple.I never denied the Roman conquest of Jerusalem. You claimed there was a Roman conquest of Israel. You have no grasp of history. Trying to wiggle your way out after checking Wiki, I see. Check first, then write. You will make less of a fool of yourself. Israel ceased to exist around 722 BC, 7 centuries before the Roman conquest of Judea.
You're playing a game of semantics.
The Romans wanted Jerusalem for 2 reasons...
[1] They wanted the Capital of Israel, just as an enemy would want to conquer Washington, DC, NOT New York State.
[2] They wanted the treasure from The Temple.
Jerusalem wasn't the capital of Israel idiot!
It still isn't!
End the occupation, including the sea/air blockade and allow Egypt to have normal border controls with Gaza, and there won't be any need for resistance.
There is no need for resistance now. What are the Gazans resisting against? They have a self-governing national entity that Israel will drop like a hot potato for the asking. Israel has no interest whatsoever in keeping Gaza under its sovereignty.
The blockade is a RESULT of belligerent hostile acts against Israel's civilian population which Israel is obligated to defend, not the CAUSE of it.
The real reason for the continued attacks is not to end the so-called "occupation" of Gazan territory (that would be far more easily done through peaceful means than belligerent ones). The real reason for the "resistance" is to end the Jewish State.
The ideology that the Jewish people have no rights to a homeland or a State is the root cause of the conflict and ultimately to blame for a Third Intifada.
Perhaps not collecting Gaza taxes would be a start. It's not just the capacity to send troops, it is the fact that the Israelis do enter Gaza and wreak havoc on a regular basis.
Only when required to do so by its obligation to defend its citizens. That isn't occupation. That is just self-defense.
And again, end the attacks and there is no more conflict. Easy peasy.
The self defense argument simply doesn't stand up does it...
If it did then there wouldn't be any rocket fire would there!
Not sure what you are arguing here. That it isn't self-defense unless the attacker is rendered completely unable to continue an attack? So if a guy is about to rape me, if I just scare him off it wasn't really self-defense? Its only self-defense if I kill him so he will never be able to rape me in the future?
According to the Biblical tradition, King David conquered the city from the Jebusites and established it as the capital of the United Kingdom of Israel, and his son, King Solomon, commissioned the building of the First Temple.I never denied the Roman conquest of Jerusalem. You claimed there was a Roman conquest of Israel. You have no grasp of history. Trying to wiggle your way out after checking Wiki, I see. Check first, then write. You will make less of a fool of yourself. Israel ceased to exist around 722 BC, 7 centuries before the Roman conquest of Judea.
You're playing a game of semantics.
The Romans wanted Jerusalem for 2 reasons...
[1] They wanted the Capital of Israel, just as an enemy would want to conquer Washington, DC, NOT New York State.
[2] They wanted the treasure from The Temple.
Jerusalem wasn't the capital of Israel idiot!
It still isn't!
Jerusalem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Who told you that lie?According to the Biblical tradition, King David conquered the city from the Jebusites and established it as the capital of the United Kingdom of Israel, and his son, King Solomon, commissioned the building of the First Temple.I never denied the Roman conquest of Jerusalem. You claimed there was a Roman conquest of Israel. You have no grasp of history. Trying to wiggle your way out after checking Wiki, I see. Check first, then write. You will make less of a fool of yourself. Israel ceased to exist around 722 BC, 7 centuries before the Roman conquest of Judea.
You're playing a game of semantics.
The Romans wanted Jerusalem for 2 reasons...
[1] They wanted the Capital of Israel, just as an enemy would want to conquer Washington, DC, NOT New York State.
[2] They wanted the treasure from The Temple.
Jerusalem wasn't the capital of Israel idiot!
It still isn't!
Jerusalem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
To quote you... "biblical tradition" has NO place in historical fact...
Israel did not even exist in Roman times... So how can it have been the capital of Israel?
According to the Biblical tradition, King David conquered the city from the Jebusites and established it as the capital of the United Kingdom of Israel, and his son, King Solomon, commissioned the building of the First Temple.I never denied the Roman conquest of Jerusalem. You claimed there was a Roman conquest of Israel. You have no grasp of history. Trying to wiggle your way out after checking Wiki, I see. Check first, then write. You will make less of a fool of yourself. Israel ceased to exist around 722 BC, 7 centuries before the Roman conquest of Judea.
You're playing a game of semantics.
The Romans wanted Jerusalem for 2 reasons...
[1] They wanted the Capital of Israel, just as an enemy would want to conquer Washington, DC, NOT New York State.
[2] They wanted the treasure from The Temple.
Jerusalem wasn't the capital of Israel idiot!
It still isn't!
Jerusalem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
To quote you... "biblical tradition" has NO place in historical fact...
Israel did not even exist in Roman times... So how can it have been the capital of Israel?
