This is incontrovertible proof that God is evil. God does not live by his own golden rule.

[ding]

missing 240,000 pieces of claimed evidence

You managed to show everyone that you
1)lie about the amount of evidence
2)lie about it being evidence

I can say there is similar Papyrus on Zeus or other fictitious characters and libraries full of fiction texts and that does not show an historical figure. Which you notice you've yet to name in their OWN SINGULAR HISTORICAL HEBREW NAME.

Fact: scholars and historians and archeologists say the NT is compiled from an earlier central source called Q.
Fact:the NT says you'd all be deceived claiming he was the christ and deceiving even th elect. All your sources use self testified text that says they'd be deceived, so they grew up in the deception as if it was truth, because that was their truth as far as they the deceived knew it , because you are only as good as your
(admittingly deceptive) source.
The deception begot deception thereafter hence your long list lineage of deception.
Once ypu pass the story down the line tainted thereaftr all is tainted and the end story is nowhere like the beginning (pass the story down the line syndrom).
Facts: the NT claims different followers are following different christs then they.
Facts: the NT mentions the other christs
and mysteriously get their sequence of death thus eras wrong.
Fact: the NT has over 50 thousand eras and lies and contradictions.
Fact: the NT never names this characters holy father (because it would hinder beinging all cultures into one fold under one world religion Rome was creating using this compiled mythology.
Fact; every oral tradition about Jesus c0ntradicts the NT exampleg saying he lived to 33 when John says closer to 50.
Saying he's from Nazareth a town not yet built by Roman soldiers till 90ad when the NT says his home town was Capernaum.
Fact: the death scene is stolen from predated Baal Tablets hence why they say father & son are one (in the same mythology).
Fact; much is plagiarized from the OT and it's characters and roles blatantly stolen.
Examples: claiming the roles of Michael to remove the Devil and act as Judge on Judgement day they magically give to Jesus even though that contradicts the OT & NT and their own ministry texts.
Fact: the guy who could heal, raise the dead, come back has never ever done so outside the self testified fallacious story from the archaic age whereby people thought spirits came out their nose when they sneazed.
By you claiming Jesus a spirit you are
saying Jesus is a mere snot coming out their nose during a winter cold.

Sources:
now housed in the British
Museum 700bc tablets in which the Babylonian myth of Bel (Baal in
Hebrew) is described in a passion play in which:
(1) Bel is taken prisoner;
(2) Bel is tried in a great hall;
(3) Bel is smitten;
(4) Bel is led away to the Mount (a sacred grove on a
hilltop);
(5) with Bel are taken two malefactors, one of whom is
released;
(6) After Bel has gone to the Mount and is executed,
the city breaks into tumult;
(7) Bel's clothes are carried away;
(8.) Bel goes down into the Mount and disappears from
life;
(9) weeping women seek Bel at the Tomb;
(10) Bel is brought back to life.
discovery of the tablet was
in Nineveh in Assyria, and its dated
as 700 B.C.
The Bel myth does in
fact have mythical elements including death and
resurrection which parallel the Jesus myth and thus are
forerunners of mythical elements in the Jesus myth.
The stone tablet discovered in Nineveh, Assyria
dated 700 B.C. is now housed in The British Museum,
and referred to by British Museum officials as the
Marduk's Ordeal tablet and not referred to as the Baal passion play as others refer to it.
Remember itcs the NT itself that reveals the punchline at the end of the joke, in Rev 22:16 Jesus is deemed Baal's son (morning star) which is why they use Baal's Dec 25th birthdate, Baal sun cross, and Harvest seed scams.

Your sources are BC. My sources are AD.

 

[ding]

missing 240,000 pieces of claimed evidence

You managed to show everyone that you
1)lie about the amount of evidence
2)lie about it being evidence

I can say there is similar Papyrus on Zeus or other fictitious characters and libraries full of fiction texts and that does not show an historical figure. Which you notice you've yet to name in their OWN SINGULAR HISTORICAL HEBREW NAME.

Fact: scholars and historians and archeologists say the NT is compiled from an earlier central source called Q.
Fact:the NT says you'd all be deceived claiming he was the christ and deceiving even th elect. All your sources use self testified text that says they'd be deceived, so they grew up in the deception as if it was truth, because that was their truth as far as they the deceived knew it , because you are only as good as your
(admittingly deceptive) source.
The deception begot deception thereafter hence your long list lineage of deception.
Once ypu pass the story down the line tainted thereaftr all is tainted and the end story is nowhere like the beginning (pass the story down the line syndrom).
Facts: the NT claims different followers are following different christs then they.
Facts: the NT mentions the other christs
and mysteriously get their sequence of death thus eras wrong.
Fact: the NT has over 50 thousand eras and lies and contradictions.
Fact: the NT never names this characters holy father (because it would hinder beinging all cultures into one fold under one world religion Rome was creating using this compiled mythology.
Fact; every oral tradition about Jesus c0ntradicts the NT exampleg saying he lived to 33 when John says closer to 50.
Saying he's from Nazareth a town not yet built by Roman soldiers till 90ad when the NT says his home town was Capernaum.
Fact: the death scene is stolen from predated Baal Tablets hence why they say father & son are one (in the same mythology).
Fact; much is plagiarized from the OT and it's characters and roles blatantly stolen.
Examples: claiming the roles of Michael to remove the Devil and act as Judge on Judgement day they magically give to Jesus even though that contradicts the OT & NT and their own ministry texts.
Fact: the guy who could heal, raise the dead, come back has never ever done so outside the self testified fallacious story from the archaic age whereby people thought spirits came out their nose when they sneazed.
By you claiming Jesus a spirit you are
saying Jesus is a mere snot coming out their nose during a winter cold.

Sources:
now housed in the British
Museum 700bc tablets in which the Babylonian myth of Bel (Baal in
Hebrew) is described in a passion play in which:
(1) Bel is taken prisoner;
(2) Bel is tried in a great hall;
(3) Bel is smitten;
(4) Bel is led away to the Mount (a sacred grove on a
hilltop);
(5) with Bel are taken two malefactors, one of whom is
released;
(6) After Bel has gone to the Mount and is executed,
the city breaks into tumult;
(7) Bel's clothes are carried away;
(8.) Bel goes down into the Mount and disappears from
life;
(9) weeping women seek Bel at the Tomb;
(10) Bel is brought back to life.
discovery of the tablet was
in Nineveh in Assyria, and its dated
as 700 B.C.
The Bel myth does in
fact have mythical elements including death and
resurrection which parallel the Jesus myth and thus are
forerunners of mythical elements in the Jesus myth.
The stone tablet discovered in Nineveh, Assyria
dated 700 B.C. is now housed in The British Museum,
and referred to by British Museum officials as the
Marduk's Ordeal tablet and not referred to as the Baal passion play as others refer to it.
Remember itcs the NT itself that reveals the punchline at the end of the joke, in Rev 22:16 Jesus is deemed Baal's son (morning star) which is why they use Baal's Dec 25th birthdate, Baal sun cross, and Harvest seed scams.

"When Jews began to think about their own history, they had to consider him as part of it. Sporadic references to Jesus in the Talmud are less than complimentary. The host of nineteenth-century scholars who investigated Jesus included the Jewish historians Heinrich Graetz and Abraham Geiger. The British Jew Claude Montefiore wrote a two-volume commentary on the Synoptic gospels in the early part of this century, and What A Jew Thinks about Jesus, published in 1935. The Lithuanian Jew Joseph Klausner wrote Jesus of Nazareth in Hebrew in 1922. Translated into several languages, it is still the best-know book on Jesus by a Jew and is quoted approvingly in John Meier's widely praised 1994 volume on Jesus. More recently, other Jews have written on Jesus, including Samuel Samuel, Geza Vermes, Jacob Neusner, and Paula Fredriksen."

Jesus Many Faces - The Historical Jesus | From Jesus To Christ | FRONTLINE | PBS

 

[HaShev]

missing 240,000 pieces of claimed evidence

You managed to show everyone that you
1)lie about the amount of evidence
2)lie about it being evidence

I can say there is similar Papyrus on Zeus or other fictitious characters and libraries full of fiction texts and that does not show an historical figure. Which you notice you've yet to name in their OWN SINGULAR HISTORICAL HEBREW NAME.

Fact: scholars and historians and archeologists say the NT is compiled from an earlier central source called Q.
Fact:the NT says you'd all be deceived claiming he was the christ and deceiving even th elect. All your sources use self testified text that says they'd be deceived, so they grew up in the deception as if it was truth, because that was their truth as far as they the deceived knew it , because you are only as good as your
(admittingly deceptive) source.
The deception begot deception thereafter hence your long list lineage of deception.
Once ypu pass the story down the line tainted thereaftr all is tainted and the end story is nowhere like the beginning (pass the story down the line syndrom).
Facts: the NT claims different followers are following different christs then they.
Facts: the NT mentions the other christs
and mysteriously get their sequence of death thus eras wrong.
Fact: the NT has over 50 thousand eras and lies and contradictions.
Fact: the NT never names this characters holy father (because it would hinder beinging all cultures into one fold under one world religion Rome was creating using this compiled mythology.
Fact; every oral tradition about Jesus c0ntradicts the NT exampleg saying he lived to 33 when John says closer to 50.
Saying he's from Nazareth a town not yet built by Roman soldiers till 90ad when the NT says his home town was Capernaum.
Fact: the death scene is stolen from predated Baal Tablets hence why they say father & son are one (in the same mythology).
Fact; much is plagiarized from the OT and it's characters and roles blatantly stolen.
Examples: claiming the roles of Michael to remove the Devil and act as Judge on Judgement day they magically give to Jesus even though that contradicts the OT & NT and their own ministry texts.
Fact: the guy who could heal, raise the dead, come back has never ever done so outside the self testified fallacious story from the archaic age whereby people thought spirits came out their nose when they sneazed.
By you claiming Jesus a spirit you are
saying Jesus is a mere snot coming out their nose during a winter cold.

Sources:
now housed in the British
Museum 700bc tablets in which the Babylonian myth of Bel (Baal in
Hebrew) is described in a passion play in which:
(1) Bel is taken prisoner;
(2) Bel is tried in a great hall;
(3) Bel is smitten;
(4) Bel is led away to the Mount (a sacred grove on a
hilltop);
(5) with Bel are taken two malefactors, one of whom is
released;
(6) After Bel has gone to the Mount and is executed,
the city breaks into tumult;
(7) Bel's clothes are carried away;
(8.) Bel goes down into the Mount and disappears from
life;
(9) weeping women seek Bel at the Tomb;
(10) Bel is brought back to life.
discovery of the tablet was
in Nineveh in Assyria, and its dated
as 700 B.C.
The Bel myth does in
fact have mythical elements including death and
resurrection which parallel the Jesus myth and thus are
forerunners of mythical elements in the Jesus myth.
The stone tablet discovered in Nineveh, Assyria
dated 700 B.C. is now housed in The British Museum,
and referred to by British Museum officials as the
Marduk's Ordeal tablet and not referred to as the Baal passion play as others refer to it.
Remember itcs the NT itself that reveals the punchline at the end of the joke, in Rev 22:16 Jesus is deemed Baal's son (morning star) which is why they use Baal's Dec 25th birthdate, Baal sun cross, and Harvest seed scams.

"When Jews began to think about their own history, they had to consider him as part of it. Sporadic references to Jesus in the Talmud are less than complimentary. The host of nineteenth-century scholars who investigated Jesus included the Jewish historians Heinrich Graetz and Abraham Geiger. The British Jew Claude Montefiore wrote a two-volume commentary on the Synoptic gospels in the early part of this century, and What A Jew Thinks about Jesus, published in 1935. The Lithuanian Jew Joseph Klausner wrote Jesus of Nazareth in Hebrew in 1922. Translated into several languages, it is still the best-know book on Jesus by a Jew and is quoted approvingly in John Meier's widely praised 1994 volume on Jesus. More recently, other Jews have written on Jesus, including Samuel Samuel, Geza Vermes, Jacob Neusner, and Paula Fredriksen."

Jesus Many Faces - The Historical Jesus | From Jesus To Christ | FRONTLINE | PBS

You obviously didn't get that my post was a checkmate.
BECAUSE:
To deny it would be to say your NT lied in saying 1/3 Would be deceived and fall with Lucifer.
You'd also call Jesus a liar when he said many would come in his name (representing his teachings) saying he is the Christ ('cause he's speaking "I" means him not another) and deceiving many.
You've been lied to about tenses throughout the Bible and your poor reading skills in regards to tenses like singular or plural, past present or future, third person or first person tense destroyed your ability to discern fact from fallacious claims. Not knowing Hebrew and proper transliteration also caused you to blot out the name of the Shiloh while devoting to a name never known in the Bible.
Furthermore ypu 9gnore historical records of predated mythologies plagiarised to create the image you call Jesus. Especially you keep avoiding the Baal issue.
Remember it is your own bible that says the number of the fallen one's name is 666.
Baal Jesus=666 in ASCll numerology used to secret numbers from names.
It is your own text that says Jesus is the fallen one Acts 2:27, 1 peter 3:19, Apostles creed, and morning star symbolised the fall of arch Lucifer as the fallen arc of the planet Venus -
Rev 22:16.

Ironically you posted sources just now that actually name someone else as Moshiach and you also posted some other accidental clues without realizing it.
In other words one of those guys claims Michael (the Evening Star) is the Moshiach of the Bible. Jesus is claimed the adversary of the Evening Star at the end of the Roman joke-Rev 22:16.

 

[ding]

missing 240,000 pieces of claimed evidence

You managed to show everyone that you
1)lie about the amount of evidence
2)lie about it being evidence

I can say there is similar Papyrus on Zeus or other fictitious characters and libraries full of fiction texts and that does not show an historical figure. Which you notice you've yet to name in their OWN SINGULAR HISTORICAL HEBREW NAME.

Fact: scholars and historians and archeologists say the NT is compiled from an earlier central source called Q.
Fact:the NT says you'd all be deceived claiming he was the christ and deceiving even th elect. All your sources use self testified text that says they'd be deceived, so they grew up in the deception as if it was truth, because that was their truth as far as they the deceived knew it , because you are only as good as your
(admittingly deceptive) source.
The deception begot deception thereafter hence your long list lineage of deception.
Once ypu pass the story down the line tainted thereaftr all is tainted and the end story is nowhere like the beginning (pass the story down the line syndrom).
Facts: the NT claims different followers are following different christs then they.
Facts: the NT mentions the other christs
and mysteriously get their sequence of death thus eras wrong.
Fact: the NT has over 50 thousand eras and lies and contradictions.
Fact: the NT never names this characters holy father (because it would hinder beinging all cultures into one fold under one world religion Rome was creating using this compiled mythology.
Fact; every oral tradition about Jesus c0ntradicts the NT exampleg saying he lived to 33 when John says closer to 50.
Saying he's from Nazareth a town not yet built by Roman soldiers till 90ad when the NT says his home town was Capernaum.
Fact: the death scene is stolen from predated Baal Tablets hence why they say father & son are one (in the same mythology).
Fact; much is plagiarized from the OT and it's characters and roles blatantly stolen.
Examples: claiming the roles of Michael to remove the Devil and act as Judge on Judgement day they magically give to Jesus even though that contradicts the OT & NT and their own ministry texts.
Fact: the guy who could heal, raise the dead, come back has never ever done so outside the self testified fallacious story from the archaic age whereby people thought spirits came out their nose when they sneazed.
By you claiming Jesus a spirit you are
saying Jesus is a mere snot coming out their nose during a winter cold.

Sources:
now housed in the British
Museum 700bc tablets in which the Babylonian myth of Bel (Baal in
Hebrew) is described in a passion play in which:
(1) Bel is taken prisoner;
(2) Bel is tried in a great hall;
(3) Bel is smitten;
(4) Bel is led away to the Mount (a sacred grove on a
hilltop);
(5) with Bel are taken two malefactors, one of whom is
released;
(6) After Bel has gone to the Mount and is executed,
the city breaks into tumult;
(7) Bel's clothes are carried away;
(8.) Bel goes down into the Mount and disappears from
life;
(9) weeping women seek Bel at the Tomb;
(10) Bel is brought back to life.
discovery of the tablet was
in Nineveh in Assyria, and its dated
as 700 B.C.
The Bel myth does in
fact have mythical elements including death and
resurrection which parallel the Jesus myth and thus are
forerunners of mythical elements in the Jesus myth.
The stone tablet discovered in Nineveh, Assyria
dated 700 B.C. is now housed in The British Museum,
and referred to by British Museum officials as the
Marduk's Ordeal tablet and not referred to as the Baal passion play as others refer to it.
Remember itcs the NT itself that reveals the punchline at the end of the joke, in Rev 22:16 Jesus is deemed Baal's son (morning star) which is why they use Baal's Dec 25th birthdate, Baal sun cross, and Harvest seed scams.

"When Jews began to think about their own history, they had to consider him as part of it. Sporadic references to Jesus in the Talmud are less than complimentary. The host of nineteenth-century scholars who investigated Jesus included the Jewish historians Heinrich Graetz and Abraham Geiger. The British Jew Claude Montefiore wrote a two-volume commentary on the Synoptic gospels in the early part of this century, and What A Jew Thinks about Jesus, published in 1935. The Lithuanian Jew Joseph Klausner wrote Jesus of Nazareth in Hebrew in 1922. Translated into several languages, it is still the best-know book on Jesus by a Jew and is quoted approvingly in John Meier's widely praised 1994 volume on Jesus. More recently, other Jews have written on Jesus, including Samuel Samuel, Geza Vermes, Jacob Neusner, and Paula Fredriksen."

Jesus Many Faces - The Historical Jesus | From Jesus To Christ | FRONTLINE | PBS

You obviously didn't get that my post was a checkmate.
BECAUSE:
To deny it would be to say your NT lied in saying 1/3 Would be deceived and fall with Lucifer.
You'd also call Jesus a liar when he said many would come in his name (representing his teachings) saying he is the Christ ('cause he's speaking "I" means him not another) and deceiving many.
You've been lied to about tenses throughout the Bible and your poor reading skills in regards to tenses like singular or plural, past present or future, third person or first person tense destroyed your ability to discern fact from fallacious claims. Not knowing Hebrew and proper transliteration also caused you to blot out the name of the Shiloh while devoting to a name never known in the Bible.
Furthermore ypu 9gnore historical records of predated mythologies plagiarised to create the image you call Jesus. Especially you keep avoiding the Baal issue.
Remember it is your own bible that says the number of the fallen one's name is 666.
Baal Jesus=666 in ASCll numerology used to secret numbers from names.
It is your own text that says Jesus is the fallen one Acts 2:27, 1 peter 3:19, Apostles creed, and morning star symbolised the fall of arch Lucifer as the fallen arc of the planet Venus -
Rev 22:16.

Ironically you posted sources just now that actually name someone else as Moshiach and you also posted some other accidental clues without realizing it.
In other words one of those guys claims Michael (the Evening Star) is the Moshiach of the Bible. Jesus is claimed the adversary of the Evening Star at the end of the Roman joke-Rev 22:16.

No. I didn't get that your post was a checkmate. Obviously it wasn't because I am still here. You keep referencing ancient texts that were written hundreds and thousands of years before Jesus existed and Christian texts which you don't believe and intentionally misrepresent and I'll keep posting views of Jewish writers who wrote about Jesus after his ministry. Fair enough?

"Jewish writers typically separated Jesus the Jew from the Christianity that incorporated him, approving of the former but disliking the latter. They have often characterized him as simply another Jewish holy man, unexceptional beyond his later public-relations image, or so unlike Jewish expectations of a Messiah as to make his lack of acceptance by most early Jews utterly unsurprising. The present generation draws a bold line between Jesus the Jew and Christianity's picture of him. Just as earlier generations of scholars often separated Jesus from his Judaism, present-day scholars, Jewish and Christian, distance him from the Christianity that claimed him."

Jesus Many Faces - The Historical Jesus | From Jesus To Christ | FRONTLINE | PBS

 

[HaShev]

What Jewish historians in that time period?
Remember everything after is deception least you admit you disregard your own texts and icons claimed words.
That's called Checkmate, because I made you deny your own source.
When you are willing to throw Jesus and the NT under the bus to save face then you lose your game. Sure you are still hanging around, pretending there is no Baal Tablet and pretending the game isn't over.
Sort of like the kids are hanging in the streets who think the election isn't over. *L*
THE GAME WAS OVER WHEN I SHOWED UP, THE GAME BECAME HILLARIOUS WHEN YOU NAMED A SOURCE THAT AGREES WITH ME. ;-)

 

[Campbell]

This is incontrovertible proof that God is evil. God does not live by his own golden rule.


God kills when he could just as easily cure. This is irrefutable.


This is a clear violation of the golden rule. The golden rule as articulated by Jesus.


God then is clearly evil.


Do you agree with Jesus that anyone who breaks the golden rule is evil?


Regards

DL

You just articulated why Jesus can't be God and why God can't be a man nor form.
It only makes sense if you teach the power and source of life as an Essence.

How does that prove that Jesus is not consubstantial?

God murdered his own son.

He also turned a woman into a slab of salt for just looking back. If you believe the bible god should be an active criminal on big city streets. Let's see....was it Abraham that he commanded to behead his first son?

 

[ding]

What Jewish historians in that time period?
Remember everything after is deception least you admit you disregard your own texts and icons claimed words.
That's called Checkmate, because I made you deny your own source.
When you are willing to throw Jesus and the NT under the bus to save face then you lose your game. Sure you are still hanging around, pretending there is no Baal Tablet and pretending the game isn't over.
Sort of like the kids are hanging in the streets who think the election isn't over. *L*
THE GAME WAS OVER WHEN I SHOWED UP, THE GAME BECAME HILLARIOUS WHEN YOU NAMED A SOURCE THAT AGREES WITH ME. ;-)

Sorry don't see it that way. I think I'll continue on. Fair enough?

"The last few years have seen an explosion of books on the historical Jesus.

A recent browse in my local seminary bookstore turned up seven books on Jesus published in 1994. The second volume of John Meier's trilogy on the historical Jesus, A Marginal Jew, more than 1,000 pages in length, was already sold out. Last year, two scholars, a Jew and a Christian, packed an auditorium at Fordham University with their topic, "the Jewishness of Jesus" The April 1995 issue of Theology Today is devoted to this scholarly debate.

Popular works, such as Barbara Thiering's fanciful Jesus the Man or A.N. Wilson's idiosyncratic Jesus drew much publicity, but had no impact on the scholarly world. A number of Wilson's innovations are commonplace to scholars, and the speculative reconstructions Thiering and Wilson offer are not grounded in responsible methodology or common sense.

But even the more sober works have found a popular audience. Meier's book, even with its copious footnotes, is a case in point. John Dominic Crossan recently published Jesus: A Revolutionary Biography, a more popular and readable version of his densely-packed scholarly work, The Historical Jesus: The Life of a Mediterranean Jewish Peasant, but the original itself sold more than 50,000 copies. Marcus Borg, in frequent demand as a lecturer, recently published a popular work, Meeting Jesus Again for the First Time, which stems from his scholarly work, Jesus, A New Vision. Last year, HarperCollins and the Trinity Institute sponsored a discussion between Borg, Crossan, and another Jesus scholar, Burton Mack, that was broadcast to churches and colleges across the country."

Jesus Many Faces - The Historical Jesus | From Jesus To Christ | FRONTLINE | PBS

 

[hobelim]

THE GAME WAS OVER WHEN I SHOWED UP,

lol....


Nonsense. You are just one more in a very long list of false self indulgent delusional messiahs..

I hate to break the news to you but you will never slaughter even one farm animal in any glorified slaughterhouse dedicated to the Lord in Jerusalem.

Don't take it too hard. You could always host a yard sale and bring your own plate barbecue in your back yard and sell off all of those worthless Temple trinkets that you have accumulated..

 

[HaShev]

What Jewish historians in that time period?
Remember everything after is deception least you admit you disregard your own texts and icons claimed words.
That's called Checkmate, because I made you deny your own source.
When you are willing to throw Jesus and the NT under the bus to save face then you lose your game. Sure you are still hanging around, pretending there is no Baal Tablet and pretending the game isn't over.
Sort of like the kids are hanging in the streets who think the election isn't over. *L*
THE GAME WAS OVER WHEN I SHOWED UP, THE GAME BECAME HILLARIOUS WHEN YOU NAMED A SOURCE THAT AGREES WITH ME. ;-)

Sorry don't see it that way. I think I'll continue on. Fair enough?

"The last few years have seen an explosion of books on the historical Jesus.

A recent browse in my local seminary bookstore turned up seven books on Jesus published in 1994. The second volume of John Meier's trilogy on the historical Jesus, A Marginal Jew, more than 1,000 pages in length, was already sold out. Last year, two scholars, a Jew and a Christian, packed an auditorium at Fordham University with their topic, "the Jewishness of Jesus" The April 1995 issue of Theology Today is devoted to this scholarly debate.

Popular works, such as Barbara Thiering's fanciful Jesus the Man or A.N. Wilson's idiosyncratic Jesus drew much publicity, but had no impact on the scholarly world. A number of Wilson's innovations are commonplace to scholars, and the speculative reconstructions Thiering and Wilson offer are not grounded in responsible methodology or common sense.

But even the more sober works have found a popular audience. Meier's book, even with its copious footnotes, is a case in point. John Dominic Crossan recently published Jesus: A Revolutionary Biography, a more popular and readable version of his densely-packed scholarly work, The Historical Jesus: The Life of a Mediterranean Jewish Peasant, but the original itself sold more than 50,000 copies. Marcus Borg, in frequent demand as a lecturer, recently published a popular work, Meeting Jesus Again for the First Time, which stems from his scholarly work, Jesus, A New Vision. Last year, HarperCollins and the Trinity Institute sponsored a discussion between Borg, Crossan, and another Jesus scholar, Burton Mack, that was broadcast to churches and colleges across the country."

Jesus Many Faces - The Historical Jesus | From Jesus To Christ | FRONTLINE | PBS

Seriously? You are naming all Christians (the fallen ones) as your self testified source?
All of which use portions of the various christ figures along with the deception of the mythical Jesus, because as I said, everything after the image is created and history changed becomes tainted (deceived).
The NT itself wrote that the Sun revolved around the earth, and many books or claims followed that mistaken truth until it was revealed. People were tortured by fire to denounce the actual truth, so how cpuld people write a flat earth and sun revolving around the earth unless deception and mistakes begot mistakes and lies passed down thereafter. But to torture people who were right all along? This is why Israel is the Suffering servant In Isaiah 53 as through history. In fact it's the Miketz portion of the Torah, which discusses this suffering to being proven right all along syndrom.
Helps to know Hebrew; MIKEtz-
(Ketz; lit., `end': a particularly auspicious time for Mashiach to bring the exile to an end)
Which is why it says Moshiach's name is in the Torah portions. It is Michael who
brings "the RETURN".
The Groom
In Judaism the bride get's married/ in union With the groom at
Night (Evening Star=Michael).
Christians are the bride by Day (morning star Lucifer-rev 22:16).

The Groom is Michael in Torah Comentary:
The Maharal of Prague says that this is the secret of Yerushalayim: that Yerushalayim is the joining together of the groom and the bride. Anyone who gladdens the groom and the bride is considered as if he built up one of the ruins of Yerushalayim. When the groom and bride are joined together, then one of the ruins of Yerushalayim is put together again. The bride is the 216; she is the gevurot, and the groom is the “shaleim,” the completion. He bestows completion on the bride, which are the 370 masculine spiritual lights. The Maharal says that Rav Shmuel bar Nachmeini said: "The groom is Michael".

This is why they say the temple (MIKdash) is in his name, and that the name would be in
the MIKra (the Bible), and that his name and essence would be in the Holy city yeruShalem which name is secreted in the original Canaanite transliteration.
It's also why they said the names would be in the Torah portion Like Miketz and ****(hidden).

 

[ding]

What Jewish historians in that time period?
Remember everything after is deception least you admit you disregard your own texts and icons claimed words.
That's called Checkmate, because I made you deny your own source.
When you are willing to throw Jesus and the NT under the bus to save face then you lose your game. Sure you are still hanging around, pretending there is no Baal Tablet and pretending the game isn't over.
Sort of like the kids are hanging in the streets who think the election isn't over. *L*
THE GAME WAS OVER WHEN I SHOWED UP, THE GAME BECAME HILLARIOUS WHEN YOU NAMED A SOURCE THAT AGREES WITH ME. ;-)

Sorry don't see it that way. I think I'll continue on. Fair enough?

"The last few years have seen an explosion of books on the historical Jesus.

A recent browse in my local seminary bookstore turned up seven books on Jesus published in 1994. The second volume of John Meier's trilogy on the historical Jesus, A Marginal Jew, more than 1,000 pages in length, was already sold out. Last year, two scholars, a Jew and a Christian, packed an auditorium at Fordham University with their topic, "the Jewishness of Jesus" The April 1995 issue of Theology Today is devoted to this scholarly debate.

Popular works, such as Barbara Thiering's fanciful Jesus the Man or A.N. Wilson's idiosyncratic Jesus drew much publicity, but had no impact on the scholarly world. A number of Wilson's innovations are commonplace to scholars, and the speculative reconstructions Thiering and Wilson offer are not grounded in responsible methodology or common sense.

But even the more sober works have found a popular audience. Meier's book, even with its copious footnotes, is a case in point. John Dominic Crossan recently published Jesus: A Revolutionary Biography, a more popular and readable version of his densely-packed scholarly work, The Historical Jesus: The Life of a Mediterranean Jewish Peasant, but the original itself sold more than 50,000 copies. Marcus Borg, in frequent demand as a lecturer, recently published a popular work, Meeting Jesus Again for the First Time, which stems from his scholarly work, Jesus, A New Vision. Last year, HarperCollins and the Trinity Institute sponsored a discussion between Borg, Crossan, and another Jesus scholar, Burton Mack, that was broadcast to churches and colleges across the country."

Jesus Many Faces - The Historical Jesus | From Jesus To Christ | FRONTLINE | PBS

Seriously? You are naming all Christians (the fallen ones) as your self testified source?
All of which use portions of the various christ figures along with the deception of the mythical Jesus, because as I said, everything after the image is created and history changed becomes tainted (deceived).
The NT itself wrote that the Sun revolved around the earth, and many books or claims followed that mistaken truth until it was revealed. People were tortured by fire to denounce the actual truth, so how cpuld people write a flat earth and sun revolving around the earth unless deception and mistakes begot mistakes and lies passed down thereafter. But to torture people who were right all along? This is why Israel is the Suffering servant In Isaiah 53 as through history. In fact it's the Miketz portion of the Torah, which discusses this suffering to being proven right all along syndrom.
Helps to know Hebrew; MIKEtz-
(Ketz; lit., `end': a particularly auspicious time for Mashiach to bring the exile to an end)
Which is why it says Moshiach's name is in the Torah portions. It is Michael who
brings "the RETURN".
The Groom
In Judaism the bride get's married/ in union With the groom at
Night (Evening Star=Michael).
Christians are the bride by Day (morning star Lucifer-rev 22:16).

The Groom is Michael in Torah Comentary:
The Maharal of Prague says that this is the secret of Yerushalayim: that Yerushalayim is the joining together of the groom and the bride. Anyone who gladdens the groom and the bride is considered as if he built up one of the ruins of Yerushalayim. When the groom and bride are joined together, then one of the ruins of Yerushalayim is put together again. The bride is the 216; she is the gevurot, and the groom is the “shaleim,” the completion. He bestows completion on the bride, which are the 370 masculine spiritual lights. The Maharal says that Rav Shmuel bar Nachmeini said: "The groom is Michael".

This is why they say the temple (MIKdash) is in his name, and that the name would be in
the MIKra (the Bible), and that his name and essence would be in the Holy city yeruShalem which name is secreted in the original Canaanite transliteration.
It's also why they said the names would be in the Torah portion Like Miketz and ****(hidden).

"Both the church and academia have gotten along successfully without the historical Jesus for centuries. The historical Jesus, the human being who walked the roads of ancient Israel, gathered disciples, and was executed by the Romans, is often contrasted with the "Christ of faith," a supra-historical figure whose presence in the world enlivens and nourishes Christian communities. The latter has always been far more important for most Christians.

Why is there so much attention now to the person of Jesus? Is it part of our interest in people's private stories, an impulse that multiplies talk shows and sells People magazine? Is it our need to humanize our heroes to make them more accessible? Is it part of the search for roots, and our desire to reclaim our pasts in a way that contributes meaning to our present? Is it simply part of humankind's enduring interest in religion, which takes many forms, but never really fades? The answer is probably a bit of each.

In fact, the current wave of books constitutes a third quest for the historical Jesus. The first largely Protestant quest -- from the late eighteenth to the late nineteenth century -- breathed the air of the Enlightenment, presenting Jesus in utterly rational terms, explaining his miracles as natural phenomena, and depicting him as a teacher of timeless wisdom. It came to a close with Albert Schweitzer's book, The Quest for the Historical Jesus, published in 1906. He concluded that the historical Jesus must be a "stranger and an enigma." The Jesus designed by nineteenth-century rationalists never had any existence. Furthermore, what little we could know about this Jesus was irrelevant to theology. Jesus means something to our world because a mighty spiritual force streams forth from Him and flows through our time also," wrote Schweitzer, "This fact can neither be shaken nor confirmed by any historical discovery." The current generation of Jesus researchers have similarly bracketed questions of theology."

Jesus Many Faces - The Historical Jesus | From Jesus To Christ | FRONTLINE | PBS

 

[HaShev]

What Jewish historians in that time period?
Remember everything after is deception least you admit you disregard your own texts and icons claimed words.
That's called Checkmate, because I made you deny your own source.
When you are willing to throw Jesus and the NT under the bus to save face then you lose your game. Sure you are still hanging around, pretending there is no Baal Tablet and pretending the game isn't over.
Sort of like the kids are hanging in the streets who think the election isn't over. *L*
THE GAME WAS OVER WHEN I SHOWED UP, THE GAME BECAME HILLARIOUS WHEN YOU NAMED A SOURCE THAT AGREES WITH ME. ;-)

Sorry don't see it that way. I think I'll continue on. Fair enough?

"The last few years have seen an explosion of books on the historical Jesus.

A recent browse in my local seminary bookstore turned up seven books on Jesus published in 1994. The second volume of John Meier's trilogy on the historical Jesus, A Marginal Jew, more than 1,000 pages in length, was already sold out. Last year, two scholars, a Jew and a Christian, packed an auditorium at Fordham University with their topic, "the Jewishness of Jesus" The April 1995 issue of Theology Today is devoted to this scholarly debate.

Popular works, such as Barbara Thiering's fanciful Jesus the Man or A.N. Wilson's idiosyncratic Jesus drew much publicity, but had no impact on the scholarly world. A number of Wilson's innovations are commonplace to scholars, and the speculative reconstructions Thiering and Wilson offer are not grounded in responsible methodology or common sense.

But even the more sober works have found a popular audience. Meier's book, even with its copious footnotes, is a case in point. John Dominic Crossan recently published Jesus: A Revolutionary Biography, a more popular and readable version of his densely-packed scholarly work, The Historical Jesus: The Life of a Mediterranean Jewish Peasant, but the original itself sold more than 50,000 copies. Marcus Borg, in frequent demand as a lecturer, recently published a popular work, Meeting Jesus Again for the First Time, which stems from his scholarly work, Jesus, A New Vision. Last year, HarperCollins and the Trinity Institute sponsored a discussion between Borg, Crossan, and another Jesus scholar, Burton Mack, that was broadcast to churches and colleges across the country."

Jesus Many Faces - The Historical Jesus | From Jesus To Christ | FRONTLINE | PBS

Seriously? You are naming all Christians (the fallen ones) as your self testified source?
All of which use portions of the various christ figures along with the deception of the mythical Jesus, because as I said, everything after the image is created and history changed becomes tainted (deceived).
The NT itself wrote that the Sun revolved around the earth, and many books or claims followed that mistaken truth until it was revealed. People were tortured by fire to denounce the actual truth, so how cpuld people write a flat earth and sun revolving around the earth unless deception and mistakes begot mistakes and lies passed down thereafter. But to torture people who were right all along? This is why Israel is the Suffering servant In Isaiah 53 as through history. In fact it's the Miketz portion of the Torah, which discusses this suffering to being proven right all along syndrom.
Helps to know Hebrew; MIKEtz-
(Ketz; lit., `end': a particularly auspicious time for Mashiach to bring the exile to an end)
Which is why it says Moshiach's name is in the Torah portions. It is Michael who
brings "the RETURN".
The Groom
In Judaism the bride get's married/ in union With the groom at
Night (Evening Star=Michael).
Christians are the bride by Day (morning star Lucifer-rev 22:16).

The Groom is Michael in Torah Comentary:
The Maharal of Prague says that this is the secret of Yerushalayim: that Yerushalayim is the joining together of the groom and the bride. Anyone who gladdens the groom and the bride is considered as if he built up one of the ruins of Yerushalayim. When the groom and bride are joined together, then one of the ruins of Yerushalayim is put together again. The bride is the 216; she is the gevurot, and the groom is the “shaleim,” the completion. He bestows completion on the bride, which are the 370 masculine spiritual lights. The Maharal says that Rav Shmuel bar Nachmeini said: "The groom is Michael".

This is why they say the temple (MIKdash) is in his name, and that the name would be in
the MIKra (the Bible), and that his name and essence would be in the Holy city yeruShalem which name is secreted in the original Canaanite transliteration.
It's also why they said the names would be in the Torah portion Like Miketz and ****(hidden).

"Both the church and academia have gotten along successfully without the historical Jesus for centuries. The historical Jesus, the human being who walked the roads of ancient Israel, gathered disciples, and was executed by the Romans, is often contrasted with the "Christ of faith," a supra-historical figure whose presence in the world enlivens and nourishes Christian communities. The latter has always been far more important for most Christians.

Why is there so much attention now to the person of Jesus? Is it part of our interest in people's private stories, an impulse that multiplies talk shows and sells People magazine? Is it our need to humanize our heroes to make them more accessible? Is it part of the search for roots, and our desire to reclaim our pasts in a way that contributes meaning to our present? Is it simply part of humankind's enduring interest in religion, which takes many forms, but never really fades? The answer is probably a bit of each.

In fact, the current wave of books constitutes a third quest for the historical Jesus. The first largely Protestant quest -- from the late eighteenth to the late nineteenth century -- breathed the air of the Enlightenment, presenting Jesus in utterly rational terms, explaining his miracles as natural phenomena, and depicting him as a teacher of timeless wisdom. It came to a close with Albert Schweitzer's book, The Quest for the Historical Jesus, published in 1906. He concluded that the historical Jesus must be a "stranger and an enigma." The Jesus designed by nineteenth-century rationalists never had any existence. Furthermore, what little we could know about this Jesus was irrelevant to theology. Jesus means something to our world because a mighty spiritual force streams forth from Him and flows through our time also," wrote Schweitzer, "This fact can neither be shaken nor confirmed by any historical discovery." The current generation of Jesus researchers have similarly bracketed questions of theology."

Jesus Many Faces - The Historical Jesus | From Jesus To Christ | FRONTLINE | PBS

How many times do I have to go over this;
That is not Jesus, each Christ had a name and you refuse to discuss your christ's name because you have a compiled image in Jesus that does not relate to any singular historical character. If you knew history you'd realize that your image came from many figures, mythsn and plagiarisms to fallaciously place him in texts. However the ruse gets exposed when in doing so they mistakingly fit him in things they would not want to place him in.
Also when you compile a figure you end up with more then one home town,
2 professions, eras that don't line up with the characters in the story, 2 recorded ages he lived to, 2 methods of death, 2 blames
Followers who argue that each is worshiping another christ then they (James and Paul think the other is worshiping another).
Then worst of all ypu prove me right when ypu swear he's in Zech 12:10.
Try reading the Tanakh version it clearly talks about 2 seperate people;
one you pierce, but mourn for the other =mistaking identity.
So Christianity's claims are that I am right, but you denounce your own religion to argue I'm wrong=that is called check mate, you killed your king through your own excuses.

I like to use a Seinfeld Show analogy of how compiled fabricated images are not historical just hecause they use real figures to create their personas.
analogy:
Larry David writes a Tv Pilot for Jerry Seinfeld, now Jerry in the TV show is loosely based on the real Jerry but since Larry David's sense of humor is in the comedic irony it's also Larry David making the Jerry image in the stories /scripts.
Now one could argue Jerry exists, but he's not the King of comedy without Larry David nor is TV Jerry an actual person. That could he argued.
Same with Kramer being based mostly on a friend of Larry David, but once again the TV Kramer is not special without Larry David.
HOWEVER here's where you guys mess up your logic; suppose you have George based on former comedic Tv and movie fictional Figures mixed with the quirks and stories of a few real figures like Gregory, GEOFFRY, AND Harry. These converged figures can't have their real names like Kramer and Jerry have, so they get a new name, new birthdate as well.
They have 3 jobs so the character needs his own new job or has all 3 jobs through the seasonsas he get's fired from each one. *L* Even George owes his image to the writer Larry David for even though George is written to he Italian, he shows the traits of the Jewish writer.
So now is George real, did George Castanza exist as a singular historical person?

 

[RWNJ]

Wow! I've never seen such complete ignorance about a subject in my life. Jesus is the Son of God. He died for our sins. If you believe in Him, and accept Him as Lord of your life, you will spend eternity in Heaven. That is the truth. Take it, or leave it. "Every knee shall bow, every tongue confess, that Jesus Christ is Lord." Believe it.

 

[HaShev]

Yeah and 50 million murders and thousands of wars later how is that Jesus scam working out for ya?
Let me know when you stop having Christian Hospitals, graveyards, mortuaries, stop carrying health insurance, and no longer have handicap parking at your churches, especially healing churches. *rolling my eyes*

 

[RWNJ]

Yeah and 50 million murders and thousands of wars later how is that Jesus scam working out for ya?
Let me know when you stop having Christian Hospitals, graveyards, mortuaries, stop carrying health insurance, and no longer have handicap parking at your churches, especially healing churches. *rolling my eyes*

God is laughing at you.

 

[HaShev]

God is not a man nor form, when's the last time you read the Torah?

Sources:
Isaiah 42:8 we can't pray to any image of anything physical- Exodus 20:3-7 and Deuteronomy 5:8-10
God is not a man nor form-(Isaiah 2:22, 14:13, I Samuel 15:29, Numbers 23:19, and Hosea 11:9, Deuteronomy 4:11-12 and the 13 major principles of the Jewish faith based on the Rambam's teaching of "ain lo demus haguf ve'ayno guf" -- that Hashem has no physical form.)

 

[RWNJ]

God is not a man nor form, when's the last time you read the Torah?

Sources:
Isaiah 42:8 we can't pray to any image of anything physical- Exodus 20:3-7 and Deuteronomy 5:8-10
God is not a man nor form-(Isaiah 2:22, 14:13, I Samuel 15:29, Numbers 23:19, and Hosea 11:9, Deuteronomy 4:11-12 and the 13 major principles of the Jewish faith based on the Rambam's teaching of "ain lo demus haguf ve'ayno guf" -- that Hashem has no physical form.)

That doesn't alter the fact that He is laughing at you.

 

[HaShev]

So Jesus (your god) is laughing at people instead of healing them? I rest my case and you proved the OP 100% right.

 

[RWNJ]

So Jesus (your god) is laughing at people instead of healing them? I rest my case and you proved the OP 100% right.

Have you ever been at your wits' end with a relative or a friend? You have tried over and over again to help that person come to their senses regarding their self-destructive behavior....but to no avail. Sometimes after you have cried all the tears you have to cry for someone, you find yourself shaking your head in bewilderment and even laughing at the foolishness of their reckless behavior.

Enter God, stage right. He creates man to enjoy loving fellowship with him. Man then rebels and pulls away from God. The Lord comes after man by giving His life on the cross to save those who have gone astray. Some people turn around and get right with God. Others press on in their rebellious ways....and some even slander their Creator with a dark heart and a foul mouth.

What is God to do with such wicked people? The Father gave His only Son as a sacrifice for our sins. What more do you want Him to do? Could you blame God if He responded with laughter when men openly mock their Maker?

Guess what? "The Lord laughs at the wicked, for He knows their day is coming." (Psalm 37:13)


Read more at Does God Really Laugh at the Wicked?

 

[HaShev]

Psalm 2:4-5
Be prepared to find out what that means.

He Who dwells in Heaven laughs; the Lord mocks them.
יוֹשֵׁב בַּשָּׁמַיִם יִשְׂחָק אֲדֹנָי יִלְעַג לָמוֹ :
Then He speaks to them in His wrath; and He frightens them with His sore displeasure.
אָז יְדַבֵּר אֵלֵימוֹ בְאַפּוֹ וּבַחֲרוֹנוֹ יְבַהֲלֵמוֹ :

 

[RWNJ]

Be prepared to find out what that means.

And just what is that supposed to mean?