Zone1 One reason secular Americans dislike "the Christian God" is... He's not "fully American"

[1miseryindex]

One reason secular Americans dislike "the Christian God" is... He's not "fully American"​

Me

Check this out about Moses... God's wrath... & God's punishment of sin

Americans tend to be pro-life (I know.. you liberals disagree. But this is not about abortion per se). In any case, most Americans don't believe in killing adults. Let's just say that.

So check out what God does to those who don't want to listen to his servant, Moses (hence the reason secular people don't like the Christian God, as they call Him). All emphasis is mine.


(from BibleHub website)

Moses besought the Lord his God, saying: Why, O Lord, is thy indignation enkindled against thy people, whom thou hast brought out of the land of Egypt, with great power, and with a mighty hand? 12Let not the Egyptians say, I beseech thee: He craftily brought them out, that he might kill them in the mountains, and destroy them from the earth: let thy anger cease, and be appeased upon the wickedness of thy people. 13Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou sworest by thy own self, saying: I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven: and this whole land that I have spoken of, I will give to your seed, and you shall possess it for ever: 14And the Lord was appeased from doing the evil which he had spoken against his people.

Moses Descends with the Tablets

15And Moses returned from the mount, carrying the two tables of the testimony in his hand, written on both sides, 16And made by the work of God; the writing also of God was graven in the tables. 17And Josue hearing the noise of the people shouting, said to Moses: The noise of battle is heard in the camp.

18But he answered: It is not the cry of men encouraging to fight, nor the shout of men compelling to flee: but I hear the voice of singers.

Moses Breaks the Tablets

19And when he came nigh to the camp, he saw the calf, and the dances: and being very angry, he threw the tables out of his hand, and broke them at the foot of the mount: 20And laying hold of the calf which they had made, he burnt it, and beat it to powder, which he strewed into water, and gave thereof to the children of Israel to drink.

21And he said to Aaron: What has this people done to thee, that thou shouldst bring upon them a most heinous sin? 22And he answered him: Let not my lord be offended; for thou knowest this people, that they are prone to evil. 23They said to me: make us gods, that may go before us; for as to this Moses, who brought us forth out of the land of Egypt, we know not what is befallen him. 24And I said to them: Which of you hath any gold? and they took and brought it to me; and I cast it into the fire, and this calf came out.

25And when Moses saw that the people were naked, (for Aaron had stripped them by occasion of the shame of the filth, and had set them naked among their enemies) 26Then standing in the gate of the camp, he said: If any man be on the Lord's side, let him join with me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him: 27And he said to them: Thus saith the Lord God of Israel: Put every man his sword upon his thigh: go, and return from gate to gate through the midst of the camp, and let every man kill his brother, and friend, and neighbour. 28And the sons of Levi did according to the words of Moses, and there were slain that day about three and twenty thousand men. 29And Moses said: You have consecrated your hands this day to the Lord, every man in his son and in his brother, that a blessing may be given to you.

Moses Intercedes for Israel

30And when the next day was come, Moses spoke to the people: You have sinned a very great sin: I will go up to the Lord, if by any means I may be able to entreat him for your crime. 31And returning to the Lord, he said: I beseech thee: this people hath sinned a heinous sin, and they have made to themselves gods of gold: either forgive them this trespass, 32Or if thou do not, strike me out of the book that thou hast written. 33And the Lord answered him: He that hath sinned against me, him will I strike out of my book: 34But go thou, and lead this people whither I have told thee: my angel shall go before thee. And I in the day of revenge will visit this sin also of theirs. 35The Lord therefore struck the people for the guilt, on occasion of the calf which Aaron had made.

 

[Woodznutz]

Those were bloody days all right.

 

[1miseryindex]

Those were bloody days all right.

In those days, it wasn't the innocent, unborn children being murdered by the millions

It was the guilty

But we've "evolved"....

 

[surada]

One reason secular Americans dislike "the Christian God" is... He's not "fully American"​

Me

Check this out about Moses... God's wrath... & God's punishment of sin

Americans tend to be pro-life (I know.. you liberals disagree. But this is not about abortion per se). In any case, most Americans don't believe in killing adults. Let's just say that.

So check out what God does to those who don't want to listen to his servant, Moses (hence the reason secular people don't like the Christian God, as they call Him). All emphasis is mine.


(from BibleHub website)

Moses besought the Lord his God, saying: Why, O Lord, is thy indignation enkindled against thy people, whom thou hast brought out of the land of Egypt, with great power, and with a mighty hand? 12Let not the Egyptians say, I beseech thee: He craftily brought them out, that he might kill them in the mountains, and destroy them from the earth: let thy anger cease, and be appeased upon the wickedness of thy people. 13Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou sworest by thy own self, saying: I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven: and this whole land that I have spoken of, I will give to your seed, and you shall possess it for ever: 14And the Lord was appeased from doing the evil which he had spoken against his people.

Moses Descends with the Tablets

15And Moses returned from the mount, carrying the two tables of the testimony in his hand, written on both sides, 16And made by the work of God; the writing also of God was graven in the tables. 17And Josue hearing the noise of the people shouting, said to Moses: The noise of battle is heard in the camp.

18But he answered: It is not the cry of men encouraging to fight, nor the shout of men compelling to flee: but I hear the voice of singers.

Moses Breaks the Tablets

19And when he came nigh to the camp, he saw the calf, and the dances: and being very angry, he threw the tables out of his hand, and broke them at the foot of the mount: 20And laying hold of the calf which they had made, he burnt it, and beat it to powder, which he strewed into water, and gave thereof to the children of Israel to drink.

21And he said to Aaron: What has this people done to thee, that thou shouldst bring upon them a most heinous sin? 22And he answered him: Let not my lord be offended; for thou knowest this people, that they are prone to evil. 23They said to me: make us gods, that may go before us; for as to this Moses, who brought us forth out of the land of Egypt, we know not what is befallen him. 24And I said to them: Which of you hath any gold? and they took and brought it to me; and I cast it into the fire, and this calf came out.

25And when Moses saw that the people were naked, (for Aaron had stripped them by occasion of the shame of the filth, and had set them naked among their enemies) 26Then standing in the gate of the camp, he said: If any man be on the Lord's side, let him join with me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him: 27And he said to them: Thus saith the Lord God of Israel: Put every man his sword upon his thigh: go, and return from gate to gate through the midst of the camp, and let every man kill his brother, and friend, and neighbour. 28And the sons of Levi did according to the words of Moses, and there were slain that day about three and twenty thousand men. 29And Moses said: You have consecrated your hands this day to the Lord, every man in his son and in his brother, that a blessing may be given to you.

Moses Intercedes for Israel

30And when the next day was come, Moses spoke to the people: You have sinned a very great sin: I will go up to the Lord, if by any means I may be able to entreat him for your crime. 31And returning to the Lord, he said: I beseech thee: this people hath sinned a heinous sin, and they have made to themselves gods of gold: either forgive them this trespass, 32Or if thou do not, strike me out of the book that thou hast written. 33And the Lord answered him: He that hath sinned against me, him will I strike out of my book: 34But go thou, and lead this people whither I have told thee: my angel shall go before thee. And I in the day of revenge will visit this sin also of theirs. 35The Lord therefore struck the people for the guilt, on occasion of the calf which Aaron had made.

Every culture has a version of Moses. There was no Exodus.

 

[FDR_Reagan]

Every culture has a version of Moses. There was no Exodus.

Hey, Imam-Surada! Anti-Bible liar

Your friend is Hitler’s GRAU Holocaust denier?

 

[cnm]

Every culture has a version of Moses.

No.

 

[surada]

No.

Yes they do.

 

[1miseryindex]

so what if every culture has some kind of Moses?

Does it logically follow from that that Moses is a fake or what?

 

[surada]

so what if every culture has some kind of Moses?

Does it logically follow from that that Moses is a fake or what?

Fake? Or a literary device to teach about redemption and God's mercy?

 

[1miseryindex]

Fake? Or a literary device to teach about redemption and God's mercy?

so the Israelites just wrote the Old Testament as allegory, not history?

garbage

 

[cnm]

Yes they do.

So whom is the Moses in Maori culture?

 

[surada]

so the Israelites just wrote the Old Testament as allegory, not history?

garbage

They borrowed poetry, laws, myths and morality tales from the cultures around them. They are the truth the way Aesop's Fables are truth.

 

[JustAGuy1]

They borrowed poetry, laws, myths and morality tales from the cultures around them. They are the truth the way Aesop's Fables are truth.

Meaning "your" Christianity is purely an academic exercise.

 

[crossbody]

Me

Check this out about Moses... God's wrath... & God's punishment of sin

Americans tend to be pro-life (I know.. you liberals disagree. But this is not about abortion per se). In any case, most Americans don't believe in killing adults. Let's just say that.

So check out what God does to those who don't want to listen to his servant, Moses (hence the reason secular people don't like the Christian God, as they call Him). All emphasis is mine.


(from BibleHub website)

Moses besought the Lord his God, saying: Why, O Lord, is thy indignation enkindled against thy people, whom thou hast brought out of the land of Egypt, with great power, and with a mighty hand? 12Let not the Egyptians say, I beseech thee: He craftily brought them out, that he might kill them in the mountains, and destroy them from the earth: let thy anger cease, and be appeased upon the wickedness of thy people. 13Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou sworest by thy own self, saying: I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven: and this whole land that I have spoken of, I will give to your seed, and you shall possess it for ever: 14And the Lord was appeased from doing the evil which he had spoken against his people.

Moses Descends with the Tablets

15And Moses returned from the mount, carrying the two tables of the testimony in his hand, written on both sides, 16And made by the work of God; the writing also of God was graven in the tables. 17And Josue hearing the noise of the people shouting, said to Moses: The noise of battle is heard in the camp.

18But he answered: It is not the cry of men encouraging to fight, nor the shout of men compelling to flee: but I hear the voice of singers.

Moses Breaks the Tablets

19And when he came nigh to the camp, he saw the calf, and the dances: and being very angry, he threw the tables out of his hand, and broke them at the foot of the mount: 20And laying hold of the calf which they had made, he burnt it, and beat it to powder, which he strewed into water, and gave thereof to the children of Israel to drink.

21And he said to Aaron: What has this people done to thee, that thou shouldst bring upon them a most heinous sin? 22And he answered him: Let not my lord be offended; for thou knowest this people, that they are prone to evil. 23They said to me: make us gods, that may go before us; for as to this Moses, who brought us forth out of the land of Egypt, we know not what is befallen him. 24And I said to them: Which of you hath any gold? and they took and brought it to me; and I cast it into the fire, and this calf came out.

25And when Moses saw that the people were naked, (for Aaron had stripped them by occasion of the shame of the filth, and had set them naked among their enemies) 26Then standing in the gate of the camp, he said: If any man be on the Lord's side, let him join with me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him: 27And he said to them: Thus saith the Lord God of Israel: Put every man his sword upon his thigh: go, and return from gate to gate through the midst of the camp, and let every man kill his brother, and friend, and neighbour. 28And the sons of Levi did according to the words of Moses, and there were slain that day about three and twenty thousand men. 29And Moses said: You have consecrated your hands this day to the Lord, every man in his son and in his brother, that a blessing may be given to you.

Moses Intercedes for Israel

30And when the next day was come, Moses spoke to the people: You have sinned a very great sin: I will go up to the Lord, if by any means I may be able to entreat him for your crime. 31And returning to the Lord, he said: I beseech thee: this people hath sinned a heinous sin, and they have made to themselves gods of gold: either forgive them this trespass, 32Or if thou do not, strike me out of the book that thou hast written. 33And the Lord answered him: He that hath sinned against me, him will I strike out of my book: 34But go thou, and lead this people whither I have told thee: my angel shall go before thee. And I in the day of revenge will visit this sin also of theirs. 35The Lord therefore struck the people for the guilt, on occasion of the calf which Aaron had made.

Thank you very much for posting this scripture. It was refreshing to read it. A few things stood out to me:

1. Aaron telling his brother Moses don't be offended/upset because the people are prone to evil. I'm wondering if Aaron was speaking of their sin nature.

2. How Moses equates a sin to that of a crime.

3. Moses tried to set parameters for God to obey. God tom down. Moses told God forgive them of their heinous sin of making a golden calf as their God or else strike me out of the book you have written. God has to set Moses straight letting him know that he that has sinned against me is who I will strike out of my book. Now you lead the people like I told you to do.

4. God speaks of a "Day Of Revenge" in which he will visit the sin they committed. He doesn't deal with their sin right away, but God puts it on His schedule to deal with at the appointed time. God eventually makes good on what he told Moses as to who it is he will strike as he struck the people for the sin of making the golden calf. Let's us know that God is God all by himself. He does not take orders from us. We take orders from him.

 

[crossbody]

One reason secular Americans dislike "the Christian God" is... He's not "fully American"​

I think one reason secular Americans dislike "the Christian God" is because they love sin. To them God is trying to still their sin(s) from them, and they hate that.

 

[ding]

There was no Exodus.

 

[surada]

Meaning "your" Christianity is purely an academic exercise.

The Bible is not science or history.. it's morality tales and teaching narrative.... to make us think about our relationship with God. I wouldn't say it was an academic exercise..more like a spiritual exercise.

 

[JustAGuy1]

The Bible is not science or history.. it's morality tales and teaching narrative.... to make us think about our relationship with God. I wouldn't say it was an academic exercise..more like a spiritual exercise.

I disagree.

 

[kjw47]

One reason secular Americans dislike "the Christian God" is... He's not "fully American"​

Me

Check this out about Moses... God's wrath... & God's punishment of sin

Americans tend to be pro-life (I know.. you liberals disagree. But this is not about abortion per se). In any case, most Americans don't believe in killing adults. Let's just say that.

So check out what God does to those who don't want to listen to his servant, Moses (hence the reason secular people don't like the Christian God, as they call Him). All emphasis is mine.


(from BibleHub website)

Moses besought the Lord his God, saying: Why, O Lord, is thy indignation enkindled against thy people, whom thou hast brought out of the land of Egypt, with great power, and with a mighty hand? 12Let not the Egyptians say, I beseech thee: He craftily brought them out, that he might kill them in the mountains, and destroy them from the earth: let thy anger cease, and be appeased upon the wickedness of thy people. 13Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou sworest by thy own self, saying: I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven: and this whole land that I have spoken of, I will give to your seed, and you shall possess it for ever: 14And the Lord was appeased from doing the evil which he had spoken against his people.

Moses Descends with the Tablets

15And Moses returned from the mount, carrying the two tables of the testimony in his hand, written on both sides, 16And made by the work of God; the writing also of God was graven in the tables. 17And Josue hearing the noise of the people shouting, said to Moses: The noise of battle is heard in the camp.

18But he answered: It is not the cry of men encouraging to fight, nor the shout of men compelling to flee: but I hear the voice of singers.

Moses Breaks the Tablets

19And when he came nigh to the camp, he saw the calf, and the dances: and being very angry, he threw the tables out of his hand, and broke them at the foot of the mount: 20And laying hold of the calf which they had made, he burnt it, and beat it to powder, which he strewed into water, and gave thereof to the children of Israel to drink.

21And he said to Aaron: What has this people done to thee, that thou shouldst bring upon them a most heinous sin? 22And he answered him: Let not my lord be offended; for thou knowest this people, that they are prone to evil. 23They said to me: make us gods, that may go before us; for as to this Moses, who brought us forth out of the land of Egypt, we know not what is befallen him. 24And I said to them: Which of you hath any gold? and they took and brought it to me; and I cast it into the fire, and this calf came out.

25And when Moses saw that the people were naked, (for Aaron had stripped them by occasion of the shame of the filth, and had set them naked among their enemies) 26Then standing in the gate of the camp, he said: If any man be on the Lord's side, let him join with me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him: 27And he said to them: Thus saith the Lord God of Israel: Put every man his sword upon his thigh: go, and return from gate to gate through the midst of the camp, and let every man kill his brother, and friend, and neighbour. 28And the sons of Levi did according to the words of Moses, and there were slain that day about three and twenty thousand men. 29And Moses said: You have consecrated your hands this day to the Lord, every man in his son and in his brother, that a blessing may be given to you.

Moses Intercedes for Israel

30And when the next day was come, Moses spoke to the people: You have sinned a very great sin: I will go up to the Lord, if by any means I may be able to entreat him for your crime. 31And returning to the Lord, he said: I beseech thee: this people hath sinned a heinous sin, and they have made to themselves gods of gold: either forgive them this trespass, 32Or if thou do not, strike me out of the book that thou hast written. 33And the Lord answered him: He that hath sinned against me, him will I strike out of my book: 34But go thou, and lead this people whither I have told thee: my angel shall go before thee. And I in the day of revenge will visit this sin also of theirs. 35The Lord therefore struck the people for the guilt, on occasion of the calf which Aaron had made.

News flash--From Moses on up until this very day, The Israelite religion teach, serve and worship= the Abrahamic God= a single being God= YHVH(Jehovah)=0 doubt in all creation.
Thus when Jesus attended those places of worship was taught, served and worshipped that God as was every bible writer--its 100% fact.

 

[irosie91]

One reason secular Americans dislike "the Christian God" is... He's not "fully American"​

Me

Check this out about Moses... God's wrath... & God's punishment of sin

Americans tend to be pro-life (I know.. you liberals disagree. But this is not about abortion per se). In any case, most Americans don't believe in killing adults. Let's just say that.

So check out what God does to those who don't want to listen to his servant, Moses (hence the reason secular people don't like the Christian God, as they call Him). All emphasis is mine.


(from BibleHub website)

Moses besought the Lord his God, saying: Why, O Lord, is thy indignation enkindled against thy people, whom thou hast brought out of the land of Egypt, with great power, and with a mighty hand? 12Let not the Egyptians say, I beseech thee: He craftily brought them out, that he might kill them in the mountains, and destroy them from the earth: let thy anger cease, and be appeased upon the wickedness of thy people. 13Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou sworest by thy own self, saying: I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven: and this whole land that I have spoken of, I will give to your seed, and you shall possess it for ever: 14And the Lord was appeased from doing the evil which he had spoken against his people.

Moses Descends with the Tablets

15And Moses returned from the mount, carrying the two tables of the testimony in his hand, written on both sides, 16And made by the work of God; the writing also of God was graven in the tables. 17And Josue hearing the noise of the people shouting, said to Moses: The noise of battle is heard in the camp.

18But he answered: It is not the cry of men encouraging to fight, nor the shout of men compelling to flee: but I hear the voice of singers.

Moses Breaks the Tablets

19And when he came nigh to the camp, he saw the calf, and the dances: and being very angry, he threw the tables out of his hand, and broke them at the foot of the mount: 20And laying hold of the calf which they had made, he burnt it, and beat it to powder, which he strewed into water, and gave thereof to the children of Israel to drink.

21And he said to Aaron: What has this people done to thee, that thou shouldst bring upon them a most heinous sin? 22And he answered him: Let not my lord be offended; for thou knowest this people, that they are prone to evil. 23They said to me: make us gods, that may go before us; for as to this Moses, who brought us forth out of the land of Egypt, we know not what is befallen him. 24And I said to them: Which of you hath any gold? and they took and brought it to me; and I cast it into the fire, and this calf came out.

25And when Moses saw that the people were naked, (for Aaron had stripped them by occasion of the shame of the filth, and had set them naked among their enemies) 26Then standing in the gate of the camp, he said: If any man be on the Lord's side, let him join with me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him: 27And he said to them: Thus saith the Lord God of Israel: Put every man his sword upon his thigh: go, and return from gate to gate through the midst of the camp, and let every man kill his brother, and friend, and neighbour. 28And the sons of Levi did according to the words of Moses, and there were slain that day about three and twenty thousand men. 29And Moses said: You have consecrated your hands this day to the Lord, every man in his son and in his brother, that a blessing may be given to you.

Moses Intercedes for Israel

30And when the next day was come, Moses spoke to the people: You have sinned a very great sin: I will go up to the Lord, if by any means I may be able to entreat him for your crime. 31And returning to the Lord, he said: I beseech thee: this people hath sinned a heinous sin, and they have made to themselves gods of gold: either forgive them this trespass, 32Or if thou do not, strike me out of the book that thou hast written. 33And the Lord answered him: He that hath sinned against me, him will I strike out of my book: 34But go thou, and lead this people whither I have told thee: my angel shall go before thee. And I in the day of revenge will visit this sin also of theirs. 35The Lord therefore struck the people for the guilt, on occasion of the calf which Aaron had made.

The literature is MAGNIFICENT (I could be accused of bias)