This is why obama must act against syria

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Obama should have made his decision long ago before going public. I have never seen a Commander-in-Chief who is privileged with all the intelligence, including CIA operatives, become so wishy washy indecisive into making a "leadership" stand. If you don't want to get involved in Syria, then keep your opinions to yourself and don't place yourself in that position by drawing a red line. He has all the resources available at his fingertips (information the general public doesn't have, nor should have, access to) to get whatever information he needs, he doesn't need POLL NUMBERS to make the choice for him. Stop giving those targets you mean to go after, ample time to know when or how you plan to strike. Jeez Mr. President, why not just give them a call and find out what hours works for them? How about sometime between noon and 4pm next Saturday?

 

[dilloduck]

Now Russia is threatening to up their arms sales to Iran...Obabble is asleep at the wheel.

So now you've flipped back over to supporting military action now that it appears Obama is no longer moving in that direction?

lol, you people are the perfect parodies.

Merely commenting on the mess Obama and Kerry have created. They've screwed things up so badly that they can't do anything right anymore. They can only chose the least worst.
Pitiful excuses for leaders.

 

[tyroneweaver]

Most rightwingers on this board would have loved to have gone to war against Syria, had Obama not been the president they'd have had to support had he done so.

That is the ONLY reason you are seeing all these born-again rightwing peaceniks on this board,

not counting the usual handful of Paulbot types.

So how fast can you run the hundred

 

[tyroneweaver]

Most rightwingers on this board would have loved to have gone to war against Syria, had Obama not been the president they'd have had to support had he done so.

That is the ONLY reason you are seeing all these born-again rightwing peaceniks on this board,

not counting the usual handful of Paulbot types.

hell ya, but obama and harry reid won't let us vote for war. dang

 

[dilloduck]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/10/opinion/a-syrians-cry-for-help.html?_r=0

"The primary perpetrator of violence is the government of Bashar al-Assad, which controls public resources, the media, the army and the intelligence services. The civilians who rose up against that regime, first peacefully and then through armed resistance, constitute a broad spectrum of Syrian society.

When a government murders its own citizens and they resist, this can hardly be called a civil war. It is a barbaric campaign of the first degree."

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My greatest hope is that syria is attacked and assad killed, and then on to iran...

What a bunch of shameless propaganda. Assad is being attacked by foreigners. He made it very clear over a year ago that he would use chemical weapons if he were attacked. What does the US do ? Support an attack.

 

[BlindBoo]

Now Russia is threatening to up their arms sales to Iran...Obabble is asleep at the wheel.

The one that they proposed in 2007 but cancelled in 2010 because of pressure from the US and Israel?

Hmmm any countries around Russia that we could sell some Patriot Missile batteries to?

 

[tinydancer]

It's becoming obvious that the US will refuse any diplomatic solution. The hawks want to hit Syria.

 

[LoneLaugher]

It's becoming obvious that the US will refuse any diplomatic solution. The hawks want to hit Syria.

Where in the fuck did you get that idea?

 

[tinydancer]

It's becoming obvious that the US will refuse any diplomatic solution. The hawks want to hit Syria.

Where in the fuck did you get that idea?

For starters:

It hasn’t taken long for the Obama administration war-hawks to cast aspersions on this new possibility of diplomatic resolution.

National Security Adviser Susan Rice called the offer “baloney."

Deputy National Security Adviser Tony Blinken called it a Russian “stalling tactic” and stressed, as many others have done, that “failure to act” (meaning “bomb”) will weaken the “international norm” against the use of chemical weapons.

Strangely, Blinken doesn't seem to think that allowing Israel to use white phosphorous as a weapon in the Gaza Strip, or tolerating the use of the same substance by the US military in Fallujah, weakened this “norm.”


For his part, President Obama described the Syrian government’s enthusiastic acceptance of Kerry’s accidental offer as a “potentially positive development,” begging the following question: in what morally defunct universe is the emergence of a diplomatic solution to a conflict merely “potentially” positive, as opposed to an unmitigated cause for celebration?




Op-Ed: Kerry's mistake forces Obama administration to consider diplomacy

 

[jgarden]

Alleged. No proof Assad used chemical weapons. Thanks for playing!

Unlike Iraq in 2002-2002, there really is no question that chemical weapons were used on civilians.

Assad's opponents simply don't have access to the technology to produce chemical weapons - even if they wanted them!

I suspect that at present Russia's Putin doesn't enjoy being aligned with a client state that used chemical weapons on 1300 of its own citizens - that's there for the world to see on You Tube!

If Assad falls, all hell could break loose in Syria, destabilizing Turkey, Iran and the former Russian republics of Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan.

 

[dilloduck]

Alleged. No proof Assad used chemical weapons. Thanks for playing!

Unlike Iraq in 2002-2002, there really is no question that chemical weapons were used on civilians.

Assad's opponents simply don't have access to the technology to produce chemical weapons - even if they wanted them!

Don't be an idiot------some other country can give it to them.

 

[tinydancer]

Alleged. No proof Assad used chemical weapons. Thanks for playing!

Unlike Iraq in 2002-2002, there really is no question that chemical weapons were used on civilians.

Assad's opponents simply don't have access to the technology to produce chemical weapons - even if they wanted them!

Turkey caught rebels carrying sarin trying to enter Syria. A UN inspector just a few months ago stated that they believed the rebels had used sarin in small amounts.

 

[deltex1]

This is no longer about the children gassed in Syria. It is now all about preventing (postponing) Obabbles transformation into the worlds first perfect asshole.

 

[dilloduck]

This is no longer about the children gassed in Syria. It is now all about preventing obabbles transformation into the worlds first perfect asshole.

It was never about gas.

 

[BlindBoo]

Alleged. No proof Assad used chemical weapons. Thanks for playing!

Unlike Iraq in 2002-2002, there really is no question that chemical weapons were used on civilians.

Assad's opponents simply don't have access to the technology to produce chemical weapons - even if they wanted them!

I suspect that at present Russia's Putin doesn't enjoy being aligned with a client state that used chemical weapons on 1300 of its own citizens - that's there for the world to see on You Tube!

If Assad falls, all hell could break loose in Syria, destabilizing Turkey and Iran that share a border with Russia.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ7t7oN2jls]Syria-Nerve gas attack 1300 feared dead - YouTube[/ame]

Oh there is no question that Saddam used gas against the Iranians and the Kurdish rebels. The difference is Ronnie Raygun ignored it and continued US support.

 

[dilloduck]

Alleged. No proof Assad used chemical weapons. Thanks for playing!

Unlike Iraq in 2002-2002, there really is no question that chemical weapons were used on civilians.

Assad's opponents simply don't have access to the technology to produce chemical weapons - even if they wanted them!

I suspect that at present Russia's Putin doesn't enjoy being aligned with a client state that used chemical weapons on 1300 of its own citizens - that's there for the world to see on You Tube!

If Assad falls, all hell could break loose in Syria, destabilizing Turkey and Iran that share a border with Russia.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ7t7oN2jls]Syria-Nerve gas attack 1300 feared dead - YouTube[/ame]

Oh there is no question that Saddam used gas against the Iranians and the Kurdish rebels. The difference is Ronnie Raygun ignored it and continued US support.

Of course he did. And Obama has ignored the killing of tens of thousands of Syrian civilians so far. It's never about the gas or the civilian deaths. It's about money.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Alleged. No proof Assad used chemical weapons. Thanks for playing!

Unlike Iraq in 2002-2002, there really is no question that chemical weapons were used on civilians.

Assad's opponents simply don't have access to the technology to produce chemical weapons - even if they wanted them!

I suspect that at present Russia's Putin doesn't enjoy being aligned with a client state that used chemical weapons on 1300 of its own citizens - that's there for the world to see on You Tube!

If Assad falls, all hell could break loose in Syria, destabilizing Turkey and Iran that share a border with Russia.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ7t7oN2jls]Syria-Nerve gas attack 1300 feared dead - YouTube[/ame]

Oh there is no question that Saddam used gas against the Iranians and the Kurdish rebels. The difference is Ronnie Raygun ignored it and continued US support.

Ignored it? He gave Saddam the coordinates for where to bomb.

And....the weapons that we sold to Saddam were manufactured by Rumsfeld's pharmaceutical company.

But......that was then. This is negro.

 

[jgarden]

Alleged. No proof Assad used chemical weapons. Thanks for playing!

Unlike Iraq in 2002-2002, there really is no question that chemical weapons were used on civilians.

Assad's opponents simply don't have access to the technology to produce chemical weapons - even if they wanted them!

Don't be an idiot------some other country can give it to them.

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Syria: Government Likely Culprit in Chemical Attack
New Evidence based on Rocket Analysis, Witness Accounts
September 10, 2013

(New York) – Available evidence strongly suggests that Syrian government forces were responsible for chemical weapons attacks on two Damascus suburbs on August 21, 2013. These attacks, which killed hundreds of civilians including many children, appeared to use a weapons-grade nerve agent, most likely Sarin.

The 22-page report, “Attacks on Ghouta: Analysis of Alleged Use of Chemical Weapons in Syria,” documents two alleged chemical weapons attacks on the opposition-controlled suburbs of Eastern and Western Ghouta, located 16 kilometers apart, in the early hours of August 21. Human Rights Watch analyzed witness accounts of the rocket attacks, information on the likely source of the attacks, the physical remnants of the weapon systems used, and the medical symptoms exhibited by the victims as documented by medical staff.

“Rocket debris and symptoms of the victims from the August 21 attacks on Ghouta provide telltale evidence about the weapon systems used,” said Peter Bouckaert, emergencies director at Human Rights Watch and author of the report. “This evidence strongly suggests that Syrian government troops launched rockets carrying chemical warheads into the Damascus suburbs that terrible morning.”

The evidence concerning the type of rockets and launchers used in these attacks strongly suggests that these are weapon systems known and documented to be only in the possession of, and used by, Syrian government armed forces, Human Rights Watch said.

http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/09/10/syria-government-likely-culprit-chemical-attack

The rebels in Syria not only lack the means of creating chemical weapons, but they also lack the delivery system - rockets capable of carrying chemical warheads.

As for the smuggling in rockets with chemical warheads from an outside source, name one country whose best interests would be served by giving chemical weapons to Assad's opponents - especially if it was ever traced back?

Turkey - NO (it doesn't want more Syrian refugees)
Iran - NO (it supports Assad)
Iraq - NO (it doesn't want more Syrian refugees)
Israel - NO (it doesn't trust the opposition to Assad)
Jordon -NO (it doesn't want more Syrian refugees)
Lebanon (Hezbollah) - NO (it supports Assad)
Russia - NO (it supports Assad)

 

[dilloduck]

Unlike Iraq in 2002-2002, there really is no question that chemical weapons were used on civilians.

Assad's opponents simply don't have access to the technology to produce chemical weapons - even if they wanted them!

Don't be an idiot------some other country can give it to them.

Name one country whose best interests would be served by giving chemical weapons to Assad's opponents in Syria - especially if it was ever traced back?

Turkey - NO
Iran - NO
Iraq - NO
Israel - NO
Russia - NO

Wrong oh mustard gas breath------a chemical attack is the signal for American intervention which benefits Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey, Mercenaries, big oil etc etc.

 

[jgarden]

Don't be an idiot------some other country can give it to them.

Name one country whose best interests would be served by giving chemical weapons to Assad's opponents in Syria - especially if it was ever traced back?

Turkey - NO
Iran - NO
Iraq - NO
Israel - NO
Russia - NO

Wrong oh mustard gas breath------a chemical attack is the signal for American intervention which benefits Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey, Mercenaries, big oil etc etc.

Turkey - already has 450,000 Syrian refugees in Turkey, why would they want more?

Israel - its already dealing with a destabilized Egypt and Jordan flooded with Syrian refugees
- as much as it dislikes Assad, he's preferable to a Syrian civil war or a new regime controlled by Islamic extremists

big oil - Syrian crude oil exports went mainly to the European Union, Germany, Italy, and France, totaling an estimated 137,400 bbl/d (21,840 m3/d) in 2009
- 2010, the European Union as a whole spent $4.1 billion on Syrian oil imports
- oil sector of the economy faces many challenges, such as, a decline in output and production resulting from technological problems and a depletion of oil reserves.
- Syria's rate of oil production has decreased steadily, from a peak close to 610,000 bbl/d (97,000 m3/d) in 1995 down to approximately 385,000 bbl/d (61,200 m3/d) in 2010
- domestic consumption rising, Syria could become a net oil importer within a decade
- 2010 major European countries no longer buying Syrian oil and gas due to sanctions
- due to Syrian civil war, Western companies legally prohibited from working there

Saudi Arabia - wouldn't risk chemical weapons and rockets falling into the hands of extremist groups like Al Qaeda or the Muslim Brotherhood
- Saudi Arabia has 7.5 million foreign workers and doesn't want its neighbors being further destabilized with an influx of refugees
- Saudi Arabia and Qatar are Sunni, anti-Iran and support US intervention in Syria (reports that they have offered to pay the cost of any US intervention)
- Assad has refused to construction of a Saudi-Qatari pipeline through Syria would give the Gulf states an easy way out of the region for their gas and oil to reach Europe in a faster, cheaper and more secure manner
- Putin doesn't want a pipeline from the Gulf states competing with Russian gas going to European markets

Jordan - over 1 million Syrian refugees in Jordan

Lebanon - 700 000 to 1 million Syrian refugees

Iraq - approximately 200 000 Syrian refugees

Saudi Arabia - wouldn't risk chemical weapons and rockets falling into the hands of extremist groups like Al Qaeda or the Muslim Brotherhood
- Saudi Arabia has 7.5 million foreign workers and doesn't want its neighbors being further destabilized with an influx of refugees
- Saudi Arabia and Qatar are Sunni, anti-Iran and support US intervention in Syria (reports that they have offered to pay the cost of any US intervention)
- Assad has refused to allow construction of a Saudi-Qatari pipeline through Syria that would give the Gulf states an easy way out of the region for their gas and oil to reach Europe in a faster, cheaper and more secure manner
- Putin doesn't want a pipeline from the Gulf states competing with Russian gas going to European markets

Refugees in Middle East- Syria is just the most recent in a series of major migrations

1st Iraq War - 1,400,000 Iraqi refugees fled to Iran a result of the Persian Gulf War (1990–91)
- start of 2002 - some 400,000 Iraqi refugees were spread across 90 asylum countries around the world

2nd Iraq War - UN estimates nearly 2.2 million Iraqis have fled since 2003
- nearly 100,000 fleeing to Syria and Jordan each month between 2003 and 2006
- Jordan had taken in roughly 750,000 Iraqi refugees since the war began till the end of 2006
- Syria, there were estimated to be 1.2 million Iraqi refugees (approximately 1/2 were Iraqi Christians)
- Egypt, 150,000 Iraqi refugees
- Lebanon, 40 000 Iraqi refugees
-Turkey - 10 000 Iraqi refugees
- displaced Iraqis still inside Iraq’s borders was given as 1.9 million (15% of Iraqi's population was displaced either within or outside the country)

Palestinians
- 2010, UNRWA cites 1,396,368 registered refugees in camps and 3,370,302 registered refugees not in camps
- Gaza Strip 1,106,195
- West Bank 778,993
- Lebanon 425,640
- Syria 472,109
- Jordan 1,983,733