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People are arrested for attempted robbery all the time dumb ass. Lawful people report these things when they happen. It's the gang members and unlawful who don't report attempted crimes...If a crime is prevented by use of a gun then a crime never happened to be reportedAnd again, the anti gunner has to lie...because the truth, the facts and the reality do not support his beliefs about guns...
CDC, in Surveys It Never Bothered Making Public, Provides More Evidence That Plenty of Americans Innocently Defend Themselves with Guns
Kleck was impressed with how well the survey worded its question: "During the last 12 months, have you confronted another person with a firearm, even if you did not fire it, to protect yourself, your property, or someone else?"
Respondents were told to leave out incidents from occupations, like policing, where using firearms is part of the job.
Kleck is impressed with how the question excludes animals but includes DGUs outside the home as well as within it.
Kleck's "study" found more than 3 million incidents of DGU per year, which is 3 times more than the number of violent crimes committed per year.
Not really true as attempting a crime is still a crime. If I attempt to rob a bank and fail, then I still committed a crime.
Yeah....you don't understand..... if someone sticks a gun in your face and you use yours to run him off, it doesn't get reported as a robbery..... if at all....or you drive someone out of your home with your gun... not a robbery... because you stopped it.
People are arrested for attempted robbery all the time dumb ass. Lawful people report these things when they happen. It's the gang members and unlawful who don't report attempted crimes...If a crime is prevented by use of a gun then a crime never happened to be reported
Not really true as attempting a crime is still a crime. If I attempt to rob a bank and fail, then I still committed a crime.
Yeah....you don't understand..... if someone sticks a gun in your face and you use yours to run him off, it doesn't get reported as a robbery..... if at all....or you drive someone out of your home with your gun... not a robbery... because you stopped it.
No...shitstain.....if they don't catch the robber it doesn't get fucking reported as a robbery, you asswipe....
Correct, it gets reported as an attempted robbery, which is still a fucking crime you fucking moron.
It is amazing how the oxygen deprivation of having your head up Trump's ass makes you so fucking stupid.
So what? The FACTS are that the UK have a much lower gun murder rate, and the distance is not closing quickly.The murder rate of the UK in the 50's was lower than it is now despite all their many gun laws which they started passing in the 60's The UK and the US are far from homogeneous Ignoring the societal, economic and political differences between the two nations and stating that the sole differences are gun ownership and gun laws is simplistic at bestUK still has much less gun ownership rates and much less homicide rates.
Kleck and Lott are disproven bunk.
One the UK is very different from the US along many variables that contribute to high crime and murder ratesOne, the UK has a much lower gun murder rate than the US.
Two, Kleck's numbers simply don't work in our real world.
Really?One, the comparisons are fine between the US and the UK.
Two, you are wise to not use Kleck or Lott in defense.
Make the government comply with sunshine laws and shit does not get burried! Make some freedom of information act requests in your district see how well they comply. If they comply poorly write your rep! If it does not change vote against your rep! The best way to test your governemnt is to use your goverment. Make requests! I have to purchase courthouse data all the time, believe me I show up to the dinners of the poliitcal offices that make it easy for me! You want my campaign dollar make your office fly! If your office fgets me what I need fast you likely have my vote regardless of R or D in front of the name! If I have to sue you to move, you can bet I got a little cash for your chalenger!Here we have a look at the CDC hiding the results of 3 years of research into defensive gun use......the author points out that Dr. Kleck had to dig out the information from the CDC
GUN WATCH: CDC Failed to Report Strong Evidence of Defensive Gun Uses
The paragraph above does not rule out the surveys done by the CDC. It says that "more than 19 national surveys" not "19 national surveys". Were the authors aware of the CDC surveys done in 1996, 1997, and 1998, that essentially confirmed the estimates made by Kleck and Gertz in the 1995 paper?
The timing and size of the surveys done by the CDC is fascinating. They were done immediately after Kleck and Gertz published their paper. There were three of them. The one in 1996 was the largest ever done. 5,884 people were asked the DGU question. The total number of people asked in the three surveys done by the CDC was 12,870. All were asked the same question. It is as if a single very large survey was done, over three years. Kleck and Gertz' survey asked their DGU questions of 4,977 people.
Kleck goes into considerable detail about how his survey, done in 1993 (published in 1995) differs from the CDC survey. For example, in the CDC survey, only those people who admitted to having a gun in the home were asked the DGU question.
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Having read the Kleck and Gertz paper, I often wished that someone would do another survey, to broaden the sample, to provide more data.
Now we find the CDC did three such surveys. All of them validated the Kleck and Gertz survey. One large survey, such as the one by Kleck and Gertz, is indicative. Four of them show scientific replication and add to certainty. We were never told of the results of the confirming surveys done by the CDC.
Gary Kleck, as a scientist, a Democrat, and a proponent of a number of gun control measures, is careful not to cast aspersions on the CDC. He does not accuse anyone of malfeasance. He notes the surveys were done during the Clinton administration, and these findings would have worked against the gun control agenda of the administration. Someone at the CDC made the decision not to publish these results.
Kleck, while doing research, happened to come across the DGU question in a historical CDC survey, online, 21 years after the CDC surveys had been completed.
He was intrigued, and was able to find the original surveys done in 1996, 1997, 1998, and all the results.
It has to be gratifying to Dr. Kleck, to see his results validated after more than two decades. It may be infuriating to know these results were available from 1997 to 1999, and were never made public.
None of your comments link to proven problems here.Really?One, the comparisons are fine between the US and the UK.
Two, you are wise to not use Kleck or Lott in defense.
The UK has the level of inner city poverty that we do?
The same problems with race relations?
The same problem with drug dealing gangs?
70% of all murders occur in very small very distinct urban areas in just 5% of all the counties in the US. Murders there are so concentrated that within just a few blocks the murder rate can vary from 20 times the national rate to virtually zero.
We know where the bulk of murders occur and we know who is committing them. We do nothing. You don't even mention it in any of your arguments.
If we wanted to lower the murder rate we know exactly where to start. The telling fact that we don't start there is telling me that you and your ilk do not care about the murder rate more than your agenda of gun control.
None of your comments link to proven problems here.Really?One, the comparisons are fine between the US and the UK.
Two, you are wise to not use Kleck or Lott in defense.
The UK has the level of inner city poverty that we do?
The same problems with race relations?
The same problem with drug dealing gangs?
70% of all murders occur in very small very distinct urban areas in just 5% of all the counties in the US. Murders there are so concentrated that within just a few blocks the murder rate can vary from 20 times the national rate to virtually zero.
We know where the bulk of murders occur and we know who is committing them. We do nothing. You don't even mention it in any of your arguments.
If we wanted to lower the murder rate we know exactly where to start. The telling fact that we don't start there is telling me that you and your ilk do not care about the murder rate more than your agenda of gun control.
The fact remains it is far safer to live in the UK when it comes to gun crime.
Yes we all know it's somehow worse to be killed with a gun than it is with a knifeYawn. This OP is about gun use, not knives.
One, the UK has a much lower gun murder rate than the US.
Two, Kleck's numbers simply don't work in our real world.
Kleck's numbers don't stand up, so those who base their studies on Kleck don't stand up.
You are right, 2aguy, "you have nothing."
