Immanuel
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Immie, did she not also say she would refuse to counsel a GLBT kidlet?
I have not seen anything indicating that she did. Do you have a link supporting that?
Immie
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Immie, did she not also say she would refuse to counsel a GLBT kidlet?
immie, didn't she also take her homophobic position in class, in papers she submitted, and so forth? This didn't happen merely because another student tattled on her...she shoved the school's face in this dispute to force the issue.
I have a militant niece who'd behave exactly this way. Cannot accept authority, has to fight with her elders/teachers/etc. And usually claims to have moral and/or religious grounds for doing so. Imo, the kid should have been disciplined a bit more at home, but that's beside the point now.
What would you have the university do? Waive its graduation requirements for those claiming religious issues?
Immie, didn't she also take her homophobic position in class, in papers she submitted, and so forth? This didn't happen merely because another student tattled on her...she shoved the school's face in this dispute to force the issue.
I have a militant niece who'd behave exactly this way. Cannot accept authority, has to fight with her elders/teachers/etc. and usually claims to have moral and/or religious grounds for doing so. IMO, the kid should have been disciplined a bit more at home, but that's beside the point now.
What would you have the university do? Waive its graduation requirements for those claiming religious issues?
I'm wondering how it prohibited someone's religious practice not to be able to discriminate.
And when did it become a requirement that anyone tolerate anyone else's bigotry?
Last I checked, there was nothing in the practice of christianity which requored one to be a homophobe.
*shrug*
I'm wondering how it prohibited someone's religious practice not to be able to discriminate.
And when did it become a requirement that anyone tolerate anyone else's bigotry?
Last I checked, there was nothing in the practice of christianity which requored one to be a homophobe.
*shrug*
I'm wondering how it prohibited someone's religious practice not to be able to discriminate.
And when did it become a requirement that anyone tolerate anyone else's bigotry?
Last I checked, there was nothing in the practice of christianity which requored one to be a homophobe.
*shrug*
Homophobe? Come on Jillian, that is beneath you.
Since when does not believing something make you a ...phobe?
Do I have some kind of phobia of you because you are Jewish and I don't believe in your faith? Does that make me Anti-Semitic?
Immie
I'm wondering how it prohibited someone's religious practice not to be able to discriminate.
And when did it become a requirement that anyone tolerate anyone else's bigotry?
Last I checked, there was nothing in the practice of christianity which requored one to be a homophobe.
*shrug*
Homophobe? Come on Jillian, that is beneath you.
Since when does not believing something make you a ...phobe?
Do I have some kind of phobia of you because you are Jewish and I don't believe in your faith? Does that make me Anti-Semitic?
Immie
no one has to 'believe' in gays. they exist.
so i'm not quite sure what point you're making.
Immie, didn't she also take her homophobic position in class, in papers she submitted, and so forth? This didn't happen merely because another student tattled on her...she shoved the school's face in this dispute to force the issue.
I have a militant niece who'd behave exactly this way. Cannot accept authority, has to fight with her elders/teachers/etc. and usually claims to have moral and/or religious grounds for doing so. IMO, the kid should have been disciplined a bit more at home, but that's beside the point now.
What would you have the university do? Waive its graduation requirements for those claiming religious issues?
As far as I know, yes, she did discuss her beliefs about homosexuality, although, I would not classify her viewpoints as being homophobic. In this case, that is a ridiculous classification. Being opposed to something does not equate to being afraid of it.
Shoved the school's face in it? Please, since when does having a discussion about something equate to shoving someone's face in it? We are having a friendly discussion in which I disagree with you, Coyote and Modbert. Am I shoving your faces in it? Also, ASU is supposed to be an institute of higher education. They should welcome the thought process even if they do not agree with it. They are there to teach not indoctrinate.
No one is asking the university to waive any requirements that were established at the time of admittance. I highly doubt that complete agreement with all things taught was listed as a requirement for graduation. You went to school, did they tell you that you had to swear on a stack of Bibles that you agreed with everything your professors told you from admittance through graduation?
Immie
Does that make me Anti-Semitic?
Immie
I'm wondering how it prohibited someone's religious practice not to be able to discriminate.
And when did it become a requirement that anyone tolerate anyone else's bigotry?
Last I checked, there was nothing in the practice of christianity which requored one to be a homophobe.
*shrug*
Homophobe? Come on Jillian, that is beneath you.
Since when does not believing something make you a ...phobe?
Do I have some kind of phobia of you because you are Jewish and I don't believe in your faith? Does that make me Anti-Semitic?
Immie
no one has to 'believe' in gays. they exist.
so i'm not quite sure what point you're making.
Immie, didn't she also take her homophobic position in class, in papers she submitted, and so forth? This didn't happen merely because another student tattled on her...she shoved the school's face in this dispute to force the issue.
I have a militant niece who'd behave exactly this way. Cannot accept authority, has to fight with her elders/teachers/etc. and usually claims to have moral and/or religious grounds for doing so. IMO, the kid should have been disciplined a bit more at home, but that's beside the point now.
What would you have the university do? Waive its graduation requirements for those claiming religious issues?
As far as I know, yes, she did discuss her beliefs about homosexuality, although, I would not classify her viewpoints as being homophobic. In this case, that is a ridiculous classification. Being opposed to something does not equate to being afraid of it.
Shoved the school's face in it? Please, since when does having a discussion about something equate to shoving someone's face in it? We are having a friendly discussion in which I disagree with you, Coyote and Modbert. Am I shoving your faces in it? Also, ASU is supposed to be an institute of higher education. They should welcome the thought process even if they do not agree with it. They are there to teach not indoctrinate.
No one is asking the university to waive any requirements that were established at the time of admittance. I highly doubt that complete agreement with all things taught was listed as a requirement for graduation. You went to school, did they tell you that you had to swear on a stack of Bibles that you agreed with everything your professors told you from admittance through graduation?
Immie
*Laughs*
Immie, my professors spent three years telling us we were all dumb asses who knew nothing. If I had wandered off into a discussion about communist theories of property rights during class, I'd have been in deep shit. If I had clung to such notions, I'd never have graduated, never mind get admitted.
Mebbe your POV on Judaism would be relevant if you were trying to get a Masters in Jewish Studies, Immie. This chick wants to be a school kid's counselor but rejects the professional standards for treating GLBT kids, their friends, families and school mates. I'd say the school MUST disqualify her as long as she stubbornly refuses to agree to treat such folks in a manner that comports with the code and standards during her professional day.
Mebbe so, mebbe not, Immie. Here's where a full airing of the facts would come in handy.
Universities have a review process, Immie, and she has sought redress in the courts. I dun think her life will be ruined.