True history of the birther movement: Telegraph UK 2011

[healthmyths]

Yeah yeah, every one knows that the Hillary campaign in 2008 started the whole birther movement.

Some lies never die in the Republican bubble.

Did Hillary Clinton start the Obama birther movement?


Our ruling

Trump said that Clinton started the birther movement and "was all in."

It’s an interesting bit of history that the birther movement appears to have begun with Democrats supporting Clinton and opposing Obama. But Trump, and others who have made this claim, neglect to mention that there is no direct tie to Clinton or her 2008 campaign.

The story appears to have started with supporters of Clinton, an important distinction.

Trump goes on to completely distort the chain of events by claiming Clinton "was all in" on the birther movement. Most of the talk started after Clinton suspended her presidential campaign. And the only thing she officially has ever done is deny any accusation of starting a whisper campaign.

We rate this claim False.

Yeah and Politifact is a bona fide in the tank propaganda arm of the Dems.

Politifact.org owned by the St. Petersburg Times which is owned by the Poynter Institute... A NON-PROFIT also known as Pravda WEST!

This totally biased rag has NOW acquired the only independent newspaper that was FOR profit a disadvantage news paper in Tampa for over
100 years! NOW this non-profit owns them. How totally sad there is no longer an unbiased source that pays taxes.
Total rip off!

 

[jillian]

It was out there long before the 2008 campaign but it is true that the Clinton supporters kicked it up a notch.

"False rumours about Mr Obama’s background first surfaced in 2004, in Illinois, where he was a state senator. Andy Martin, a perennial local candidate and litigant, claimed Mr Obama was secretly Muslim.

Related theories — including that he was radicalised in a “madrassa” in Indonesia — developed after Mr Obama entered the national stage with a speech to the Democratic National Convention later that year.

In 2005, Mr Obama went to Washington as the junior US senator for Illinois. The rumours about him persisted, but seemingly failed to take hold among political insiders and voters alike.

It was not until April 2008, at the height of the intensely bitter Democratic presidential primary process, that the touch paper was properly lit.

An anonymous email circulated by supporters of Mrs Clinton, Mr Obama’s main rival for the party’s nomination, thrust a new allegation into the national spotlight — that he had not been born in Hawaii."

Birther row began with Hillary Clinton

and?

 

[jillian]

Who said it first? Romney supporters? Bush supporters? Or a PAC trying to get Hillary elected? How did they get their info?

It started in late February 2008 with Operation Chaos telling DittoTards to pretend to be Clinton supporters to keep her campaign going, then March 1 the first birther claims appeared on freerepublic. Then in April "anonymous" emails pretending to be from Clinton/Op Chaos supporters began appearing.

Sure, I'll play along.

truth hurts, eh?

 

[MisterBeale]

Who said it first? Romney supporters? Bush supporters? Or a PAC trying to get Hillary elected? How did they get their info?

It started in late February 2008 with Operation Chaos telling DittoTards to pretend to be Clinton supporters to keep her campaign going, then March 1 the first birther claims appeared on freerepublic. Then in April "anonymous" emails pretending to be from Clinton/Op Chaos supporters began appearing.

Sure, I'll play along.

truth hurts, eh?

Gimmie a link to support it, and I'll accept it.

 

[Syriusly]

It was out there long before the 2008 campaign but it is true that the Clinton supporters kicked it up a notch.

"False rumours about Mr Obama’s background first surfaced in 2004, in Illinois, where he was a state senator. Andy Martin, a perennial local candidate and litigant, claimed Mr Obama was secretly Muslim.

Related theories — including that he was radicalised in a “madrassa” in Indonesia — developed after Mr Obama entered the national stage with a speech to the Democratic National Convention later that year.

In 2005, Mr Obama went to Washington as the junior US senator for Illinois. The rumours about him persisted, but seemingly failed to take hold among political insiders and voters alike.

It was not until April 2008, at the height of the intensely bitter Democratic presidential primary process, that the touch paper was properly lit.

An anonymous email circulated by supporters of Mrs Clinton, Mr Obama’s main rival for the party’s nomination, thrust a new allegation into the national spotlight — that he had not been born in Hawaii."

Birther row began with Hillary Clinton

The lie that Barack Obama was not born in the US has been fuelled by fringe Republicans

It was not until last month, and the emergence of the property tycoon Donald Trump as a potential Republican presidential candidate, that the issue was thrust back into national prominence.

Mr Trump outed himself as a “birther” in an interview on his private jet on March 17. “The reason I have a little doubt — just a little — is because he grew up and nobody knew him,” he told ABC News.

Over the following weeks, Mr Trump reiterated his comments repeatedly. He added a string of further allegations, including that Mr Obama’s grandmother had recalled witnessing his birth in Kenya, which were simply not true.

Donald Trump- fringe Republican- Birther

More bullshit by the liberals who support a liar.

We don't support the liar and BirtherTrump- though he is by far the most liberal Republican who was in the primary this year.

 

[Syriusly]

Yeah yeah, every one knows that the Hillary campaign in 2008 started the whole birther movement.

Some lies never die in the Republican bubble.

Did Hillary Clinton start the Obama birther movement?


Our ruling

Trump said that Clinton started the birther movement and "was all in."

It’s an interesting bit of history that the birther movement appears to have begun with Democrats supporting Clinton and opposing Obama. But Trump, and others who have made this claim, neglect to mention that there is no direct tie to Clinton or her 2008 campaign.

The story appears to have started with supporters of Clinton, an important distinction.

Trump goes on to completely distort the chain of events by claiming Clinton "was all in" on the birther movement. Most of the talk started after Clinton suspended her presidential campaign. And the only thing she officially has ever done is deny any accusation of starting a whisper campaign.

We rate this claim False.

Yeah and Politifact is a bona fide in the tank propaganda arm of the Dems.

Politifact.org owned by the St. Petersburg Times which is owned by the Poynter Institute... A NON-PROFIT also known as Pravda WEST!

Right Wing Nut Jobs hate the truth and facts.

Which is why they love a big old Birther and liar like Donald Trump.

 

[Syriusly]

Yeah yeah, every one knows that the Hillary campaign in 2008 started the whole birther movement.

Some lies never die in the Republican bubble.

Did Hillary Clinton start the Obama birther movement?


Our ruling

Trump said that Clinton started the birther movement and "was all in."

It’s an interesting bit of history that the birther movement appears to have begun with Democrats supporting Clinton and opposing Obama. But Trump, and others who have made this claim, neglect to mention that there is no direct tie to Clinton or her 2008 campaign.

The story appears to have started with supporters of Clinton, an important distinction.

Trump goes on to completely distort the chain of events by claiming Clinton "was all in" on the birther movement. Most of the talk started after Clinton suspended her presidential campaign. And the only thing she officially has ever done is deny any accusation of starting a whisper campaign.

We rate this claim False.

Yeah and Politifact is a bona fide in the tank propaganda arm of the Dems.

Glug, glug, glug, TinyDrunk....Mister "tin foil" Beale is trying to say it was started by the Hillary campaign.

Even your article says it was a Hillary supporter. There's a difference between her campaign and a supporter.

Learn to read.

Thank you.

Are you are Hillary supporter?

Are you actively campaigning for her?

Thus, are you not part of her campaign?


I guess, we shall just have to disagree on the matter of terms. No one can be sure where that anonymous email came from. Some of us aren't so naive as to believe that privileged and hard to come by information that will hurt an opponent's campaign just doesn't drop out of the sky. It costs money to hire P.I.'s

Whether a person is paid or unpaid to be part of a campaign, if they support a campaign, and do things to actively support it, they go from passively supporting it, to actively supporting it. At that point, they BECOME not just supporters, but campaigners.

As you note- no one knows the source of anonymous emails.

But we do know that Trump has spent the last 5 years spouting Birther idiocy.

If Hilary's camp did start the rumor- then Trump was just a patsy who was played like a fool by Hilary's campaign.

Or he just decided to play the fool himself.

 

[Syriusly]

Donald Trump- July, 10, 2015
Asked whether he thought Obama was born in the U.S., Trump responded: “I don’t know. I really don’t know. I don’t know why he wouldn’t release his records.”

Read more: Trump: I'm still a birther
Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebook

State of Hawaii- April 27, 2011

If the Donald is still 'not sure' after the State of Hawaii specifically confirmed that President Obama was born in Hawaii- how the hell will he ever 'be sure' of anything while President?

 

[tinydancer]

Yeah yeah, every one knows that the Hillary campaign in 2008 started the whole birther movement.

Some lies never die in the Republican bubble.

Did Hillary Clinton start the Obama birther movement?


Our ruling

Trump said that Clinton started the birther movement and "was all in."

It’s an interesting bit of history that the birther movement appears to have begun with Democrats supporting Clinton and opposing Obama. But Trump, and others who have made this claim, neglect to mention that there is no direct tie to Clinton or her 2008 campaign.

The story appears to have started with supporters of Clinton, an important distinction.

Trump goes on to completely distort the chain of events by claiming Clinton "was all in" on the birther movement. Most of the talk started after Clinton suspended her presidential campaign. And the only thing she officially has ever done is deny any accusation of starting a whisper campaign.

We rate this claim False.

Yeah and Politifact is a bona fide in the tank propaganda arm of the Dems.

Politifact.org owned by the St. Petersburg Times which is owned by the Poynter Institute... A NON-PROFIT also known as Pravda WEST!

This totally biased rag has NOW acquired the only independent newspaper that was FOR profit a disadvantage news paper in Tampa for over
100 years! NOW this non-profit owns them. How totally sad there is no longer an unbiased source that pays taxes.
Total rip off!

It's a pretty sad day when one has to fact check the faux fact checkers that are out there.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Yeah yeah, every one knows that the Hillary campaign in 2008 started the whole birther movement.

Some lies never die in the Republican bubble.

Did Hillary Clinton start the Obama birther movement?


Our ruling

Trump said that Clinton started the birther movement and "was all in."

It’s an interesting bit of history that the birther movement appears to have begun with Democrats supporting Clinton and opposing Obama. But Trump, and others who have made this claim, neglect to mention that there is no direct tie to Clinton or her 2008 campaign.

The story appears to have started with supporters of Clinton, an important distinction.

Trump goes on to completely distort the chain of events by claiming Clinton "was all in" on the birther movement. Most of the talk started after Clinton suspended her presidential campaign. And the only thing she officially has ever done is deny any accusation of starting a whisper campaign.

We rate this claim False.

Yeah and Politifact is a bona fide in the tank propaganda arm of the Dems.

Politifact.org owned by the St. Petersburg Times which is owned by the Poynter Institute... A NON-PROFIT also known as Pravda WEST!

This totally biased rag has NOW acquired the only independent newspaper that was FOR profit a disadvantage news paper in Tampa for over
100 years! NOW this non-profit owns them. How totally sad there is no longer an unbiased source that pays taxes.
Total rip off!

Prove politifact wrong.

 

[NYcarbineer]

It was out there long before the 2008 campaign but it is true that the Clinton supporters kicked it up a notch.

"False rumours about Mr Obama’s background first surfaced in 2004, in Illinois, where he was a state senator. Andy Martin, a perennial local candidate and litigant, claimed Mr Obama was secretly Muslim.

Related theories — including that he was radicalised in a “madrassa” in Indonesia — developed after Mr Obama entered the national stage with a speech to the Democratic National Convention later that year.

In 2005, Mr Obama went to Washington as the junior US senator for Illinois. The rumours about him persisted, but seemingly failed to take hold among political insiders and voters alike.

It was not until April 2008, at the height of the intensely bitter Democratic presidential primary process, that the touch paper was properly lit.

An anonymous email circulated by supporters of Mrs Clinton, Mr Obama’s main rival for the party’s nomination, thrust a new allegation into the national spotlight — that he had not been born in Hawaii."

Birther row began with Hillary Clinton

Anonymous emails?

When is the last time you heard Hillary Clinton accuse Obama of not being born in the US?

Here let me help you.

The answer is Never.

It's a lie inside a lie. Well done, HDS'ers.

 

[edthecynic]

Who said it first? Romney supporters? Bush supporters? Or a PAC trying to get Hillary elected? How did they get their info?

It started in late February 2008 with Operation Chaos telling DittoTards to pretend to be Clinton supporters to keep her campaign going, then March 1 the first birther claims appeared on freerepublic. Then in April "anonymous" emails pretending to be from Clinton/Op Chaos supporters began appearing.

Sure, I'll play along.

Barackryphal: The Secret Origin of the Birthers

Extensive searching for the first online appearance of challenges to Obama’s birthplace, or challenges to his Constitutional eligibility, or demands for his birth certificate turn up nothing prior to the start of the 2008 primary elections. Rather, all three made their initial appearances in March 2008, right around the time that Obama took a decisive lead in the delegate count for the Democratic nomination. Most websites that one would expect to be early adopters of Obama birth and eligibility rumors (e.g., conservative sites like FreeRepublic, conspiracy sites like Prison Planet, white supremacist sites like Stormfront) didn’t engage the rumor until June 2008.

Virtually all of Birtherism owes its existence to the rumor that Barack Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham, did not give birth to him in Hawaii. As the rumor goes, she instead had traveled to Kenya for unspecified reasons, and had given birth to her son there, before returning to Honolulu and falsely claiming that she gave birth in Hawaii. This is the rumor that eventually caused the Birther conspiracy theory to tip as an epidemic, that drove the resultant demands for the release of Obama’s birth certificate, that inspired the immediate skepticism of the birth certificate following its release, and ultimately led to the neverending supply of alternative legal theories as to why Obama ought to be deemed Constitutionally ineligible for the Presidency. Perhaps one or more of these events would have transpired anyway in the absence of the Kenyan birth rumor, but as it happened, the rumor was the root cause of them all.

And that rumor first appeared in the early hours of Saturday, March 1, 2008, on the conservative web forum, FreeRepublic.com. In a thread entitled “FR CONTEST: Pin the Middle Name on the Obama,” where posters were offering various 'funny' middle names for Barack Obama in lieu of “Hussein,” a poster named “FARS” posted this non-sequitur:

I was told today that Obama swore in on a Koran for his Senate seat. I do not believe he did. Can someone clarify this for me? I am under the impression only a Congressman has so far sworn in on a Koran.

Also that Obama’s mother gave birth to him overseas and then immediately flew into Hawaii and registered his birth as having taken place in Hawaii.

Again, any clarifications on this? Defintely disqualifies him for Prez. There must be some trace of an airticket. While small babies are not charged air fare they do have a ticket issued for them.

Long time ago but there may be some residual information somewhere. Good ammo (if available and true) BEST USED AFTER he becomes PREZ (if that occurs) and it’s too late for Dems - except accept the VP.
Most of the essential elements of the rumor are here, from the immediate flight to Hawaii for registration to the eligibility concerns. All that is lacking is a specific reference to Kenya, which we’ll see was remedied shortly thereafter. He acknowledges that Obama’s public biography states that he was born in Honolulu, and he alleges that the public biography is false. He actively endorses the idea of Obama’s family covering up a birth in Kenya, and as such, is proposing a conspiracy theory.

Importantly, despite being the first person, anywhere, to report this rumor, he cites no source for it. No news report, or broadcast program, or website. Only “I was told today.” The fact that it appears alongside the oft-repeated and equally oft-debunked false rumor that Obama took his oath of office on a Koran illustrates the level of FARS’ willingness to factcheck rumors before repeating them.

 

[MisterBeale]

Yeah yeah, every one knows that the Hillary campaign in 2008 started the whole birther movement.

Some lies never die in the Republican bubble.

Did Hillary Clinton start the Obama birther movement?


Our ruling

Trump said that Clinton started the birther movement and "was all in."

It’s an interesting bit of history that the birther movement appears to have begun with Democrats supporting Clinton and opposing Obama. But Trump, and others who have made this claim, neglect to mention that there is no direct tie to Clinton or her 2008 campaign.

The story appears to have started with supporters of Clinton, an important distinction.

Trump goes on to completely distort the chain of events by claiming Clinton "was all in" on the birther movement. Most of the talk started after Clinton suspended her presidential campaign. And the only thing she officially has ever done is deny any accusation of starting a whisper campaign.

We rate this claim False.

Yeah and Politifact is a bona fide in the tank propaganda arm of the Dems.

Glug, glug, glug, TinyDrunk....Mister "tin foil" Beale is trying to say it was started by the Hillary campaign.

Even your article says it was a Hillary supporter. There's a difference between her campaign and a supporter.

Learn to read.

Thank you.

Are you are Hillary supporter?

Are you actively campaigning for her?

Thus, are you not part of her campaign?


I guess, we shall just have to disagree on the matter of terms. No one can be sure where that anonymous email came from. Some of us aren't so naive as to believe that privileged and hard to come by information that will hurt an opponent's campaign just doesn't drop out of the sky. It costs money to hire P.I.'s

Whether a person is paid or unpaid to be part of a campaign, if they support a campaign, and do things to actively support it, they go from passively supporting it, to actively supporting it. At that point, they BECOME not just supporters, but campaigners.

As you note- no one knows the source of anonymous emails.

But we do know that Trump has spent the last 5 years spouting Birther idiocy.

If Hilary's camp did start the rumor- then Trump was just a patsy who was played like a fool by Hilary's campaign.

Or he just decided to play the fool himself.
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I'm not going to get into all that.

We know that it was Hillary campaigners that started the whole thing. That is where I am out. If it is "Birther Idiocy," take it up with Hillary campaigners.

 

[BlindBoo]

Who cares where it started? The truth is the greatest torch bearer the Birthers ever had is the presumptive Republican Nominee, Donald "the Liar" Trump!

 

[Syriusly]

Some lies never die in the Republican bubble.

Did Hillary Clinton start the Obama birther movement?


Our ruling

Trump said that Clinton started the birther movement and "was all in."

It’s an interesting bit of history that the birther movement appears to have begun with Democrats supporting Clinton and opposing Obama. But Trump, and others who have made this claim, neglect to mention that there is no direct tie to Clinton or her 2008 campaign.

The story appears to have started with supporters of Clinton, an important distinction.

Trump goes on to completely distort the chain of events by claiming Clinton "was all in" on the birther movement. Most of the talk started after Clinton suspended her presidential campaign. And the only thing she officially has ever done is deny any accusation of starting a whisper campaign.

We rate this claim False.

Yeah and Politifact is a bona fide in the tank propaganda arm of the Dems.

Glug, glug, glug, TinyDrunk....Mister "tin foil" Beale is trying to say it was started by the Hillary campaign.

Even your article says it was a Hillary supporter. There's a difference between her campaign and a supporter.

Learn to read.

Thank you.

Are you are Hillary supporter?

Are you actively campaigning for her?

Thus, are you not part of her campaign?


I guess, we shall just have to disagree on the matter of terms. No one can be sure where that anonymous email came from. Some of us aren't so naive as to believe that privileged and hard to come by information that will hurt an opponent's campaign just doesn't drop out of the sky. It costs money to hire P.I.'s

Whether a person is paid or unpaid to be part of a campaign, if they support a campaign, and do things to actively support it, they go from passively supporting it, to actively supporting it. At that point, they BECOME not just supporters, but campaigners.

As you note- no one knows the source of anonymous emails.

But we do know that Trump has spent the last 5 years spouting Birther idiocy.

If Hilary's camp did start the rumor- then Trump was just a patsy who was played like a fool by Hilary's campaign.

Or he just decided to play the fool himself.
View attachment 73960

I'm not going to get into all that.

We know that it was Hillary campaigners that started the whole thing. That is where I am out. If it is "Birther Idiocy," take it up with Hillary campaigners.

Of course you don't want to get into what a big fat Birther Donald is.
As you note- no one knows the source of anonymous emails.

But we do know that Trump has spent the last 5 years spouting Birther idiocy.

If Hilary's camp did start the rumor- then Trump was just a patsy who was played like a fool by Hilary's campaign.

Or he just decided to play the fool himself.
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[Syriusly]

Yeah yeah, every one knows that the Hillary campaign in 2008 started the whole birther movement.

Some lies never die in the Republican bubble.

Did Hillary Clinton start the Obama birther movement?


Our ruling

Trump said that Clinton started the birther movement and "was all in."

It’s an interesting bit of history that the birther movement appears to have begun with Democrats supporting Clinton and opposing Obama. But Trump, and others who have made this claim, neglect to mention that there is no direct tie to Clinton or her 2008 campaign.

The story appears to have started with supporters of Clinton, an important distinction.

Trump goes on to completely distort the chain of events by claiming Clinton "was all in" on the birther movement. Most of the talk started after Clinton suspended her presidential campaign. And the only thing she officially has ever done is deny any accusation of starting a whisper campaign.

We rate this claim False.

Yeah and Politifact is a bona fide in the tank propaganda arm of the Dems.

Politifact.org owned by the St. Petersburg Times which is owned by the Poynter Institute... A NON-PROFIT also known as Pravda WEST!

This totally biased rag has NOW acquired the only independent newspaper that was FOR profit a disadvantage news paper in Tampa for over
100 years! NOW this non-profit owns them. How totally sad there is no longer an unbiased source that pays taxes.
Total rip off!

It's a pretty sad day when one has to fact check the faux fact checkers that are out there.

The Right Wing hates fact checkers and always claims that they are biased.

And then conveniently don't bother to refute the facts the fact checkers point out.

 

[Seawytch]

'Girthers' to Donald Trump: 'Produce the schlong form girth certificate!'

 

[Papageorgio]

It was out there long before the 2008 campaign but it is true that the Clinton supporters kicked it up a notch.

"False rumours about Mr Obama’s background first surfaced in 2004, in Illinois, where he was a state senator. Andy Martin, a perennial local candidate and litigant, claimed Mr Obama was secretly Muslim.

Related theories — including that he was radicalised in a “madrassa” in Indonesia — developed after Mr Obama entered the national stage with a speech to the Democratic National Convention later that year.

In 2005, Mr Obama went to Washington as the junior US senator for Illinois. The rumours about him persisted, but seemingly failed to take hold among political insiders and voters alike.

It was not until April 2008, at the height of the intensely bitter Democratic presidential primary process, that the touch paper was properly lit.

An anonymous email circulated by supporters of Mrs Clinton, Mr Obama’s main rival for the party’s nomination, thrust a new allegation into the national spotlight — that he had not been born in Hawaii."

Birther row began with Hillary Clinton

The lie that Barack Obama was not born in the US has been fuelled by fringe Republicans

It was not until last month, and the emergence of the property tycoon Donald Trump as a potential Republican presidential candidate, that the issue was thrust back into national prominence.

Mr Trump outed himself as a “birther” in an interview on his private jet on March 17. “The reason I have a little doubt — just a little — is because he grew up and nobody knew him,” he told ABC News.

Over the following weeks, Mr Trump reiterated his comments repeatedly. He added a string of further allegations, including that Mr Obama’s grandmother had recalled witnessing his birth in Kenya, which were simply not true.

Donald Trump- fringe Republican- Birther

More bullshit by the liberals who support a liar.

We don't support the liar and BirtherTrump- though he is by far the most liberal Republican who was in the primary this year.

Hillary has flat out lied on many fronts, the liberals are voting for her. If you wNt to bitch about Trumps lies, go right ahead, it's hypocritical of you but that isn't anything new either.


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[edthecynic]

We know that it was Hillary campaigners that started the whole thing.

You don't "KNOW" shit!

 

[MisterBeale]

We know that it was Hillary campaigners that started the whole thing.

You don't "KNOW" shit!