True history of the birther movement: Telegraph UK 2011

[edthecynic]

Actually it started when Obama told his publisher in roughly 1990 that he was born in Kenya. Obama was the original birther

Actually, this first birther crap reminds me of the Right trying to blame the first use of Obama's middle name on Hillary through Bob Kerry, a Clinton supporter. Mind you Limbaugh and others were using Obama's middle name more than a year before Kerry used it, but when the Clinton through Kerry lie didn't catch on Limbaugh and the Right then claimed Obama was the first to use his middle name politically, another lie.

I don't give a shit what it "reminds" you of

Everyone knows you don't give a shit about the truth.
The Right condemns Hillary based on the Clinton's "history" but when I show the history of the lying techniques the Right use, suddenly history doesn't matter any more!!!

Everyone, Queen Elizabeth? Curious why you don't have enough self confidence to speak for yourself. Why isn't your opinion worth anything on it's own?

And what you said was irrelevant

Especially Queen Elizabeth!

 

[kaz]

Obama lied about Obama's country of birth before Trump did. And Hillary raised it as a political issue before Trump did.

Except Hillary NEVER raised the issue at all!!!!

Every Right-wing liar in this thread has been challenged to show even one quote from Hillary about Obama's birthplace, and all the liars have failed. You are no exception. There are however a number of direct quotes from Small Fingers Trump.

Sure, her campaign starting it had nothing to do with her. Just to be clear, that's your standard for Trump, right? He's not responsible for what his staff does? No quote, it's not him?

You are EdTheLemur for sure

Again, her campaign had nothing to do with it and that is proven by the fact that none of the Right-wing liars can name the person in her campaign who started it.

Sure, Hillary said she had nothing to do with the e-mails circulated by Hillary supporters, we can believe her. It's classic you continually dismiss out of hand Democrat responsibility for anything. You may want to google the word "cynic." I think the word you were looking for is "lemur"

As I pointed out, the emails were circulated by Operation Chaos Operatives, pretending to be Hillary supporters as they were instructed to do.

So now you blindly believe the unsubstantiated accusations of the left. Again, "cynic," Google it ...

 

[kaz]

Actually it started when Obama told his publisher in roughly 1990 that he was born in Kenya. Obama was the original birther

Actually, this first birther crap reminds me of the Right trying to blame the first use of Obama's middle name on Hillary through Bob Kerry, a Clinton supporter. Mind you Limbaugh and others were using Obama's middle name more than a year before Kerry used it, but when the Clinton through Kerry lie didn't catch on Limbaugh and the Right then claimed Obama was the first to use his middle name politically, another lie.

I don't give a shit what it "reminds" you of

Everyone knows you don't give a shit about the truth.
The Right condemns Hillary based on the Clinton's "history" but when I show the history of the lying techniques the Right use, suddenly history doesn't matter any more!!!

Everyone, Queen Elizabeth? Curious why you don't have enough self confidence to speak for yourself. Why isn't your opinion worth anything on it's own?

And what you said was irrelevant

Especially Queen Elizabeth!

Penis envy? She has a bigger one than you do ...

 

[edthecynic]

Hillary and her team leaked it but it would take an honest Democrat to admit it, and they don't exist.

The Right just make up shit out of thin air and then lie in packs, AKA The Echo Chamber, but are not honest enough to admit it while accusing everyone of being dishonest who doesn't swallow their lies.

The Clintons have decades of lies, I'll take the story from a UK news source over the Clintons.

Your accusations are funny when you say the right makes up shit up out of thin air and then you support Hillary, you are either really stupid or just a partisan nut job.

The Echo Chamber has been lying about the Clintons for decades, including liars in the UK.

So you can't dispute shit, so you just say liar liar, typical Clinton supporter. Clintons have been caught in many lies yet you still believe them. You are a fool.

I posted the first birther mention which was on freerepublic a whole month BEFORE the earliest fake Clinton email.

 

[kaz]

Hillary and her team leaked it but it would take an honest Democrat to admit it, and they don't exist.

The Right just make up shit out of thin air and then lie in packs, AKA The Echo Chamber, but are not honest enough to admit it while accusing everyone of being dishonest who doesn't swallow their lies.

The Clintons have decades of lies, I'll take the story from a UK news source over the Clintons.

Your accusations are funny when you say the right makes up shit up out of thin air and then you support Hillary, you are either really stupid or just a partisan nut job.

The Echo Chamber has been lying about the Clintons for decades, including liars in the UK.

So you can't dispute shit, so you just say liar liar, typical Clinton supporter. Clintons have been caught in many lies yet you still believe them. You are a fool.

I posted the first birther mention which was on freerepublic a whole month BEFORE the earliest fake Clinton email.

Was it Obama in circa 1990? That was the first

 

[edthecynic]

The Right just make up shit out of thin air and then lie in packs, AKA The Echo Chamber, but are not honest enough to admit it while accusing everyone of being dishonest who doesn't swallow their lies.

The Clintons have decades of lies, I'll take the story from a UK news source over the Clintons.

Your accusations are funny when you say the right makes up shit up out of thin air and then you support Hillary, you are either really stupid or just a partisan nut job.

The Echo Chamber has been lying about the Clintons for decades, including liars in the UK.

So you can't dispute shit, so you just say liar liar, typical Clinton supporter. Clintons have been caught in many lies yet you still believe them. You are a fool.

I posted the first birther mention which was on freerepublic a whole month BEFORE the earliest fake Clinton email.

Was it Obama in circa 1990? That was the first

So now you admit it wasn't Clinton!!!!
Thank you.

 

[kaz]

The Clintons have decades of lies, I'll take the story from a UK news source over the Clintons.

Your accusations are funny when you say the right makes up shit up out of thin air and then you support Hillary, you are either really stupid or just a partisan nut job.

The Echo Chamber has been lying about the Clintons for decades, including liars in the UK.

So you can't dispute shit, so you just say liar liar, typical Clinton supporter. Clintons have been caught in many lies yet you still believe them. You are a fool.

I posted the first birther mention which was on freerepublic a whole month BEFORE the earliest fake Clinton email.

Was it Obama in circa 1990? That was the first

So now you admit it wasn't Clinton!!!!
Thank you.

Non sequitur. You changed from starting the birther movement (Hillary) to who made the first claim he was born in Kenya (Obama)

 

[Papageorgio]

Hillary and her team leaked it but it would take an honest Democrat to admit it, and they don't exist.

The Right just make up shit out of thin air and then lie in packs, AKA The Echo Chamber, but are not honest enough to admit it while accusing everyone of being dishonest who doesn't swallow their lies.

The Clintons have decades of lies, I'll take the story from a UK news source over the Clintons.

Your accusations are funny when you say the right makes up shit up out of thin air and then you support Hillary, you are either really stupid or just a partisan nut job.

The Echo Chamber has been lying about the Clintons for decades, including liars in the UK.

So you can't dispute shit, so you just say liar liar, typical Clinton supporter. Clintons have been caught in many lies yet you still believe them. You are a fool.

I posted the first birther mention which was on freerepublic a whole month BEFORE the earliest fake Clinton email.

Sorry, it came from the Clintons, don't like the truth, too bad, so sad.

 

[edthecynic]

The Echo Chamber has been lying about the Clintons for decades, including liars in the UK.

So you can't dispute shit, so you just say liar liar, typical Clinton supporter. Clintons have been caught in many lies yet you still believe them. You are a fool.

I posted the first birther mention which was on freerepublic a whole month BEFORE the earliest fake Clinton email.

Was it Obama in circa 1990? That was the first

So now you admit it wasn't Clinton!!!!
Thank you.

Non sequitur. You changed from starting the birther movement (Hillary) to who made the first claim he was born in Kenya (Obama)

No, I showed the GOP's birther movement started on freerepublic more than a month before the first Operation Chaos fake Clinton supporter email. I never made any claim about Kenya.

 

[edthecynic]

The Right just make up shit out of thin air and then lie in packs, AKA The Echo Chamber, but are not honest enough to admit it while accusing everyone of being dishonest who doesn't swallow their lies.

The Clintons have decades of lies, I'll take the story from a UK news source over the Clintons.

Your accusations are funny when you say the right makes up shit up out of thin air and then you support Hillary, you are either really stupid or just a partisan nut job.

The Echo Chamber has been lying about the Clintons for decades, including liars in the UK.

So you can't dispute shit, so you just say liar liar, typical Clinton supporter. Clintons have been caught in many lies yet you still believe them. You are a fool.

I posted the first birther mention which was on freerepublic a whole month BEFORE the earliest fake Clinton email.

Sorry, it came from the Clintons, don't like the truth, too bad, so sad.

Nope, Operation Chaos owns it, and you know it.

 

[Syriusly]

[Q
Obama lied about Obama's country of birth before Trump did. And Hillary raised it as a political issue before Trump did. And it was a lie, he was born in Hawaii. Obama's in fact the only person I've ever heard of who got his own country of birth wrong

President Obama never lied about his country of birth- and has stated consistently and repeatedly since 1990 that he was born in Hawaii.

Clinton never even mentioned President Obama's place of birth- and ridiculed the idea when asked about it.

Compare that to Donald- Donald has been questioning President Obama's place of birth regularly and openly since 2011.

Donald Trump- Big Ol' idiotic Birther- and GOP nominee.

LOL

 

[kaz]

So you can't dispute shit, so you just say liar liar, typical Clinton supporter. Clintons have been caught in many lies yet you still believe them. You are a fool.

I posted the first birther mention which was on freerepublic a whole month BEFORE the earliest fake Clinton email.

Was it Obama in circa 1990? That was the first

So now you admit it wasn't Clinton!!!!
Thank you.

Non sequitur. You changed from starting the birther movement (Hillary) to who made the first claim he was born in Kenya (Obama)

No, I showed the GOP's birther movement started on freerepublic more than a month before the first Operation Chaos fake Clinton supporter email. I never made any claim about Kenya.

You're confusing your own points. The "movement" started with Hillary, before that it was only Obama who said he was born in Kenya, but there was no movement. Just him

 

[Syriusly]

It was out there long before the 2008 campaign but it is true that the Clinton supporters kicked it up a notch.

"False rumours about Mr Obama’s background first surfaced in 2004, in Illinois, where he was a state senator. Andy Martin, a perennial local candidate and litigant, claimed Mr Obama was secretly Muslim.

Related theories — including that he was radicalised in a “madrassa” in Indonesia — developed after Mr Obama entered the national stage with a speech to the Democratic National Convention later that year.

In 2005, Mr Obama went to Washington as the junior US senator for Illinois. The rumours about him persisted, but seemingly failed to take hold among political insiders and voters alike.

It was not until April 2008, at the height of the intensely bitter Democratic presidential primary process, that the touch paper was properly lit.

An anonymous email circulated by supporters of Mrs Clinton, Mr Obama’s main rival for the party’s nomination, thrust a new allegation into the national spotlight — that he had not been born in Hawaii."

Birther row began with Hillary Clinton

The lie that Barack Obama was not born in the US has been fuelled by fringe Republicans

It was not until last month, and the emergence of the property tycoon Donald Trump as a potential Republican presidential candidate, that the issue was thrust back into national prominence.

Mr Trump outed himself as a “birther” in an interview on his private jet on March 17. “The reason I have a little doubt — just a little — is because he grew up and nobody knew him,” he told ABC News.

Over the following weeks, Mr Trump reiterated his comments repeatedly. He added a string of further allegations, including that Mr Obama’s grandmother had recalled witnessing his birth in Kenya, which were simply not true.

Donald Trump- fringe Republican- Birther

More bullshit by the liberals who support a liar.

We don't support the liar and BirtherTrump- though he is by far the most liberal Republican who was in the primary this year.

Hillary has flat out lied on many fronts, the liberals are voting for her. If you wNt to bitch about Trumps lies, go right ahead, it's hypocritical of you but that isn't anything new either.


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LOL- so your panties get in a wad if I point out Trump's lies- just because Clinton has lied too?

Are you really saying that since all politicians lies we shouldn't point out any of them?

Or are you saying that we need to give equal time to lie coverage?

 

[Syriusly]

I posted the first birther mention which was on freerepublic a whole month BEFORE the earliest fake Clinton email.

Was it Obama in circa 1990? That was the first

So now you admit it wasn't Clinton!!!!
Thank you.

Non sequitur. You changed from starting the birther movement (Hillary) to who made the first claim he was born in Kenya (Obama)

No, I showed the GOP's birther movement started on freerepublic more than a month before the first Operation Chaos fake Clinton supporter email. I never made any claim about Kenya.

You're confusing your own points. The "movement" started with Hillary, before that it was only Obama who said he was born in Kenya, but there was no movement. Just him

Or to be accurate before that it is only Kaz lying about what President Obama said.

 

[Syriusly]

Hillary and her team leaked it but it would take an honest Democrat to admit it, and they don't exist.

There is no evidence that Clinton or her team leaked it.

It would take an honest Birther to admit it- and you don't exist.

 

[kaz]

[Q
Obama lied about Obama's country of birth before Trump did. And Hillary raised it as a political issue before Trump did. And it was a lie, he was born in Hawaii. Obama's in fact the only person I've ever heard of who got his own country of birth wrong

President Obama never lied about his country of birth- and has stated consistently and repeatedly since 1990 that he was born in Hawaii.

Clinton never even mentioned President Obama's place of birth- and ridiculed the idea when asked about it.

Compare that to Donald- Donald has been questioning President Obama's place of birth regularly and openly since 2011.

Donald Trump- Big Ol' idiotic Birther- and GOP nominee.

LOL

That he has also told the truth about where he was born doesn't mean he never lied about it

 

[kaz]

Was it Obama in circa 1990? That was the first

So now you admit it wasn't Clinton!!!!
Thank you.

Non sequitur. You changed from starting the birther movement (Hillary) to who made the first claim he was born in Kenya (Obama)

No, I showed the GOP's birther movement started on freerepublic more than a month before the first Operation Chaos fake Clinton supporter email. I never made any claim about Kenya.

You're confusing your own points. The "movement" started with Hillary, before that it was only Obama who said he was born in Kenya, but there was no movement. Just him

Or to be accurate before that it is only Kaz lying about what President Obama said.

Nope, his publisher did

 

[Papageorgio]

The Clintons have decades of lies, I'll take the story from a UK news source over the Clintons.

Your accusations are funny when you say the right makes up shit up out of thin air and then you support Hillary, you are either really stupid or just a partisan nut job.

The Echo Chamber has been lying about the Clintons for decades, including liars in the UK.

So you can't dispute shit, so you just say liar liar, typical Clinton supporter. Clintons have been caught in many lies yet you still believe them. You are a fool.

I posted the first birther mention which was on freerepublic a whole month BEFORE the earliest fake Clinton email.

Sorry, it came from the Clintons, don't like the truth, too bad, so sad.

Nope, Operation Chaos owns it, and you know it.

Lol! Denial is a good tool for you nutters.


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[Papageorgio]

It was out there long before the 2008 campaign but it is true that the Clinton supporters kicked it up a notch.

"False rumours about Mr Obama’s background first surfaced in 2004, in Illinois, where he was a state senator. Andy Martin, a perennial local candidate and litigant, claimed Mr Obama was secretly Muslim.

Related theories — including that he was radicalised in a “madrassa” in Indonesia — developed after Mr Obama entered the national stage with a speech to the Democratic National Convention later that year.

In 2005, Mr Obama went to Washington as the junior US senator for Illinois. The rumours about him persisted, but seemingly failed to take hold among political insiders and voters alike.

It was not until April 2008, at the height of the intensely bitter Democratic presidential primary process, that the touch paper was properly lit.

An anonymous email circulated by supporters of Mrs Clinton, Mr Obama’s main rival for the party’s nomination, thrust a new allegation into the national spotlight — that he had not been born in Hawaii."

Birther row began with Hillary Clinton

The lie that Barack Obama was not born in the US has been fuelled by fringe Republicans

It was not until last month, and the emergence of the property tycoon Donald Trump as a potential Republican presidential candidate, that the issue was thrust back into national prominence.

Mr Trump outed himself as a “birther” in an interview on his private jet on March 17. “The reason I have a little doubt — just a little — is because he grew up and nobody knew him,” he told ABC News.

Over the following weeks, Mr Trump reiterated his comments repeatedly. He added a string of further allegations, including that Mr Obama’s grandmother had recalled witnessing his birth in Kenya, which were simply not true.

Donald Trump- fringe Republican- Birther

More bullshit by the liberals who support a liar.

We don't support the liar and BirtherTrump- though he is by far the most liberal Republican who was in the primary this year.

Hillary has flat out lied on many fronts, the liberals are voting for her. If you wNt to bitch about Trumps lies, go right ahead, it's hypocritical of you but that isn't anything new either.


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LOL- so your panties get in a wad if I point out Trump's lies- just because Clinton has lied too?

Are you really saying that since all politicians lies we shouldn't point out any of them?

Or are you saying that we need to give equal time to lie coverage?

Trump is almost as big of a liar as Clinton. Not sure what one has to do with the other.


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[Syriusly]

It was out there long before the 2008 campaign but it is true that the Clinton supporters kicked it up a notch.

"False rumours about Mr Obama’s background first surfaced in 2004, in Illinois, where he was a state senator. Andy Martin, a perennial local candidate and litigant, claimed Mr Obama was secretly Muslim.

Related theories — including that he was radicalised in a “madrassa” in Indonesia — developed after Mr Obama entered the national stage with a speech to the Democratic National Convention later that year.

In 2005, Mr Obama went to Washington as the junior US senator for Illinois. The rumours about him persisted, but seemingly failed to take hold among political insiders and voters alike.

It was not until April 2008, at the height of the intensely bitter Democratic presidential primary process, that the touch paper was properly lit.

An anonymous email circulated by supporters of Mrs Clinton, Mr Obama’s main rival for the party’s nomination, thrust a new allegation into the national spotlight — that he had not been born in Hawaii."

Birther row began with Hillary Clinton

Actually it started when Obama told his publisher in roughly 1990 that he was born in Kenya. Obama was the original birther

Well that is a lie on two fronts.

President Obama never told his publisher that he was born in Kenya

And the Birther movement didn't find that pamphlet until 2012- 4 years after Birthers started Birthering- and a full year after Trump came out of the closet as a Birther.

Unless Trump has a time machine he just swallowed the Birther lies wholesale.