True or false: any personal freedom that brings harm to society in general should...

[Katzndogz]

Most people, as well exhibited here, don't understand the difference between freedom and license.

The EU is deciding that your backyard garden bring general harm to society and is criminalizing all seeds and plants not under government authority. Your flowers could land you in jail.

BREAKING: European Commission to criminalize nearly all seeds and plants not registered with government

What happens with absolute authority is that so few realize what absolute means and what the terms "general harm" means. Everyone, no matter who they are or what they do, brings general harm to someone.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

A lot of Authoritarian Statists on this board. Are they for real, or is it an act they play on the tron?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Most people, as well exhibited here, don't understand the difference between freedom and license.

The EU is deciding that your backyard garden bring general harm to society and is criminalizing all seeds and plants not under government authority. Your flowers could land you in jail.

BREAKING: European Commission to criminalize nearly all seeds and plants not registered with government

What happens with absolute authority is that so few realize what absolute means and what the terms "general harm" means. Everyone, no matter who they are or what they do, brings general harm to someone.

So? There are places in the US where they can fine you if don't paint your house the right color.

 

[Oddball]

["Society" doesn't even exist, in the corporeal sense...Ergo any "harm" that may or may not be said to befall it would be entirely subjective opinion.

Answer: False.

Wrong. Human beings are social animals by nature, in the same manner as most other primates, canines, etc.

Human 'society' is the natural condition, so of course the good of the 'society' is a natural concern.

That's your opinion, pal...Exactly what I was getting at.

I cannot borrow from you a bucket of "society", with the promise that I'll repay you with a barrel of it at the end of the month.....Therefore, any construct you care to pile around what, in your opinion, constitutes the mythical "society" is equally a matter of subjective opinion.

 

[Katzndogz]

Most people, as well exhibited here, don't understand the difference between freedom and license.

The EU is deciding that your backyard garden bring general harm to society and is criminalizing all seeds and plants not under government authority. Your flowers could land you in jail.

BREAKING: European Commission to criminalize nearly all seeds and plants not registered with government

What happens with absolute authority is that so few realize what absolute means and what the terms "general harm" means. Everyone, no matter who they are or what they do, brings general harm to someone.

So? There are places in the US where they can fine you if don't paint your house the right color.

The government can't fine you. The homeowner voluntarily enters into an association where they agree in advance what color to paint their house. This has nothing to do with the government. If you don't like it, don't buy your house there.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Most people, as well exhibited here, don't understand the difference between freedom and license.

The EU is deciding that your backyard garden bring general harm to society and is criminalizing all seeds and plants not under government authority. Your flowers could land you in jail.

BREAKING: European Commission to criminalize nearly all seeds and plants not registered with government

What happens with absolute authority is that so few realize what absolute means and what the terms "general harm" means. Everyone, no matter who they are or what they do, brings general harm to someone.

So? There are places in the US where they can fine you if don't paint your house the right color.

probably there certainly are places

that can fine you if you do not maintain your yard

 

[iamwhatiseem]

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There are many people in the country who would clearly be more comfortable with an increasingly governmentally authoritarian environment. What I don't know is whether their numbers have been increasing or whether they're just becoming louder. Maybe it's both.

But I'll never understand the trust and faith these people have in authoritarians.

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Agreed.
Throughout mankind's history there is one absolute - the measure of corruption can be accessed by the level of power one holds. The more power, the more corrupt. This is inarguable.
In the words of the late Milton Friedman.."Just who are these angels you speak of that will organize society for us?"
In America individual rights temper the power of central government. And as we can clearly see today...as individual rights erode - the corruption of our government grows.

 

[NYcarbineer]

["Society" doesn't even exist, in the corporeal sense...Ergo any "harm" that may or may not be said to befall it would be entirely subjective opinion.

Answer: False.

Wrong. Human beings are social animals by nature, in the same manner as most other primates, canines, etc.

Human 'society' is the natural condition, so of course the good of the 'society' is a natural concern.

What's good for the individual is ultimately good for "society"

Well, if you were an individual who was drafted into the military, and lost both your legs , or was killed outright, fighting,
but your 'society' won the war, you might disagree with that.

 

[Ravi]

...be outlawed.

True.

How about some examples?

 

[editec]

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There are many people in the country who would clearly be more comfortable with an increasingly governmentally authoritarian environment. What I don't know is whether their numbers have been increasing or whether they're just becoming louder. Maybe it's both.

But I'll never understand the trust and faith these people have in authoritarians.

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And yet you would make every individual an authoritarian?

You know, speaking of the issue of individual v common rights in ABSOLUTE terms makes the discussions completely senseless.

ARe you calling for the elimination of all common laws?

No you're not.

But that is what you seem to be saying.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Most people, as well exhibited here, don't understand the difference between freedom and license.

The EU is deciding that your backyard garden bring general harm to society and is criminalizing all seeds and plants not under government authority. Your flowers could land you in jail.

BREAKING: European Commission to criminalize nearly all seeds and plants not registered with government

What happens with absolute authority is that so few realize what absolute means and what the terms "general harm" means. Everyone, no matter who they are or what they do, brings general harm to someone.

So? There are places in the US where they can fine you if don't paint your house the right color.

The government can't fine you. The homeowner voluntarily enters into an association where they agree in advance what color to paint their house. This has nothing to do with the government. If you don't like it, don't buy your house there.

Well then the people in Europe can move if they don't like the seed laws.

 

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[DiamondDave]

...be outlawed.

True.

Personal freedoms and rights that harm or take away the personal freedoms and rights of another citizen...

You could claim that not having complete wealth redistribution 'hurts' the 'society' because everyone is not being coddled and given all their 'needs'..

Freedom comes with its positives AND negatives.. and you can't try and take away those negatives without also taking away the positives

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

False.

America is a nation of immigrants. You'd be hard pressed to predict what would be considered harmful to a society depending upon their beliefs. A burger king on the wrong corner ( example: a muslim neighborhood ) could be construed as oppression and grounds for jihad. The possible scenarios are endless. Owning a car or a television ( hollywood nonsense ) might be considered harmful to the Amish but it is doubtful the rest of America would agree to give up their cars or televisions.

The correct answer is FALSE - imo.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Most people, as well exhibited here, don't understand the difference between freedom and license.

The EU is deciding that your backyard garden bring general harm to society and is criminalizing all seeds and plants not under government authority. Your flowers could land you in jail.

BREAKING: European Commission to criminalize nearly all seeds and plants not registered with government

What happens with absolute authority is that so few realize what absolute means and what the terms "general harm" means. Everyone, no matter who they are or what they do, brings general harm to someone.

So? There are places in the US where they can fine you if don't paint your house the right color.

The government can't fine you. The homeowner voluntarily enters into an association where they agree in advance what color to paint their house. This has nothing to do with the government. If you don't like it, don't buy your house there.

You simply cannot refrain from being the least intelligent poster on this forum can you?

Why is that?

Changing Colors: Purple House Owner Decides To Comply With Lubbock City Ordinance - KCBD NewsChannel 11 Lubbock

There's one of many examples.

Tell me how many examples you would need to admit you're an idiot and I'll see if I can accommodate you.

 

[nodoginnafight]

As usual there is no simple answer. I'm sorry that simpletons seem to require one. However, an individuals rights should not be infringed due to some vague, ill-defined "harm" to society in general.

The victimization of another individual has to be firmly established before an individual right can be infringed. The threat or harm to society has to be very clear and direct.

Just MHO

 

[kwc57]

...be outlawed.

True.

Outlawed is a harsh word.

And I would say any personal freedom that potentially brings harm.... should be pragmatically regulated.


Like kiddie porn.... and assault weapons available to consumers. What the hell do they need to assault, some pumpkins and cans?

"He hates those cans!!"

You're in luck, they aren't. Oh wait, you mean the firearms that look scary don't you?

 

[Mac1958]

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There are many people in the country who would clearly be more comfortable with an increasingly governmentally authoritarian environment. What I don't know is whether their numbers have been increasing or whether they're just becoming louder. Maybe it's both.

But I'll never understand the trust and faith these people have in authoritarians.

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And yet you would make every individual an authoritarian?

You know, speaking of the issue of individual v common rights in ABSOLUTE terms makes the discussions completely senseless.

ARe you calling for the elimination of all common laws?

No you're not.

But that is what you seem to be saying.

Y'know, I try to choose my words carefully.

I purposely wrote the phrase "increasingly authoritarian" because most issues exist on a continuum, most of life is not simplistic, black & white. I also used that phrase so that no one would come along and say something like I'm "calling for the elimination of all common laws".

Looks like my effort was wasted.

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[nodoginnafight]

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There are many people in the country who would clearly be more comfortable with an increasingly governmentally authoritarian environment. What I don't know is whether their numbers have been increasing or whether they're just becoming louder. Maybe it's both.

But I'll never understand the trust and faith these people have in authoritarians.

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And yet you would make every individual an authoritarian?

You know, speaking of the issue of individual v common rights in ABSOLUTE terms makes the discussions completely senseless.

ARe you calling for the elimination of all common laws?

No you're not.

But that is what you seem to be saying.

Y'know, I try to choose my words carefully.

I purposely wrote the phrase "increasingly authoritarian" because most issues exist on a continuum, most of life is not simplistic, black & white. I also used that phrase so that no one would come along and say something like I'm "calling for the elimination of all common laws".

Looks like my effort was wasted.

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Precise and nuanced positions are frequently met with derision by folks who don't have the attention span to read and comprehend them. They look for a catch-phrase or two and fire back with their own catch phrases. To heck with them. You aren't responsible for their issues.

Keep up the good work.

 

[nodoginnafight]

...be outlawed.

True.

Personal freedoms and rights that harm or take away the personal freedoms and rights of another citizen...

You could claim that not having complete wealth redistribution 'hurts' the 'society' because everyone is not being coddled and given all their 'needs'..

Freedom comes with its positives AND negatives.. and you can't try and take away those negatives without also taking away the positives

Yes, someone "can claim" darn near anything. The real question is do their claims have any merit. Our participatory form of government (and jurisprudence) is based on the principle that people, in general, are reasonable and capable of making reasonable determinations on a case-by-case basis.

People will decide for themselves which cases have merit and which do not. There is no need for a sweeping proclamation one way or another. Eventually, the opinion of the majority will dictate policy. And that holds true whether you think the majority is right or whether you think the majority is wrong.