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I think the biggest problem for Republicans is they lack the nads to confront TrumpHe has lost support. Lost "a lot" of support? I'm not so sure.
From your link:
Driving the news: A new USA Today/Suffolk poll found Trump's favorability among Republicans dropped from 75% in October to 64% in December — below the 70% threshold generally viewed as a Mendoza line for support within a candidate's own party.
A better way to put it would be that Trump still has a lot of support. Losing ten points in the least favorable poll listed doesn't seem like a lot, given that in was still at 64%. 64% would mean another landslide for him in the primary.
- A Quinnipiac poll out Wednesday puts Trump's favorability among GOP voters right at 70% — his lowest mark in the survey since March 2016.
- And a new Wall Street Journal poll has him at 74% — above the Mendoza line, but a 11% decline since March.
That would be one to worry about, if those results were consistent in other polls. But only if DeSantis actually runs. I think DeSantis would be unwise to run in 2024. In 2028, he will have a wide open field. The aging GOP establishment will be even more aged, there won't be an incumbent president, assuming that it will be Biden v. Trump in 2024, and if Biden wins, all of his failures can be pinned on Newsome or whoever is nominated.
- Equally troubling for the former president: Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is dominating him in a hypothetical head-to-head primary, leading by 23 points (56%–33%) in the Suffolk poll and 14 points (52%–38%) in the WSJ poll.
The big picture: The conventional wisdom that Trump is the favorite to be the GOP nominee is no longer borne out by the polling data.
That statement does not seem supported by the numbers above, other than the head to head comparison with DeSantis.
But there is no reason to believe that the primary will be head to head. In 2016, Trump's big advantage was his competition being divided among several other opponents, all of whom had to scramble for the shrinking number of never-Trump voters.
If they had gotten together and picked one anti-Trump champion and the rest dropped out of the primary, they might have defeated him. But they were incapable of that, and would likely be again. Even if they did pick one to back, I doubt that it would be DeSantis.
You just rattled off a list of the most prominent Republicans. Obviously, if anyone were to run against Trump, it makes sense that it would be them. But that is a big "if."
But none of them have said anything at all about running for president in 2024 that I know of. Except for Pence who said that he and his family are giving it "prayerful consideration." Pence is definitely not already in. There was a false rumor floated that he had filed, but his people shot it down.
When his opponents are that timid, it is hard to take them seriously.
A serious third party run got us that slimeball Slick Willy with barely 40% of the vote.
Splitting the Conservative vote between a Republican and Trump would get us another Democrat piece of shit that could never win on his own.
Do you really think nobody is going to run for President besides Trump?You just rattled off a list of the most prominent Republicans. Obviously, if anyone were to run against Trump, it makes sense that it would be them. But that is a big "if."
But none of them have said anything at all about running for president in 2024 that I know of. Except for Pence who said that he and his family are giving it "prayerful consideration." Pence is definitely not already in. There was a false rumor floated that he had filed, but his people shot it down.
When his opponents are that timid, it is hard to take them seriously.
I believe that there are many, many people who would like to see DeSantis run. I'm not sure DeSantis is one of them, though.I'm seeing a lot of buzz and excitement for DeSantis too in circles you might not expect it. Many, many "open school moms" who were formerly Democrats will NOT vote for Trump but are eager to work for a DeSantis campaign. And I've been wrong before, but the momentum seems to be trending away from Trump.
Well, it's going to be Trump or nobody.A serious third party run got us that slimeball Slick Willy with barely 40% of the vote.
Splitting the Conservative vote between a Republican and Trump would get us another Democrat piece of shit that could never win on his own.
Do you really think nobody is going to run for President besides Trump?
There will be 10-12 competitors.
I'm curious if Trump gets "Bernied" with someone brokering a mass withdraw to consolidate the sizable anti-blob vote.
Trump appears in your stupid head continuously. You are insane.Former President Donald Trump has appeared to float the idea of running a third-party campaign if increasingly disgruntled Republican leaders don’t get behind his 2024 run for the presidency.
Trump Appears To Float Third-Party Threat If GOP Won't Back Him
If Republicans lose, it'll be what they deserve for not supporting Trump, warned the author of an article the former president posted on Truth Social.www.huffpost.com
Trump signaled the possibility by posting an article on Truth Social Wednesday ― “The Coming Split,” by Dan Gelernter, in the right-wing journal American Greatness ― promoting just such an option.
Gelernter believes such a move would torpedo Trump’s chances of winning the White House. But it would also wipe out Republican hopes, which Gelernter argued would be a deserving punishment for rejecting the popular former president.
To which I say.....Yes....Yes.....Yes.....Yes with handing the White House, Senate and House with whipped cream on top!!!
Well the "I'm not Trump" argument probably picked up a lot of traction given the disastrous administration he oversaw.If Republicans do not Bernie Trump, you can expect a repeat of 2016 with Trump making a large field fight among themselves as to who is the best Trump alternative
I think that someone will make a token effort. Probably someone very much like Bernie, a relative unknown with no reasonable chance to win. Bernie ran to keep it from being obvious that The Party had chosen Hillary without bothering to let the voters have a say.Do you really think nobody is going to run for President besides Trump?
There will be 10-12 competitors.
I'm curious if Trump gets "Bernied" with someone brokering a mass withdraw to consolidate the sizable anti-blob vote.
It will be fun to resurrect this thread in about a year.I think that someone will make a token effort. Probably someone very much like Bernie, a relative unknown with no reasonable chance to win. Bernie ran to keep it from being obvious that The Party had chosen Hillary without bothering to let the voters have a say.
If one serious candidate steps up, then I agree that there will be many competitors like the Clown Car of 2016. Pence, et al, are each waiting for someone else to be first. They want the cat belled, but none of the mice are willing to step up.
I believe that there are many, many people who would like to see DeSantis run. I'm not sure DeSantis is one of them, though.
Yes, exactly.DeSantis is being sold as the anti-Trump
Trumpism without the Trump baggage
Yes. That's why I don't expect DeSantis to run.I don’t see him doing well against Trump head to head.
Once the spotlight is focused on DeSantis, I think he will be revealed for what he is…….Dull and uninspiring
You don’t see much personality out of DeSantis. Forced smile, no joking or amusing stories….Stiff
Trump will steal his Lunch Money
What many don't get is that the "Trump baggage," is a direct product of Trump actually standing up to Dems and doing what he said he would do. What he said he would do is what the Establishment Reps have alsways said "should be" done, but they've never done it. They just rolled over for the Dems.
What could The Party do, though?I think the biggest problem for Republicans is they lack the nads to confront Trump
Most do not want to take on MAGA and will withstand Trumps petty taunts and baseless misinformation without retaliation
Trump will bully the other candidates and the party will do nothing to stop him
It's rather obvious RWer is living with a trespasser and that's why he hates MAGA.What could The Party do, though?
Trump's power to bully comes from his voters.
Unless The Party wants to reveal that they hate democracy just as much as Democrats do, they can't openly oppose the will of the voters.
The only ones who can go against him are politicians who can plausibly claim to also appeal to GOP voters. The problem for establishment GOPers is that while much of Trump's base is Republican voters who got tired of watching the GOP establishment constantly give the Democrats everything they wanted, like McConnell did in the latest spending spree, another large part of his base is working class voters who left the Democratic Party when they saw it turn from the party of the workers to the party of the wokers.
The GOP establishment will hold no appeal to them at all.
Where is the evidence? Certainly not in the OP link. Only in the mind of the TDS suffererTrump is counting on that to blackmail his party
3rd party candidates never win presidential elections. There are too many people entrenched in both major political parties and not enough people like me.Former President Donald Trump has appeared to float the idea of running a third-party campaign if increasingly disgruntled Republican leaders don’t get behind his 2024 run for the presidency.
Trump Appears To Float Third-Party Threat If GOP Won't Back Him
If Republicans lose, it'll be what they deserve for not supporting Trump, warned the author of an article the former president posted on Truth Social.
Trump signaled the possibility by posting an article on Truth Social Wednesday ― “The Coming Split,” by Dan Gelernter, in the right-wing journal American Greatness ― promoting just such an option.
Gelernter believes such a move would torpedo Trump’s chances of winning the White House. But it would also wipe out Republican hopes, which Gelernter argued would be a deserving punishment for rejecting the popular former president.
To which I say.....Yes....Yes.....Yes.....Yes with handing the White House, Senate and House with whipped cream on top!!!
