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Trump had multiple deferments, the son of a rich man. Not a single Trump child served in the military. The song might not be about him specifically, but It is certainly about men like him, silver spoon in hand.
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Now do Biden, then Obama and follow that up with Clinton.Trump had multiple deferments, the son of a rich man. Not a single Trump child served in the military. The song might not be about him specifically, but It is certainly about men like him, silver spoon in hand.
Now do Biden, then Obama and follow that up with Clinton.Trump had multiple deferments, the son of a rich man. Not a single Trump child served in the military. The song might not be about him specifically, but It is certainly about men like him, silver spoon in hand.
Why did Biden not go again? And why are we talking about his kid who was kicked out for drug use? Like that’s a place holder or something? What was Clinton’s deferment about again? Maybe you can bring some details to the discussion. I’m pretty sure we all know why Choom Gang could never join.Now do Biden, then Obama and follow that up with Clinton.Trump had multiple deferments, the son of a rich man. Not a single Trump child served in the military. The song might not be about him specifically, but It is certainly about men like him, silver spoon in hand.
Biden had a son who served. Clinton too had deferments. Obama was too young to be drafted nor was he born wealthy. Now, are done you with the what abouts since none of those three used that song?
Why did Biden not go again? And why are we talking about his kid who was kicked out for drug use? Like that’s a place holder or something? What was Clinton’s deferment about again? Maybe you can bring some details to the discussion. I’m pretty sure we all know why Choom Gang could never join.Now do Biden, then Obama and follow that up with Clinton.Trump had multiple deferments, the son of a rich man. Not a single Trump child served in the military. The song might not be about him specifically, but It is certainly about men like him, silver spoon in hand.
Biden had a son who served. Clinton too had deferments. Obama was too young to be drafted nor was he born wealthy. Now, are done you with the what abouts since none of those three used that song?
But it’s the song right? Let’s go after that.
Why are we changing kids now? Are we just going to ignore the one still alive? And how does anything you’ve posted indict Trumps kids? You yourself used obies age as a reason to get him out of this conversation. You also used Biden’s kids as place holders.Why did Biden not go again? And why are we talking about his kid who was kicked out for drug use? Like that’s a place holder or something? What was Clinton’s deferment about again? Maybe you can bring some details to the discussion. I’m pretty sure we all know why Choom Gang could never join.Now do Biden, then Obama and follow that up with Clinton.Trump had multiple deferments, the son of a rich man. Not a single Trump child served in the military. The song might not be about him specifically, but It is certainly about men like him, silver spoon in hand.
Biden had a son who served. Clinton too had deferments. Obama was too young to be drafted nor was he born wealthy. Now, are done you with the what abouts since none of those three used that song?
But it’s the song right? Let’s go after that.
Beau Biden was not kicked out for drug use. Now tell us more about Trump’s fortunate children?
Another America sucks post..........geesh......too dang long winded........no one is going to listen to you anyway.”Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel” is as true today as it was in England when patriotism meant rule over North America.On the other hand, your side is regularly showing disrespect to the nation during the National Anthem and are waging open insurrection in the streets.How appropriate!Donald Trump has managed to portray himself to many as “a man of the people“ and wraps himself in the Red, White & Blue. He portrays all his equally numerous hardcore opponents as “anti-American traitors.” The tragedy and absurdity of U.S. “cultural” politics was on display recently when he descended Air Force One ...
“President Donald Trump disembarked ... in Freeland, Michigan on Thursday night as Creedence Clearwater Revival's iconic song Fortunate Son boomed down on hundreds of his supporters waiting below.
“Fortunate Son is a 1969 protest song written by John Fogerty, a musician who was drafted for military service during the Vietnam war in 1966. After completing his active duty training in 1967, Fogerty then served in the Army Reserve and was discharged in 1968.
“The lyrics for Fortunate Son ... is built on the idea that class privilege divides America into two groups: ordinary individuals and wealthy ones "born with silver spoon in hand"....
“Some folks are born made to wave the flag. Ooh, they're red, white and blue," the song played as Trump descended from the plane. "It ain't me, it ain't me. I ain't no fortunate one, no."
Trump disembarks plane to a protest song about class privilege and rich people shirking military service
So, I would say Trump has a lock on the Pro-American position. and you guys got a lock on the Anti-American vote.
The so-called “pro-American position” is not pro-“American” at all. At best it is “pro-” the narrow interests of these dis-United States. Really it is meaningless for most intents and purposes. Especially in the mouths of Trumpsters, politicians and typical ultra-partisans of either party. One doesn’t need to listen to old protest songs to understand this. Misusing cultural icons in a “culture war,” wrapping oneself in the “Red, White & Blue” and singing “the fucking National Anthem” — it is a bad joke. Especially coming from people like Coral who has come out time and again in defense of that Old South “slave power” that tried to bring us down and then waged war against the U.S. Dishonest “patriotism” comes easy to people without integrity.
The Democrats also play fast and loose with flag-waving, and even sometimes adopt the most reactionary symbols of reactionary propaganda campaigns, as I showed here:
CDZ - Democrats raise “POW/MIA“ flag ...
Not that patriotism is necessarily a bad thing, or that U.S. society and culture are rotten to the core. There are great things about our country which has been blessed at times with great leaders and remarkable people. We forged the most democratic culture in the world and we still have a “free country” and important democratic Republican institutions. Too bad we are loosing our bearings, and don’t seem to understand our country is not even all of America, let alone the world. We cannot and should not aspire to be policeman of the world. We cannot inspire the world with mindless flag waving — that way lies madness. Internationalism is the patriotism of humanity.
Hunter Biden did .......i.d. and bag of drugs in the rental car.Why did Biden not go again? And why are we talking about his kid who was kicked out for drug use? Like that’s a place holder or something? What was Clinton’s deferment about again? Maybe you can bring some details to the discussion. I’m pretty sure we all know why Choom Gang could never join.Now do Biden, then Obama and follow that up with Clinton.Trump had multiple deferments, the son of a rich man. Not a single Trump child served in the military. The song might not be about him specifically, but It is certainly about men like him, silver spoon in hand.
Biden had a son who served. Clinton too had deferments. Obama was too young to be drafted nor was he born wealthy. Now, are done you with the what abouts since none of those three used that song?
But it’s the song right? Let’s go after that.
Beau Biden was not kicked out for drug use. Now tell us more about Trump’s fortunate children?
Your complete ignorance of history is apparent.Trump had multiple deferments, the son of a rich man.
”Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel” is as true today as it was in England when patriotism meant rule over North America.On the other hand, your side is regularly showing disrespect to the nation during the National Anthem and are waging open insurrection in the streets.How appropriate!Donald Trump has managed to portray himself to many as “a man of the people“ and wraps himself in the Red, White & Blue. He portrays all his equally numerous hardcore opponents as “anti-American traitors.” The tragedy and absurdity of U.S. “cultural” politics was on display recently when he descended Air Force One ...
“President Donald Trump disembarked ... in Freeland, Michigan on Thursday night as Creedence Clearwater Revival's iconic song Fortunate Son boomed down on hundreds of his supporters waiting below.
“Fortunate Son is a 1969 protest song written by John Fogerty, a musician who was drafted for military service during the Vietnam war in 1966. After completing his active duty training in 1967, Fogerty then served in the Army Reserve and was discharged in 1968.
“The lyrics for Fortunate Son ... is built on the idea that class privilege divides America into two groups: ordinary individuals and wealthy ones "born with silver spoon in hand"....
“Some folks are born made to wave the flag. Ooh, they're red, white and blue," the song played as Trump descended from the plane. "It ain't me, it ain't me. I ain't no fortunate one, no."
Trump disembarks plane to a protest song about class privilege and rich people shirking military service
So, I would say Trump has a lock on the Pro-American position. and you guys got a lock on the Anti-American vote.
The so-called “pro-American position” is not pro-“American” at all. At best it is “pro-” the narrow interests of these dis-United States. Really it is meaningless for most intents and purposes. Especially in the mouths of Trumpsters, politicians and typical ultra-partisans of either party. One doesn’t need to listen to old protest songs to understand this. Misusing cultural icons in a “culture war,” wrapping oneself in the “Red, White & Blue” and singing “the fucking National Anthem” — it is a bad joke.
Especially coming from people like Coral who has come out time and again in defense of that Old South “slave power” that tried to bring us down and then waged war against the U.S. Dishonest “patriotism” comes easy to people without integrity.
https://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/democrats-raise-pow-mia-flag.848991/The Democrats also play fast and loose with flag-waving, and even sometimes adopt the most reactionary symbols of reactionary propaganda campaigns, as I showed here:
CDZ - Democrats raise “POW/MIA“ flag ...
Not that patriotism is necessarily a bad thing, or that U.S. society and culture are rotten to the core. There are great things about our country which has been blessed at times with great leaders and remarkable people. We forged the most democratic culture in the world and we still have a “free country” and important democratic Republican institutions. Too bad we are loosing our bearings, and don’t seem to understand our country is not even all of America, let alone the world. We cannot and should not aspire to be policeman of the world. We cannot inspire the world with mindless flag waving — that way lies madness. Internationalism is the patriotism of humanity.
It started with Clinton and then the black (big eared) mascot of Wall Street pretty much ended all support for the working class. Biden will follow in their footsteps.Well Tom, you're assuming that because he is wealthy he doesn't care about hard working people. Trump got along great with all the workers at his construction sites. His workers respected him, and vice versa. The democrats however, are still trying to hike higher taxes on working people and pushing as many jobs as they can overseas. When did democrats stop being the party of working people?Donald Trump has managed to portray himself to many as “a man of the people“ and wraps himself in the Red, White & Blue. He portrays all his equally numerous hardcore opponents as “anti-American traitors.” The tragedy and absurdity of U.S. “cultural” politics was on display recently when he descended Air Force One ...
“President Donald Trump disembarked ... in Freeland, Michigan on Thursday night as Creedence Clearwater Revival's iconic song Fortunate Son boomed down on hundreds of his supporters waiting below.
“Fortunate Son is a 1969 protest song written by John Fogerty, a musician who was drafted for military service during the Vietnam war in 1966. After completing his active duty training in 1967, Fogerty then served in the Army Reserve and was discharged in 1968.
“The lyrics for Fortunate Son ... is built on the idea that class privilege divides America into two groups: ordinary individuals and wealthy ones "born with silver spoon in hand"....
“Some folks are born made to wave the flag. Ooh, they're red, white and blue," the song played as Trump descended from the plane. "It ain't me, it ain't me. I ain't no fortunate one, no."
Trump disembarks plane to a protest song about class privilege and rich people shirking military service