Trump lies to Trudeau and then brags about it to donors

[BULLDOG]

Since Trudeau is a legitimate leader of his country, and knows how important facts are, he probably knew Trump-0 was lying at the time. He was certainly informed of the lie as soon as the meeting as over. I guarantee that he didn't go to Fox And Friends to make that determination.

 

[frigidweirdo]

You mean, apart from taking credit for things he didn't do, treating world leaders like shit, treating allies like shit, lying all the time, making the presidency look like an entertainment channel, increasing debt, putting policies in place that will cause a lot of poorer people to suffer in the future while the rich will get richer and richer?

Nothing... reminds me of Monty Python. What have the Romans ever done for us?

Taking credit for things he didn't do amounts to, approximately, saying shit you don't like. No real world effect.

Treating world leaders like shit? He hasn't actually been doing anything to other world leaders, so again, you're just talking about him saying shit that you don't like.

Treating allies like shit? He hasn't ended any alliance treaties, hasn't actually pulled funding from NATO or the UN. So basically just saying shit to and about allies that you don't like.

Lying all the time? Your dubious definition of a Trump lie aside, again, saying shit that you don't like.

Making the presidency look like an entertainment channel? Saying shit that you don't like.

Increasing debt? Holy shit! Finally something material in your string of dumbshit accusations!

Putting policies in place that will cause poorer people to suffer. Material again! Good job! That puts you at 2 for 7 in finding complaints about Trump that don't simly amount to saying shit that you don't like! It's an F, granted, but it's better than 0!

Basically, then, what you're saying is that any ol' dumbshit high school kid could do a better job as president, because Trump pulled the individual mandate, signed the tax cuts, and said shit that you don't like? I'm thinking that you either have a highly inflated opinion of the value of saying shit that pleases you, or you have a highly inflated sense of the efficacy of high school kids.

Well, taking credit for things he didn't do is DISHONEST. It's not a matter of whether I like it or not, it's dishonest.

Hasn't been doing anything to world leaders? I mean, we're not talking blow jobs here. We're talking words.

Okay, some evidence seeing as you're blind.

Donald Trump admits making up 'facts' in trade meeting with Justin Trudeau

Trump goes to Canadian Prime Minister, makes shit up and then brags about it afterwards. Hugely disrespectful.

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Trump basically went and said the UK should leave the EU, not only hurting the EU but also British PM at the time David Cameron who was to then resign because of the leave vote.

Trump hits out at May over tweet criticism

With Teresa May, he re-tweeted a Britain First post. For the Tories Britain First and other such far right groups are a problem because they take votes away from the Tory Party, and Trump is essentially bigging them up. Interfering in UK politics AND damaging the political party of the Prime Minister.

Then she criticized him for doing it and he hit back. As diplomatic as telling someone to "fuck off".

U.S.-Australia Rift Is Possible After Trump Ends Call With Prime Minister

He calls a deal with Australia "dumb" and hangs up on the Australian PM.

China protests at Trump-Taiwan call

He called Taiwan soon after his election, annoying the hell out of China.

Do I go on?

How did you miss all of this?

No, Trump lies.

Go up to the first link. He actually ADMITTED he lied to the Canadian PM.

Opinion | President Trump’s Lies, the Definitive List

Trump's lies. Now, you're very welcome to go through the list and point out why none of these are lies.

There seems to be some misunderstanding, here. When I said he hasn't actually "done" anything to any world leaders, you have to forgive my careless word choice. See, I grew up in an era where saying things to someone and taking physical action against them were considered separate concepts. I forgot that we now live in a snowflake paradise where words are violence, too. Well, sorry, but I'm not conceding that ground, no matter how popular that bullshit's gotten. When I say he hasn't actually done anything to them, I mean he hasn't actually taken action against them as president.

That's an impressive list of shit he's said that you don't like, tho. The only part that's not impressive is that there are zero examples on this list where Trump saying that thing actually led to the calamities that you lefties said would result. You're right, though. When you take credit for something that you haven't done, that's dishonest. I can't figure out how that has adversely affected the nation, or how we'd be measurably better off otherwise, or how it's in any way relevant in assessing his performance as president, but it is certainly dishonest. Anyway. . .

Trump ran off at the mouth with Trudeau. Has our relationship with Canada changed in any significant or material way?

Trump said the UK should leave the EU. Is the European Union, a union created for the specific purpose of international trade, going to stop doing business with the largest market on the planet? Not likely.

Trump ran off at the mouth at Theresa May. Anything change in our alliance with the UK?

Trump hung up on the Australian PM. They declaring war, yet? Introducing trade sanctions? We ain't fuckin no more?

China didn't like the Taiwan call, granted. Yet, for some reason, they still treat Trump with infinitely more respect than they treated Obama. Tell me, from your observations, what, specifically, has been the negative fallout that resulted from that phone call?

Here's the thing, and if you can actually truly accept this fact, it will serve you well: Your feelings are not an infallible indicator of right and wrong. The fact that you fear certain consequences of Trump's words isn't necessarily indicative of the wisdom or lack thereof inherent in what he's saying. It might just be indicative of your own thin skin.

It would seem you don't understand diplomacy. You must accept my apologies for thinking that people actually know stuff in this day and age.

So, tweets, which were in the links I provided, were there. Trump didn't deny any of this shit. It happened. You can go bullshitting around, but the evidence is FAR MORE than anything you've provided, so excuse me for not giving a shit about your little lacking evidence rant.

Has the US's relationship with Canada changed? It's only just happened, and yes, the relationship will probably be hurt a little. Do it again and again and it could be far more damaged than you could ever have thought.

Has anything changed in the alliance with the UK? Sure. It's colder. Would the UK go to war with the US over something like oil as they did in 2003? Probably not. They think Trump's a dick and they keep up their side of diplomacy, but that doesn't mean it's the same as it used to be.

China doesn't treat Trump with respect. You clearly don't understand what the Chinese are doing and how they see the US.

So, here's the thing. You ignore stuff that happens. You don't care. Someone points out stuff to you and you don't understand it, you don't know what's going on. You think it's all the same as it was. It's not.

But then too many people on this forum aren't open to new ideas and it gets rather tiring trying to explain stuff to people who then just say "fake news" or some stupid shit like that.

I'm not claiming to be an expert on diplomacy, but I do know that being endlessly agreeable ain't an effective stance in ANY form of negotiation. I know that making it your first priority to avoid offending and angering the people around you is a great way to get treated like a doormat by everyone around you. I also know that the US's strength in diplomatic talks lies not in our ability to kiss the ass of other world leaders, but lies in the fact that the US is, economically and militarily, the foremost world power.

Trump could go out and call May a **** tomorrow, and you know what? The next time some atrocity occurred and the US went to war over it, the UK would be right there alongside us. You wanna know why? Because the good will of the strongest nation on the planet is more important to them than a tiff between two world leaders. Just like they didn't spurn us after Obama sent back the Churchill bust, they're not gonna spurn us over Theresa's hurt feelings.

Trump could start running ads on television recommending that all European leaders cut their ties with the EU, and the EU would make a loud fuss, but ultimately bend over and take it. The alternative would be to implement some sort of trade-based punishment against the US, which would damage them more than it would damage us and, as precarious as the EU's ties already are, would all but guarantee their dissolution.

With Canada, sure, too early to tell. As with all of these cases, and in keeping with my general point here, the RESULTS will tell us whether or not this was a blunder. Not your fear of what could happen, but what actually happens.

With China, I'm not naïve enough to think that there's no ulterior motive to their treatment of Trump, but considering how badly they snubbed Obama during his visit compared to the red carpet treatment they gave Trump, I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that the Taiwan call hasn't led to any significant or even measurable hostilities between our two countries.

So here's the thing. . . I'm not ignoring anything. I'm simply not buying into the narrative that these incidents are significant and negative until I see some evidence that they have had significant, negative results, especially when it seems to me that these supposed consequences are actually highly unlikely. It's not that I don't understand what's being pointed out to me, it's that I disagree with the hysterical fear of catastrophic repercussions as well as the rather cowardly and self-destructive stance that we should always go out of our way to avoid displeasing the rest of the world.

As far as that last little bit, I'm not the ad hominem, 2 word answer poster. Don't come at me with that shit.

There's a massive difference between endless agreeing and what Trump's doing, which is just making himself look like an idiot.

You see strength through being an idiot. I don't. China isn't scared of what the US will do. Why? Because they know the US doesn't have the balls to go to war with China.

They know they have the weaponry to make war close to China impossible for the US. They don't need aircraft carriers, it's home turf, they have long range missiles to take out AWACS and ships that get anywhere near the US.

So what can the US do? Hurt China economically? Sure they can, however the US will suffer a lot too, and they know that the US public CAN protest and the Chinese public can't. So.....

The problem is you think that the UK will always be there. With the Iraq War in 2003 who was there for the US? Traditional allies? It was the UK and Spain and Spain hardly gave anything and after their next election Spain was gone too.

The UK isn't always going to be there, and it's going to be there far less when the leader of the US is a dickhead going around insulting people.

Trump's visit to the UK? Off, why? Because he's acted like a dickhead and the right wing doesn't even want him there.

Again, you have this view of the world that just doesn't make sense. I bet you thought the Iraqis would welcome the US as liberators. All the US troops were like "what the fuck? Why aren't we heroes?"

American attitude.

 

[RealDave]

He didn't lie at all, I challenge any economist or analyst with any degree of credibility to make the argument that the specific service export imbalance which the U.S apparently "enjoys" with Canada is such a valuable asset to the U.S economy. By the way, to those of us following this closely, the first rendition of Canada having a "deficit" was when Canada intentionally omitted oil exports, then they included them and decided that "service exports" are included, to once again, skew the results.

I assure you the sources of this export isn't on the level, it's the usual voodoo and misrepresentation. American company in Canada sends their employees over to the U.S for a week of training, Canadian Snowbirds buy a home in Florida. These are apparently examples of "exports" in which America has a surplus. How is that some consumable benefit to the U.S economy? How does it avoid U.S debt issues when meeting their social obligations?

It's comparable to the suggestion by some that NAFTA "is responsible directly or indirectly with employing x number of people". Ask for the details on how they quantify that, it's bloody embarrassing.

The exploitation by Canada and others will continue, as long as you have brain dead MBA grads running around. They have less diversity of thought than the MSM have. When I finally do hear a creative and honest economist they always appear light years ahead of the Usual Suspects. Why? They actually dug through the details themselves and know the facts, they don't just parrot what some government patsy told them.

First, Trump admitted he did not know. (why didn't he know? he was meeting on trade? Does that fat assed idiot not prepare?)

And there isn't a significant trade imbalance on products & when you consider the entire picture, products & services, we have a trade surplus.

'But hry, be a nice little Tru mp-bot & skjew the defnotions to protect the stupoidity flowing from yiour irange master.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Yes, you can complain that Trump didn't have all the facts on hand, he was lazy and probably relied on details he had heard from the year before. Such as if I said, "black unemployment is at an all time low, or there are 11 million illegal immigrants in the U.S" I don't know those fact for certain and can't confirm the details, but it has been known and repeated many times.

The important detail to know is that the U.S does NOT have a trade surplus with the U.S. I repeat, does NOT. This game is being played by the MSM as they want NAFTA to remain in place as it is, as Canada is the system the global socialists need to be in place to fully exploit and export to America, their socialism.

First Canads themselves provided numbers that said "the U.S doesn't have a deficit with us", they didn't include oil however, and I believe even Lighthizer himself said that "Canada cannot be blamed for the oil export surplus". He suggested it was an outlier. Then it turns out, both oil AND lumber were omitted. It makes no sense to omit any good, but they did.

Then when it was included again, the narrative from Canada was, well we have a "slight surplus". Perfect timing by the way, as if you look at our history, we have had massive surpluses against the U.S, some years as high as $71B if I'm not mistaken. Canada though, being the sneaky backstabbing, centralized socialists they are, made sure to import more, export less to make the argument needed to deter Trump from NAFTA renegotiations. Something Canada opnely didn't want at first, than when they realized Mexico was willing to come to the table, Canada pretended that "oh yeah we have some issues too, let's meet". They then went to the comical "services export stat", details you won't hear any honest economist explain as they know it's a joke. This is simply "say some broad things, the general public doesn't care or isn't informed enough anyways to debate it"

Canada put forward issues about gender quotas for jobs, A very progressive list of issues that no real capitalist system would accept, it was designed to drag it out and present someone so far out of left field, that we would hope to force the U.S to avoid major movement of core areas in which we exploit you. This is about dragging our feet and NOT changing NAFTA.

We now have a NAFTA free trade Economic Adviser in the U.S, let's see how this goes. As Ive said from the start, Canada has no intention of having NAFTA changed, this narrative is just going to be something the MSM willrely on to point out another reason why NAFTA shouldn't be changed. Will he be honest and work for American interests, or just repeat the same old stuff I and many know is hurting America greatly?

You have some real enemies in America and if you don't stay on top of it, your economy is in deep trouble.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

For some reason Fox arent covering this one.

The report must be filed next to "President pays off Porn Star" in the file marked "nothing of interest here".

 

[shockedcanadian]

For some reason Fox arent covering this one.

The report must be filed next to "President pays off Porn Star" in the file marked "nothing of interest here".

Fox should address is, by outright debunking the argument made by any serious economist who thinks that Service Export between Canada and the U.S specially, is an "asset" to the U.S. Think of the U.S corporation who moves their HQ to Toronto (as Burger King did), they need technical support, and they need the expertise from the U.S. They pay for that across border, Yay! An export to Canada! Are you kidding me!?

I've made my case on here many times, and have yet to hear an argument to counter it. I am telling you, U.S is being fleeced, stop being a patsy for this exploitation.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

For some reason Fox arent covering this one.

The report must be filed next to "President pays off Porn Star" in the file marked "nothing of interest here".

Fox should address is, by outright debunking the argument made by any serious economist who thinks that Service Export between Canada and the U.S specially, is an "asset" to the U.S.

I've made my case on here many times, and have yet to hear an argument to counter it. I am telling you, U.S is being fleeced, stop being a patsy for this exploitation.

That may,or may not, be the case but it is not relevant to this thread. This is about a bullshitting president lying to his closest ally. He continues to lower the bar.

 

[shockedcanadian]

For some reason Fox arent covering this one.

The report must be filed next to "President pays off Porn Star" in the file marked "nothing of interest here".

Fox should address is, by outright debunking the argument made by any serious economist who thinks that Service Export between Canada and the U.S specially, is an "asset" to the U.S.

I've made my case on here many times, and have yet to hear an argument to counter it. I am telling you, U.S is being fleeced, stop being a patsy for this exploitation.

That may,or may not, be the case but it is not relevant to this thread. This is about a bullshitting president lying to his closest ally. He continues to lower the bar.

Well, I don't think he was lying per se, I think he didn't have all the details in front of him and was caught off guard by Trudeaus stance. The fact is, neither of them are economists, this is why between Canada and the U.S specifically, since we steal so many of your jobs; Service Exports isn't used, it's always just Goods.

Imagine I said that Canada has a population of 35M, it had that last I checked, but you say, "what are you talking about you have a population of 40M". I know what I know so I repeat it, half unsure as maybe it DID increase to 40M in the last year or whatever. I think this is what he did, and he joked about it. Notice he finished with confirmation from his team about the facts and they agreed with him.

There is no need for the U.S to lie, they just need to focus on the sources of these service exports and also more importantly, raise the issue of how many jobs U.S corporations have created in Canada vs what Canadian companies have created in America. That alone would make NAFTA look horrible.

 

[Aba Incieni]

Everybody lies to Trudeau. He's a clown to be mocked.

 

[Meathead]

He didn't lie at all, I challenge any economist or analyst with any degree of credibility to make the argument that the specific service export imbalance which the U.S apparently "enjoys" with Canada is such a valuable asset to the U.S economy. By the way, to those of us following this closely, the first rendition of Canada having a "deficit" was when Canada intentionally omitted oil exports, then they included them and decided that "service exports" are included, to once again, skew the results.

I assure you the sources of this export isn't on the level, it's the usual voodoo and misrepresentation. American company in Canada sends their employees over to the U.S for a week of training, Canadian Snowbirds buy a home in Florida. These are apparently examples of "exports" in which America has a surplus. How is that some consumable benefit to the U.S economy? How does it avoid U.S debt issues when meeting their social obligations?

It's comparable to the suggestion by some that NAFTA "is responsible directly or indirectly with employing x number of people". Ask for the details on how they quantify that, it's bloody embarrassing.

The exploitation by Canada and others will continue, as long as you have brain dead MBA grads running around. They have less diversity of thought than the MSM have. When I finally do hear a creative and honest economist they always appear light years ahead of the Usual Suspects. Why? They actually dug through the details themselves and know the facts, they don't just parrot what some government patsy told them.

He probably got him mixed up with the Indian PM:

 

[shockedcanadian]

Everybody lies to Trudeau. He's a clown to be mocked.

I don't lie to him. I just wish he would order the RCMP and their pals to make the right decision, he knows they are destroying our reputation with America and others.

That's the problem with Centralized systems, they are very difficult to change. The best PM we had who did so was Mulroney, that was too long ago and he didn't complete the job.

 

[Aba Incieni]

Everybody lies to Trudeau. He's a clown to be mocked.

I don't lie to him. I just wish he would order the RCMP and their pals to make the right decision, he knows they are destroying our reputation with America and others.

That's the problem with Centralized systems, they are very difficult to change. The best PM we had who did so was Mulroney, that was too long ago and he didn't complete the job.

It's just today's outrage. Trump is getting ready to change NAFTA and the tears are welling.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Everybody lies to Trudeau. He's a clown to be mocked.

I don't lie to him. I just wish he would order the RCMP and their pals to make the right decision, he knows they are destroying our reputation with America and others.

That's the problem with Centralized systems, they are very difficult to change. The best PM we had who did so was Mulroney, that was too long ago and he didn't complete the job.

It's just today's outrage. Trump is getting ready to change NAFTA and the tears are welling.

Is there anything that he could do that would give you pause for thought ?

 

[Aba Incieni]

Everybody lies to Trudeau. He's a clown to be mocked.

I don't lie to him. I just wish he would order the RCMP and their pals to make the right decision, he knows they are destroying our reputation with America and others.

That's the problem with Centralized systems, they are very difficult to change. The best PM we had who did so was Mulroney, that was too long ago and he didn't complete the job.

It's just today's outrage. Trump is getting ready to change NAFTA and the tears are welling.

Is there anything that he could do that would give you pause for thought ?

A lot of things.

What has he done that you agree with?

 

[deanrd]

In fundraising speech, Trump says he made up trade claim in meeting with Justin Trudeau

Thank you America.

Of course he does. That's who he is. That's who Republicans are. If you could convict someone on lies, Hillary really would be in prison.

Trump caught lying again? So what? Everyone knows Republicans lie all that time.

 

[whitehall]

USA, USA, USA