Trump uses the DOJ as Auto Makers don't lower their mpg standards

[Brain357]

I have news, when you get more mpg, you save money.

The government should force me to buy a more expensive car so I can save money on gas?

Do you hear how stupid that sounds?

The government wants to make car companies make cars with worse mpg. How dumb does that sound? The feds should stay out of it.

Probably because it will lower the price of cars, that's why.

Green is garbage. If it were reasonable, it wouldn't need government subsides and regulations to sell the product. The market would take care of that on it's own.

Go green until you turn blue in the face, but don't force me to pay for it.

Probably? The car companies are choosing to do it. The government is going to force them to make cars with worse mpg? You love big government...

Read the OP. They are doing it now because they were forced by the Obama government to do it, and now they have a lot of money tied up in it.

And they have chosen to keep doing it. You think the government now forcing them not to do it is good? Both sides are big government just pushing from different sides.

 

[Brain357]

It is funny how trump has made all these "conservatives" love big government.

You fools on the left were upset about cuts in military spending yesterday, that's how unhinged the left is these days.

I'm an independent. Are you talking about more trump spending?

 

[Brain357]

Huge waste of money.

Lol
And studying cow farts isn’t???

Political correctness has made you fucking retarded

I didn't say that. How many lawyers we paying to make cars less efficient? Brilliant...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The government should force me to buy a more expensive car so I can save money on gas?

Do you hear how stupid that sounds?

The government wants to make car companies make cars with worse mpg. How dumb does that sound? The feds should stay out of it.

Probably because it will lower the price of cars, that's why.

Green is garbage. If it were reasonable, it wouldn't need government subsides and regulations to sell the product. The market would take care of that on it's own.

Go green until you turn blue in the face, but don't force me to pay for it.

Probably? The car companies are choosing to do it. The government is going to force them to make cars with worse mpg? You love big government...

Read the OP. They are doing it now because they were forced by the Obama government to do it, and now they have a lot of money tied up in it.

And they have chosen to keep doing it. You think the government now forcing them not to do it is good? Both sides are big government just pushing from different sides.

They are not forcing them to not do it, just removing the waiver they got to do it.

The problem here is that when we have different states requiring different standards instead of a national standard like Trump wants to have, it will cost all of us money. The manufacturers have to engineer different cars and trucks for different states. It's kind of like we did with different blends of gasoline for different states. Now we have trucks riding all over the country to deliver special blends that are more costly.

And no, not everybody is on board being against Trump's idea as the OP article says. As Paul Harvey used to say, now for the rest of the story.

Conservative Leaders, Chamber Clash on Trump’s Revised Fuel Standards

 

[Flopper]

Four automakers bucked Trump policy on emissions. Now they are under antitrust investigation - CNN


Trump will send the DOJ to investigate auto makers who made agreements with California and won't lower their MPGs like the crybaby-in-chief ordered.

Will Trump EVER move beyond an 8th grade mentality?

All the major car companies have large internationals markets. Of the major companies only Ford sells most of their cars in the US. GM sells only about 38% in the US. The US is the largest market for Honda and Toyota yet most of their cars go elsewhere. These companies build cars to sell to the world where gas mileage and emissions are important and now have to meet tougher standards around the world. It makes no sense to build a different car for each country depending on their current standards.

 

[Markle]

I remember many years ago when my closest friend hit the lottery. He bought a vet. He was so thrilled over it that he demanded I get behind the wheel. I thought he was going to have to call an ambulance to wedge me out of the thing.

I know the feeling! In my misspent youth, my Ol' Man (mechanic) came across a 54 XK-120 Jaguar I bought for $600.00. I'm 6'3". I could best drive it with the top down. Power nothing, a huge steering wheel to turn the car. I could wrap myself around the steering wheel (adjustable) and comfortably drive. I did think I was SO COOL!

I drove from college classes on the north side of Miami to the Cutler Ridge Bowling alley. About a 45 minute drive. Three girls were standing out front talking, I was 19. I swung into a parking place right in front of them, my JAG rumbling. I opened my door, went to step out and fell flat on the pavement. My left leg was nearly asleep!

Loved that car but...driving it hard it got about 8-10 mpg.

What happened to the girls ? Get Lucky?

HA!

They laughed! Actually I did too as I laid on the pavement.

 

[Brain357]

The government wants to make car companies make cars with worse mpg. How dumb does that sound? The feds should stay out of it.

Probably because it will lower the price of cars, that's why.

Green is garbage. If it were reasonable, it wouldn't need government subsides and regulations to sell the product. The market would take care of that on it's own.

Go green until you turn blue in the face, but don't force me to pay for it.

Probably? The car companies are choosing to do it. The government is going to force them to make cars with worse mpg? You love big government...

Read the OP. They are doing it now because they were forced by the Obama government to do it, and now they have a lot of money tied up in it.

And they have chosen to keep doing it. You think the government now forcing them not to do it is good? Both sides are big government just pushing from different sides.

They are not forcing them to not do it, just removing the waiver they got to do it.

The problem here is that when we have different states requiring different standards instead of a national standard like Trump wants to have, it will cost all of us money. The manufacturers have to engineer different cars and trucks for different states. It's kind of like we did with different blends of gasoline for different states. Now we have trucks riding all over the country to deliver special blends that are more costly.

And no, not everybody is on board being against Trump's idea as the OP article says. As Paul Harvey used to say, now for the rest of the story.

Conservative Leaders, Chamber Clash on Trump’s Revised Fuel Standards

I believe they have recently said they are fine with CA. Nothing needs to be done. This is just big govnerment waste now.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Huge waste of money.

I agree, CAFE standards waste money and make our cars more dangerous. End them completely.

I have news, when you get more mpg, you save money.

The government should force me to buy a more expensive car so I can save money on gas?

Do you hear how stupid that sounds?

Raising CAFE standards does not eliminate the sales of a huge, jacked up 4x4 pick up with your rebel flag across the back window as you cruise the circuit trying to play Roy Moore.

Heavy-duty pickups are not and never were subject to CAFE standards of any sort.

 

[Rustic]

Huge waste of money.

Lol
And studying cow farts isn’t???

Political correctness has made you fucking retarded

I didn't say that. How many lawyers we paying to make cars less efficient? Brilliant...

There is no need to force everyone into that shit

 

[Jarlaxle]

I have news, when you get more mpg, you save money.

The government should force me to buy a more expensive car so I can save money on gas?

Do you hear how stupid that sounds?

Raising CAFE standards does not eliminate the sales of a huge, jacked up 4x4 pick up with your rebel flag across the back window as you cruise the circuit trying to play Roy Moore.

No, but it increases the cost of the product greatly for all others.

my Prius was not expensive.

Neither was mine.

It sure was a lot less than any truck or suv.

Bullshit.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Automakers aren’t stupid. Why would you call them stupid? Pretty innovative IMO.

Automakers built me a giant 4x4 truck with giant a 6.7L DIESEL engine and a whopping 48 gallon fuel tank. Good job automakers!

Another trumpette who hates their own children just to be an ignorant smartass.

I love it when I pull up the gas pump & see you at the diesel pump. I get a 400 mile range for $25.00 while you fork out $80 for the same. I laugh at you assfucks every day. Look, I understand you need to make p for your tiny limp dicks but really.

I can't agree more.

I fill my tank for around 27 dollars. It's a 10 gallon tank. I usually put around 8 gallons in it when I fill it.

That's after I've driven over 400 miles on that around 8 gallons.

I have to laugh at such people who are proud of the fact that they waste fuel and money with their penis extender vehicles.

I just wish they would get out of the far left lane on the freeway and stop holding up traffic. They have they engine to move. Instead they passively aggressively sit in that lane going slow forcing everyone else in that lane to go slow.

What vehicle do you own?

I own a Prius.

I put Chevron gas in it so I get a higher mileage than those who put cheap gas in their cars. The cheap gas clogs my fuel injectors. I stopped buying cheap gas in the early 90s when the fuel injectors of my Subaru were clogged. The mechanic who fixed it recommended Chevron gas to never have that problem again. I've not had that problem since.

In the summer I get between 56 and 60 mpg. In the winter I get between 50 and 55 mpg.

I made the decision in 2001 to never buy another regular gas car again. And I haven't. This Prius is the 3rd one. I've had a Honda Civic hybrid too but wasn't impressed. I like the Prius much better.

Wow...your Prius gets about the same mileage my father in law's elderly VW Jetta managed...except his had 380,000 miles. He had to replace it a couple years ago...the replacement gets about 45MPG. It also cost about half as much as a Prius.

 

[Jarlaxle]

I'm stunned a Prius could move her lard ass.

All they had to do was throw a Snickers bar in the bushes and she would have gone after it.

I live in truck country so we have Prius owners outnumbered 10 to 1. Now we do have our douchebag truck owners. And don't even get me started on BMW drivers.

Agreed. Me too.

Prius drivers really get pissed off at these...

This is my toy since 1969, '66 GOAT.

I'm sorry, you have my sympathies.

 

[Frannie]

Automakers built me a giant 4x4 truck with giant a 6.7L DIESEL engine and a whopping 48 gallon fuel tank. Good job automakers!

Another trumpette who hates their own children just to be an ignorant smartass.

I love it when I pull up the gas pump & see you at the diesel pump. I get a 400 mile range for $25.00 while you fork out $80 for the same. I laugh at you assfucks every day. Look, I understand you need to make p for your tiny limp dicks but really.

I can't agree more.

I fill my tank for around 27 dollars. It's a 10 gallon tank. I usually put around 8 gallons in it when I fill it.

That's after I've driven over 400 miles on that around 8 gallons.

I have to laugh at such people who are proud of the fact that they waste fuel and money with their penis extender vehicles.

I just wish they would get out of the far left lane on the freeway and stop holding up traffic. They have they engine to move. Instead they passively aggressively sit in that lane going slow forcing everyone else in that lane to go slow.

What vehicle do you own?

I own a Prius.

I put Chevron gas in it so I get a higher mileage than those who put cheap gas in their cars. The cheap gas clogs my fuel injectors. I stopped buying cheap gas in the early 90s when the fuel injectors of my Subaru were clogged. The mechanic who fixed it recommended Chevron gas to never have that problem again. I've not had that problem since.

In the summer I get between 56 and 60 mpg. In the winter I get between 50 and 55 mpg.

I made the decision in 2001 to never buy another regular gas car again. And I haven't. This Prius is the 3rd one. I've had a Honda Civic hybrid too but wasn't impressed. I like the Prius much better.

Wow...your Prius gets about the same mileage my father in law's elderly VW Jetta managed...except his had 380,000 miles. He had to replace it a couple years ago...the replacement gets about 45MPG. It also cost about half as much as a Prius.

You are correct, the extra cost of a Prius or Tesla will never be recouped in fuel savings, and no Tesla is old enough to have needed new batteries as of yet...……………..But prius owners are saving the Earth in their little minds

 

[Jarlaxle]

This...

Or....

This?

Neither, they both suck.

Give me this:

 

[Jarlaxle]

A few years back I was south west of rapid city on Highway 44, it was snowing but most of was melting down in Rapid City but on the way out of town up in the hills it was sticking. There was probably about 2-3 inches of wet slushy snow on the ground. There was a lady in a Prius stuck broadside in the road it is probably a 10% grade on Highway 44 out of rapid. The car was absolutely helpless, I pulled her the rest the way up the hill with my grand Cherokee. I’m pretty sure she ditched the car shortly after and got something that was actually functional. lol

I know cool story… But it is a true story

She'd have been fine with a set of good snow tires.

 

[Jarlaxle]

A few years back I was south west of rapid city on Highway 44, it was snowing but most of was melting down in Rapid City but on the way out of town up in the hills it was sticking. There was probably about 2-3 inches of wet slushy snow on the ground. There was a lady in a Prius stuck broadside in the road it is probably a 10% grade on Highway 44 out of rapid. The car was absolutely helpless, I pulled her the rest the way up the hill with my grand Cherokee. I’m pretty sure she ditched the car shortly after and got something that was actually functional. lol

I know cool story… But it is a true story

At least up north, we don't have many that drive those cars for that reason. It was worse when vehicles were rear wheel drive.

By the time people get out of work, there could be anywhere from six inches upwards of snow on the roads. A 500 lbs vehicle just won't cut it up here.

I have experienced no trouble with winter in RWD vehicles.

Imagine if people knew how to drive...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

A few years back I was south west of rapid city on Highway 44, it was snowing but most of was melting down in Rapid City but on the way out of town up in the hills it was sticking. There was probably about 2-3 inches of wet slushy snow on the ground. There was a lady in a Prius stuck broadside in the road it is probably a 10% grade on Highway 44 out of rapid. The car was absolutely helpless, I pulled her the rest the way up the hill with my grand Cherokee. I’m pretty sure she ditched the car shortly after and got something that was actually functional. lol

I know cool story… But it is a true story

At least up north, we don't have many that drive those cars for that reason. It was worse when vehicles were rear wheel drive.

By the time people get out of work, there could be anywhere from six inches upwards of snow on the roads. A 500 lbs vehicle just won't cut it up here.

I have experienced no trouble with winter in RWD vehicles.

Imagine if people knew how to drive...

But front wheel is far superior when it comes to winter driving. The weight of the vehicle is on the front of the vehicle because that's where the engine is. Also tires play a huge part. Good tires are the best investment anybody up north can make.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Another trumpette who hates their own children just to be an ignorant smartass.

I love it when I pull up the gas pump & see you at the diesel pump. I get a 400 mile range for $25.00 while you fork out $80 for the same. I laugh at you assfucks every day. Look, I understand you need to make p for your tiny limp dicks but really.

I can't agree more.

I fill my tank for around 27 dollars. It's a 10 gallon tank. I usually put around 8 gallons in it when I fill it.

That's after I've driven over 400 miles on that around 8 gallons.

I have to laugh at such people who are proud of the fact that they waste fuel and money with their penis extender vehicles.

I just wish they would get out of the far left lane on the freeway and stop holding up traffic. They have they engine to move. Instead they passively aggressively sit in that lane going slow forcing everyone else in that lane to go slow.

What vehicle do you own?

I own a Prius.

I put Chevron gas in it so I get a higher mileage than those who put cheap gas in their cars. The cheap gas clogs my fuel injectors. I stopped buying cheap gas in the early 90s when the fuel injectors of my Subaru were clogged. The mechanic who fixed it recommended Chevron gas to never have that problem again. I've not had that problem since.

In the summer I get between 56 and 60 mpg. In the winter I get between 50 and 55 mpg.

I made the decision in 2001 to never buy another regular gas car again. And I haven't. This Prius is the 3rd one. I've had a Honda Civic hybrid too but wasn't impressed. I like the Prius much better.

Wow...your Prius gets about the same mileage my father in law's elderly VW Jetta managed...except his had 380,000 miles. He had to replace it a couple years ago...the replacement gets about 45MPG. It also cost about half as much as a Prius.

You are correct, the extra cost of a Prius or Tesla will never be recouped in fuel savings, and no Tesla is old enough to have needed new batteries as of yet...……………..But prius owners are saving the Earth in their little minds

Little do they know of the environmental damage that takes place to get the materials for the batteries, and to dispose of the old ones.

I never drove a battery powered vehicle, but if it's like any other battery powered device (cell phones, tablets, portable radios, lawn equipment) they last for a good while when new, but quickly lose power as time goes on.

 

[BluesLegend]

Another trumpette who hates their own children just to be an ignorant smartass.

I love it when I pull up the gas pump & see you at the diesel pump. I get a 400 mile range for $25.00 while you fork out $80 for the same. I laugh at you assfucks every day. Look, I understand you need to make p for your tiny limp dicks but really.

I can't agree more.

I fill my tank for around 27 dollars. It's a 10 gallon tank. I usually put around 8 gallons in it when I fill it.

That's after I've driven over 400 miles on that around 8 gallons.

I have to laugh at such people who are proud of the fact that they waste fuel and money with their penis extender vehicles.

I just wish they would get out of the far left lane on the freeway and stop holding up traffic. They have they engine to move. Instead they passively aggressively sit in that lane going slow forcing everyone else in that lane to go slow.

What vehicle do you own?

I own a Prius.

I put Chevron gas in it so I get a higher mileage than those who put cheap gas in their cars. The cheap gas clogs my fuel injectors. I stopped buying cheap gas in the early 90s when the fuel injectors of my Subaru were clogged. The mechanic who fixed it recommended Chevron gas to never have that problem again. I've not had that problem since.



In the summer I get between 56 and 60 mpg. In the winter I get between 50 and 55 mpg.

I made the decision in 2001 to never buy another regular gas car again. And I haven't. This Prius is the 3rd one. I've had a Honda Civic hybrid too but wasn't impressed. I like the Prius much better.

Cool story....

People can drive whatever they want, most of us don’t give two shits. But no one should ever tell anyone else what to drive. I found Prius drivers are assholes like that woman I just posted....

Well that's one of the many ways conservatives and liberals differ. If I think Big Mac's are bad for you, I just won't eat them. If a liberal thinks Big Mac's are bad for you, they want to stop everybody from eating them.

Liberals think THEY know best and should dictate our decisions.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Probably because it will lower the price of cars, that's why.

Green is garbage. If it were reasonable, it wouldn't need government subsides and regulations to sell the product. The market would take care of that on it's own.

Go green until you turn blue in the face, but don't force me to pay for it.

Probably? The car companies are choosing to do it. The government is going to force them to make cars with worse mpg? You love big government...

Read the OP. They are doing it now because they were forced by the Obama government to do it, and now they have a lot of money tied up in it.

And they have chosen to keep doing it. You think the government now forcing them not to do it is good? Both sides are big government just pushing from different sides.

They are not forcing them to not do it, just removing the waiver they got to do it.

The problem here is that when we have different states requiring different standards instead of a national standard like Trump wants to have, it will cost all of us money. The manufacturers have to engineer different cars and trucks for different states. It's kind of like we did with different blends of gasoline for different states. Now we have trucks riding all over the country to deliver special blends that are more costly.

And no, not everybody is on board being against Trump's idea as the OP article says. As Paul Harvey used to say, now for the rest of the story.

Conservative Leaders, Chamber Clash on Trump’s Revised Fuel Standards

I believe they have recently said they are fine with CA. Nothing needs to be done. This is just big govnerment waste now.

I haven't seen anything on it yet, but the article I posted said Trump would likely lose that battle in court anyhow.