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I'm not making assumptions. Maybe you can show us something different. Here is the MSM telling us where some of the money is already being taken from:
https://www.usnews.com/news/nationa...ps-civil-asset-forfeiture-to-fund-border-wall
Connect the dots. Trump nominates William Barr to be his Attorney General. Barr's views on asset forfeiture?
"I'm disturbed that he's been a big fan of taking people's property, civil asset forfeiture, without a conviction. Many poor people in our country have cash taken from them and then the government says, prove to us where you got the cash, and then you can get it back. But the burden is on the individual," (a quote from Rand Paul about Barr)
Rand Paul: Barr Nomination 'Very Troubling' as Far as Patriot Act, Civil Asset Forfeiture
My guess is, the money that Trump has access to via asset forfeiture, will greatly increase with Barr as his A.G. The people who own guns that will become criminals over-night will astonish you six months down the road when you see how much more the feds are raking in under Barr.
Well, thanks for at least admitting that your guess about the future is a guess.
Like I said, I am not happy about the abuses of Asset Seizure.
But we need the Wall.
You want to attack Asset Seizure? i'm with you. But not at this time, not as an excuse to not secure the border.
The bottom line of all bottom lines is that the border will not work in our constitutional Republic. It has been demonstrated that the peripheral laws will only expand, taking away your Liberty and making America a third world cesspool.
You are connecting two distinct issues and assuming cause and effect.
1. There is nothing about our Constitutional Republic that is contrary to having a Wall on the border to help maintain security.
2. The assumption that "peripheral laws" will expand, somehow because of this, a. unsupported, and b. still not a good enough reason.
I assume NOTHING. I've worked all sides of this issue since 1977. You?
When the wall is unnecessary, it is overreach by the president to ignore state governors, both Houses of Congress, the overwhelming majority of National Security Advisers, and the American people. You having a hard on for a dictator is no justification for something that is wholly unnecessary.
When peripheral laws connected to the wall nullify the Bill of Rights, it is the BEST reason to avoid it.
Well over 20 million illegals living in this country, show that the Wall, and many other steps are completely needed.
I admitted there is a fringe who might be against denying access to people entering the country illegally. But even that is not what you’re claiming. What you’re claiming, as moronic as it is ... is that anyone against building the wall is for open borders. In your vain attempts to castigate your political opponents by falsely framing their position, you have to actually completely ignore their desires to secure the border using other methods; which means they’re not at all for open borders, as you falsely claim— they simply do not agree with you on what methods are least effective.Wasn't talking to you, but since you've shockingly decided to address my actual argument, I will be happy to start from here.
1. Thank you for admitting that every nation has the right to determine who enters and becomes part of their community.
2. Thank you for admitting that some people argue that America does not have the same right. Let's call them the anti-American radicals for the purpose of this discussion. That seems fair, considering that they do want the US to not have a right that every other nation has.
3. Those of you who oppose the Wall, and other efforts to secure the border, but claim not to be part of the anti-American radicals,
and this is the crux of the matter....
please tell my in what ways does your position on the matter, differ from those anti-American radicals?
And you’re still wrong saying we’d have fewer rights than every other nation on Earth if you don’t count securing our borders.
The "other means" boils down to the same shit we've been doing that has failed massively for generations.
Arguing for the status quo is being for an open border.
For all the bitching you do at me when I know what politician is going to vote which way, you think you have a monopoly on understanding.
Look dude, for real, you are being two faced and hypocritical. You are saying that if we don't agree with you, we're for ... an "open border." OTOH, I think you are playing semantics. An open border and a secure border are two different concepts.
Your case for a wall is a classic fail in a country that is wholly and totally committed to the amalgamation of people.
Mmm, interesting.
Tell me what you mean by "committed to the amalgamation of people".
The new mantra of the masses starts out "I don't care what color you are, what religion you are", etc. So, those who want to sugarcoat our woes will phrase it as multiculturalism while a racist might call it race mixing (even though most racists are opposed to the myriad of political ideologies and religions that foreigners bring with them when they come here.)
You want me to believe that an American is just some dumb ass that submits themselves to the same tyrannical and unconstitutional laws that you submitted to and agrees to be a slave of the state. Serf, slave, subject... that's all a citizen is in your world.
Democrats are for the nutty wall idea (it was theirs to begin with) and you say that is NOT a reason for scuttling support for it. Okay, I can live with that.
But, WHY did the Dems, who pretend to be the humanitarians, have suggested the wall in the first place?
Democrats are about control and dependence on government. Democrats are for gun control because it's control, NOT because it will save lives, but because it is about control. I tend to believe that the Dems floated the wall idea as a way to see if Republicans would come to the table and negotiate. Republicans wanted the cheap labor; Democrats wanted the easy votes. What better way than to propose a physical barrier that would lead to a "legalization process" that would allow foreigners to be here without court battles and legislative battles over whether or nor foreigners could be here?
If you want to recoup $175,000 after a car wreck for your car, lost wages, physical damage to your person, punitive damages, etc. and have attorney fees, your attorney will ask for much much more. Politicians are no different. With the threat of a wall looming over everyone's heads, they have to negotiate something between the parties.
Regardless of what everyone thinks, the wall idea will ultimately be defeated - even if it goes up. We will NOT be deporting Dreamers - and mostly because each year this drags on, Dreamers get pregnant and / or get married and have children. THOSE children will be deemed to be American citizens even in a stacked United States Supreme Court. AND the courts will not separate families over the immigration status of their parents because improper entry is, at best a civil misdemeanor. So, even if deport the parents of Dreamers, they will be back - and the liberals want to make voters of them.
You need a permanent solution. You don't need a wall and a jackass playing God, trying to circumvent the separation of powers. There is NO CASE that can be made for a wall based upon a perceived national emergency. IF the courts or Congress takes the matter up, maybe they will answer that question rather than whether the president can rule via Executive fiat.
1. Perhaps in the 80s, the dems thought that a Wall would drive a legalization process. But I see no reason to believe that is the case now. INdeed, as you say with the passage of time and the illegals having children, that's a moot point at this late date.
2. The Dreamers are a relatively small number. We can deport the illegals.
3. The court battle is an unlikely victory. But one we have to try at some point. Surrender is just a faster way to lose.
4. Trump is not the jackass on this issue. The Mexican government is. THe Democrats are. The cheap labor Republicans are. SECURING THE BORDER, AND ENFORCING THE LAW, is the primary job of a government. And they have refused to do that. Trump is just about the only one NOT being a jackass on this issue.
There are 2 MILLION Dreamers. Each of them has parents. NO COURT IN AMERICA is going to allow you to separate those people from their parents and since both sides have no desire to remove Dreamers; they are citizens albeit de facto.
Figure it out, those 2 MILLION Dreamers + 4 MILLION parents = 6 MILLION people. That is one Hell of a voting bloc in anybody's playbook. That is just one class of people.
You live in a fantasy world, unable to fathom the rapidly changing demographics. You are in denial of history and unable to understand America is not some shithole where people, like the Israelis, depend upon our Freedom and Liberty which generates money to help support their small wall. Without us, the Israelis would be history. You are attacking the free enterprise system and have NO plan to avert the kind of disaster we created the last time America deported the Hispanics.
1. I completely understand the changing demographics.
2. YOu are correct that I have no plan to deal with the impact of deporting the illegals. Any disruption would be worth it.
3. My point stands. Trump is not the jackass on this issue. Those that oppose him are.
4. Capitalism is not based on cheap, illegal labor. SOME businesses might be. Some might have to adjust their pricing.
1) Obviously you do NOT understand the changing demographics. Otherwise you would avoid pushing legislation that will lead to a confrontation. You remind me of the Ku Klux Klan waging their wars in the 1960s. They could not win regardless of how "right" they thought they were
2) Since you have no plan, let me tell you how this goes:
A) Dreamers will ultimately become citizens
B) Their parents will win in the courts because we've already seen how violently and soundly the public reacts when you attempt to separate families. So, that alone gives you another 6 MILLION new Hispanic voters. Dude, in the last elections, Republicans win by mere handfuls of votes. While your old white asses are aging and dying off, the non-whites are becoming citizens and breeding
3) Trump is not God. He cannot circumvent the destiny of America. Even if you could build a wall, it would be temporary AND the peripheral laws bringing about the ultimate POLICE STATE and martial law will be the end of the posterity of the founders
4) I'm not exactly a capitalist, but I do realize that a free market enterprise system made America the greatest nation in recorded history.
1. I'm arguing for the enforcement of our democratically enacted laws. The Klan in the 60s were fighting to deprive American citizens of their full rights. To compare these two is quite insane.
INdeed, that you gloat about a racial group "dying off" makes you more like the Klan than me.
2. And again, nothing like gloating about the dying off of the largest single ethnic group in the country, to really be convincing as the Voice of Reason.
3. What posterity? You're gloating about old white guys dying off. Don't pretend to care about the posterity of the Founders now.
4. I agree. And cheap labor is not required.
Well, except that it’s not since border crossings are at the lowest they’ve been in a very long time. And still trending lower. And if you build a 30 foot wall along the entire border and foreigners continue to breach it, then what? Rebuild the wall again with a 40 foot wall?I admitted there is a fringe who might be against denying access to people entering the country illegally. But even that is not what you’re claiming. What you’re claiming, as moronic as it is ... is that anyone against building the wall is for open borders. In your vain attempts to castigate your political opponents by falsely framing their position, you have to actually completely ignore their desires to secure the border using other methods; which means they’re not at all for open borders, as you falsely claim— they simply do not agree with you on what methods are least effective.
And you’re still wrong saying we’d have fewer rights than every other nation on Earth if you don’t count securing our borders.
The "other means" boils down to the same shit we've been doing that has failed massively for generations.
Arguing for the status quo is being for an open border.
"Fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man" General George Patton
Funny. Do you consider the flow of illegals to be a military invasion?
Of course not. If there were a military invasion, I'd support shooting the shit out them as they entered the United States. You'll never get it. The people coming here from other countries are participating in the free market. Everybody is benefiting and the ONLY damn thing you're doing is helping the left dismantle the foundational principles upon which the Republic rests.
If there were some Americans willing to work in my neighborhood, they could make a damn good living. The reality is, sir, they don't apply for the jobs. You know it, I know it and so does everybody else.
Most of your most talent (the posterity of the founders) is sucking on their joints, drinking booze, filling their bodies with opioids - or worse and sitting on their ass complaining. You have more people in prison than any nation on the planet; for every one drug addict in a rehab facility, you have more than TEN drug addicts in prison.
Half of the American population is getting a check from Uncle Scam and MILLIONS don't have any intention of working as long as mommy and daddy are paying their way (and blowing the real assets of our economy.)
Wake up dude. I hire foreigners to do work around my house in order to keep the son of a bitch. If they didn't do the work for what I can pay, the government would take the place. Americans that aren't hired don't have enough common sense to start their own business and become entrepreneurs. They want to be drug addicts, drunks and worthless pieces of shit. If they showed up in my neighborhood with minimal skills (which is what the Hispanic laborers have), they could get the jobs and there would not be a need for what you call "cheap labor."
The truth is, there is not a swinging dick in this town that pays their help what I'd pay them to do small jobs in their off hours - or to those who possess such skills who claim a foreigner is stealing their job. I'm not the only one. Plenty of us cannot afford to pay a surgeon's wages for small jobs that do not require a lot of special skills. These dumb fucking white people that come here with a pick up truck saying they can save me money by charging close to what the big box guys do are out of their minds.
They don't have insurance, no guarantee on their work, and there is no way to collect from them if they screw the job up. Yet they think the're worth an obscene amount of money when it simply isn't there in working class neighborhoods and with those on a fixed income. If the dumb asses would work for $20 or so an hour and build themselves up, they could go on and get the jobs with big box guys. Do you even know how America really works?
Well, thanks for at least admitting that your guess about the future is a guess.
Like I said, I am not happy about the abuses of Asset Seizure.
But we need the Wall.
You want to attack Asset Seizure? i'm with you. But not at this time, not as an excuse to not secure the border.
The bottom line of all bottom lines is that the border will not work in our constitutional Republic. It has been demonstrated that the peripheral laws will only expand, taking away your Liberty and making America a third world cesspool.
You are connecting two distinct issues and assuming cause and effect.
1. There is nothing about our Constitutional Republic that is contrary to having a Wall on the border to help maintain security.
2. The assumption that "peripheral laws" will expand, somehow because of this, a. unsupported, and b. still not a good enough reason.
I assume NOTHING. I've worked all sides of this issue since 1977. You?
When the wall is unnecessary, it is overreach by the president to ignore state governors, both Houses of Congress, the overwhelming majority of National Security Advisers, and the American people. You having a hard on for a dictator is no justification for something that is wholly unnecessary.
When peripheral laws connected to the wall nullify the Bill of Rights, it is the BEST reason to avoid it.
Well over 20 million illegals living in this country, show that the Wall, and many other steps are completely needed.
Liars like you inflating the numbers help provide bonafide reasons that most people call B.S. on your socialist solution.
Calling people illegal is a sign of weakness as well. Without the name calling, you have to look at them as people. You can't do that.
1. Perhaps in the 80s, the dems thought that a Wall would drive a legalization process. But I see no reason to believe that is the case now. INdeed, as you say with the passage of time and the illegals having children, that's a moot point at this late date.
2. The Dreamers are a relatively small number. We can deport the illegals.
3. The court battle is an unlikely victory. But one we have to try at some point. Surrender is just a faster way to lose.
4. Trump is not the jackass on this issue. The Mexican government is. THe Democrats are. The cheap labor Republicans are. SECURING THE BORDER, AND ENFORCING THE LAW, is the primary job of a government. And they have refused to do that. Trump is just about the only one NOT being a jackass on this issue.
There are 2 MILLION Dreamers. Each of them has parents. NO COURT IN AMERICA is going to allow you to separate those people from their parents and since both sides have no desire to remove Dreamers; they are citizens albeit de facto.
Figure it out, those 2 MILLION Dreamers + 4 MILLION parents = 6 MILLION people. That is one Hell of a voting bloc in anybody's playbook. That is just one class of people.
You live in a fantasy world, unable to fathom the rapidly changing demographics. You are in denial of history and unable to understand America is not some shithole where people, like the Israelis, depend upon our Freedom and Liberty which generates money to help support their small wall. Without us, the Israelis would be history. You are attacking the free enterprise system and have NO plan to avert the kind of disaster we created the last time America deported the Hispanics.
1. I completely understand the changing demographics.
2. YOu are correct that I have no plan to deal with the impact of deporting the illegals. Any disruption would be worth it.
3. My point stands. Trump is not the jackass on this issue. Those that oppose him are.
4. Capitalism is not based on cheap, illegal labor. SOME businesses might be. Some might have to adjust their pricing.
1) Obviously you do NOT understand the changing demographics. Otherwise you would avoid pushing legislation that will lead to a confrontation. You remind me of the Ku Klux Klan waging their wars in the 1960s. They could not win regardless of how "right" they thought they were
2) Since you have no plan, let me tell you how this goes:
A) Dreamers will ultimately become citizens
B) Their parents will win in the courts because we've already seen how violently and soundly the public reacts when you attempt to separate families. So, that alone gives you another 6 MILLION new Hispanic voters. Dude, in the last elections, Republicans win by mere handfuls of votes. While your old white asses are aging and dying off, the non-whites are becoming citizens and breeding
3) Trump is not God. He cannot circumvent the destiny of America. Even if you could build a wall, it would be temporary AND the peripheral laws bringing about the ultimate POLICE STATE and martial law will be the end of the posterity of the founders
4) I'm not exactly a capitalist, but I do realize that a free market enterprise system made America the greatest nation in recorded history.
1. I'm arguing for the enforcement of our democratically enacted laws. The Klan in the 60s were fighting to deprive American citizens of their full rights. To compare these two is quite insane.
INdeed, that you gloat about a racial group "dying off" makes you more like the Klan than me.
2. And again, nothing like gloating about the dying off of the largest single ethnic group in the country, to really be convincing as the Voice of Reason.
3. What posterity? You're gloating about old white guys dying off. Don't pretend to care about the posterity of the Founders now.
4. I agree. And cheap labor is not required.
You are a pathetic liar jockeying for relevance in a changing world. The United States Constitution does not give ANY branch of the government the authority to interfere in who a state may invite to stay within their borders. Besides that, NO democratically elected body can deny to any person their rights to Life and Liberty.
You think I'm gloating that dumb asses like you don't want to put your efforts into saving the Republic and I'm trying to convince you to pull your head out of your ass?
You don't make a Hell of a lot of sense. You advocate for martial law; you push for the ultimate POLICE STATE; you're all about more control, more laws, more tax money, more involvement by bureaucrats that know how to use your precedents against you and you STILL have this desire to screw the posterity of the founders over, making sure that they can NEVER be able to mount a resistance to the flustercuck you are creating. You are your own worst enemy.
I admitted there is a fringe who might be against denying access to people entering the country illegally. But even that is not what you’re claiming. What you’re claiming, as moronic as it is ... is that anyone against building the wall is for open borders. In your vain attempts to castigate your political opponents by falsely framing their position, you have to actually completely ignore their desires to secure the border using other methods; which means they’re not at all for open borders, as you falsely claim— they simply do not agree with you on what methods are least effective.
And you’re still wrong saying we’d have fewer rights than every other nation on Earth if you don’t count securing our borders.
The "other means" boils down to the same shit we've been doing that has failed massively for generations.
Arguing for the status quo is being for an open border.
For all the bitching you do at me when I know what politician is going to vote which way, you think you have a monopoly on understanding.
Look dude, for real, you are being two faced and hypocritical. You are saying that if we don't agree with you, we're for ... an "open border." OTOH, I think you are playing semantics. An open border and a secure border are two different concepts.
Your case for a wall is a classic fail in a country that is wholly and totally committed to the amalgamation of people.
Mmm, interesting.
Tell me what you mean by "committed to the amalgamation of people".
The new mantra of the masses starts out "I don't care what color you are, what religion you are", etc. So, those who want to sugarcoat our woes will phrase it as multiculturalism while a racist might call it race mixing (even though most racists are opposed to the myriad of political ideologies and religions that foreigners bring with them when they come here.)
You want me to believe that an American is just some dumb ass that submits themselves to the same tyrannical and unconstitutional laws that you submitted to and agrees to be a slave of the state. Serf, slave, subject... that's all a citizen is in your world.
There is a contradiction between your talk of "amalgamation" and gloating that whites are "dying off".
Well, except that it’s not since border crossings are at the lowest they’ve been in a very long time. And still trending lower. And if you build a 30 foot wall along the entire border and foreigners continue to breach it, then what? Rebuild the wall again with a 40 foot wall?The "other means" boils down to the same shit we've been doing that has failed massively for generations.
Arguing for the status quo is being for an open border.
"Fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man" General George Patton
Funny. Do you consider the flow of illegals to be a military invasion?
Of course not. If there were a military invasion, I'd support shooting the shit out them as they entered the United States. You'll never get it. The people coming here from other countries are participating in the free market. Everybody is benefiting and the ONLY damn thing you're doing is helping the left dismantle the foundational principles upon which the Republic rests.
If there were some Americans willing to work in my neighborhood, they could make a damn good living. The reality is, sir, they don't apply for the jobs. You know it, I know it and so does everybody else.
Most of your most talent (the posterity of the founders) is sucking on their joints, drinking booze, filling their bodies with opioids - or worse and sitting on their ass complaining. You have more people in prison than any nation on the planet; for every one drug addict in a rehab facility, you have more than TEN drug addicts in prison.
Half of the American population is getting a check from Uncle Scam and MILLIONS don't have any intention of working as long as mommy and daddy are paying their way (and blowing the real assets of our economy.)
Wake up dude. I hire foreigners to do work around my house in order to keep the son of a bitch. If they didn't do the work for what I can pay, the government would take the place. Americans that aren't hired don't have enough common sense to start their own business and become entrepreneurs. They want to be drug addicts, drunks and worthless pieces of shit. If they showed up in my neighborhood with minimal skills (which is what the Hispanic laborers have), they could get the jobs and there would not be a need for what you call "cheap labor."
The truth is, there is not a swinging dick in this town that pays their help what I'd pay them to do small jobs in their off hours - or to those who possess such skills who claim a foreigner is stealing their job. I'm not the only one. Plenty of us cannot afford to pay a surgeon's wages for small jobs that do not require a lot of special skills. These dumb fucking white people that come here with a pick up truck saying they can save me money by charging close to what the big box guys do are out of their minds.
They don't have insurance, no guarantee on their work, and there is no way to collect from them if they screw the job up. Yet they think the're worth an obscene amount of money when it simply isn't there in working class neighborhoods and with those on a fixed income. If the dumb asses would work for $20 or so an hour and build themselves up, they could go on and get the jobs with big box guys. Do you even know how America really works?
And that is why we have had decades of wage stagnation.
Because people like you, hire Third World immigrants, legal or illegal, to do work that otherwise, you would have to pay a more for.
It is the rare person that gives up, when they have actual opportunity available.
It is also the rare person that doesn't give up, when they have NO opportunity available.
The bottom line of all bottom lines is that the border will not work in our constitutional Republic. It has been demonstrated that the peripheral laws will only expand, taking away your Liberty and making America a third world cesspool.
You are connecting two distinct issues and assuming cause and effect.
1. There is nothing about our Constitutional Republic that is contrary to having a Wall on the border to help maintain security.
2. The assumption that "peripheral laws" will expand, somehow because of this, a. unsupported, and b. still not a good enough reason.
I assume NOTHING. I've worked all sides of this issue since 1977. You?
When the wall is unnecessary, it is overreach by the president to ignore state governors, both Houses of Congress, the overwhelming majority of National Security Advisers, and the American people. You having a hard on for a dictator is no justification for something that is wholly unnecessary.
When peripheral laws connected to the wall nullify the Bill of Rights, it is the BEST reason to avoid it.
Well over 20 million illegals living in this country, show that the Wall, and many other steps are completely needed.
Liars like you inflating the numbers help provide bonafide reasons that most people call B.S. on your socialist solution.
Calling people illegal is a sign of weakness as well. Without the name calling, you have to look at them as people. You can't do that.
1. 20 million is not an inflated number. Calling me a liar, when it is you spouting number that were weak shit, before they became old, is certainly not called for.
2. Calling an illegal alien, an illegal, is not name calling. NOr does it indicate any attempt to dehumanize them. Save the drama for the tourists.
There are 2 MILLION Dreamers. Each of them has parents. NO COURT IN AMERICA is going to allow you to separate those people from their parents and since both sides have no desire to remove Dreamers; they are citizens albeit de facto.
Figure it out, those 2 MILLION Dreamers + 4 MILLION parents = 6 MILLION people. That is one Hell of a voting bloc in anybody's playbook. That is just one class of people.
You live in a fantasy world, unable to fathom the rapidly changing demographics. You are in denial of history and unable to understand America is not some shithole where people, like the Israelis, depend upon our Freedom and Liberty which generates money to help support their small wall. Without us, the Israelis would be history. You are attacking the free enterprise system and have NO plan to avert the kind of disaster we created the last time America deported the Hispanics.
1. I completely understand the changing demographics.
2. YOu are correct that I have no plan to deal with the impact of deporting the illegals. Any disruption would be worth it.
3. My point stands. Trump is not the jackass on this issue. Those that oppose him are.
4. Capitalism is not based on cheap, illegal labor. SOME businesses might be. Some might have to adjust their pricing.
1) Obviously you do NOT understand the changing demographics. Otherwise you would avoid pushing legislation that will lead to a confrontation. You remind me of the Ku Klux Klan waging their wars in the 1960s. They could not win regardless of how "right" they thought they were
2) Since you have no plan, let me tell you how this goes:
A) Dreamers will ultimately become citizens
B) Their parents will win in the courts because we've already seen how violently and soundly the public reacts when you attempt to separate families. So, that alone gives you another 6 MILLION new Hispanic voters. Dude, in the last elections, Republicans win by mere handfuls of votes. While your old white asses are aging and dying off, the non-whites are becoming citizens and breeding
3) Trump is not God. He cannot circumvent the destiny of America. Even if you could build a wall, it would be temporary AND the peripheral laws bringing about the ultimate POLICE STATE and martial law will be the end of the posterity of the founders
4) I'm not exactly a capitalist, but I do realize that a free market enterprise system made America the greatest nation in recorded history.
1. I'm arguing for the enforcement of our democratically enacted laws. The Klan in the 60s were fighting to deprive American citizens of their full rights. To compare these two is quite insane.
INdeed, that you gloat about a racial group "dying off" makes you more like the Klan than me.
2. And again, nothing like gloating about the dying off of the largest single ethnic group in the country, to really be convincing as the Voice of Reason.
3. What posterity? You're gloating about old white guys dying off. Don't pretend to care about the posterity of the Founders now.
4. I agree. And cheap labor is not required.
You are a pathetic liar jockeying for relevance in a changing world. The United States Constitution does not give ANY branch of the government the authority to interfere in who a state may invite to stay within their borders. Besides that, NO democratically elected body can deny to any person their rights to Life and Liberty.
You think I'm gloating that dumb asses like you don't want to put your efforts into saving the Republic and I'm trying to convince you to pull your head out of your ass?
You don't make a Hell of a lot of sense. You advocate for martial law; you push for the ultimate POLICE STATE; you're all about more control, more laws, more tax money, more involvement by bureaucrats that know how to use your precedents against you and you STILL have this desire to screw the posterity of the founders over, making sure that they can NEVER be able to mount a resistance to the flustercuck you are creating. You are your own worst enemy.
1. Our immigration laws were, mostly, enacted though our democratic process. Wanting them enforced is completely reasonable.
2. Yes, when you say shit like " your old white asses are dying off, while non whites are breeding and becoming citizens" yes, that sounds like gloating.
3. Wanting an immigration policy designed to benefit Americans, is not pusHing for "the ultimate POLICE STATE".
4. And again, don't pretend to care about the founders, while gloating that their posterity are "dying off".
The "other means" boils down to the same shit we've been doing that has failed massively for generations.
Arguing for the status quo is being for an open border.
For all the bitching you do at me when I know what politician is going to vote which way, you think you have a monopoly on understanding.
Look dude, for real, you are being two faced and hypocritical. You are saying that if we don't agree with you, we're for ... an "open border." OTOH, I think you are playing semantics. An open border and a secure border are two different concepts.
Your case for a wall is a classic fail in a country that is wholly and totally committed to the amalgamation of people.
Mmm, interesting.
Tell me what you mean by "committed to the amalgamation of people".
The new mantra of the masses starts out "I don't care what color you are, what religion you are", etc. So, those who want to sugarcoat our woes will phrase it as multiculturalism while a racist might call it race mixing (even though most racists are opposed to the myriad of political ideologies and religions that foreigners bring with them when they come here.)
You want me to believe that an American is just some dumb ass that submits themselves to the same tyrannical and unconstitutional laws that you submitted to and agrees to be a slave of the state. Serf, slave, subject... that's all a citizen is in your world.
There is a contradiction between your talk of "amalgamation" and gloating that whites are "dying off".
There is no contradiction of what I'm saying to you. You simply are not paying attention. It's really that simple. You are a pawn in a political mind game.
If you don't understand Hegelian Dialectics and if you can't step back and be objective, the only thing you will ever be for the left is a useful idiot (that's their lingo for it BTW.)
Well, except that it’s not since border crossings are at the lowest they’ve been in a very long time. And still trending lower. And if you build a 30 foot wall along the entire border and foreigners continue to breach it, then what? Rebuild the wall again with a 40 foot wall?
"Fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man" General George Patton
Funny. Do you consider the flow of illegals to be a military invasion?
Of course not. If there were a military invasion, I'd support shooting the shit out them as they entered the United States. You'll never get it. The people coming here from other countries are participating in the free market. Everybody is benefiting and the ONLY damn thing you're doing is helping the left dismantle the foundational principles upon which the Republic rests.
If there were some Americans willing to work in my neighborhood, they could make a damn good living. The reality is, sir, they don't apply for the jobs. You know it, I know it and so does everybody else.
Most of your most talent (the posterity of the founders) is sucking on their joints, drinking booze, filling their bodies with opioids - or worse and sitting on their ass complaining. You have more people in prison than any nation on the planet; for every one drug addict in a rehab facility, you have more than TEN drug addicts in prison.
Half of the American population is getting a check from Uncle Scam and MILLIONS don't have any intention of working as long as mommy and daddy are paying their way (and blowing the real assets of our economy.)
Wake up dude. I hire foreigners to do work around my house in order to keep the son of a bitch. If they didn't do the work for what I can pay, the government would take the place. Americans that aren't hired don't have enough common sense to start their own business and become entrepreneurs. They want to be drug addicts, drunks and worthless pieces of shit. If they showed up in my neighborhood with minimal skills (which is what the Hispanic laborers have), they could get the jobs and there would not be a need for what you call "cheap labor."
The truth is, there is not a swinging dick in this town that pays their help what I'd pay them to do small jobs in their off hours - or to those who possess such skills who claim a foreigner is stealing their job. I'm not the only one. Plenty of us cannot afford to pay a surgeon's wages for small jobs that do not require a lot of special skills. These dumb fucking white people that come here with a pick up truck saying they can save me money by charging close to what the big box guys do are out of their minds.
They don't have insurance, no guarantee on their work, and there is no way to collect from them if they screw the job up. Yet they think the're worth an obscene amount of money when it simply isn't there in working class neighborhoods and with those on a fixed income. If the dumb asses would work for $20 or so an hour and build themselves up, they could go on and get the jobs with big box guys. Do you even know how America really works?
And that is why we have had decades of wage stagnation.
Because people like you, hire Third World immigrants, legal or illegal, to do work that otherwise, you would have to pay a more for.
It is the rare person that gives up, when they have actual opportunity available.
It is also the rare person that doesn't give up, when they have NO opportunity available.
You continue to post bullshit. So, your view is that once people are poor, they do not deserve to own their property unless they can afford to pay assholes to charge them a surgeon's wages for jobs that are worth what a person can pay?
Congratulations. You have just identified yourself as a SOCIALIST,.
You are connecting two distinct issues and assuming cause and effect.
1. There is nothing about our Constitutional Republic that is contrary to having a Wall on the border to help maintain security.
2. The assumption that "peripheral laws" will expand, somehow because of this, a. unsupported, and b. still not a good enough reason.
I assume NOTHING. I've worked all sides of this issue since 1977. You?
When the wall is unnecessary, it is overreach by the president to ignore state governors, both Houses of Congress, the overwhelming majority of National Security Advisers, and the American people. You having a hard on for a dictator is no justification for something that is wholly unnecessary.
When peripheral laws connected to the wall nullify the Bill of Rights, it is the BEST reason to avoid it.
Well over 20 million illegals living in this country, show that the Wall, and many other steps are completely needed.
Liars like you inflating the numbers help provide bonafide reasons that most people call B.S. on your socialist solution.
Calling people illegal is a sign of weakness as well. Without the name calling, you have to look at them as people. You can't do that.
1. 20 million is not an inflated number. Calling me a liar, when it is you spouting number that were weak shit, before they became old, is certainly not called for.
2. Calling an illegal alien, an illegal, is not name calling. NOr does it indicate any attempt to dehumanize them. Save the drama for the tourists.
1) You have inflated the numbers and you don't even give your own God credit for what he's claiming... or have his other measures been colossal failures? It cannot be both
2) You have to call people names because you think it helps to give credibility to your argument. Acutally, it says you have NO argument. Voting results in the last two election cycles have you LOSING SUPPORT, not gaining.
1. I completely understand the changing demographics.
2. YOu are correct that I have no plan to deal with the impact of deporting the illegals. Any disruption would be worth it.
3. My point stands. Trump is not the jackass on this issue. Those that oppose him are.
4. Capitalism is not based on cheap, illegal labor. SOME businesses might be. Some might have to adjust their pricing.
1) Obviously you do NOT understand the changing demographics. Otherwise you would avoid pushing legislation that will lead to a confrontation. You remind me of the Ku Klux Klan waging their wars in the 1960s. They could not win regardless of how "right" they thought they were
2) Since you have no plan, let me tell you how this goes:
A) Dreamers will ultimately become citizens
B) Their parents will win in the courts because we've already seen how violently and soundly the public reacts when you attempt to separate families. So, that alone gives you another 6 MILLION new Hispanic voters. Dude, in the last elections, Republicans win by mere handfuls of votes. While your old white asses are aging and dying off, the non-whites are becoming citizens and breeding
3) Trump is not God. He cannot circumvent the destiny of America. Even if you could build a wall, it would be temporary AND the peripheral laws bringing about the ultimate POLICE STATE and martial law will be the end of the posterity of the founders
4) I'm not exactly a capitalist, but I do realize that a free market enterprise system made America the greatest nation in recorded history.
1. I'm arguing for the enforcement of our democratically enacted laws. The Klan in the 60s were fighting to deprive American citizens of their full rights. To compare these two is quite insane.
INdeed, that you gloat about a racial group "dying off" makes you more like the Klan than me.
2. And again, nothing like gloating about the dying off of the largest single ethnic group in the country, to really be convincing as the Voice of Reason.
3. What posterity? You're gloating about old white guys dying off. Don't pretend to care about the posterity of the Founders now.
4. I agree. And cheap labor is not required.
You are a pathetic liar jockeying for relevance in a changing world. The United States Constitution does not give ANY branch of the government the authority to interfere in who a state may invite to stay within their borders. Besides that, NO democratically elected body can deny to any person their rights to Life and Liberty.
You think I'm gloating that dumb asses like you don't want to put your efforts into saving the Republic and I'm trying to convince you to pull your head out of your ass?
You don't make a Hell of a lot of sense. You advocate for martial law; you push for the ultimate POLICE STATE; you're all about more control, more laws, more tax money, more involvement by bureaucrats that know how to use your precedents against you and you STILL have this desire to screw the posterity of the founders over, making sure that they can NEVER be able to mount a resistance to the flustercuck you are creating. You are your own worst enemy.
1. Our immigration laws were, mostly, enacted though our democratic process. Wanting them enforced is completely reasonable.
2. Yes, when you say shit like " your old white asses are dying off, while non whites are breeding and becoming citizens" yes, that sounds like gloating.
3. Wanting an immigration policy designed to benefit Americans, is not pusHing for "the ultimate POLICE STATE".
4. And again, don't pretend to care about the founders, while gloating that their posterity are "dying off".
1) The current immigration laws were forced through Congress by the far left in an attempt to wage subtle genocide against white people
2) Well reading is not your strong suit. I'm madder than Hell to think that people like you think they can live off their parents and the taxpayers, sit on your ass wailing about the wages in America on the Internet and believing you should be paid as much as the people who either go to school and get an education OR get off their lazy asses and claim some of the many existing jobs out there.
3) You start at the bottom and work your way up. Entrepreneurs live off work you think you're too damn good to do and they work their way up. You really buy into that shit that because you're an American you should be paid an obscene amount of money for doing little more than mopping floors or being a laborer.
Your infantile remarks help discredit stupid people that buy into that swill you sell. The left thanks you.
The swill you sell (current immigration laws that are anti-white) and give unlimited powers to the federal government to nullify the Bill of Rights in order to save your from yourself are counter-productive to a Republic.
4) Someone should spit in your face for you lame ass comments about what I feel toward the posterity of the founders since I am a direct descendant of one. I'm not gloating and if you had an IQ above your shoe size, you'd realize that I'm mad as Hell at the utter stupidity of dumb asses like you. The people I know, myself included, have fought, sweated, sacrificed, and spent more money than you make, trying to save this country while idiots like you come along, buy into left wing horseshit propaganda and do all you can to destroy your own culture through blatant stupidity.
When you get about four decades of this shit under your belt, have spent tens of thousands of dollars on the cause, and have sacrificed all you can give, come talk to us about how freaking great you think you are.
For all the bitching you do at me when I know what politician is going to vote which way, you think you have a monopoly on understanding.
Look dude, for real, you are being two faced and hypocritical. You are saying that if we don't agree with you, we're for ... an "open border." OTOH, I think you are playing semantics. An open border and a secure border are two different concepts.
Your case for a wall is a classic fail in a country that is wholly and totally committed to the amalgamation of people.
Mmm, interesting.
Tell me what you mean by "committed to the amalgamation of people".
The new mantra of the masses starts out "I don't care what color you are, what religion you are", etc. So, those who want to sugarcoat our woes will phrase it as multiculturalism while a racist might call it race mixing (even though most racists are opposed to the myriad of political ideologies and religions that foreigners bring with them when they come here.)
You want me to believe that an American is just some dumb ass that submits themselves to the same tyrannical and unconstitutional laws that you submitted to and agrees to be a slave of the state. Serf, slave, subject... that's all a citizen is in your world.
There is a contradiction between your talk of "amalgamation" and gloating that whites are "dying off".
There is no contradiction of what I'm saying to you. You simply are not paying attention. It's really that simple. You are a pawn in a political mind game.
If you don't understand Hegelian Dialectics and if you can't step back and be objective, the only thing you will ever be for the left is a useful idiot (that's their lingo for it BTW.)
You are gloating about me and mine "dying off". It is hard to be objective about that.
But any positive :Amalgamation" should not be based on the elimination of one of the major parts.
This is an assumption on my part. Are you aiming, or saying that our society is aiming for a POSITIVE "amalgamation"?
"Fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man" General George Patton
Funny. Do you consider the flow of illegals to be a military invasion?
Of course not. If there were a military invasion, I'd support shooting the shit out them as they entered the United States. You'll never get it. The people coming here from other countries are participating in the free market. Everybody is benefiting and the ONLY damn thing you're doing is helping the left dismantle the foundational principles upon which the Republic rests.
If there were some Americans willing to work in my neighborhood, they could make a damn good living. The reality is, sir, they don't apply for the jobs. You know it, I know it and so does everybody else.
Most of your most talent (the posterity of the founders) is sucking on their joints, drinking booze, filling their bodies with opioids - or worse and sitting on their ass complaining. You have more people in prison than any nation on the planet; for every one drug addict in a rehab facility, you have more than TEN drug addicts in prison.
Half of the American population is getting a check from Uncle Scam and MILLIONS don't have any intention of working as long as mommy and daddy are paying their way (and blowing the real assets of our economy.)
Wake up dude. I hire foreigners to do work around my house in order to keep the son of a bitch. If they didn't do the work for what I can pay, the government would take the place. Americans that aren't hired don't have enough common sense to start their own business and become entrepreneurs. They want to be drug addicts, drunks and worthless pieces of shit. If they showed up in my neighborhood with minimal skills (which is what the Hispanic laborers have), they could get the jobs and there would not be a need for what you call "cheap labor."
The truth is, there is not a swinging dick in this town that pays their help what I'd pay them to do small jobs in their off hours - or to those who possess such skills who claim a foreigner is stealing their job. I'm not the only one. Plenty of us cannot afford to pay a surgeon's wages for small jobs that do not require a lot of special skills. These dumb fucking white people that come here with a pick up truck saying they can save me money by charging close to what the big box guys do are out of their minds.
They don't have insurance, no guarantee on their work, and there is no way to collect from them if they screw the job up. Yet they think the're worth an obscene amount of money when it simply isn't there in working class neighborhoods and with those on a fixed income. If the dumb asses would work for $20 or so an hour and build themselves up, they could go on and get the jobs with big box guys. Do you even know how America really works?
And that is why we have had decades of wage stagnation.
Because people like you, hire Third World immigrants, legal or illegal, to do work that otherwise, you would have to pay a more for.
It is the rare person that gives up, when they have actual opportunity available.
It is also the rare person that doesn't give up, when they have NO opportunity available.
You continue to post bullshit. So, your view is that once people are poor, they do not deserve to own their property unless they can afford to pay assholes to charge them a surgeon's wages for jobs that are worth what a person can pay?
Congratulations. You have just identified yourself as a SOCIALIST,.
That is a nice strawman. I can see that you are proud of it. I respectfully decline your invitation to join you in playing with it.
My previous response to what you said, stands. You are welcome to address it, if you want.
I assume NOTHING. I've worked all sides of this issue since 1977. You?
When the wall is unnecessary, it is overreach by the president to ignore state governors, both Houses of Congress, the overwhelming majority of National Security Advisers, and the American people. You having a hard on for a dictator is no justification for something that is wholly unnecessary.
When peripheral laws connected to the wall nullify the Bill of Rights, it is the BEST reason to avoid it.
Well over 20 million illegals living in this country, show that the Wall, and many other steps are completely needed.
Liars like you inflating the numbers help provide bonafide reasons that most people call B.S. on your socialist solution.
Calling people illegal is a sign of weakness as well. Without the name calling, you have to look at them as people. You can't do that.
1. 20 million is not an inflated number. Calling me a liar, when it is you spouting number that were weak shit, before they became old, is certainly not called for.
2. Calling an illegal alien, an illegal, is not name calling. NOr does it indicate any attempt to dehumanize them. Save the drama for the tourists.
1) You have inflated the numbers and you don't even give your own God credit for what he's claiming... or have his other measures been colossal failures? It cannot be both
2) You have to call people names because you think it helps to give credibility to your argument. Acutally, it says you have NO argument. Voting results in the last two election cycles have you LOSING SUPPORT, not gaining.
1. The standard number used, was based on Census results, ie asking people here illegally to admit on government forms that they were here illegally. That gave a falsely low number. And then years passed, and that number was never adjusted to deal with the constant inflow.
20 million is far more reasonable.
2. Calling an illegal alien, an illegal is not calling someone a name. This is a tactic designed by the Left to avoid actual debate on the issues, by manufacturing false outrage.
YOur attempt to dodge real debate, is noted and held against you.
1) Obviously you do NOT understand the changing demographics. Otherwise you would avoid pushing legislation that will lead to a confrontation. You remind me of the Ku Klux Klan waging their wars in the 1960s. They could not win regardless of how "right" they thought they were
2) Since you have no plan, let me tell you how this goes:
A) Dreamers will ultimately become citizens
B) Their parents will win in the courts because we've already seen how violently and soundly the public reacts when you attempt to separate families. So, that alone gives you another 6 MILLION new Hispanic voters. Dude, in the last elections, Republicans win by mere handfuls of votes. While your old white asses are aging and dying off, the non-whites are becoming citizens and breeding
3) Trump is not God. He cannot circumvent the destiny of America. Even if you could build a wall, it would be temporary AND the peripheral laws bringing about the ultimate POLICE STATE and martial law will be the end of the posterity of the founders
4) I'm not exactly a capitalist, but I do realize that a free market enterprise system made America the greatest nation in recorded history.
1. I'm arguing for the enforcement of our democratically enacted laws. The Klan in the 60s were fighting to deprive American citizens of their full rights. To compare these two is quite insane.
INdeed, that you gloat about a racial group "dying off" makes you more like the Klan than me.
2. And again, nothing like gloating about the dying off of the largest single ethnic group in the country, to really be convincing as the Voice of Reason.
3. What posterity? You're gloating about old white guys dying off. Don't pretend to care about the posterity of the Founders now.
4. I agree. And cheap labor is not required.
You are a pathetic liar jockeying for relevance in a changing world. The United States Constitution does not give ANY branch of the government the authority to interfere in who a state may invite to stay within their borders. Besides that, NO democratically elected body can deny to any person their rights to Life and Liberty.
You think I'm gloating that dumb asses like you don't want to put your efforts into saving the Republic and I'm trying to convince you to pull your head out of your ass?
You don't make a Hell of a lot of sense. You advocate for martial law; you push for the ultimate POLICE STATE; you're all about more control, more laws, more tax money, more involvement by bureaucrats that know how to use your precedents against you and you STILL have this desire to screw the posterity of the founders over, making sure that they can NEVER be able to mount a resistance to the flustercuck you are creating. You are your own worst enemy.
1. Our immigration laws were, mostly, enacted though our democratic process. Wanting them enforced is completely reasonable.
2. Yes, when you say shit like " your old white asses are dying off, while non whites are breeding and becoming citizens" yes, that sounds like gloating.
3. Wanting an immigration policy designed to benefit Americans, is not pusHing for "the ultimate POLICE STATE".
4. And again, don't pretend to care about the founders, while gloating that their posterity are "dying off".
1) The current immigration laws were forced through Congress by the far left in an attempt to wage subtle genocide against white people
2) Well reading is not your strong suit. I'm madder than Hell to think that people like you think they can live off their parents and the taxpayers, sit on your ass wailing about the wages in America on the Internet and believing you should be paid as much as the people who either go to school and get an education OR get off their lazy asses and claim some of the many existing jobs out there.
3) You start at the bottom and work your way up. Entrepreneurs live off work you think you're too damn good to do and they work their way up. You really buy into that shit that because you're an American you should be paid an obscene amount of money for doing little more than mopping floors or being a laborer.
Your infantile remarks help discredit stupid people that buy into that swill you sell. The left thanks you.
The swill you sell (current immigration laws that are anti-white) and give unlimited powers to the federal government to nullify the Bill of Rights in order to save your from yourself are counter-productive to a Republic.
4) Someone should spit in your face for you lame ass comments about what I feel toward the posterity of the founders since I am a direct descendant of one. I'm not gloating and if you had an IQ above your shoe size, you'd realize that I'm mad as Hell at the utter stupidity of dumb asses like you. The people I know, myself included, have fought, sweated, sacrificed, and spent more money than you make, trying to save this country while idiots like you come along, buy into left wing horseshit propaganda and do all you can to destroy your own culture through blatant stupidity.
When you get about four decades of this shit under your belt, have spent tens of thousands of dollars on the cause, and have sacrificed all you can give, come talk to us about how freaking great you think you are.
1. Agreed. But enforcing those laws are still better than just letting anyone who wants walk into the country.
2. a. You intent was unclear in that portion of your post, but you seem to be attacking the idea of caring about the income stagnation of unskilled or semi skilled workers. Was that you intent?
2 b And nothing of what you posted explained your comment about "old white asses dying off".
3. Too many Americans have been denied the opportunity to work their way up, because they are constantly being undercut, by the unlimited supply of Third World, labor, in several forms.
It is completely reasonable to advocate for policy to address that issue.
4. You seem to be jumping all over the place.
20 million is far more reasonable.
1) You've offered NO evidence of how many people are in this country without papers.
