Trumpcare ...

[Rustic]

... the GOP has embraced the ACA, but are offering a vastly inferior version.

Millions of people will lose coverage and the insurance market will be destabilized.

The good news is that if it passes, Republicans will own all of the train wreck that will be healthcare, and if it doesn't, they will have demonstrated for all to see that they are absolutely incapable of governing.

Winning!

Obamacare is destroying millions of people's lives… fact
It was built and passed on a bunch of lies, remember you can keep your doctor and insurance if you want to… LOL

The damned thing is imploding on its own. Its to damned expensive and insurance companies are opting out of it all over America.

The ONLY winners are those the rest of us are paying for.

Even if that is true the replacement doesn't fix anything, it just further undermines the market and makes whatever company is still left providing insurance charging that much more.

As the way it should be, no one should be forced into any insurance. No company should be expected not to make a profit.

How much did Jesus charge for healing those in need?

Nothing, he did not work for a federal government… Fact

 

[AntonToo]

just so the MANDATE is gone then i am ok with whatever is done .

Without the mandate, the scofflaws will do what scofflaws do, and the non scofflaws will pay for their treatment in the ER's of hospitals across the nation.

Not scofflaws, a lot of people just north of Medicaid eligibility will be completely screwed with $4000 max insurance tax credit. Insurance will be genuinely un-affordable for them with this subsidy reduction.

 

[Claudette]

Obamacare is destroying millions of people's lives… fact
It was built and passed on a bunch of lies, remember you can keep your doctor and insurance if you want to… LOL

The damned thing is imploding on its own. Its to damned expensive and insurance companies are opting out of it all over America.

The ONLY winners are those the rest of us are paying for.

Even if that is true the replacement doesn't fix anything, it just further undermines the market and makes whatever company is still left providing insurance charging that much more.

As the way it should be, no one should be forced into any insurance. No company should be expected not to make a profit.

How much did Jesus charge for healing those in need?

Nothing, he did not work for a federal government… Fact

He sure didn't and he wasn't forced to do it with a mandate.

 

[Rustic]

just so the MANDATE is gone then i am ok with whatever is done .

Without the mandate, the scofflaws will do what scofflaws do, and the non scofflaws will pay for their treatment in the ER's of hospitals across the nation.

Not scofflaws, a lot of people just north of Medicaid eligibility will be completely screwed with $4000 max insurance tax credit.

It cracks me up, people think insurance is healthcare...

 

[The Original Tree]

I usually wait until bed time to read one of Vlad_Gnat's threads because they put me right to sleep.
Damn it, now I need another cup of coffee.

 

[Wry Catcher]

just so the MANDATE is gone then i am ok with whatever is done .

Without the mandate, the scofflaws will do what scofflaws do, and the non scofflaws will pay for their treatment in the ER's of hospitals across the nation.

Not scofflaws, a lot of people just north of Medicaid eligibility will be completely screwed with $4000 max insurance tax credit.

Huh?

 

[Rustic]

The damned thing is imploding on its own. Its to damned expensive and insurance companies are opting out of it all over America.

The ONLY winners are those the rest of us are paying for.

Even if that is true the replacement doesn't fix anything, it just further undermines the market and makes whatever company is still left providing insurance charging that much more.

As the way it should be, no one should be forced into any insurance. No company should be expected not to make a profit.

How much did Jesus charge for healing those in need?

Nothing, he did not work for a federal government… Fact

He sure didn't and he wasn't forced to do it with a mandate.

And he did not have to worry about sniperfire in all 57 states…

 

[vlad_hombre]

I usually wait until bed time to read one of Vlad_Gnat's threads because they put me right to sleep.
Damn it, now I need another cup of coffee.

Can you imagine the enormous amount of political capital the Republicans are going to waste not passing this abortion of a bill?

This is fucking awesome!

 

[Rustic]

I usually wait until bed time to read one of Vlad_Gnat's threads because they put me right to sleep.
Damn it, now I need another cup of coffee.

Can you imagine the enormous amount of political capital the Republicans are going to waste not passing this abortion of a bill?

This is fucking awesome!

It will actually make the bill a choice as the way it should've been from the start(you know an opt in)…… No one should be forced into a socialist entitlement program.

 

[AntonToo]

So you are saying the weakness of the mandate solution is that Trump put out an EO that urges IRS to not collect the penalty (though they of course still can, because that is congress passed law his EO cannot over-ride).

Your objection is stupid. Mandate has and will work just fine if and Trump and Republicans leave it the f alone.

My accountant told me a couple weeks ago there is no way the IRS enforce the mandate, so I did not pay it... Just like millions of other people were told the same thing by their accountants.

Your accountant was fully correct in 2014 and this ahs nothing to do with Trump's EO.

Technically ACA gave IRS no means to go after mandate penalty, except to withhold it from return. But this is sort of an implicit loophole that people CAN exploit by structuring their returns a certain way but most people don't play these games and just pay the fine.

In 20+ years I have not received a rebate of any sort, so I would not know about the rebate but I know it no longer asks the question if you have health insurance anywhere on the tax form. So no proof needed… I have never paid for insurance and not about to.
Insurance is not healthcare… Fact

Yes, under ACA you were prime to not have insurance and avoid penalty. So quit your bitching already.

In 2014 I paid $99 fee for not having proof of insurance, in 2015 I paid $199 for not having proof of insurance… The new tax forms make it so I don't have to pay anything… I will not purchase insurance after all it is not healthcare.

Best read up:

The IRS noted Wednesday that tax filers remain responsible for any Obamacare penalty they owe. It also said that taxpayers who don't disclose their insurance status could end up getting questioned by the agency.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/15/irs-...hey-do-not-include-obamacare-disclosures.html

 

[Rustic]

My accountant told me a couple weeks ago there is no way the IRS enforce the mandate, so I did not pay it... Just like millions of other people were told the same thing by their accountants.

Your accountant was fully correct in 2014 and this ahs nothing to do with Trump's EO.

Technically ACA gave IRS no means to go after mandate penalty, except to withhold it from return. But this is sort of an implicit loophole that people CAN exploit by structuring their returns a certain way but most people don't play these games and just pay the fine.

In 20+ years I have not received a rebate of any sort, so I would not know about the rebate but I know it no longer asks the question if you have health insurance anywhere on the tax form. So no proof needed… I have never paid for insurance and not about to.
Insurance is not healthcare… Fact

Yes, under ACA you were prime to not have insurance and avoid penalty. So quit your bitching already.

In 2014 I paid $99 fee for not having proof of insurance, in 2015 I paid $199 for not having proof of insurance… The new tax forms make it so I don't have to pay anything… I will not purchase insurance after all it is not healthcare.

Best read up:

The IRS noted Wednesday that tax filers remain responsible for any Obamacare penalty they owe. It also said that taxpayers who don't disclose their insurance status could end up getting questioned by the agency.
IRS won't reject tax returns if they do not include Obamacare disclosures

All hype, the law is not enforced by Executive Order…

 

[AntonToo]

Your accountant was fully correct in 2014 and this ahs nothing to do with Trump's EO.

Technically ACA gave IRS no means to go after mandate penalty, except to withhold it from return. But this is sort of an implicit loophole that people CAN exploit by structuring their returns a certain way but most people don't play these games and just pay the fine.

In 20+ years I have not received a rebate of any sort, so I would not know about the rebate but I know it no longer asks the question if you have health insurance anywhere on the tax form. So no proof needed… I have never paid for insurance and not about to.
Insurance is not healthcare… Fact

Yes, under ACA you were prime to not have insurance and avoid penalty. So quit your bitching already.

In 2014 I paid $99 fee for not having proof of insurance, in 2015 I paid $199 for not having proof of insurance… The new tax forms make it so I don't have to pay anything… I will not purchase insurance after all it is not healthcare.

Best read up:

The IRS noted Wednesday that tax filers remain responsible for any Obamacare penalty they owe. It also said that taxpayers who don't disclose their insurance status could end up getting questioned by the agency.
IRS won't reject tax returns if they do not include Obamacare disclosures

All hype, the law is not enforced by Executive Order…

Executive Order cannot over-write congressional law. If replacement doesn't pass it will be about as meaningful as a degree from Trump University, so tread lightly.

 

[Rustic]

In 20+ years I have not received a rebate of any sort, so I would not know about the rebate but I know it no longer asks the question if you have health insurance anywhere on the tax form. So no proof needed… I have never paid for insurance and not about to.
Insurance is not healthcare… Fact

Yes, under ACA you were prime to not have insurance and avoid penalty. So quit your bitching already.

In 2014 I paid $99 fee for not having proof of insurance, in 2015 I paid $199 for not having proof of insurance… The new tax forms make it so I don't have to pay anything… I will not purchase insurance after all it is not healthcare.

Best read up:

The IRS noted Wednesday that tax filers remain responsible for any Obamacare penalty they owe. It also said that taxpayers who don't disclose their insurance status could end up getting questioned by the agency.
IRS won't reject tax returns if they do not include Obamacare disclosures

All hype, the law is not enforced by Executive Order…

Executive Order cannot over-write congressional law. If replacement doesn't pass it will be about as meaningful as a degree from Trump university, so tread lightly.

Millions of people will not be paying the fine/tax due to the executive order… Fact

 

[Rustic]

Yes, under ACA you were prime to not have insurance and avoid penalty. So quit your bitching already.

In 2014 I paid $99 fee for not having proof of insurance, in 2015 I paid $199 for not having proof of insurance… The new tax forms make it so I don't have to pay anything… I will not purchase insurance after all it is not healthcare.

Best read up:

The IRS noted Wednesday that tax filers remain responsible for any Obamacare penalty they owe. It also said that taxpayers who don't disclose their insurance status could end up getting questioned by the agency.
IRS won't reject tax returns if they do not include Obamacare disclosures

All hype, the law is not enforced by Executive Order…

Executive Order cannot over-write congressional law. If replacement doesn't pass it will be about as meaningful as a degree from Trump university, so tread lightly.

Millions of people will not be paying the fine/tax due to the executive order… Fact

Accountants nationwide are proving that every day

 

[AntonToo]

Yes, under ACA you were prime to not have insurance and avoid penalty. So quit your bitching already.

In 2014 I paid $99 fee for not having proof of insurance, in 2015 I paid $199 for not having proof of insurance… The new tax forms make it so I don't have to pay anything… I will not purchase insurance after all it is not healthcare.

Best read up:

The IRS noted Wednesday that tax filers remain responsible for any Obamacare penalty they owe. It also said that taxpayers who don't disclose their insurance status could end up getting questioned by the agency.
IRS won't reject tax returns if they do not include Obamacare disclosures

All hype, the law is not enforced by Executive Order…

Executive Order cannot over-write congressional law. If replacement doesn't pass it will be about as meaningful as a degree from Trump university, so tread lightly.

Millions of people will not be paying the fine/tax due to the executive order… Fact

That maybe true, just as them ending up getting wrist slapped by IRS and having to pay it down the line may be true.

 

[Rustic]

In 2014 I paid $99 fee for not having proof of insurance, in 2015 I paid $199 for not having proof of insurance… The new tax forms make it so I don't have to pay anything… I will not purchase insurance after all it is not healthcare.

Best read up:

The IRS noted Wednesday that tax filers remain responsible for any Obamacare penalty they owe. It also said that taxpayers who don't disclose their insurance status could end up getting questioned by the agency.
IRS won't reject tax returns if they do not include Obamacare disclosures

All hype, the law is not enforced by Executive Order…

Executive Order cannot over-write congressional law. If replacement doesn't pass it will be about as meaningful as a degree from Trump university, so tread lightly.

Millions of people will not be paying the fine/tax due to the executive order… Fact

That maybe true, just as them ending up getting wrist slapped down the line by IRS and having to pay it down the line may be true.

By then the Obamacare will fall underneath it's own weight… As it should it's a very communist program. You can't expect people to pay for other peoples shit forever…

 

[pismoe]

just so the MANDATE is gone then i am ok with whatever is done .

Without the mandate, the scofflaws will do what scofflaws do, and the non scofflaws will pay for their treatment in the ER's of hospitals across the nation.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get rid of it all and go back the way it was for all of my 68 years . Otherwise , get rid of the mandate WCatcher .

 

[AntonToo]

Best read up:

The IRS noted Wednesday that tax filers remain responsible for any Obamacare penalty they owe. It also said that taxpayers who don't disclose their insurance status could end up getting questioned by the agency.
IRS won't reject tax returns if they do not include Obamacare disclosures

All hype, the law is not enforced by Executive Order…

Executive Order cannot over-write congressional law. If replacement doesn't pass it will be about as meaningful as a degree from Trump university, so tread lightly.

Millions of people will not be paying the fine/tax due to the executive order… Fact

That maybe true, just as them ending up getting wrist slapped down the line by IRS and having to pay it down the line may be true.

By then the Obamacare will fall underneath it's own weight… As it should it's a very communist program. You can't expect people to pay for other peoples shit forever…

I don't think you are quite cognizant of what the words you just typed mean.

If you did you'd realize that this replacement is much bigger prospect for "falling underneath it's own weight" than ACA.

 

[Rustic]

All hype, the law is not enforced by Executive Order…

Executive Order cannot over-write congressional law. If replacement doesn't pass it will be about as meaningful as a degree from Trump university, so tread lightly.

Millions of people will not be paying the fine/tax due to the executive order… Fact

That maybe true, just as them ending up getting wrist slapped down the line by IRS and having to pay it down the line may be true.

By then the Obamacare will fall underneath it's own weight… As it should it's a very communist program. You can't expect people to pay for other peoples shit forever…

I don't think you are quite cognizant of what the words you just typed mean.

If you did you'd realize that this replacement is much bigger prospect for "falling underneath it's own weight" than ACA.

All socialist entitlement programs are bankrupt and will fail. The very concept getting something for nothing is socialist at heart.

 

[Rustic]

All hype, the law is not enforced by Executive Order…

Executive Order cannot over-write congressional law. If replacement doesn't pass it will be about as meaningful as a degree from Trump university, so tread lightly.

Millions of people will not be paying the fine/tax due to the executive order… Fact

That maybe true, just as them ending up getting wrist slapped down the line by IRS and having to pay it down the line may be true.

By then the Obamacare will fall underneath it's own weight… As it should it's a very communist program. You can't expect people to pay for other peoples shit forever…

I don't think you are quite cognizant of what the words you just typed mean.

If you did you'd realize that this replacement is much bigger prospect for "falling underneath it's own weight" than ACA.

Basically what Obama care is, not only is it legalized extortion it's a tax on success.