Turkey in a Uproar

[GHook93]

Unions join forces with Turkish protesters - CNN.com

Arrogantdogan is in some trouble. He is facing MASS protest and they do not seem to be letting up. Eventually people see a loud hypocrite for what he is - A LOUD HYPOCRITE!

 

[High_Gravity]

Are the protestors wanting a more Islamic state or is this something else?

 

[Sallow]

Are the protestors wanting a more Islamic state or is this something else?

Actually..no.

This started because the government was going to turn a park near Taksim Square in Istanbul into a shopping mall. And then they were going to tear down Taksim Square to add more traffic lanes.

Anyone familiar with politics in Istanbul, knows the government has a way of dismantling old neighborhoods, where the poor live, and putting in luxury housing.

People are sick of it. Hence the protests.

 

[GHook93]

Are the protestors wanting a more Islamic state or is this something else?

This is much different than the Arab Spring. It's much like the Iranian protests. Turkey used to be a moderate secular country with a near 100% Islamic population that had a growing economy, now secularism is near dead and it's run by an Islamist government that is curtailing freedoms and private enterprises.

These protesters are secularist along with the Unions against the facist Islamist in charge!

 

[martybegan]

Are the protestors wanting a more Islamic state or is this something else?

Actually..no.

This started because the government was going to turn a park near Taksim Square in Istanbul into a shopping mall. And then they were going to tear down Taksim Square to add more traffic lanes.

Anyone familiar with politics in Istanbul, knows the government has a way of dismantling old neighborhoods, where the poor live, and putting in luxury housing.

People are sick of it. Hence the protests.

You also have the more secular people being pissed off over some Islamic based edicts, involving things like alcohol consumption.

 

[Sallow]

Are the protestors wanting a more Islamic state or is this something else?

This is much different than the Arab Spring. It's much like the Iranian protests. Turkey used to be a moderate secular country with a near 100% Islamic population that had a growing economy, now secularism is near dead and it's run by an Islamist government that is curtailing freedoms and private enterprises.

These protesters are secularist along with the Unions against the facist Islamist in charge!

Astonishing Holmes..

You've gotten the whole thing nearly completely wrong.

 

[GHook93]

Are the protestors wanting a more Islamic state or is this something else?

Actually..no.

This started because the government was going to turn a park near Taksim Square in Istanbul into a shopping mall. And then they were going to tear down Taksim Square to add more traffic lanes.

Anyone familiar with politics in Istanbul, knows the government has a way of dismantling old neighborhoods, where the poor live, and putting in luxury housing.

People are sick of it. Hence the protests.

Shopping mall and traffic lights!!! LOL stop your killing me! A protest does go to 67 of the 80+ providences of the country based on traffic lights!

 

[Sallow]

Are the protestors wanting a more Islamic state or is this something else?

Actually..no.

This started because the government was going to turn a park near Taksim Square in Istanbul into a shopping mall. And then they were going to tear down Taksim Square to add more traffic lanes.

Anyone familiar with politics in Istanbul, knows the government has a way of dismantling old neighborhoods, where the poor live, and putting in luxury housing.

People are sick of it. Hence the protests.

You also have the more secular people being pissed off over some Islamic based edicts, involving things like alcohol consumption.

Not really.

They are pretty happy that the government isn't as Military centric as it use to be.

But they are overly business friendly. Hence the protests.

Notice..the Unions are involved..right?

Last time I was in Istanbul, Unions were protesting as well.

 

[Sallow]

Are the protestors wanting a more Islamic state or is this something else?

Actually..no.

This started because the government was going to turn a park near Taksim Square in Istanbul into a shopping mall. And then they were going to tear down Taksim Square to add more traffic lanes.

Anyone familiar with politics in Istanbul, knows the government has a way of dismantling old neighborhoods, where the poor live, and putting in luxury housing.

People are sick of it. Hence the protests.

Shopping mall and traffic lights!!! LOL stop your killing me! A protest does go to 67 of the 80+ providences of the country based on traffic lights!

That's how it started ace.

How'd you like Istanbul..when you were there?

You get to see the Cistern? Or the Blue Mosque?

 

[GHook93]

Are the protestors wanting a more Islamic state or is this something else?

This is much different than the Arab Spring. It's much like the Iranian protests. Turkey used to be a moderate secular country with a near 100% Islamic population that had a growing economy, now secularism is near dead and it's run by an Islamist government that is curtailing freedoms and private enterprises.

These protesters are secularist along with the Unions against the facist Islamist in charge!

Astonishing Holmes..

You've gotten the whole thing nearly completely wrong.

Coming from you, I believe that gave my assessment the crediability it needs! Thx

 

[martybegan]

Actually..no.

This started because the government was going to turn a park near Taksim Square in Istanbul into a shopping mall. And then they were going to tear down Taksim Square to add more traffic lanes.

Anyone familiar with politics in Istanbul, knows the government has a way of dismantling old neighborhoods, where the poor live, and putting in luxury housing.

People are sick of it. Hence the protests.

You also have the more secular people being pissed off over some Islamic based edicts, involving things like alcohol consumption.

Not really.

They are pretty happy that the government isn't as Military centric as it use to be.

But they are overly business friendly. Hence the protests.

Notice..the Unions are involved..right?

Last time I was in Istanbul, Unions were protesting as well.

Ace of Spades HQ

 

[Sallow]

This is much different than the Arab Spring. It's much like the Iranian protests. Turkey used to be a moderate secular country with a near 100% Islamic population that had a growing economy, now secularism is near dead and it's run by an Islamist government that is curtailing freedoms and private enterprises.

These protesters are secularist along with the Unions against the facist Islamist in charge!

Astonishing Holmes..

You've gotten the whole thing nearly completely wrong.

Coming from you, I believe that gave my assessment the crediability it needs! Thx

It's Credibility Ace.

Let's use it in a sentence.

You'd have more credibility if you actually knew how to spell the word.

 

[Sallow]

You also have the more secular people being pissed off over some Islamic based edicts, involving things like alcohol consumption.

Not really.

They are pretty happy that the government isn't as Military centric as it use to be.

But they are overly business friendly. Hence the protests.

Notice..the Unions are involved..right?

Last time I was in Istanbul, Unions were protesting as well.

Ace of Spades HQ

From your link:

The protesters were also objecting to Erdogan's development initiatives, tearing down parks to build shopping centers.

 

[Katzndogz]

Are the protestors wanting a more Islamic state or is this something else?

It started off with a relatively peaceful protest by a few environmentally minded against tearing out a park and putting in a shopping center. Islamic militants were able to divert the reason for removing the park to a secular attack on islam as the park was used during prayer time by the devout as a place to roll out the prayer mats.

This is a common tactic by muslim militants. They can take any protest, no matter what the reason, and turn it into a major riot. The muslim majority of Turkey has been agitated against the avowed secularist government. Turkey's Constitution provides for religious freedom. Only 2% of Turkey isn't muslim. The majority want to change things.

Throw into this volatile mix, the Kurds who will exploit any conflict to achieve independence and you have the makings of a civil war.

 

[Sallow]

Are the protestors wanting a more Islamic state or is this something else?

It started off with a relatively peaceful protest by a few environmentally minded against tearing out a park and putting in a shopping center. Islamic militants were able to divert the reason for removing the park to a secular attack on islam as the park was used during prayer time by the devout as a place to roll out the prayer mats.

This is a common tactic by muslim militants. They can take any protest, no matter what the reason, and turn it into a major riot. The muslim majority of Turkey has been agitated against the avowed secularist government. Turkey's Constitution provides for religious freedom. Only 2% of Turkey isn't muslim. The majority want to change things.

Throw into this volatile mix, the Kurds who will exploit any conflict to achieve independence and you have the makings of a civil war.

I think the Roma also joined the protests.

But the root of this isn't "muslim militants", it's class related.

 

[martybegan]

Not really.

They are pretty happy that the government isn't as Military centric as it use to be.

But they are overly business friendly. Hence the protests.

Notice..the Unions are involved..right?

Last time I was in Istanbul, Unions were protesting as well.

Ace of Spades HQ

From your link:

The protesters were also objecting to Erdogan's development initiatives, tearing down parks to build shopping centers.

Yes, of course that was part of it, and I did not deny that. You appear to be denying that there is any anti-islamic sentiment whatsover, which is clearly not the case.

 

[Sallow]

Are the protestors wanting a more Islamic state or is this something else?

This is much different than the Arab Spring. It's much like the Iranian protests. Turkey used to be a moderate secular country with a near 100% Islamic population that had a growing economy, now secularism is near dead and it's run by an Islamist government that is curtailing freedoms and private enterprises.

These protesters are secularist along with the Unions against the facist Islamist in charge!

So..you've been shown..by some of conservative compatriots..to be completely wrong about the cause of the protests.

Any retort?

 

[Sallow]

Ace of Spades HQ

From your link:

The protesters were also objecting to Erdogan's development initiatives, tearing down parks to build shopping centers.

Yes, of course that was part of it, and I did not deny that. You appear to be denying that there is any anti-islamic sentiment whatsover, which is clearly not the case.

Not "any"..I am sure there is some of that in the mix.

Istanbul is a very cosmopolitan city. A protest like this would be sure to draw in everyone with an agenda. I attended protests in NYC against the Iraq war and there was some 250K people there.

Everyone with an axe to grind was making noise.

 

[Circe]

Are the protestors wanting a more Islamic state or is this something else?

It started off with a relatively peaceful protest by a few environmentally minded against tearing out a park and putting in a shopping center. Islamic militants were able to divert the reason for removing the park to a secular attack on islam as the park was used during prayer time by the devout as a place to roll out the prayer mats.

This is a common tactic by muslim militants. They can take any protest, no matter what the reason, and turn it into a major riot. The muslim majority of Turkey has been agitated against the avowed secularist government. Turkey's Constitution provides for religious freedom. Only 2% of Turkey isn't muslim. The majority want to change things.

Throw into this volatile mix, the Kurds who will exploit any conflict to achieve independence and you have the makings of a civil war.

I think the Roma also joined the protests.

But the root of this isn't "muslim militants", it's class related.

The left started it. Environmentalists, communists, Roma, unions.

But the right will finish it and take over completely, if the pattern established so far across the Mideast holds.

Or it could develop into a civil war in which we won't know whether left or right wins for months or years.

A lot of Muslim apologists say, "Oh, nothing happening here, it'll all die down, nothing really going on!!"

And so far, they have always been wrong, except perhaps when Saudi troops overwhelmed little Bahrain and stopped that revolution cold. Otherwise they have all continued to either rightist Islamic takeover or civil war.

 

[GHook93]

Actually..no.

This started because the government was going to turn a park near Taksim Square in Istanbul into a shopping mall. And then they were going to tear down Taksim Square to add more traffic lanes.

Anyone familiar with politics in Istanbul, knows the government has a way of dismantling old neighborhoods, where the poor live, and putting in luxury housing.

People are sick of it. Hence the protests.

You also have the more secular people being pissed off over some Islamic based edicts, involving things like alcohol consumption.

Not really.

They are pretty happy that the government isn't as Military centric as it use to be.

But they are overly business friendly. Hence the protests.

Notice..the Unions are involved..right?

Last time I was in Istanbul, Unions were protesting as well.

LOL, what was one of the first things Arrogantadogan did? He expanded and seeked to double the size of the Turkish military in a 'stated' effort to decrease their high unemployment.