Turns out that even the skeptics agree, the earth is warming abnormally

[paulitician]

Global Warming is a Socialist/Communist Globalist scam. Looks who's behind all the fear mongering. Nuff said.

 

[Vast LWC]

All the leading figures of the global warming cult are involved in the Climategate scandal, not just a few non-entities. These are the people who decide what gets into the IPCC reports every four years.

Your argument is a colossal fail

WOW, tens of thousands of people, including every major figure that believes Global Warming exists were sending e-mails in the "Climategate scandal"?

That's amazing!

Too bad it also happens to be a lie.

 

[Vast LWC]

Not only is climategate proof that AGW is a fraud - it's proof of a globalist conspiracy...

Obviously. Whatever the fuck that means.

You're really in deep with the black helicopter line of thinking.

Twenty years ago, you would have been considered a real wacko. But in the age of FoxNews, where facts are relative, you're just another "Conservative".

 

[thereisnospoon]

As I said...

Thus far no conclusive proof that Global Warming is not real.

A number of attempts without foundation or links for that matter.

Politicians are among the most uninformed paid for by special interest contributions therefore misleading the nation.

Oh I get it...So, we are now at a point where anyone may make a claim based on an opinion, we are supposed to accept that claim at face value.
Never mind the fact that to date there is only one unbiased climate study that has concluded that the Earth's average temp has warmed a whopping 1.8*C.
No one is permitted to question or demand proof of the claim. If they do they are called "deniers"...
Newsflash...That isn't how it works. Those that claim man made global warming exists shoulder 100% of the burden of proof. Not the other way around.
The problem the enviro kooks have is no study has ever concluded beyond question that the Earth's climate can be influenced by human activity.
Oh, they have assumed that man is destroying the planet and all the other tree hugger nonsense.
One climate event that took place hundreds of years ago that the global warming crowd refuses to acknowledge is the unusually warm period in the 12th century. Records from that period indicate winters without snow in northern Europe. Must have been all those smoke belching horse drawn carriages and cattle farts.

 

[Vast LWC]

Global Warming is a Socialist/Communist Globalist scam. Looks who's behind all the fear mongering. Nuff said.

Obviously.

The old "Socialist/Communist/Globalist" scam.

Better alert the Illuminati that you guys are onto them!

 

[merrill]

As I said...

Thus far no conclusive proof that Global Warming is not real.

A number of attempts without foundation or links for that matter.

Politicians are among the most uninformed paid for by special interest contributions therefore misleading the nation.

Oh I get it...So, we are now at a point where anyone may make a claim based on an opinion, we are supposed to accept that claim at face value.
Never mind the fact that to date there is only one unbiased climate study that has concluded that the Earth's average temp has warmed a whopping 1.8*C.
No one is permitted to question or demand proof of the claim. If they do they are called "deniers"...
Newsflash...That isn't how it works. Those that claim man made global warming exists shoulder 100% of the burden of proof. Not the other way around.
The problem the enviro kooks have is no study has ever concluded beyond question that the Earth's climate can be influenced by human activity.
Oh, they have assumed that man is destroying the planet and all the other tree hugger nonsense.
One climate event that took place hundreds of years ago that the global warming crowd refuses to acknowledge is the unusually warm period in the 12th century. Records from that period indicate winters without snow in northern Europe. Must have been all those smoke belching horse drawn carriages and cattle farts.

Are you looking into the mirror as you speak....

Deniers are led astray by the huge profiteering network...

 

[Mr.Nick]

Climate skeptics perform independent analysis, finally convinced Earth is getting warmer

Climate skeptics perform independent analysis, finally convinced Earth is getting warmer

Yep, even skeptics like Richard Muller and Anthony Watts are now admitting that Global Warming is in fact a real phenomena.

Although, in a move that would be funny if it weren't so sad, Global Warming doubter Anthony Watts is claiming that's what he said all along...

"Abnormally"

In what universe have humans been around long enough to determine what is "normal" in the first place???

It's a fucking fact our climates change - however blaming the a natural event on human activity is just plain bullshit...

"Climate change" is nothing more than a scam. The natural event has been used for profit and used to brainwash people into submitting their rights to government.

 

[Oddball]

Wow. That totally disproves AGW.

The way you wackadoodles play it, it's prolly more "proof" of it.

Too hot?...Global warming.
Too cold?...Global warming.
Drought?...Global warming.
Deluge?...Global warming.
Depression?...Global warming.
Flying toads?...Global warming.
Loch Ness Monster dead?...Global warming.
Ran out of gas?...Global warming.
Have a flat tire?...Global warming.
Didn't have enough cab fare?...Global warming.
Tux didn't come back from the cleaners?...Global warming.
Old friend came in from out of town?...Global warming.
Someone stole your car?...Global warming.
Earthquake?...Global warming.
A terrible flood?...Global warming.
LOCUSTS?...Global warming.


A complete list of things caused by global warming

I've seen the list.

And I agree with your assessment. One of the first things they taught me in graduate school is that if there's a website with a list of things a theory might explain, that theory is wrong. Good theories explain nothing.

No, just that the theory is pretty much unfalsifiable....They did teach you what that means in gradual school, didn't they?

Couple that with the profound quantifiability problem (i.e. nobody -but nobody- can say how much CO2 is generated naturally and how much by man's activities, nor can they say X amount of CO2 = Y amount of warming) and you no longer have a theory....You have a popcorn fart.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

The way you wackadoodles play it, it's prolly more "proof" of it.

Too hot?...Global warming.
Too cold?...Global warming.
Drought?...Global warming.
Deluge?...Global warming.
Depression?...Global warming.
Flying toads?...Global warming.
Loch Ness Monster dead?...Global warming.
Ran out of gas?...Global warming.
Have a flat tire?...Global warming.
Didn't have enough cab fare?...Global warming.
Tux didn't come back from the cleaners?...Global warming.
Old friend came in from out of town?...Global warming.
Someone stole your car?...Global warming.
Earthquake?...Global warming.
A terrible flood?...Global warming.
LOCUSTS?...Global warming.


A complete list of things caused by global warming

I've seen the list.

And I agree with your assessment. One of the first things they taught me in graduate school is that if there's a website with a list of things a theory might explain, that theory is wrong. Good theories explain nothing.

No, just that the theory is pretty much unfalsifiable....They did teach you what that means in gradual school, didn't they?

Couple that with the profound quantifiability problem (i.e. nobody -but nobody- can say how much CO2 is generated naturally and how much by man's activities

Right, nobody.

, nor can they say X amount of CO2 = Y amount of warming) and you no longer have a theory....You have a popcorn fart.

Nobody has ever done that, either

Radiative forcing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Oddball]

It also seems that they failed to teach you that correlation doesn't equal causation (post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy) or the definitive and physically verifiable proof that CO2 concentrations follow ambient temperature increases, rather than being a precursor.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

It also seems that they failed to teach you that correlation doesn't equal causation (post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy) or the definitive and physically verifiable proof that CO2 concentrations follow ambient temperature increases, rather than being a precursor.

So you're saying there is no causal link between emitting CO2 into the atmosphere and CO2 being in the atmosphere.
Do I hear you right?

Jesus Christ you can't be that fucking stupid. If I took a dump in your bedroom you'd maintain there is no causal link between the bad smell in the air and the steaming pile of shit on the floor.

 

[Oddball]

I'm saying that there's nothing to show that man's activities are to blame.

In fact, the evidence shows that CO2 concentrations are a trailing indicator of a warming planet, ergo the CO2 level increase should be completely expected.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

I'm saying that there's nothing to show that man's activities are to blame.

Right. Nothing. Nothing at all.

Radiative forcing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In fact, the evidence shows that CO2 concentrations are a trailing indicator of a warming planet, ergo the CO2 level increase should be completely expected.

"the evidence" ? What is "the evidence" ? Is "the evidence" something you haven't presented yet?

I think I'm starting to get your POV. "the evidence" is something that no one has to present, we just know its there, and it always supports your view. "no evidence" is the stuff I present, backed by data and science, that's "no evidence".

Got it.


BTW, can you explain how a warming planet causes man to burn fossil fuels? Because I think that's a bit of a stretch. Might cause man to burn a little more for AC - but he'll burn a little less for heat in that case. So please - elaborate on how rising temperatures CAUSED us to burn more CO2 into the air.

 

[Oddball]

NASA Satellite Shows That Global Temperatures Continue Their Plunge Into Record Cold

NASA Satellite Shows That Global Temperatures Continue Their Plunge Into Record Cold | Real Science

Lemmie guess....That's all because of anthropogenic Goebbels warm....er climate change (yeah, that's the ticket) too?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

NASA Satellite Shows That Global Temperatures Continue Their Plunge Into Record Cold

NASA Satellite Shows That Global Temperatures Continue Their Plunge Into Record Cold | Real Science

Lemmie guess....That's all because of anthropogenic Goebbels warm....er climate change (yeah, that's the ticket) too?

Where's the article? Is that plot of one year of temperatures it?

I have no idea what you're trying to prove. You still haven't shown us how increased temperatures cause man to burn so much Co2.

 

[Oddball]

"the evidence" ? What is "the evidence" ? Is "the evidence" something you haven't presented yet?

The Vostok ice core data is very well known and readily available to all who want it...That is except for the haoxers.

CO2, Temperatures, and Ice Ages | Watts Up With That?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

"the evidence" ? What is "the evidence" ? Is "the evidence" something you haven't presented yet?

The Vostok ice core data is very well known and readily available to all who want it...That is except for the haoxers.

CO2, Temperatures, and Ice Ages | Watts Up With That?

Yeah, right, climatologists have never even referenced the Vostok core in their papers. Ever. They didn't even know it existed until you told them.

I still don't see how that proves that rising temperatures have caused man to burn more CO2.

 

[Vast LWC]

I'm saying that there's nothing to show that man's activities are to blame.

In fact, the evidence shows that CO2 concentrations are a trailing indicator of a warming planet, ergo the CO2 level increase should be completely expected.

The causal relationship question is why I am not 100% certain on the man-made question.

However, one cannot deny that there is:

1. a relationship between CO2 and increased warming from radiance

and

2. a large increase of CO2 and warming happening at the same.

And, given that one can be a cause of another, that's a mighty big coinicidence.

But again, it is not definitive proof.

 

[thereisnospoon]

As I said...

Thus far no conclusive proof that Global Warming is not real.

A number of attempts without foundation or links for that matter.

Politicians are among the most uninformed paid for by special interest contributions therefore misleading the nation.

Oh I get it...So, we are now at a point where anyone may make a claim based on an opinion, we are supposed to accept that claim at face value.
Never mind the fact that to date there is only one unbiased climate study that has concluded that the Earth's average temp has warmed a whopping 1.8*C.
No one is permitted to question or demand proof of the claim. If they do they are called "deniers"...
Newsflash...That isn't how it works. Those that claim man made global warming exists shoulder 100% of the burden of proof. Not the other way around.
The problem the enviro kooks have is no study has ever concluded beyond question that the Earth's climate can be influenced by human activity.
Oh, they have assumed that man is destroying the planet and all the other tree hugger nonsense.
One climate event that took place hundreds of years ago that the global warming crowd refuses to acknowledge is the unusually warm period in the 12th century. Records from that period indicate winters without snow in northern Europe. Must have been all those smoke belching horse drawn carriages and cattle farts.

Are you looking into the mirror as you speak....

Deniers are led astray by the huge profiteering network...

Non responsive.
Please reply with something of substance. Empty rhetoric is unacceptable.

 

[merrill]

While global warming has been a concern for many many many many many many many decades some things are for certain:

1. Never before has there been billions upon billions upon billions of humans polluting planet earth

2. Never before has there been billions upon billions of gasoline burning vehicles
spewing pollution into the atmosphere

3. Never before has there been billions of homes demanding energy from polluting sources

4. Never before has there been billions of buildings demanding energy from polluting sources

5. Never before has there been billions of polluting energy generating sources

6. Never before has there been billions upon billions upon billions upon billions upon billions of humans clearing the rainforest for meat products and not knowing the long term impact of massive tree removal.

7. Never before has planet earth been expected to absorb tons and tons and tons and tons of pollution with human beings having no idea what the the hell the impact might be

8. Never before has there been billions upon billions upon billions upon billions upon billions upon billions upon billions of human beings believing THEIR pollution is having zero impact ....... can we say ignorance is bliss.