2aguy
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no law abiding gun owner has ever murdered with THEIR guns?1. from your linkUK murder rate four times lower than the US
I said London's murder rate rivalled that of New York city's in 2018. This article states that it overtook it.
London murder rate 2018 - how many murders have there been so far & which city has the world's highest murder rate?
2. hahahahah-NYCity is a gun controlled city !!!!!!!!!!!!!momentarily
very pro-gun St Louis population 320,000 ---murders 189
NYC population 8. 6 MILLION murders---- 289 = gun control works
3. UK murder rate FOUR times lower--not twice as low, not 3 times--but FOUR times
Fatherless boys drive murder rates, not law abiding gun owners you mope....and you have been shown over and over again that it is democrat policies toward releasing violent, known, repeat gun offenders in these cities that allows for high gun murder rates....specifically St. Louis where the democrats have been in control since...1949.....
Law abiding gun owners do not murder people with their legal guns, you dumb ass......and Baltimore has 620,000 people, and even more extreme gun control than New York, you dumb ass, and a higher gun murder rate than New York.......gun control fails.....it is culture, crime control policies, and the having the democrats in charge that determine gun murder rates...
Baltimore has had democrat mayors since 1969.........
New York...had Rudy Guiliani and his police commissioner put in place actual crime control policies that targeted actual criminals......and now the democrats are getting rid of them and the murder rate is going back up...you doofus.
St. Louis
Democrats in charge since 1949
Mayor of St. Louis - Wikipedia
Rise in Murders Has St. Louis Debating Why
Jennifer M. Joyce, the city’s circuit attorney, or prosecutor, an elected position, complains that in St. Louis, the illegal possession of a gun is too often “a crime without a consequence,” making it difficult to stop confrontation from turning lethal.
At the same time, deeper social roots of violence such as addiction and unemployment continue unchecked. And city officials also cite what they call a “Ferguson effect,” an increase in crime last year as police officers were diverted to control protests after a white officer shot and killed Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager in the nearby suburb on Aug. 9.
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Now, an overstretched department is forced to pick one neighborhood at a time to flood with officers. Last month, Chief Dotson even asked the state highway patrol if it could lend a dozen men to help watch downtown streets; the agency declined.
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When the police discover a gun in a car with several passengers, including some with felony records, but no one admits to owning the gun, criminal charges are often impossible, Mr. Rosenfeld said.
In addition, according to a 2014 study by Mr. Rosenfeld and his colleagues, a majority of those who are convicted of illegally possessing a gun but not caught using it in a crime receive probation rather than jail time. Gun laws and enforcement are stiffer in many other cities.
Violence down in St. Louis but homicides hold steady. Are tougher penalties for gun crimes the answer?
But many challenges remain, official said. The department is still down more than 130 officers. Witnesses to crimes remain reluctant to come forward for fear of retaliation, making it difficult to close cases. And a lack of state laws to deter gun crimes has forced the police to turn to federal courts to indict some suspects.
On Tuesday, Edwards made a new pitch: He wants to see the mandatory minimum sentence for armed criminal action raised from its current ceiling of three years to at least 15 years for nonfatal shootings, and 25 years for fatal shootings.
are you sure you don't want to change that??
How about you actually post what I typed?
Law abiding gun owners do not murder people with their legal guns, you dumb ass
As for the truth, 90% of murders are committed by individuals with long histories of crime and violence going back to their teen years....so the gun has nothing to do with their desire to murder their victim....you dumb ass...
In just one city...
As Gun-Related Deaths Increase, Prior Criminal Records Is Common Link Among Shooters, Victims | Wisconsin Public Radio
Almost two-thirds of the fatal shootings in the state have taken place in Milwaukee. The others are scattered around 15 different cities and towns. In almost all cases, however, both victims and alleged perpetrators have criminal records.
Mallory O'Brien, of the Milwaukee Homicide Review Commission, tracks those numbers for the city of Milwaukee.
"(About) 94 percent of our victims have an arrest history and 93 percent of our suspects have an arrest history," O'Brien said.
O'Brien said the same percentage is true for non-fatal shooting incidents. There's been an increase in those numbers as well. By the end of June of last year, there were 204 cases and the count at the six-month mark this year, there have been 248 incidents -- a 21-percent increase. She said there' also been an increase in the number of shooting incidents with multiple victims.
Over all....
The Criminology of Firearms
In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and some empirical research of its own about guns. The Academy could not identify any gun restriction that had reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.
Why don't gun bans work? Because they rely on voluntary compliance by gun-using criminals. Prohibitionists never see this absurdity because they deceive themselves into thinking that, as Katherine Christoffel has said: "[M]ost shootings are not committed by felons or mentally ill people, but are acts of passion that are committed using a handgun that is owned for home protection."
Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong. The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.
While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies. Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."