U.S. Govt Film Depicts WWII Japanese Internment Differently Than You Were Taught

[Mojo2]

U.S. Govt Film Depicts WWII Japanese Internment Differently Than You Were Taught

Published on Sep 2, 2012
United States Office Of War information film defending the World War II internment of Japanese American citizens.

The following information courtesy Japanese - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia...
Japanese-American internment was the relocation and internment by the United States government in 1942 of about 110,000 Japanese Americans and Japanese who lived along the Pacific coast of the United States to camps called "War Relocation Camps," in the wake of Imperial Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor. The internment of Japanese Americans was applied unequally throughout the United States. All who lived on the West Coast of the United States were interned, while in Hawaii, where the 150,000-plus Japanese Americans composed over one-third of the population, an estimated 1,200 to 1,800 were interned. Of those interned, 62% were American citizens.

President Franklin D. Roosevelt authorized the internment with Executive Order 9066, issued February 19, 1942, which allowed local military commanders to designate "military areas" as "exclusion zones," from which "any or all persons may be excluded." This power was used to declare that all people of Japanese ancestry were excluded from the entire Pacific coast, including all of California and much of Oregon, Washington and Arizona, except for those in internment camps. In 1944, the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the exclusion orders, while noting that the provisions that singled out people of Japanese ancestry were a separate issue outside the scope of the proceedings. The United States Census Bureau assisted the internment efforts by providing confidential neighborhood information on Japanese Americans. The Bureau's role was denied for decades, but was finally proven in 2007.

In 1988, Congress passed and President Ronald Reagan signed legislation which apologized for the internment on behalf of the U.S. government. The legislation said that government actions were based on "race prejudice, war hysteria, and a failure of political leadership". The U.S. government eventually disbursed more than $1.6 billion in reparations to Japanese Americans who had been interned and their heirs.

When I've pondered the issue of whether there was sufficient justification i have never given any thought to the rationale given early on in this film, that if there'sd been an invasion the Govt. wanted to keep the Japanese safe and away from any fighting where well intentioned American men with rifle and shotguns and pistols and knives might mistakenly target the Americans of japanese heritage thinking they were invaders and double agents and such.

Might have saved a great many of them from overzealous American White boys with deadly weapons who didn't really care if Mr. Nisei (Pronounced "nee" "say") had an American birth certificate or not. Boys who subscribed to the belief that the only good Jap is a dead Jap!

Ni·sei (n-s, ns)
n. pl. Nisei or Ni·seis
A person born to parents who emigrated from Japan.

So, once again we see that it's important that, whenever possible, we always consider at least one other point of view when coming to a conclusion about a thing.

Is there any credence to the idea presented by the film that relocation of the Japanese Americans was to keep them safe if a japanese invasion took place on the West Coast?

 

[Moonglow]

Social bias of races. Asians were banned at one time from immigrating.

 

[regent]

Even before Pearl Harbor there was a great deal of hatred of the Japanese on the West coast, and particularly towards successful Japanese-Americans. After Pearl Harbor fear was added to the hate. Hard for us, today to imagine the fear that was to be found on the West coast after Pearl Harbor.
The commander of the corp area was also a highly prejudiced individual and he recommended the evacuation, as did many organizations like like the DGW and California fruit growers and so forth. FDR backed up the general.
A lot of wrong moves were made at the time and the evacuation was one. A book or two could be written just about the wrong moves made during WWII but most wrongs were made with good intentions, and most we don't know about.

 

[Mojo2]

Even before Pearl Harbor there was a great deal of hatred of the Japanese on the West coast, and particularly towards successful Japanese-Americans. After Pearl Harbor fear was added to the hate. Hard for us, today to imagine the fear that was to be found on the West coast after Pearl Harbor.
The commander of the corp area was also a highly prejudiced individual and he recommended the evacuation, as did many organizations like like the DGW and California fruit growers and so forth. FDR backed up the general.
A lot of wrong moves were made at the time and the evacuation was one. A book or two could be written just about the wrong moves made during WWII but most wrongs were made with good intentions, and most we don't know about.

Rahm Emanuel

Mayor Emanuel said that he had worked for two presidents in his career and that “when the decision was between good and bad, that decision was made down the hall. When the decision was between bad and worse, that came to the office of the president.”

The President had to make a tough decision. But, he put the welfare of the nation ahead of the welfare of the smaller numbers of American japanese and japanese Americans who were interned.

Admirably so.

 

[Unkotare]

Is there any credence to the idea presented by the film that relocation of the Japanese Americans was to keep them safe if a japanese invasion took place on the West Coast?

There is NO excuse of that scumbag FDR's concentration camps. Why weren't all Americans of German or Italian ancestry removed from the East Coast "to keep them safe"? Never in American history has a worse villain occupied the office of President of the United States.

 

[Unkotare]

The President had to make a tough decision. But, he put the welfare of the nation ahead of the welfare of the smaller numbers of American .....

That's not how it works. FDR wiped his ass with the US Constitution and should be remembered for the scumbag that he was. No wonder obama admires him so.

 

[Againsheila]

U.S. Govt Film Depicts WWII Japanese Internment Differently Than You Were Taught

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6gSShuQCUE

Published on Sep 2, 2012
United States Office Of War information film defending the World War II internment of Japanese American citizens.

The following information courtesy Japanese - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia...
Japanese-American internment was the relocation and internment by the United States government in 1942 of about 110,000 Japanese Americans and Japanese who lived along the Pacific coast of the United States to camps called "War Relocation Camps," in the wake of Imperial Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor. The internment of Japanese Americans was applied unequally throughout the United States. All who lived on the West Coast of the United States were interned, while in Hawaii, where the 150,000-plus Japanese Americans composed over one-third of the population, an estimated 1,200 to 1,800 were interned. Of those interned, 62% were American citizens.

President Franklin D. Roosevelt authorized the internment with Executive Order 9066, issued February 19, 1942, which allowed local military commanders to designate "military areas" as "exclusion zones," from which "any or all persons may be excluded." This power was used to declare that all people of Japanese ancestry were excluded from the entire Pacific coast, including all of California and much of Oregon, Washington and Arizona, except for those in internment camps. In 1944, the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the exclusion orders, while noting that the provisions that singled out people of Japanese ancestry were a separate issue outside the scope of the proceedings. The United States Census Bureau assisted the internment efforts by providing confidential neighborhood information on Japanese Americans. The Bureau's role was denied for decades, but was finally proven in 2007.

In 1988, Congress passed and President Ronald Reagan signed legislation which apologized for the internment on behalf of the U.S. government. The legislation said that government actions were based on "race prejudice, war hysteria, and a failure of political leadership". The U.S. government eventually disbursed more than $1.6 billion in reparations to Japanese Americans who had been interned and their heirs.

When I've pondered the issue of whether there was sufficient justification i have never given any thought to the rationale given early on in this film, that if there'sd been an invasion the Govt. wanted to keep the Japanese safe and away from any fighting where well intentioned American men with rifle and shotguns and pistols and knives might mistakenly target the Americans of japanese heritage thinking they were invaders and double agents and such.

Might have saved a great many of them from overzealous American White boys with deadly weapons who didn't really care if Mr. Nisei (Pronounced "nee" "say") had an American birth certificate or not. Boys who subscribed to the belief that the only good Jap is a dead Jap!

Ni·sei (n-s, ns)
n. pl. Nisei or Ni·seis
A person born to parents who emigrated from Japan.

So, once again we see that it's important that, whenever possible, we always consider at least one other point of view when coming to a conclusion about a thing.

Is there any credence to the idea presented by the film that relocation of the Japanese Americans was to keep them safe if a japanese invasion took place on the West Coast?

I don't believe for a second that it was to keep the Japanese safe at all. We still allowed them to enlist and fight for us.

 

[Mojo2]

Is there any credence to the idea presented by the film that relocation of the Japanese Americans was to keep them safe if a japanese invasion took place on the West Coast?

There is NO excuse of that scumbag FDR's concentration camps. Why weren't all Americans of German or Italian ancestry removed from the East Coast "to keep them safe"? Never in American history has a worse villain occupied the office of President of the United States.

You are a shallow thinker. One who doesn't bother to use Google or the power of the instrument in his hands.

(No, not THAT instrument!)

Why was the US Govt. concerned enough about removing Japanese Americans and American Japanese from the West Coast but not italians and Germans from the East Coast?

Because japan had nothing stopping them from invading had they launched an invasion.

Whereas, in the Atlantic the British had to be conquered before a German/Italian invasion force could reach the US East Coast.

And why does a typical Islamic poster come out so strongly against internment camps?

Because they know it would make their goals much more difficult to accomplish in the US if, one day, the US govt. decided to intern them.

In fact, watch as this thread draws more and more typically loyal Muslim posters to it.

 

[Againsheila]

Even before Pearl Harbor there was a great deal of hatred of the Japanese on the West coast, and particularly towards successful Japanese-Americans. After Pearl Harbor fear was added to the hate. Hard for us, today to imagine the fear that was to be found on the West coast after Pearl Harbor.
The commander of the corp area was also a highly prejudiced individual and he recommended the evacuation, as did many organizations like like the DGW and California fruit growers and so forth. FDR backed up the general.
A lot of wrong moves were made at the time and the evacuation was one. A book or two could be written just about the wrong moves made during WWII but most wrongs were made with good intentions, and most we don't know about.

Bainbridge Island was one of the first places they came for the Japanese people in America. The rest of the Islanders, including the editor for the local newspaper didn't agree with the idea. Still the Japanese didn't fight it, because they went peacefully, the rest of the Japanese that were relocated were treated with more respect. Meanwhile on Bainbridge more than one Japanese family was able to keep their farms because their neighbors kept them up while they were gone.

BTW the Japanese only fired at one fort on the pacific coast. Fort Stevens in Oregon. They were so far out to sea that their bombs failed to reach the Fort and the Fort didn't fire back.

 

[Mojo2]

U.S. Govt Film Depicts WWII Japanese Internment Differently Than You Were Taught

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6gSShuQCUE

Published on Sep 2, 2012
United States Office Of War information film defending the World War II internment of Japanese American citizens.

The following information courtesy Japanese - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia...
Japanese-American internment was the relocation and internment by the United States government in 1942 of about 110,000 Japanese Americans and Japanese who lived along the Pacific coast of the United States to camps called "War Relocation Camps," in the wake of Imperial Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor. The internment of Japanese Americans was applied unequally throughout the United States. All who lived on the West Coast of the United States were interned, while in Hawaii, where the 150,000-plus Japanese Americans composed over one-third of the population, an estimated 1,200 to 1,800 were interned. Of those interned, 62% were American citizens.

President Franklin D. Roosevelt authorized the internment with Executive Order 9066, issued February 19, 1942, which allowed local military commanders to designate "military areas" as "exclusion zones," from which "any or all persons may be excluded." This power was used to declare that all people of Japanese ancestry were excluded from the entire Pacific coast, including all of California and much of Oregon, Washington and Arizona, except for those in internment camps. In 1944, the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the exclusion orders, while noting that the provisions that singled out people of Japanese ancestry were a separate issue outside the scope of the proceedings. The United States Census Bureau assisted the internment efforts by providing confidential neighborhood information on Japanese Americans. The Bureau's role was denied for decades, but was finally proven in 2007.

In 1988, Congress passed and President Ronald Reagan signed legislation which apologized for the internment on behalf of the U.S. government. The legislation said that government actions were based on "race prejudice, war hysteria, and a failure of political leadership". The U.S. government eventually disbursed more than $1.6 billion in reparations to Japanese Americans who had been interned and their heirs.

When I've pondered the issue of whether there was sufficient justification i have never given any thought to the rationale given early on in this film, that if there'sd been an invasion the Govt. wanted to keep the Japanese safe and away from any fighting where well intentioned American men with rifle and shotguns and pistols and knives might mistakenly target the Americans of japanese heritage thinking they were invaders and double agents and such.

Might have saved a great many of them from overzealous American White boys with deadly weapons who didn't really care if Mr. Nisei (Pronounced "nee" "say") had an American birth certificate or not. Boys who subscribed to the belief that the only good Jap is a dead Jap!

Ni·sei (n-s, ns)
n. pl. Nisei or Ni·seis
A person born to parents who emigrated from Japan.

So, once again we see that it's important that, whenever possible, we always consider at least one other point of view when coming to a conclusion about a thing.

Is there any credence to the idea presented by the film that relocation of the Japanese Americans was to keep them safe if a japanese invasion took place on the West Coast?

I don't believe for a second that it was to keep the Japanese safe at all. We still allowed them to enlist and fight for us.

In EUROPE where their facial appearance didn't make them look so much like the enemy.

 

[Unkotare]

I don't believe for a second that it was to keep the Japanese safe at all. We still allowed them to enlist and fight for us.

And fight they did, with extraordinary valor.

"The 442nd Regimental Combat Team was the most decorated unit for its size and length of service, in the entire history of the U.S. Military. The 4,000 men who initially came in April 1943 had to be replaced nearly 3.5 times. In total, about 14,000 men served, ultimately earning 9,486 Purple Hearts , 21 Medals of Honor and an unprecedented eight Presidential Unit Citations."

Go For Broke National Education Center - Preserving the Legacy of the Japanese American Veterans of World War II

 

[JakeStarkey]

The President had to make a tough decision. But, he put the welfare of the nation ahead of the welfare of the smaller numbers of American .....

That's not how it works. FDR wiped his ass with the US Constitution and should be remembered for the scumbag that he was. No wonder obama admires him so.

In wartime, that is exactly how the Constitution works.

You don't like it. Tough.

 

[Unkotare]

In EUROPE where their facial appearance didn't make them look so much like the enemy.

More than a few served in the Pacific theater, as translators and interpreters among other roles.

 

[Unkotare]

In EUROPE where their facial appearance didn't make them look so much like the enemy.

Did all the 'white' people in America "look so much like the enemy"? There were a hell of a lot more Americans of German or Italian ancestry in the country at the time. A hell of a lot more. Were 'white' Americans kept from fighting in Europe because they looked too much like the enemy? Stupid.

 

[Mojo2]

Even before Pearl Harbor there was a great deal of hatred of the Japanese on the West coast, and particularly towards successful Japanese-Americans. After Pearl Harbor fear was added to the hate. Hard for us, today to imagine the fear that was to be found on the West coast after Pearl Harbor.
The commander of the corp area was also a highly prejudiced individual and he recommended the evacuation, as did many organizations like like the DGW and California fruit growers and so forth. FDR backed up the general.
A lot of wrong moves were made at the time and the evacuation was one. A book or two could be written just about the wrong moves made during WWII but most wrongs were made with good intentions, and most we don't know about.

Bainbridge Island was one of the first places they came for the Japanese people in America. The rest of the Islanders, including the editor for the local newspaper didn't agree with the idea. Still the Japanese didn't fight it, because they went peacefully, the rest of the Japanese that were relocated were treated with more respect. Meanwhile on Bainbridge more than one Japanese family was able to keep their farms because their neighbors kept them up while they were gone.

BTW the Japanese only fired at one fort on the pacific coast. Fort Stevens in Oregon. They were so far out to sea that their bombs failed to reach the Fort and the Fort didn't fire back.

There were the Balloon Bombs, which weren't at all publicized when they started a few isolated fires here, and thus, came to little.

Then, there was a strange situation in Los Angeles.

Battle of Los Angeles
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For other uses, see Battle of Los Angeles (disambiguation).
Battle of Los Angeles
Battle of Los Angeles LATimes.jpg
Photo appearing in Los Angeles Times, 26 February 1942.
Date February 24–25, 1942
Location Los Angeles, California, United States
Deaths 5
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American Theater

The Battle of Los Angeles, also known as The Great Los Angeles Air Raid, is the name given by contemporary sources to the rumored enemy attack and subsequent anti-aircraft artillery barrage which took place from late 24 February to early 25 February 1942 over Los Angeles, California.[1][2] The incident occurred less than three months after the United States entered World War II as a result of the Japanese Imperial Navy's attack on Pearl Harbor, and one day after the Bombardment of Ellwood on 23 February.

Initially, the target of the aerial barrage was thought to be an attacking force from Japan, but speaking at a press conference shortly afterward, Secretary of the Navy Frank Knox called the incident a "false alarm." Newspapers of the time published a number of reports and speculations of a cover-up. Some modern-day UFOlogists have suggested the targets were extraterrestrial spacecraft.[3] When documenting the incident in 1983, the U.S. Office of Air Force History attributed the event to a case of "war nerves" likely triggered by a lost weather balloon and exacerbated by stray flares and shell bursts from adjoining batteries.

Battle of Los Angeles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Bombardment of Ellwood during World War II was a naval attack by a Japanese submarine against United States coastal targets near Santa Barbara, California. Though damage was minimal, the event was key in triggering the West Coast invasion scare and influenced the decision to intern Japanese-Americans. The event also marked the first shelling of the North American mainland during the conflict.

Battle of Los Angeles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"...the event was key in triggering the West Coast invasion scare and influenced the decision to intern Japanese-Americans."

 

[legaleagle_45]

Is there any credence to the idea presented by the film that relocation of the Japanese Americans was to keep them safe if a Japanese invasion took place on the West Coast?

No knowledgeable person of the era would have believed it credible that the Japanese could invade the West Coast. Logistically it was impossible for the them to accomplish such an invasion and anyone with even a remote knowledge of military issues was aware of this.

Sabotage and similar activities were the only real concern that held a modicum of merit, but the risk was relatively small. The Black Dragon secret society was a highly nationalistic Japanese organization which was a foundation for espionage, sabotage and assassination in other counties and there were Black Dragon operatives active in the USA. In 1942, FBI agents arrested members of the Black Dragon Society in the San Joaquin Valley, California.

The primary reason was xenophobia and racism. Ironically, one of the primary proponents of the interment was the Governor of California at the time. He twisted FDR's arm to get this done. He later became famous as Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court... Earl Warren best known for tearing down segregation starting with his opinion in Brown vs Board of Education and also known as the head of the Warren Commission which investigated the assassination of JFK.

 

[Unkotare]

Even in the face of "wartime hysteria," some American politicians retained their principles and an understanding of what the United States of America is and stands for.

Ralph Carr: Defender of Japanese Americans | Colorado Virtual Library

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[Mojo2]

In EUROPE where their facial appearance didn't make them look so much like the enemy.

Did all the 'white' people in America "look so much like the enemy"? There were a hell of a lot more Americans of German or Italian ancestry in the country at the time. A hell of a lot more. Were 'white' Americans kept from fighting in Europe because they looked too much like the enemy? Stupid.

Yeah? Well, who won?

That's all that matters, isn't it?

Ain't that what the Koran advises?

By any means necessary.

Right?

 

[regent]

U.S. Govt Film Depicts WWII Japanese Internment Differently Than You Were Taught

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6gSShuQCUE

Published on Sep 2, 2012
United States Office Of War information film defending the World War II internment of Japanese American citizens.

The following information courtesy Japanese - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia...
Japanese-American internment was the relocation and internment by the United States government in 1942 of about 110,000 Japanese Americans and Japanese who lived along the Pacific coast of the United States to camps called "War Relocation Camps," in the wake of Imperial Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor. The internment of Japanese Americans was applied unequally throughout the United States. All who lived on the West Coast of the United States were interned, while in Hawaii, where the 150,000-plus Japanese Americans composed over one-third of the population, an estimated 1,200 to 1,800 were interned. Of those interned, 62% were American citizens.

President Franklin D. Roosevelt authorized the internment with Executive Order 9066, issued February 19, 1942, which allowed local military commanders to designate "military areas" as "exclusion zones," from which "any or all persons may be excluded." This power was used to declare that all people of Japanese ancestry were excluded from the entire Pacific coast, including all of California and much of Oregon, Washington and Arizona, except for those in internment camps. In 1944, the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of the exclusion orders, while noting that the provisions that singled out people of Japanese ancestry were a separate issue outside the scope of the proceedings. The United States Census Bureau assisted the internment efforts by providing confidential neighborhood information on Japanese Americans. The Bureau's role was denied for decades, but was finally proven in 2007.

In 1988, Congress passed and President Ronald Reagan signed legislation which apologized for the internment on behalf of the U.S. government. The legislation said that government actions were based on "race prejudice, war hysteria, and a failure of political leadership". The U.S. government eventually disbursed more than $1.6 billion in reparations to Japanese Americans who had been interned and their heirs.

When I've pondered the issue of whether there was sufficient justification i have never given any thought to the rationale given early on in this film, that if there'sd been an invasion the Govt. wanted to keep the Japanese safe and away from any fighting where well intentioned American men with rifle and shotguns and pistols and knives might mistakenly target the Americans of japanese heritage thinking they were invaders and double agents and such.

Might have saved a great many of them from overzealous American White boys with deadly weapons who didn't really care if Mr. Nisei (Pronounced "nee" "say") had an American birth certificate or not. Boys who subscribed to the belief that the only good Jap is a dead Jap!

Ni·sei (n-s, ns)
n. pl. Nisei or Ni·seis
A person born to parents who emigrated from Japan.

So, once again we see that it's important that, whenever possible, we always consider at least one other point of view when coming to a conclusion about a thing.

Is there any credence to the idea presented by the film that relocation of the Japanese Americans was to keep them safe if a japanese invasion took place on the West Coast?

I don't believe for a second that it was to keep the Japanese safe at all. We still allowed them to enlist and fight for us.

There was a real danger to Japanese/Americans on the coast, feelings were high against anyone that looked Asian. In fact, instructions were given on how to tell Japanese from Chinese or other Asians, as I remember one characteristic to check was the individual's toes. Even Zoot-suiters got into trouble with the military in LA, and I think the film "1941"
made some of that abnormal fear into a comedy, but at the time it was no comedy. I think many of the Japanese/Americans of that period understood the fear better than we do today.

 

[Unkotare]

In EUROPE where their facial appearance didn't make them look so much like the enemy.

Did all the 'white' people in America "look so much like the enemy"? There were a hell of a lot more Americans of German or Italian ancestry in the country at the time. A hell of a lot more. Were 'white' Americans kept from fighting in Europe because they looked too much like the enemy? Stupid.

Yeah? Well, who won?

That's all that matters, isn't it?

Ain't that what the Koran advises?

By any means necessary.

Right?

What the hell are you talking about? What does the Quran have to do with this topic? Are you trying to derail the thread? For what reason?