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I don't know how she, or you is using the word. I try to stick with the IHRA definition and application until I get a better one.You mean to avoid using it incorrectly? If that's a concern then tell me how do you avoid using "antisemite" incorrectly? Does Lisa558 concur? should she concur? do you care either way?
Poor rumphole, you are a failure at everything.Your ultrasemitism is so deeply entrenched that logic and reason have no meaning for you, they are just inconveniences.
If a Jew can call Israel "Jew supremacist" and the government as a "Zionist regime" then so can I. I have no less rights to say such things than has Noam Chomsky, or Norman Finkelstein and many many other Jews.
I agree with that.Can we agree that "Zion" and its derivatives refers to Israel and that "Semitic" and its derivatives refers to Jewish people?
And those Jews, through an application of a standard definition of the term (like the IHRA definition) are then using anti-semitic language also. Being Jewish doesn't change the parameters of the definition.Your ultrasemitism is so deeply entrenched that logic and reason have no meaning for you, they are just inconveniences.
If a Jew can call Israel "Jew supremacist" and the government as a "Zionist regime" then so can I. I have no less rights to say such things than has Noam Chomsky, or Norman Finkelstein and many many other Jews.
But there's no post proving your accusation true is there, that's the problem with lies.Idiot. He didn’t merely criticize Israel. He called it a Jew Supremacy state and that “we” should have another Third Reich to wipe Isrsel off the map.
You are quite sickening woman, there's no post anywhere in this form where I expressed praise for Adolf Hitler.HAMAS just murdered six Jewish hostages, and the antisemites are praising Hitler’s approach to the Jews.
There we are, extreme ultrasemitism, making up accusations of hatred and then using those lies to justify labelling me as "antisemitic".You’re the dumbest one of the forum. You are in no position to judge what is antisemitic, but I’ll give you a hint: when someone says we should bring back Hitler - and says so in the very day that Jew-hating terrorists just killed six more Jewish hostages - he’s an antisemite.
That definition though is inherently ultrasemitic, you should stop using it.I don't know how she, or you is using the word. I try to stick with the IHRA definition and application until I get a better one.
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What is antisemitism?
With the IHRA working definition of antisemitism, the IHRA built international consensus around an answer to the question, what does antisemitism mean?holocaustremembrance.com
What definition are you using?
It was a Nationalist German State that cruelly and systematically exterminated six million Jews, perhaps you've not heard of the holocaust?
It is not possible to wipe a country with nuclear weapons off the face of the planet! So stop acting like it can happen!Idiot. He didn’t merely criticize Israel. He called it a Jew Supremacy state and that “we” should have another Third Reich to wipe Isrsel off the map.
HAMAS just murdered six Jewish hostages, and the antisemites are praising Hitler’s approach to the Jews.
You’re the dumbest one of the forum. You are in no position to judge what is antisemitic, but I’ll give you a hint: when someone says we should bring back Hitler - and says so in the very day that Jew-hating terrorists just killed six more Jewish hostages - he’s an antisemite.
Ask to see the post where she believes I said such things, she's ignoring me when I ask. This is a core feature of the ultrasemite, the distortion of a person's words in order to create a pretext for calling them an antisemite - their freedom to insult is more important than the facts.It is not possible to wipe a country with nuclear weapons off the face of the planet! So stop acting like it can happen!
You referred to Israel not only as the “Zionist Regime,” but as the “Jew Supremacist state” - and then suggested we have another Third Reich.
Nobody but a stark-raving antisemite would refer to Israel that way. You don’t get to smear Israel with phrases like that and then feign righteous indignation when you’re called out on your Jew hate.
But that is not true! I have condemned a lot more Muslim terrorists than you have Israeli actions.Also….the fact that you focus on Isrsel’s so-called atrocities without a WORD about the true atrocities committed by the Muslim terrorists is the double standard that “outs” you as an antisemite.
See, that's the problem. You haven't presented any other definition and have decided that you don't like the one I suggested. So you still lack any definition by which one can assess a sample statement.That definition though is inherently ultrasemitic, you should stop using it.
My criticism is with the Israeli right. Not the Israeli left and certainly not with Jews. I could care less what name people call God. Jews are not the problem. The Israeli right, is a different subject.Ask to see the post where she believes I said such things, she's ignoring me when I ask. This is a core feature of the ultrasemite, the distortion of a person's words in order to create a pretext for calling them an antisemite - their freedom to insult is more important than the facts.
See, that's the problem. You haven't presented any other definition and have decided that you don't like the one I suggested. So you still lack any definition by which one can assess a sample statement.
That's ultrasemitic, it seeks to legitimize any racism that might be present in Israeli policies by making it impossible to say that there's racism in Israeli policies. The definition implies that it is impossible for Israel to be a racist state. In fact it goes further and implies that the Jewish right to self determination includes the right for the state to enact racist practices.
- Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
That's ultrasemitic, seeks to imply that it's impossible for the state of Israel to adopt policies that have parallels in Nazi Germany's history.
- Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
I'm propose use of the term "ultrasemitism" to denote the unjustified abuse of falsely labelling a non-Jewish person of being an antisemite.
Jews who are ultrasemitic must be called out, exposed for everyone to see the levels to which they are willing to stop in order to discredit critics of Jewish state nationalism as it operates in Israel.
There's been lots of ultrasemitic posting in this form and I'd venture to wager these far outnumber the number of genuinely antisemitic posts of which I've seen no examples frankly.
I've seen none, that's what I said:Direct me to some of the posts you believe are "genuinely antisemitic".
...far outnumber the number of genuinely antisemitic posts of which I've seen no examples frankly.
Another one for the Bear Jew. That guy sure gets a lot of business.
no, it isn't. See how easy it is to say that?The IHRA definition is ultrasemitic:
Then you misunderstand the definition. This isn't about whether there is any racism in policies, but whether the idea of the state is a racist endeavor. If you don't understand that distinction then maybe a discussion is beyond you.That's ultrasemitic, it seeks to legitimize any racism that might be present in Israeli policies by making it impossible to say that there's racism in Israeli policies. The definition implies that it is impossible for Israel to be a racist state.
No, using the ideas from Nazism as a template against which to compare specifically Israeli policies is anti-semitic for a few different reasons (not the least of which is the trivializing of the Holocaust).That's ultrasemitic, seeks to imply that it's impossible for the state of Israel to adopt policies that have parallels in Nazi Germany's history.
Sorry but you can't hide behind your own limited understanding and try to label the world through the lens of wilfull ignorance.These things are far from impossible though and so why prevent people from speaking of them if they witness them? what good is served by protecting a government from criticism?
How could a person speak of them if they were true? if Israel was a racist endeavor or if Israel did parallel certain aspects of Nazism, how would one talk about this?
Sorry rosends you can't fool all of the people all of the time, your world is like a Kafka novel.
Not as easy as it is here to say "You're an antisemite".no, it isn't. See how easy it is to say that?
What if the state of Israel was or became a racist endeavor? how could I draw attention to that without embracing antisemitism?Then you misunderstand the definition. This isn't about whether there is any racism in policies, but whether the idea of the state is a racist endeavor. If you don't understand that distinction then maybe a discussion is beyond you.
What if the state of Israel enacted policies that had once operated under the Nazis, if one witnessed that was happening, then why shy away from comparing it to the Nazis? Zionists compare Hamas to the Nazis all the time not only is that ludicrous (and itself a form of holocaust denial) it seems to imply that Zionists be granted privileges not afforded to non-Zionists? (which lets face it is a decent definition of Zionist!)No, using the ideas from Nazism as a template against which to compare specifically Israeli policies is anti-semitic for a few different reasons (not the least of which is the trivializing of the Holocaust).