Universal Basic Income: Biden's Best Bet?

[danielpalos]

Almost everyone's aware of Alaska's Permanent Fund:

"...The program began in 1976 after the discovery of oil on Alaska’s North Slope.

"The then-governor, a renegade Republican named Jay Hammond, concluded that this windfall was too good to just give to the oil companies.

"So he devised the program to share the revenue with Alaska residents...."

"OK, here’s the idea for President-elect Biden:

"Bring 20 of the Trumpiest-looking Alaskans to a press conference.

"Unveil a plan whereby every man, woman, and child gets a $1,000 check every month from the government.

"Finance it with taxes on large wealth, fossil fuels, financial transactions, and intellectual property resulting from taxpayer-funded public research.

"Invite the Alaskans to describe the joy of getting their checks: no middleman, no means tests, no government forms to fill out—just free money as everyone’s share of the American commons.

"Dare Mitch McConnell to oppose it."

A Big, Simple, Winning Issue for Biden

The "American commons" are the cultural and natural resources accessible to all members of society. In a time when the privileged few expand their vast fortunes despite a global pandemic and recession, it seems fitting to socialize the profits and privatize the losses.

Does anyone believe "Delaware Joe" will turn on his corporate benefactors?

What if someone doesnt want to work, but still wants the basic income? Why should other people work then?

They want to give free college, but why go to college if you get a basic income, sounds like a waste of time to get educated for nothing.....

Greed is good for some; we have a Commerce Clause; some people may not want be Poor under our form of Capitalism.

A lot of people don’t want to be fat or ugly. Yet here you are. Do we run a nation on your not wanting to be what you are?

I could be more greedy and work on Wallstreet to be able to afford cosmetic surgery.

There’s nothing more greedy than wanting something from someone else’s work. And nothing more vile than wanting the government to steal it for you.

Not the left wing's fault the right wing has no fine capital solutions only Hoax. Capitalism, what is That sayeth the Right Wing in all threads but socialism threads.

I’m not sure exactly WTF you’re saying here. Have you lost your train of thought? Or are you just out of ways to say you aren’t a piece of shit for being a thief and a worthless sack of shit?

Says a Right Winger with no fine capital solutions at lower cost. Capitalism, what is That sayeth the right wing when not in socialism threads. How worthless is that under our form of Capitalism.

 

[danielpalos]

They want to give free college, but why go to college if you get a basic income, sounds like a waste of time to get educated for nothing.....

I don't think many Americans would be content to live on their UBI stipend. Such a supplement might prevent a few medical bankruptcies, but I doubt if it produces a new US leisure class.

As far as education's concerned, understanding the world you live in has a value that far exceeds how much money you can exchange for your daily toil.

I believe we should solve simple poverty by solving for the deleterious effects of Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment with unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed in an at-will employment State. How much more market friendly can it get, with automatic stabilization of our economy?

Will you for once be honest and accurate with your language and state that you think we can solve poverty with welfare for people who don't want to provide for themselves? That's what you really mean when say dumb things like "simply being unemployed in an at-will employment State". You know that covers those who can work and who have available jobs but refuse to work. They are poor through their own choices and can take steps to become self-sufficient, but refuse to do so. Why should society perpetuate a negative set of actions by subsidizing them?

Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment regardless. And, providing for the general welfare means solving for simple poverty.

Are you going to stop saying that welfare is UC?

UC falls under providing for the general welfare; that is why You are confused, right winger.

No, it does not. UC provides temporary assistance to workers laid off from their jobs until they find another one. It's not welfare, it's not universal, it's not permanent. Tell you what, cite the SC decision that states it falls under general welfare.

That is providing for the general welfare with public policy. UC should be solving simple poverty on an at-will basis to help automatically stabilize our economy in modern capital times. And, even the federal government employs UC. Mediocre solutions based on unequal protection of the laws should be abolished.

 

[danielpalos]

Think of the opportunity cost of taking an additional 4 trillion out of the economy.

Where are we taking the $4 trillion from?

Would you sacrifice 4 trillion dollars from Wall Street speculators, FIRE sector shareholders, and the Pentagon in order to gain an equal amount of consumption and investment?

Monopoly Capital - Wikipedia

"Fourth, military spending does not compete with capitalist interests in the same way as civilian spending and through imperialism serves to enhance those interests.

"Therefore, military spending is able to expand to a degree civilian spending is not, providing an important outlet for surplus absorption."

The problem is we have no general warfare clause in our federal Constitution and we should be promoting the general welfare not the general warfare every time it comes up.

And, I agree to disagree that military spending is better than infrastructure spending as a Government means of production.

But we do have a Constitutional mandate for defense. You want to deny that one while taking to ridiculous extremes the welfare clause.

lol. Our Constitutional mandate for the general Welfare is first not second.

Irrelevant. The constitutional mandate for defense is as absolute as the welfare clause.

Yes, and our welfare clause is general not common.

Again, irrelevant. You want to take the one to extremes while ignoring the other.

A general power outranks a common power every time it comes up.

Which SC decision states that?

A literal understanding of English states that. We have our Ninth and Tenth Amendments for a reason. Government works for the People regardless of what Grover Cleveland believed.

 

[danielpalos]

Let's see if we can translate: You want wages to just continually rise, which is inflation because you're not doing anything to increase the value of the jobs

Productivity has also risen. Inflation happens regardless. The minimum wage should have kept up with inflation from Inception.

Does the burger flipper of today flip more burgers than the burger flipper of yesterday, or does he do about the same number? Does the floor sweeper sweep more floors today or about the same amount of square footage in a normal shift? Does the Wal-Mart greeter greet more people today than before? The productivity you're talking about is from automation. For example, you don't have thousands of men on an auto assembly line welding pieces together and turning bolts, you have a comparative handful monitoring machines that do a better job welding and putting on bolts. A worker has to learn new skills to operate the automated machines, which in turn means he doesn't get paid MW any more. So, since you brought it up, what MW jobs have seen increased productivity that would justify higher wages? Be specific.

Valuation just like the CEO is what matters.

What jobs? Be specific.

If the CEO gets compensated due to valuation why the difference for labor? Productivity has gone up.

The CEO is more responsible for productivity going up because he directs the company to invest in automation. Now, what MW jobs are driving higher productivity?

How much more work did that CEO do? Simply being responsible is not the same as being more productive.

 

[danielpalos]

Higher paid labor creates more in demand and generates more in tax revenue. A positive multiplier applies.

Higher paid labor creates greater employment costs which are addressed by raising consumer prices and eliminating jobs.

What ratio of employees can a given employer afford to disemploy before it affects productivity?

A person earning fifteen dollars an hour generates around nine times the federal income tax a person on the current federal minimum wage does now.

And how much Federal Income Tax does a person generate who's been laid off from his job, Daniel? Duh?

Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed generates tax revenue.

 

[georgephillip]

Raising the minimum wage should help; higher paid labor creates more in demand and generates more in federal income tax revenue.

Sixty years ago a single minimum wage job where I live paid enough to entirely support an independent lifestyle for a single adult. Today, a single minimum wage jobs puts you on the streets.
One chart that shows how much worse income inequality is in America than Europe

Raising the minimum wage to $15 by 2025 will restore bargaining power to workers during the recovery from the pandemic

"The 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom demanded a federal minimum wage that would, as economist Ellora Derenoncourt has observed, be the equivalent in inflation-adjusted terms of almost $15.00 an hour today.

"While organizing efforts such as the 'Fight for $15' have led to many minimum wage increases at the state and local levels, the current $7.25 federal minimum wage stands at less than half of that 57-year-old goal."

 

[georgephillip]

Joe won’t do that, though he should. He’s a neocon, but cons and libs don’t know it.

Joe has always run to the right of moderate Republicans since it was the only way he could get elected in Delaware. I think he will continue to disappoint most progressives and even a few conservatives, like Max Boot, who wrote the following last August:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...istration-its-an-ongoing-criminal-conspiracy/

"In the past, I would have argued for leaving Trump alone after he steps down so as to end our 'long national nightmare.'

"But I am now convinced that Trump’s wrongdoing is so pervasive and brazen that he must be prosecuted to uphold the rule of law and deter even greater lawbreaking by future presidents.

"If elected, Biden should appoint a special counsel of unimpeachable integrity — a widely respected former U.S. attorney or federal judge — with a wide-ranging mandate to investigate Trump and his administration."

 

[georgephillip]

I believe we should solve simple poverty by solving for the deleterious effects of Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment with unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed in an at-will employment State. How much more market friendly can it get, with automatic stabilization of our economy?

There's an old joke alleging the only thing worse than being exploited by capitalism is NOT being exploited by capitalism

MR Online | Notes on Marx’s “General Law of Capitalist Accumulation”

 

[Godboy]

Almost everyone's aware of Alaska's Permanent Fund:

"...The program began in 1976 after the discovery of oil on Alaska’s North Slope.

"The then-governor, a renegade Republican named Jay Hammond, concluded that this windfall was too good to just give to the oil companies.

"So he devised the program to share the revenue with Alaska residents...."

"OK, here’s the idea for President-elect Biden:

"Bring 20 of the Trumpiest-looking Alaskans to a press conference.

"Unveil a plan whereby every man, woman, and child gets a $1,000 check every month from the government.

"Finance it with taxes on large wealth, fossil fuels, financial transactions, and intellectual property resulting from taxpayer-funded public research.

"Invite the Alaskans to describe the joy of getting their checks: no middleman, no means tests, no government forms to fill out—just free money as everyone’s share of the American commons.

"Dare Mitch McConnell to oppose it."

A Big, Simple, Winning Issue for Biden

The "American commons" are the cultural and natural resources accessible to all members of society. In a time when the privileged few expand their vast fortunes despite a global pandemic and recession, it seems fitting to socialize the profits and privatize the losses.

Does anyone believe "Delaware Joe" will turn on his corporate benefactors?

In other words, you want the US to hand out $328,000,000,000,000 every month? Thats 4 trillion dollars annually. Are you fucking high?

 

[Godboy]

Almost everyone's aware of Alaska's Permanent Fund:

"...The program began in 1976 after the discovery of oil on Alaska’s North Slope.

"The then-governor, a renegade Republican named Jay Hammond, concluded that this windfall was too good to just give to the oil companies.

"So he devised the program to share the revenue with Alaska residents...."

"OK, here’s the idea for President-elect Biden:

"Bring 20 of the Trumpiest-looking Alaskans to a press conference.

"Unveil a plan whereby every man, woman, and child gets a $1,000 check every month from the government.

"Finance it with taxes on large wealth, fossil fuels, financial transactions, and intellectual property resulting from taxpayer-funded public research.

"Invite the Alaskans to describe the joy of getting their checks: no middleman, no means tests, no government forms to fill out—just free money as everyone’s share of the American commons.

"Dare Mitch McConnell to oppose it."

A Big, Simple, Winning Issue for Biden

The "American commons" are the cultural and natural resources accessible to all members of society. In a time when the privileged few expand their vast fortunes despite a global pandemic and recession, it seems fitting to socialize the profits and privatize the losses.

Does anyone believe "Delaware Joe" will turn on his corporate benefactors?

328 million Americans * $1,000/month = $328 billion/month.
$328 billion/month * 12 months = $3.9 trillion/year.

Fun times indeed. Where is the almost $4 trillion going to come from, Bill Gates?

That's McConnell's response that kills the whole thing.

Moscow Mitch wouldn't do it if it was $.05 a year.

He's scum who cares nothing for Americans.

Irrelevant. It's a stupid idea.

What's irrelevant about the senate majority leader not caring about the people he's supposed to be working for?

Anyone who supports handing out 4 trillion per year is irrelevant.

 

[Godboy]

Almost everyone's aware of Alaska's Permanent Fund:

"...The program began in 1976 after the discovery of oil on Alaska’s North Slope.

"The then-governor, a renegade Republican named Jay Hammond, concluded that this windfall was too good to just give to the oil companies.

"So he devised the program to share the revenue with Alaska residents...."

"OK, here’s the idea for President-elect Biden:

"Bring 20 of the Trumpiest-looking Alaskans to a press conference.

"Unveil a plan whereby every man, woman, and child gets a $1,000 check every month from the government.

"Finance it with taxes on large wealth, fossil fuels, financial transactions, and intellectual property resulting from taxpayer-funded public research.

"Invite the Alaskans to describe the joy of getting their checks: no middleman, no means tests, no government forms to fill out—just free money as everyone’s share of the American commons.

"Dare Mitch McConnell to oppose it."

A Big, Simple, Winning Issue for Biden

The "American commons" are the cultural and natural resources accessible to all members of society. In a time when the privileged few expand their vast fortunes despite a global pandemic and recession, it seems fitting to socialize the profits and privatize the losses.

Does anyone believe "Delaware Joe" will turn on his corporate benefactors?

328 million Americans * $1,000/month = $328 billion/month.
$328 billion/month * 12 months = $3.9 trillion/year.

Fun times indeed. Where is the almost $4 trillion going to come from, Bill Gates?

That's McConnell's response that kills the whole thing.

Moscow Mitch wouldn't do it if it was $.05 a year.

He's scum who cares nothing for Americans.

Irrelevant. It's a stupid idea.

What's irrelevant about the senate majority leader not caring about the people he's supposed to be working for?

its not his job to take care or provide for the people,,

Actually, as a senator, that precisely what his job is.

where can I find that in the constitution??

So, you are claiming that it's not a senators job to look after the best interests of his/her constituents?

What do you think their job is?

You said "PROVIDE" for them. That is not a senators job and it never will be.

 

[dblack]

Almost everyone's aware of Alaska's Permanent Fund:

"...The program began in 1976 after the discovery of oil on Alaska’s North Slope.

"The then-governor, a renegade Republican named Jay Hammond, concluded that this windfall was too good to just give to the oil companies.

"So he devised the program to share the revenue with Alaska residents...."

"OK, here’s the idea for President-elect Biden:

"Bring 20 of the Trumpiest-looking Alaskans to a press conference.

"Unveil a plan whereby every man, woman, and child gets a $1,000 check every month from the government.

"Finance it with taxes on large wealth, fossil fuels, financial transactions, and intellectual property resulting from taxpayer-funded public research.

"Invite the Alaskans to describe the joy of getting their checks: no middleman, no means tests, no government forms to fill out—just free money as everyone’s share of the American commons.

"Dare Mitch McConnell to oppose it."

A Big, Simple, Winning Issue for Biden

The "American commons" are the cultural and natural resources accessible to all members of society. In a time when the privileged few expand their vast fortunes despite a global pandemic and recession, it seems fitting to socialize the profits and privatize the losses.

Does anyone believe "Delaware Joe" will turn on his corporate benefactors?

328 million Americans * $1,000/month = $328 billion/month.
$328 billion/month * 12 months = $3.9 trillion/year.

Fun times indeed. Where is the almost $4 trillion going to come from, Bill Gates?

That's McConnell's response that kills the whole thing.

Moscow Mitch wouldn't do it if it was $.05 a year.

He's scum who cares nothing for Americans.

Irrelevant. It's a stupid idea.

What's irrelevant about the senate majority leader not caring about the people he's supposed to be working for?

its not his job to take care or provide for the people,,

Actually, as a senator, that precisely what his job is.

where can I find that in the constitution??

So, you are claiming that it's not a senators job to look after the best interests of his/her constituents?

What do you think their job is?

You said "PROVIDE" for them. That is not a senators job and it never will be.

Many people think it is, and that's the core problem.

 

[danielpalos]

I believe we should solve simple poverty by solving for the deleterious effects of Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment with unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed in an at-will employment State. How much more market friendly can it get, with automatic stabilization of our economy?

There's an old joke alleging the only thing worse than being exploited by capitalism is NOT being exploited by capitalism

MR Online | Notes on Marx’s “General Law of Capitalist Accumulation”

Free market capitalism and full employment of capital resources is the return on that promotion of the general welfare investment.

 

[danielpalos]

Almost everyone's aware of Alaska's Permanent Fund:

"...The program began in 1976 after the discovery of oil on Alaska’s North Slope.

"The then-governor, a renegade Republican named Jay Hammond, concluded that this windfall was too good to just give to the oil companies.

"So he devised the program to share the revenue with Alaska residents...."

"OK, here’s the idea for President-elect Biden:

"Bring 20 of the Trumpiest-looking Alaskans to a press conference.

"Unveil a plan whereby every man, woman, and child gets a $1,000 check every month from the government.

"Finance it with taxes on large wealth, fossil fuels, financial transactions, and intellectual property resulting from taxpayer-funded public research.

"Invite the Alaskans to describe the joy of getting their checks: no middleman, no means tests, no government forms to fill out—just free money as everyone’s share of the American commons.

"Dare Mitch McConnell to oppose it."

A Big, Simple, Winning Issue for Biden

The "American commons" are the cultural and natural resources accessible to all members of society. In a time when the privileged few expand their vast fortunes despite a global pandemic and recession, it seems fitting to socialize the profits and privatize the losses.

Does anyone believe "Delaware Joe" will turn on his corporate benefactors?

328 million Americans * $1,000/month = $328 billion/month.
$328 billion/month * 12 months = $3.9 trillion/year.

Fun times indeed. Where is the almost $4 trillion going to come from, Bill Gates?

That's McConnell's response that kills the whole thing.

Moscow Mitch wouldn't do it if it was $.05 a year.

He's scum who cares nothing for Americans.

Irrelevant. It's a stupid idea.

What's irrelevant about the senate majority leader not caring about the people he's supposed to be working for?

Anyone who supports handing out 4 trillion per year is irrelevant.

It depends on the public policy. Any such expenditure should be considered an investment in the general welfare and result in a multiplier of two or more on our economy as a return on that investment.

 

[danielpalos]

Almost everyone's aware of Alaska's Permanent Fund:

"...The program began in 1976 after the discovery of oil on Alaska’s North Slope.

"The then-governor, a renegade Republican named Jay Hammond, concluded that this windfall was too good to just give to the oil companies.

"So he devised the program to share the revenue with Alaska residents...."

"OK, here’s the idea for President-elect Biden:

"Bring 20 of the Trumpiest-looking Alaskans to a press conference.

"Unveil a plan whereby every man, woman, and child gets a $1,000 check every month from the government.

"Finance it with taxes on large wealth, fossil fuels, financial transactions, and intellectual property resulting from taxpayer-funded public research.

"Invite the Alaskans to describe the joy of getting their checks: no middleman, no means tests, no government forms to fill out—just free money as everyone’s share of the American commons.

"Dare Mitch McConnell to oppose it."

A Big, Simple, Winning Issue for Biden

The "American commons" are the cultural and natural resources accessible to all members of society. In a time when the privileged few expand their vast fortunes despite a global pandemic and recession, it seems fitting to socialize the profits and privatize the losses.

Does anyone believe "Delaware Joe" will turn on his corporate benefactors?

328 million Americans * $1,000/month = $328 billion/month.
$328 billion/month * 12 months = $3.9 trillion/year.

Fun times indeed. Where is the almost $4 trillion going to come from, Bill Gates?

That's McConnell's response that kills the whole thing.

Moscow Mitch wouldn't do it if it was $.05 a year.

He's scum who cares nothing for Americans.

Irrelevant. It's a stupid idea.

What's irrelevant about the senate majority leader not caring about the people he's supposed to be working for?

its not his job to take care or provide for the people,,

Actually, as a senator, that precisely what his job is.

where can I find that in the constitution??

So, you are claiming that it's not a senators job to look after the best interests of his/her constituents?

What do you think their job is?

You said "PROVIDE" for them. That is not a senators job and it never will be.

Many people think it is, and that's the core problem.

Provide for the general welfare is in our Constitution.

 

[dblack]

Almost everyone's aware of Alaska's Permanent Fund:

"...The program began in 1976 after the discovery of oil on Alaska’s North Slope.

"The then-governor, a renegade Republican named Jay Hammond, concluded that this windfall was too good to just give to the oil companies.

"So he devised the program to share the revenue with Alaska residents...."

"OK, here’s the idea for President-elect Biden:

"Bring 20 of the Trumpiest-looking Alaskans to a press conference.

"Unveil a plan whereby every man, woman, and child gets a $1,000 check every month from the government.

"Finance it with taxes on large wealth, fossil fuels, financial transactions, and intellectual property resulting from taxpayer-funded public research.

"Invite the Alaskans to describe the joy of getting their checks: no middleman, no means tests, no government forms to fill out—just free money as everyone’s share of the American commons.

"Dare Mitch McConnell to oppose it."

A Big, Simple, Winning Issue for Biden

The "American commons" are the cultural and natural resources accessible to all members of society. In a time when the privileged few expand their vast fortunes despite a global pandemic and recession, it seems fitting to socialize the profits and privatize the losses.

Does anyone believe "Delaware Joe" will turn on his corporate benefactors?

328 million Americans * $1,000/month = $328 billion/month.
$328 billion/month * 12 months = $3.9 trillion/year.

Fun times indeed. Where is the almost $4 trillion going to come from, Bill Gates?

That's McConnell's response that kills the whole thing.

Moscow Mitch wouldn't do it if it was $.05 a year.

He's scum who cares nothing for Americans.

Irrelevant. It's a stupid idea.

What's irrelevant about the senate majority leader not caring about the people he's supposed to be working for?

its not his job to take care or provide for the people,,

Actually, as a senator, that precisely what his job is.

where can I find that in the constitution??

So, you are claiming that it's not a senators job to look after the best interests of his/her constituents?

What do you think their job is?

You said "PROVIDE" for them. That is not a senators job and it never will be.

Many people think it is, and that's the core problem.

Provide for the general welfare is in our Constitution.

Oh, more daniel poetry. Take another hit dood!

 

[Godboy]

Almost everyone's aware of Alaska's Permanent Fund:

"...The program began in 1976 after the discovery of oil on Alaska’s North Slope.

"The then-governor, a renegade Republican named Jay Hammond, concluded that this windfall was too good to just give to the oil companies.

"So he devised the program to share the revenue with Alaska residents...."

"OK, here’s the idea for President-elect Biden:

"Bring 20 of the Trumpiest-looking Alaskans to a press conference.

"Unveil a plan whereby every man, woman, and child gets a $1,000 check every month from the government.

"Finance it with taxes on large wealth, fossil fuels, financial transactions, and intellectual property resulting from taxpayer-funded public research.

"Invite the Alaskans to describe the joy of getting their checks: no middleman, no means tests, no government forms to fill out—just free money as everyone’s share of the American commons.

"Dare Mitch McConnell to oppose it."

A Big, Simple, Winning Issue for Biden

The "American commons" are the cultural and natural resources accessible to all members of society. In a time when the privileged few expand their vast fortunes despite a global pandemic and recession, it seems fitting to socialize the profits and privatize the losses.

Does anyone believe "Delaware Joe" will turn on his corporate benefactors?

328 million Americans * $1,000/month = $328 billion/month.
$328 billion/month * 12 months = $3.9 trillion/year.

Fun times indeed. Where is the almost $4 trillion going to come from, Bill Gates?

That's McConnell's response that kills the whole thing.

Moscow Mitch wouldn't do it if it was $.05 a year.

He's scum who cares nothing for Americans.

Irrelevant. It's a stupid idea.

What's irrelevant about the senate majority leader not caring about the people he's supposed to be working for?

Anyone who supports handing out 4 trillion per year is irrelevant.

It depends on the public policy. Any such expenditure should be considered an investment in the general welfare and result in a multiplier of two or more on our economy as a return on that investment.

Investments are meant to make money; not guaruntee bankruptcy. Youre fucking crazy if you think handing out 4 trillion per year is a good idea.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Let's see if we can translate: You want wages to just continually rise, which is inflation because you're not doing anything to increase the value of the jobs

Productivity has also risen. Inflation happens regardless. The minimum wage should have kept up with inflation from Inception.

Does the burger flipper of today flip more burgers than the burger flipper of yesterday, or does he do about the same number? Does the floor sweeper sweep more floors today or about the same amount of square footage in a normal shift? Does the Wal-Mart greeter greet more people today than before? The productivity you're talking about is from automation. For example, you don't have thousands of men on an auto assembly line welding pieces together and turning bolts, you have a comparative handful monitoring machines that do a better job welding and putting on bolts. A worker has to learn new skills to operate the automated machines, which in turn means he doesn't get paid MW any more. So, since you brought it up, what MW jobs have seen increased productivity that would justify higher wages? Be specific.

Valuation just like the CEO is what matters.

What jobs? Be specific.

If the CEO gets compensated due to valuation why the difference for labor? Productivity has gone up.

The CEO is more responsible for productivity going up because he directs the company to invest in automation. Now, what MW jobs are driving higher productivity?

How much more work did that CEO do? Simply being responsible is not the same as being more productive.

Put out the capitol investment..

 

[Orangecat]

Unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed generates tax revenue.

More tax revenue than it costs?
For every $100 taken from the government for unemployment, how many dollars are returned in tax revenue? Maybe 10-20%?
To those of us who know math, that's an 80-90% loss.
If you have no clue how math works, just leave one of your calling cards; a laughing idiot emoticon or a word salad response about general warfare.

 

[hadit]

They want to give free college, but why go to college if you get a basic income, sounds like a waste of time to get educated for nothing.....

I don't think many Americans would be content to live on their UBI stipend. Such a supplement might prevent a few medical bankruptcies, but I doubt if it produces a new US leisure class.

As far as education's concerned, understanding the world you live in has a value that far exceeds how much money you can exchange for your daily toil.

I believe we should solve simple poverty by solving for the deleterious effects of Capitalism's natural rate of unemployment with unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed in an at-will employment State. How much more market friendly can it get, with automatic stabilization of our economy?

Will you for once be honest and accurate with your language and state that you think we can solve poverty with welfare for people who don't want to provide for themselves? That's what you really mean when say dumb things like "simply being unemployed in an at-will employment State". You know that covers those who can work and who have available jobs but refuse to work. They are poor through their own choices and can take steps to become self-sufficient, but refuse to do so. Why should society perpetuate a negative set of actions by subsidizing them?

Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment regardless. And, providing for the general welfare means solving for simple poverty.

Are you going to stop saying that welfare is UC?

UC falls under providing for the general welfare; that is why You are confused, right winger.

No, it does not. UC provides temporary assistance to workers laid off from their jobs until they find another one. It's not welfare, it's not universal, it's not permanent. Tell you what, cite the SC decision that states it falls under general welfare.

That is providing for the general welfare with public policy. UC should be solving simple poverty on an at-will basis to help automatically stabilize our economy in modern capital times. And, even the federal government employs UC. Mediocre solutions based on unequal protection of the laws should be abolished.

You are, again, completely wrong. UC was never intended to solve simple poverty. It was, and is, a measure to provide workers who have been laid off some assistance until they find another job. Now, listen very carefully, because what I'm about to tell you will totally destroy your favorite sacred cow if you have any integrity at all.

Who pays for UC? Not the taxpayers, not the government. EMPLOYERS pay into Unemployment Insurance, which then pays workers who are laid off. It is NOT a welfare plan, no matter how many times you stomp your feet and hold your breath. What you are talking about would be a whole brand NEW welfare benefit that is NOT unemployment compensation. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. You do not get to collect it because it has the word "unemployment" in its name and you don't want to work a job. You don't get to, so stop saying you should.