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Yes Harry I know. And how many innocent people are killed by drunk drivers every year? Everyone says not me! I can smoke pot and drive, I can drink and drive and we get dead innocent people. And if you guys think once legalized your doctors won't give it a try think again. Doctors as a group are huge abusers of drugs.it should be treated like you having a few drinks Willow.....its not wise or safe to drive or fly a plane or do brain surgery after smoking........I am trying to find out if pot is safe or not! Do you have an opinion?Do you feel the need to back me into a corner for a purpose?WH so it's not safe?Where did I say that?Why not? You said it's perfectly safe? Right?
so are they saying pot is no longer a problem?....now its heroin?...Teens are using stronger drugs. Pot doesn't do the trick for them anymore. They have moved on to cheap heroin laced with fentyal.it all depends on who does the surveys....there are theseWould you please post some empirical evidence that pot use among minors is down?No. It's a far safer alternative to alcohol, the economic boom to states that have legalized it have been huge, and marijuana use among minors is actually down.Gloom and doom. Fuck off.
They trash pot yet accept the multitude of alcohol problems and death...
Musta hit too close to home, heh?
You are on the side of the drug cartels for wanting to keep it illegal. That's pretty despicable.
Colorado's Teen Marijuana Usage Dips after Legalization
Pot Use Among Colorado Teens Appears to Drop After Legalization
Teen marijuana use falls as more states legalize
Legalized Medical Marijuana Doesn't Increase Teen Usage, Study Finds
and last but not least
High School and Youth Trends
and then these...
Study shows increased youth marijuana use in Colorado
Fed study says pot use by youth on rise in Colorado, leads nation – The Denver Post
Willow my view is that it should be decriminalized and treated like alcohol,BUT,penalties for driving while drunk or high,especially if an accident happens should be quite stiff...if you want to do these things fine,but with this comes responsibility, if you get behind the wheel while still "buzzed",then you reap what you sow.....Yes Harry I know. And how many innocent people are killed by drunk drivers every year? Everyone says not me! I can smoke pot and drive, I can drink and drive and we get dead innocent people. And if you guys think once legalized your doctors won't give it a try think again. Doctors as a group are huge abusers of drugs.it should be treated like you having a few drinks Willow.....its not wise or safe to drive or fly a plane or do brain surgery after smoking........I am trying to find out if pot is safe or not! Do you have an opinion?Do you feel the need to back me into a corner for a purpose?WH so it's not safe?Where did I say that?
Legalized pot harms the lower class the most...
Legalized pot is making America’s lower class poorer and less responsible
August 20, 2016 | Pot for the poor! That could be the new slogan of marijuana-legalization advocates.
In 1996, California became the first state to legalize the use of medical marijuana. There are now 25 states that permit the use of marijuana, including four as well as the District of Columbia that permit it for purely recreational use. Colorado and Washington were the first to pass those laws in 2012. At least five states have measures on the ballot this fall that would legalize recreational use. And that number is only likely to rise with an all-time high (no pun intended) of 58 percent of Americans (according to a Gallup poll last year) favoring legalization. The effects of these new laws have been immediate. One study, which collected data from 2011-12 and 2012-13 showed a 22 percent increase in monthly use in Colorado. The percentage of people there who used daily or almost daily also went up. So have marijuana-related driving fatalities. And so have incidents of children being hospitalized for accidentally ingesting edible marijuana products.
But legalization and our growing cultural acceptance of marijuana have disproportionately affected one group in particular: the lower class. A recent study by Steven Davenport of RAND and Jonathan Caulkins of Carnegie Mellon notes that “despite the popular stereotype of marijuana users as well-off and well-educated . . . they lag behind national averages” on both income and schooling. For instance, people who have a household income of less than $20,000 a year comprise 19 percent of the population but make up 28 percent of marijuana users. And even though those who earn more than $75,000 make up 33 percent of the population, 25 percent of them are marijuana users. Having more education also seems to make it less likely that you are a user. College graduates make up 27 percent of the population but only 19 percent of marijuana users.
The middle and upper classes have been the ones out there pushing for decriminalization and legalization measures, and they have also tried to demolish the cultural taboo against smoking pot. But they themselves have chosen not to partake very much. Which is not surprising. Middle-class men and women who have jobs and families know that this is not a habit they want to take up with any regularity because it will interfere with their ability to do their jobs and take care of their families. But the poor, who already have a hard time holding down jobs and taking care of their families, are more frequently using a drug that makes it harder for them to focus, to remember things and to behave responsibly. ‘ Legalization and our growing cultural acceptance of marijuana have disproportionately affected one group in particular: the lower class.’ The new study, which looked at use rates between 1992 and 2013, also found that the intensity of use had increased in this time. The proportion of users who smoke daily or near daily has increased from 1 in 9 to 1 in 3. As Davenport tells me, “This dispels the idea that the typical user is someone on weekends who has a casual habit.”
Sally Satel, a psychiatrist and lecturer at Yale, says “it is ironic that the people lobbying for liberalized marijuana access do not appear to be the group that is consuming the bulk of it.” Instead, it’s “daily and near-daily users, who are less educated, less affluent and less in control of their use.” In fact, the typical user is much more likely to be someone at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder, whose daily life is driven, at least in part, by the question of how and where to get more marijuana. Just consider the cost. Almost a third of users are spending a tenth of their income on marijuana. And 15 percent of users spend nearly a quarter of their income to purchase the drug. The poor have not only become the heaviest users, but their use is making them poorer. To all the middle-class professionals out there reading this: Do you know anyone who spends a quarter of their income on pot? Of course not. But these are the people our policies and attitudes are affecting.
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Pot smoke is worse for you than you thought
August 2, 2016 | Mellow music, chill vibes and an amazing array of snacks — even though stoners may be great company, they might be bad news for your health. And yes, that holds true even if you don’t inhale.
A new study from the University of California, San Francisco, found that just one minute of marijuana smoke impairs blood vessel function to the same extent as tobacco. However, the cardiovascular effects of pot smoke last three times longer. The study was performed on rats, which researchers say have arteries that function in a similar way to humans. When blood flow increases, arteries widen, a process known as flow-mediated dilation (FMD). While studies have previously been performed to determine the effects of second-hand tobacco smoke on FMD, this study was the first to study second-hand marijuana smoke in this way.
Both types of smoke compromise FMD, however, researchers discovered the effects can last up to 90 minutes after exposure in the case of marijuana smoke, while FMD returns to normal levels 30 minutes after tobacco smoke exposure. A reduced FMD increases the risk of heart attack, narrowing arteries and other heart issues.
While the harmful effects of secondhand tobacco smoke are well-documented, there is scant research on marijuana smoke due to its illicit nature, which requires approval from numerous federal agencies prior to experimentation. “At this point, we’re saying that inhaling any smoke is detrimental to your health,” says study author Matthew Springer, Ph.D., in statement. “I think that people should avoid inhaling smoke, whether it’s from tobacco or marijuana cigarettes, forest fires, barbecues — just avoid smoke. To be safe, it’s best to avoid Grateful Dead tribute bands, too.
http://nypost.com/2016/08/02/pot-smoke-is-worse-for-you-than-you-thought/
I have no comment to tender on anecdotes, of which there is countless. It's just like UFO and alien sightings, there's just not enough consensus among the many wild claims to draw scientific conclusions. That's why the scientific method is the only way to go, test and control groups in a controlled setting with observable results.so why dont you comment on what i said instead of saying something different than what we were talking about?...or maybe you cant?...I'm ignorantly going by science that I read rather that putting that filthy shit in my own lungs to see for myself the NIH is right. You got that right.when you see things happening yes it does matter.....and when a Med Center like UCI asks your wife to be part of a study,yes it does matter.....and your vaunted NIH will be paying attention to this study....like you said...you dont know anything about pot outside of what you read....Yes, your anecdote trumps the science that the NIH relies on for its policy decisions. I see that now. How can I have been so blind?my wife is an epileptic and pot does what none of those "wonder" drugs you talk about do....it stops the tremor in her right hand and decreases erratic electrical impulses in her brain.....if i hadnt moved she would be part of a study at UCI Med center right now.....so much for the bullshit you just said.....The NIH does and they don't go by pothead propaganda that so captivates you. They go by science. Pot is medically unnecessary and the federal government is right to continue to keep it as a controlled substance.
Going to jail and prison is voluntary.Legalized pot harms the lower class the most...
Legalized pot is making America’s lower class poorer and less responsible
August 20, 2016 | Pot for the poor! That could be the new slogan of marijuana-legalization advocates.
In 1996, California became the first state to legalize the use of medical marijuana. There are now 25 states that permit the use of marijuana, including four as well as the District of Columbia that permit it for purely recreational use. Colorado and Washington were the first to pass those laws in 2012. At least five states have measures on the ballot this fall that would legalize recreational use. And that number is only likely to rise with an all-time high (no pun intended) of 58 percent of Americans (according to a Gallup poll last year) favoring legalization. The effects of these new laws have been immediate. One study, which collected data from 2011-12 and 2012-13 showed a 22 percent increase in monthly use in Colorado. The percentage of people there who used daily or almost daily also went up. So have marijuana-related driving fatalities. And so have incidents of children being hospitalized for accidentally ingesting edible marijuana products.
But legalization and our growing cultural acceptance of marijuana have disproportionately affected one group in particular: the lower class. A recent study by Steven Davenport of RAND and Jonathan Caulkins of Carnegie Mellon notes that “despite the popular stereotype of marijuana users as well-off and well-educated . . . they lag behind national averages” on both income and schooling. For instance, people who have a household income of less than $20,000 a year comprise 19 percent of the population but make up 28 percent of marijuana users. And even though those who earn more than $75,000 make up 33 percent of the population, 25 percent of them are marijuana users. Having more education also seems to make it less likely that you are a user. College graduates make up 27 percent of the population but only 19 percent of marijuana users.
The middle and upper classes have been the ones out there pushing for decriminalization and legalization measures, and they have also tried to demolish the cultural taboo against smoking pot. But they themselves have chosen not to partake very much. Which is not surprising. Middle-class men and women who have jobs and families know that this is not a habit they want to take up with any regularity because it will interfere with their ability to do their jobs and take care of their families. But the poor, who already have a hard time holding down jobs and taking care of their families, are more frequently using a drug that makes it harder for them to focus, to remember things and to behave responsibly. ‘ Legalization and our growing cultural acceptance of marijuana have disproportionately affected one group in particular: the lower class.’ The new study, which looked at use rates between 1992 and 2013, also found that the intensity of use had increased in this time. The proportion of users who smoke daily or near daily has increased from 1 in 9 to 1 in 3. As Davenport tells me, “This dispels the idea that the typical user is someone on weekends who has a casual habit.”
Sally Satel, a psychiatrist and lecturer at Yale, says “it is ironic that the people lobbying for liberalized marijuana access do not appear to be the group that is consuming the bulk of it.” Instead, it’s “daily and near-daily users, who are less educated, less affluent and less in control of their use.” In fact, the typical user is much more likely to be someone at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder, whose daily life is driven, at least in part, by the question of how and where to get more marijuana. Just consider the cost. Almost a third of users are spending a tenth of their income on marijuana. And 15 percent of users spend nearly a quarter of their income to purchase the drug. The poor have not only become the heaviest users, but their use is making them poorer. To all the middle-class professionals out there reading this: Do you know anyone who spends a quarter of their income on pot? Of course not. But these are the people our policies and attitudes are affecting.
MORE
See also:
Pot smoke is worse for you than you thought
August 2, 2016 | Mellow music, chill vibes and an amazing array of snacks — even though stoners may be great company, they might be bad news for your health. And yes, that holds true even if you don’t inhale.
A new study from the University of California, San Francisco, found that just one minute of marijuana smoke impairs blood vessel function to the same extent as tobacco. However, the cardiovascular effects of pot smoke last three times longer. The study was performed on rats, which researchers say have arteries that function in a similar way to humans. When blood flow increases, arteries widen, a process known as flow-mediated dilation (FMD). While studies have previously been performed to determine the effects of second-hand tobacco smoke on FMD, this study was the first to study second-hand marijuana smoke in this way.
Both types of smoke compromise FMD, however, researchers discovered the effects can last up to 90 minutes after exposure in the case of marijuana smoke, while FMD returns to normal levels 30 minutes after tobacco smoke exposure. A reduced FMD increases the risk of heart attack, narrowing arteries and other heart issues.
While the harmful effects of secondhand tobacco smoke are well-documented, there is scant research on marijuana smoke due to its illicit nature, which requires approval from numerous federal agencies prior to experimentation. “At this point, we’re saying that inhaling any smoke is detrimental to your health,” says study author Matthew Springer, Ph.D., in statement. “I think that people should avoid inhaling smoke, whether it’s from tobacco or marijuana cigarettes, forest fires, barbecues — just avoid smoke. To be safe, it’s best to avoid Grateful Dead tribute bands, too.
http://nypost.com/2016/08/02/pot-smoke-is-worse-for-you-than-you-thought/
Illegal pot hurts "americas lower class" even more because the repubs use those people to fill up our jails & prisons.
Gloom and doom. Fuck off.
They trash pot yet accept the multitude of alcohol problems and death...
Musta hit too close to home, heh?...
... but then mebbe ya don't mind supportin' dem Mexican cartels...
... and all their violence, murder and mayhem
They trash pot yet accept the multitude of alcohol problems and death...
It's like the progressives want their drug of choice but want to restrict anyone else from theirs...They trash pot yet accept the multitude of alcohol problems and death...
It is legal to get drunk and ruin your liver, kidneys and brain cell but damn it all to hell you better not smoke that joint that might cause you to die with a damn smile on your face!
Pot lead to breaking up homes and thank the Lord booze has never done that nor has it ever killed anyone... ( Yes sarcasm )
If Pot should not be legal then Booze should have stayed illegal!
gee do you think thats what a lot of med research places want to do but cant because they refuse to take pot off of schedule 1 were it has no business being?...I have no comment to tender on anecdotes, of which there is countless. It's just like UFO and alien sightings, there's just not enough consensus among the many wild claims to draw scientific conclusions. That's why the scientific method is the only way to go, test and control groups in a controlled setting with observable results.so why dont you comment on what i said instead of saying something different than what we were talking about?...or maybe you cant?...I'm ignorantly going by science that I read rather that putting that filthy shit in my own lungs to see for myself the NIH is right. You got that right.when you see things happening yes it does matter.....and when a Med Center like UCI asks your wife to be part of a study,yes it does matter.....and your vaunted NIH will be paying attention to this study....like you said...you dont know anything about pot outside of what you read....Yes, your anecdote trumps the science that the NIH relies on for its policy decisions. I see that now. How can I have been so blind?my wife is an epileptic and pot does what none of those "wonder" drugs you talk about do....it stops the tremor in her right hand and decreases erratic electrical impulses in her brain.....if i hadnt moved she would be part of a study at UCI Med center right now.....so much for the bullshit you just said.....
as well as cigarettes,something they have known is harmful for quite a while now.....They trash pot yet accept the multitude of alcohol problems and death...
It is legal to get drunk and ruin your liver, kidneys and brain cell but damn it all to hell you better not smoke that joint that might cause you to die with a damn smile on your face!
Pot lead to breaking up homes and thank the Lord booze has never done that nor has it ever killed anyone... ( Yes sarcasm )
If Pot should not be legal then Booze should have stayed illegal!
Willow my view is that it should be decriminalized and treated like alcohol,BUT,penalties for driving while drunk or high,especially if an accident happens should be quite stiff...if you want to do these things fine,but with this comes responsibility, if you get behind the wheel while still "buzzed",then you reap what you sow.....Yes Harry I know. And how many innocent people are killed by drunk drivers every year? Everyone says not me! I can smoke pot and drive, I can drink and drive and we get dead innocent people. And if you guys think once legalized your doctors won't give it a try think again. Doctors as a group are huge abusers of drugs.it should be treated like you having a few drinks Willow.....its not wise or safe to drive or fly a plane or do brain surgery after smoking........I am trying to find out if pot is safe or not! Do you have an opinion?Do you feel the need to back me into a corner for a purpose?WH so it's not safe?
My family uses and have been in professional careers and do not jump from job to job and hold degrees...maybe it depends on the family structure or intelligence of the users...then you dont know much about pot do you?...I wouldn't know, never tried it. I do know the NIH is right to continue the federal ban of the crap because it has no medical value whatsoever. There's nothing that pot does that isn't better accomplished with modern medicine.Depends which strain it is. I can tell you for sure it relaxes muscles that are in constant contraction from my pinched spine..Works better that the pills I am prescribed..Weed doesn't mellow you out, does it?
Quite the opposite, right?
All I know is the family and friends that use pot are worse off financially, go job to job, are less educated, have family problems, multiple children with multiple women etc than the the family and friends that don't use pot. It may be different for you. IDK, maybe if we all smoked pot we would all be super sucessful?
I started at 16, yet have many trades and certificates of technical operations, ran my own business, owned my own homes, raised 4 kids and I did not allow them to do anything until they were of age...My family uses and have been in professional careers and do not jump from job to job and hold degrees...maybe it depends on the family structure or intelligence of the users...then you dont know much about pot do you?...I wouldn't know, never tried it. I do know the NIH is right to continue the federal ban of the crap because it has no medical value whatsoever. There's nothing that pot does that isn't better accomplished with modern medicine.Depends which strain it is. I can tell you for sure it relaxes muscles that are in constant contraction from my pinched spine..Works better that the pills I am prescribed..
All I know is the family and friends that use pot are worse off financially, go job to job, are less educated, have family problems, multiple children with multiple women etc than the the family and friends that don't use pot. It may be different for you. IDK, maybe if we all smoked pot we would all be super sucessful?
I will agree. There are people that can handle it. But I think you are more likely to be affected negatively from it( take you down wrong path when you are young). If we could just keep the kids away from it until their brains are fully developed I would be ok with it. But that will never happen.
You really are full of shit.....I had an elderly neighbor pot addled. I dragged her out by her ankles and dumped her in the hallway. The fool couldn't get up. Help, I've fallen and I can't get up! I let her lay there yelling.The police won't respond to a report that someone has pot now. Legalize it and there's no way the police are going to come out.
Unless.
Tell the police that the user is trying to force you to buy from him or her and threatening violence if you don't.
My intent us,to tell the policethey can come get thus turd off my property now, otherwise come get both of us when I shoot their assets for tresspassing.
Yeah, I decided not to play college football after smoking, yet, that decision kept me from becoming crippled 30 years to soon.....Plus when I smoke I get the munchies and actually eat, instead of when I am not and I don't eat much.....My family uses and have been in professional careers and do not jump from job to job and hold degrees...maybe it depends on the family structure or intelligence of the users...then you dont know much about pot do you?...I wouldn't know, never tried it. I do know the NIH is right to continue the federal ban of the crap because it has no medical value whatsoever. There's nothing that pot does that isn't better accomplished with modern medicine.Depends which strain it is. I can tell you for sure it relaxes muscles that are in constant contraction from my pinched spine..Works better that the pills I am prescribed..
All I know is the family and friends that use pot are worse off financially, go job to job, are less educated, have family problems, multiple children with multiple women etc than the the family and friends that don't use pot. It may be different for you. IDK, maybe if we all smoked pot we would all be super sucessful?
I will agree. There are people that can handle it. But I think you are more likely to be affected negatively from it( take you down wrong path when you are young). If we could just keep the kids away from it until their brains are fully developed I would be ok with it. But that will never happen.
my wife is an epileptic and pot does what none of those "wonder" drugs you talk about do....it stops the tremor in her right hand and decreases erratic electrical impulses in her brain.....if i hadnt moved she would be part of a study at UCI Med center right now.....so much for the bullshit you just said.....The NIH does and they don't go by pothead propaganda that so captivates you. They go by science. Pot is medically unnecessary and the federal government is right to continue to keep it as a controlled substance.then you dont know much about pot do you?...I wouldn't know, never tried it. I do know the NIH is right to continue the federal ban of the crap because it has no medical value whatsoever. There's nothing that pot does that isn't better accomplished with modern medicine.Depends which strain it is. I can tell you for sure it relaxes muscles that are in constant contraction from my pinched spine..Works better that the pills I am prescribed..Weed doesn't mellow you out, does it?
Quite the opposite, right?
How Brilliant! A stellar example of how pot improves cognitive functioning.You really are full of shit.....I had an elderly neighbor pot addled. I dragged her out by her ankles and dumped her in the hallway. The fool couldn't get up. Help, I've fallen and I can't get up! I let her lay there yelling.The police won't respond to a report that someone has pot now. Legalize it and there's no way the police are going to come out.
Unless.
Tell the police that the user is trying to force you to buy from him or her and threatening violence if you don't.
My intent us,to tell the policethey can come get thus turd off my property now, otherwise come get both of us when I shoot their assets for tresspassing.
Unlike your example of a murderous liar....which is far better..How Brilliant! A stellar example of how pot improves cognitive functioning.You really are full of shit.....I had an elderly neighbor pot addled. I dragged her out by her ankles and dumped her in the hallway. The fool couldn't get up. Help, I've fallen and I can't get up! I let her lay there yelling.The police won't respond to a report that someone has pot now. Legalize it and there's no way the police are going to come out.
Unless.
Tell the police that the user is trying to force you to buy from him or her and threatening violence if you don't.
My intent us,to tell the policethey can come get thus turd off my property now, otherwise come get both of us when I shoot their assets for tresspassing.
Pot is good, if the country the United States is modeling itself after is Portugal.
I started at 16, yet have many trades and certificates of technical operations, ran my own business, owned my own homes, raised 4 kids and I did not allow them to do anything until they were of age...My family uses and have been in professional careers and do not jump from job to job and hold degrees...maybe it depends on the family structure or intelligence of the users...then you dont know much about pot do you?...I wouldn't know, never tried it. I do know the NIH is right to continue the federal ban of the crap because it has no medical value whatsoever. There's nothing that pot does that isn't better accomplished with modern medicine.
All I know is the family and friends that use pot are worse off financially, go job to job, are less educated, have family problems, multiple children with multiple women etc than the the family and friends that don't use pot. It may be different for you. IDK, maybe if we all smoked pot we would all be super sucessful?
I will agree. There are people that can handle it. But I think you are more likely to be affected negatively from it( take you down wrong path when you are young). If we could just keep the kids away from it until their brains are fully developed I would be ok with it. But that will never happen.
