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What lessons were learned Hoss ?What happened when it finished ?The Vietnam War was a civil war we had no right to be involved in.
Poor leadership, Poor Decisions and over 50,000 dead Americans.
Waste of Blood and Treasure...... I sure hope the politician that got us involved get what is coming to them
Was there an enquiry ? Were people held to account ?
No need for an inquiry. The guilty culprits, Kennedy and Johnson were worm food by 1973.
You still get involved in places you should keep clear from and, Iraq, still seem off the pace in terms of what the reality is on the ground.
But the lessons are never learned. The ruling class loves war, but the people don't know it. They never learn.Lessons learned from the Vietnam War.
1) Have an end goal and exit strategy.
2) You can't bomb people into the stone age....when they already live in the stone age.
3) People do not like to be invaded and occupied, no matter how nobel the cause.
(also, applies to Iraq and Afghanistan) ....
When the pentagon runs things, expect war.What lessons were learned Hoss ?What happened when it finished ?The Vietnam War was a civil war we had no right to be involved in.
Poor leadership, Poor Decisions and over 50,000 dead Americans.
Waste of Blood and Treasure...... I sure hope the politician that got us involved get what is coming to them
Was there an enquiry ? Were people held to account ?
No need for an inquiry. The guilty culprits, Kennedy and Johnson were worm food by 1973.
You still get involved in places you should keep clear from and, Iraq, still seem off the pace in terms of what the reality is on the ground.
Lessons were studied and learned by War Colleges and Military Academies but the Presidents between Eisenhower and Trump had to micromanage from the White House. Johnson and Clinton were bumbling fools and Obama couldn't organize a gang bang but he thought he was Napoleon IV. Thankfully, Trump is letting the Pentagon run military matters now.
When the pentagon runs things, expect war.What lessons were learned Hoss ?What happened when it finished ?The Vietnam War was a civil war we had no right to be involved in.
Poor leadership, Poor Decisions and over 50,000 dead Americans.
Waste of Blood and Treasure...... I sure hope the politician that got us involved get what is coming to them
Was there an enquiry ? Were people held to account ?
No need for an inquiry. The guilty culprits, Kennedy and Johnson were worm food by 1973.
You still get involved in places you should keep clear from and, Iraq, still seem off the pace in terms of what the reality is on the ground.
Lessons were studied and learned by War Colleges and Military Academies but the Presidents between Eisenhower and Trump had to micromanage from the White House. Johnson and Clinton were bumbling fools and Obama couldn't organize a gang bang but he thought he was Napoleon IV. Thankfully, Trump is letting the Pentagon run military matters now.
GB were very effective in dealing with failure. Islandwhana was hidden by Rorkes Drift. Dunkirk covered up our failure in Europe.Like with all great powers, yes that includes GB when they were the world's powerhouse, mistakes are often made and not learned from. It's not surprising.What lessons were learned Hoss ?What happened when it finished ?The Vietnam War was a civil war we had no right to be involved in.
Poor leadership, Poor Decisions and over 50,000 dead Americans.
Waste of Blood and Treasure...... I sure hope the politician that got us involved get what is coming to them
Was there an enquiry ? Were people held to account ?
No need for an inquiry. The guilty culprits, Kennedy and Johnson were worm food by 1973.
You still get involved in places you should keep clear from and, Iraq, still seem off the pace in terms of what the reality is on the ground.
Military matters. Read the post I responded to.When the pentagon runs things, expect war.What lessons were learned Hoss ?What happened when it finished ?
Was there an enquiry ? Were people held to account ?
No need for an inquiry. The guilty culprits, Kennedy and Johnson were worm food by 1973.
You still get involved in places you should keep clear from and, Iraq, still seem off the pace in terms of what the reality is on the ground.
Lessons were studied and learned by War Colleges and Military Academies but the Presidents between Eisenhower and Trump had to micromanage from the White House. Johnson and Clinton were bumbling fools and Obama couldn't organize a gang bang but he thought he was Napoleon IV. Thankfully, Trump is letting the Pentagon run military matters now.
What 'things'?
How about keeping it simple? If attacked we fight, as long as our government didn't commit a false flag. Otherwise, we mind our own business and stay out of other nation's affairs.Gen. Colon Powell was a Vietnam War veteran, who's lesson's learned and sage advice was basically ignored the White House. ......
The Powell Doctrine states that a list of questions all have to be answered affirmatively before military action is taken by the United States:
Powell Doctrine - Wikipedia
- Is a vital national security interest threatened?
- Do we have a clear attainable objective?
- Have the risks and costs been fully and frankly analyzed?
- Have all other non-violent policy means been fully exhausted?
- Is there a plausible exit strategy to avoid endless entanglement?
- Have the consequences of our action been fully considered?
- Is the action supported by the American people?
- Do we have genuine broad international support?
No need, the media and the American people haven't been kind to Bush II about that major mistake called Iraq. No, it's not on a different level, it's just the same wash, rinse, repeat that has been going on since the very first empire came into being, hell started with the first conflict in history between clans it just appears different because people aren't looking at long past historical events the same way they're viewing current or recent events. Current and relatively recent events are fresh and raw. The old saying about not learning from history is just as true today as it ever was, people are people and always will be.GB were very effective in dealing with failure. Islandwhana was hidden by Rorkes Drift. Dunkirk covered up our failure in Europe.Like with all great powers, yes that includes GB when they were the world's powerhouse, mistakes are often made and not learned from. It's not surprising.What lessons were learned Hoss ?What happened when it finished ?The Vietnam War was a civil war we had no right to be involved in.
Poor leadership, Poor Decisions and over 50,000 dead Americans.
Waste of Blood and Treasure...... I sure hope the politician that got us involved get what is coming to them
Was there an enquiry ? Were people held to account ?
No need for an inquiry. The guilty culprits, Kennedy and Johnson were worm food by 1973.
You still get involved in places you should keep clear from and, Iraq, still seem off the pace in terms of what the reality is on the ground.
But this seems to be on another level.
In the uk we have just had the Chilcott enquiry into the Iraq war. Blair gave evidence and didnt come out looking too shiny. Is there a similar process in the US ?
In my opinion, we haven't fought a war in defense of our country since WWll .....How about keeping it simple? If attacked we fight, as long as our government didn't commit a false flag. Otherwise, we mind our own business and stay out of other nation's affairs.
Actually the ground war went well we destroyed the insurgents in the 67 tet offensive after that every supposed insurgent was actually a North Vietnamese Regular shipped in. We did not lose until the politicians gave up.Just watching Ken Burns doc on the bbc.
I will have to watch it again when the house is quieter.
But at first glance it does seem that a lot of brave young men were let down badly by the politicians and the Generals.
I dont know if the doc is accurate but the impression given is that they just didnt have a clue.
My knowledge of the conflict is poor and mainly taken from the movies.
How did it go so badly ?
It is my opinion we haven't fought a defensive war since the American Revolution. Excepting the South, who fought defensively in Lincoln's War.In my opinion, we haven't fought a war in defense of our country since WWll .....How about keeping it simple? If attacked we fight, as long as our government didn't commit a false flag. Otherwise, we mind our own business and stay out of other nation's affairs.
GB were very effective in dealing with failure. Islandwhana was hidden by Rorkes Drift. Dunkirk covered up our failure in Europe.Like with all great powers, yes that includes GB when they were the world's powerhouse, mistakes are often made and not learned from. It's not surprising.What lessons were learned Hoss ?What happened when it finished ?The Vietnam War was a civil war we had no right to be involved in.
Poor leadership, Poor Decisions and over 50,000 dead Americans.
Waste of Blood and Treasure...... I sure hope the politician that got us involved get what is coming to them
Was there an enquiry ? Were people held to account ?
No need for an inquiry. The guilty culprits, Kennedy and Johnson were worm food by 1973.
You still get involved in places you should keep clear from and, Iraq, still seem off the pace in terms of what the reality is on the ground.
But this seems to be on another level.
In the uk we have just had the Chilcott enquiry into the Iraq war. Blair gave evidence and didnt come out looking too shiny. Is there a similar process in the US ?
Skye would be proud of that posting.GB were very effective in dealing with failure. Islandwhana was hidden by Rorkes Drift. Dunkirk covered up our failure in Europe.Like with all great powers, yes that includes GB when they were the world's powerhouse, mistakes are often made and not learned from. It's not surprising.What lessons were learned Hoss ?What happened when it finished ?
Was there an enquiry ? Were people held to account ?
No need for an inquiry. The guilty culprits, Kennedy and Johnson were worm food by 1973.
You still get involved in places you should keep clear from and, Iraq, still seem off the pace in terms of what the reality is on the ground.
But this seems to be on another level.
In the uk we have just had the Chilcott enquiry into the Iraq war. Blair gave evidence and didnt come out looking too shiny. Is there a similar process in the US ?
Why keep raking over hot coals? It happened.
You may as well analyse to death the War of the Roses, or the gunpowder plot.
Skye would be proud of that posting.GB were very effective in dealing with failure. Islandwhana was hidden by Rorkes Drift. Dunkirk covered up our failure in Europe.Like with all great powers, yes that includes GB when they were the world's powerhouse, mistakes are often made and not learned from. It's not surprising.What lessons were learned Hoss ?No need for an inquiry. The guilty culprits, Kennedy and Johnson were worm food by 1973.
You still get involved in places you should keep clear from and, Iraq, still seem off the pace in terms of what the reality is on the ground.
But this seems to be on another level.
In the uk we have just had the Chilcott enquiry into the Iraq war. Blair gave evidence and didnt come out looking too shiny. Is there a similar process in the US ?
Why keep raking over hot coals? It happened.
You may as well analyse to death the War of the Roses, or the gunpowder plot.
The politicians looked to be out of their depth. Puzzled because it wasnt a quick win. Afghanistan ?Actually the ground war went well we destroyed the insurgents in the 67 tet offensive after that every supposed insurgent was actually a North Vietnamese Regular shipped in. We did not lose until the politicians gave up.Just watching Ken Burns doc on the bbc.
I will have to watch it again when the house is quieter.
But at first glance it does seem that a lot of brave young men were let down badly by the politicians and the Generals.
I dont know if the doc is accurate but the impression given is that they just didnt have a clue.
My knowledge of the conflict is poor and mainly taken from the movies.
How did it go so badly ?
Skye would be proud of that posting.GB were very effective in dealing with failure. Islandwhana was hidden by Rorkes Drift. Dunkirk covered up our failure in Europe.Like with all great powers, yes that includes GB when they were the world's powerhouse, mistakes are often made and not learned from. It's not surprising.What lessons were learned Hoss ?
You still get involved in places you should keep clear from and, Iraq, still seem off the pace in terms of what the reality is on the ground.
But this seems to be on another level.
In the uk we have just had the Chilcott enquiry into the Iraq war. Blair gave evidence and didnt come out looking too shiny. Is there a similar process in the US ?
Why keep raking over hot coals? It happened.
You may as well analyse to death the War of the Roses, or the gunpowder plot.
What's that got to do with anything?
We are discussing a fairly recent war on the HISTORY forum. And you want to shut down debate. Thats just dumb.Skye would be proud of that posting.GB were very effective in dealing with failure. Islandwhana was hidden by Rorkes Drift. Dunkirk covered up our failure in Europe.Like with all great powers, yes that includes GB when they were the world's powerhouse, mistakes are often made and not learned from. It's not surprising.What lessons were learned Hoss ?
You still get involved in places you should keep clear from and, Iraq, still seem off the pace in terms of what the reality is on the ground.
But this seems to be on another level.
In the uk we have just had the Chilcott enquiry into the Iraq war. Blair gave evidence and didnt come out looking too shiny. Is there a similar process in the US ?
Why keep raking over hot coals? It happened.
You may as well analyse to death the War of the Roses, or the gunpowder plot.
What's that got to do with anything?
Skye would be proud of that posting.GB were very effective in dealing with failure. Islandwhana was hidden by Rorkes Drift. Dunkirk covered up our failure in Europe.Like with all great powers, yes that includes GB when they were the world's powerhouse, mistakes are often made and not learned from. It's not surprising.
But this seems to be on another level.
In the uk we have just had the Chilcott enquiry into the Iraq war. Blair gave evidence and didnt come out looking too shiny. Is there a similar process in the US ?
Why keep raking over hot coals? It happened.
You may as well analyse to death the War of the Roses, or the gunpowder plot.
What's that got to do with anything?We are discussing a fairly recent war on the HISTORY forum. And you want to shut down debate. Thats just dumb.Skye would be proud of that posting.GB were very effective in dealing with failure. Islandwhana was hidden by Rorkes Drift. Dunkirk covered up our failure in Europe.Like with all great powers, yes that includes GB when they were the world's powerhouse, mistakes are often made and not learned from. It's not surprising.
But this seems to be on another level.
In the uk we have just had the Chilcott enquiry into the Iraq war. Blair gave evidence and didnt come out looking too shiny. Is there a similar process in the US ?
Why keep raking over hot coals? It happened.
You may as well analyse to death the War of the Roses, or the gunpowder plot.
What's that got to do with anything?
Stop trolling the thread.Skye would be proud of that posting.GB were very effective in dealing with failure. Islandwhana was hidden by Rorkes Drift. Dunkirk covered up our failure in Europe.
But this seems to be on another level.
In the uk we have just had the Chilcott enquiry into the Iraq war. Blair gave evidence and didnt come out looking too shiny. Is there a similar process in the US ?
Why keep raking over hot coals? It happened.
You may as well analyse to death the War of the Roses, or the gunpowder plot.
What's that got to do with anything?We are discussing a fairly recent war on the HISTORY forum. And you want to shut down debate. Thats just dumb.Skye would be proud of that posting.GB were very effective in dealing with failure. Islandwhana was hidden by Rorkes Drift. Dunkirk covered up our failure in Europe.
But this seems to be on another level.
In the uk we have just had the Chilcott enquiry into the Iraq war. Blair gave evidence and didnt come out looking too shiny. Is there a similar process in the US ?
Why keep raking over hot coals? It happened.
You may as well analyse to death the War of the Roses, or the gunpowder plot.
What's that got to do with anything?
Misquoting, and altering the narrative? That's what your type does.
You're not merely "discussing a fairly recent war". Not in an objective way at least. You always have some sort of angle. On anything you discuss.
