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Early to mid 1960's, the war was seen as a patriot duty and many joined up.According to the documentary, many of those young men wanted to go and fight in Vietnam. One family they focused on, he gave up academia to join up.
You are using arbitrary and misinformed posts to try and make your points. If anyone is trolling it is you. Anyhow, this thread was started by Tommy not you.Stop trolling the thread.Skye would be proud of that posting.
What's that got to do with anything?We are discussing a fairly recent war on the HISTORY forum. And you want to shut down debate. Thats just dumb.Skye would be proud of that posting.
What's that got to do with anything?
Misquoting, and altering the narrative? That's what your type does.
You're not merely "discussing a fairly recent war". Not in an objective way at least. You always have some sort of angle. On anything you discuss.
Another diversionary tactic for your dishonesty.
Early to mid 1960's, the war was seen as a patriot duty and many joined up.According to the documentary, many of those young men wanted to go and fight in Vietnam. One family they focused on, he gave up academia to join up.
Later in the war, late 60's early 70, the bulk of the military was composed of unenthusiastic conscripts. Who had no desire to be there, let alone die there. ....
You are using arbitrary and misinformed posts to try and make your points. If anyone is trolling it is you. Anyhow, this thread was started by Tommy not you.Stop trolling the thread.What's that got to do with anything?We are discussing a fairly recent war on the HISTORY forum. And you want to shut down debate. Thats just dumb.What's that got to do with anything?
Misquoting, and altering the narrative? That's what your type does.
You're not merely "discussing a fairly recent war". Not in an objective way at least. You always have some sort of angle. On anything you discuss.
Another diversionary tactic for your dishonesty.
A management failure?Just watching Ken Burns doc on the bbc.
I will have to watch it again when the house is quieter.
But at first glance it does seem that a lot of brave young men were let down badly by the politicians and the Generals.
I dont know if the doc is accurate but the impression given is that they just didnt have a clue.
My knowledge of the conflict is poor and mainly taken from the movies.
How did it go so badly ?
I do not care what the film says or shows. And they sure the hell didn't interview me or anyone I know.I'm aware of that. But so many were eager to go. As the film makes clear, with personal interviews.
I believe our Ninth Amendment applied. There was no formal declaration of war. Letters of marque and reprisal, or war, is what Congress is, literally delegated, by the People.I do not care what the film says or shows.I'm aware of that. But so many were eager to go. As the film makes clear, with personal interviews.
I was one of those people who was drafted 1970-71, along with many of my high school friends. I can assure you that by that time, which was late in the war. Neither me, or any of my friends were looking forward to going to Vietnam, let alone signing up. .....
`According to the documentary, many of those young men wanted to go and fight in Vietnam. One family they focused on, he gave up academia to join up.
Although, I was in agreement with Fonda's public protests to end the war.One thing I've learned that correlates with what the documentary said; to my knowledge, Jane Fonda is universally hated by Vietnam vets.
The North Vietnamese were highly trained and dedicated nationalistic soldiers who were willing to fight to the death for generations in order to free their country from foreign occupation.It was a civil war and we shouldn’t have gone in the way we did. However fighting the spread of communism was a worthy and just cause, so we should have supported the South Vietnamese financially, with weapons, air support and a no fly zone. We actually won the war, but we then allowed it to slip away. The North actually signed a peace Treaty Jan 27, 1973. NV gov agreed to this once we FINALLY took the fighting to the North. Nixon’s escalation into the North, Cambodia and Laos wasn’t popular but it was a necessary and decisive move that won us the war and forced the North to sign a peace treaty. Not to mention the huge strategic tet offensive blunder that effectively destroyed the VC!
We made a commitment to arm the SVA. However after Nixon resigned and the Demorats took Congress, the Dems went back on this promise. We didn’t arm the SVA and we pulled out most of the peace keeping troops. We gave them the South on a silver platter. It was dishonorable and cowardly.
The NVA saw this and invaded! If we just kept our promise and left in peace keeping troops then the history books would have been written much differently. The VC was effectively destroyed and the NVA would have never went in if we kept our word.
We would have seen a resurgent South Vietnam and a faltering North Vietnam, much the same way we see in Korea!
It is a damn shame
https://www.prageru.com/sites/defau...he_truth_about_the_vietnam_war-transcript.pdf
The Truth about the Vietnam War
`According to the documentary, many of those young men wanted to go and fight in Vietnam. One family they focused on, he gave up academia to join up.
One thing I've learned that correlates with what the documentary said; to my knowledge, Jane Fonda is universally hated by Vietnam vets.
Just watching Ken Burns doc on the bbc.
I will have to watch it again when the house is quieter.
But at first glance it does seem that a lot of brave young men were let down badly by the politicians and the Generals.
I dont know if the doc is accurate but the impression given is that they just didnt have a clue.
My knowledge of the conflict is poor and mainly taken from the movies.
How did it go so badly ?
It is very accurate.
At one point the Vietcong had superior Russian made weapons. Did you see the part where the US soldiers' guns jammed during heavy artillery fire?
Resulting in much loss of life.
The North Vietnamese were highly trained and dedicated nationalistic soldiers who were willing to fight to the death for generations in order to free their country from foreign occupation.It was a civil war and we shouldn’t have gone in the way we did. However fighting the spread of communism was a worthy and just cause, so we should have supported the South Vietnamese financially, with weapons, air support and a no fly zone. We actually won the war, but we then allowed it to slip away. The North actually signed a peace Treaty Jan 27, 1973. NV gov agreed to this once we FINALLY took the fighting to the North. Nixon’s escalation into the North, Cambodia and Laos wasn’t popular but it was a necessary and decisive move that won us the war and forced the North to sign a peace treaty. Not to mention the huge strategic tet offensive blunder that effectively destroyed the VC!
We made a commitment to arm the SVA. However after Nixon resigned and the Demorats took Congress, the Dems went back on this promise. We didn’t arm the SVA and we pulled out most of the peace keeping troops. We gave them the South on a silver platter. It was dishonorable and cowardly.
The NVA saw this and invaded! If we just kept our promise and left in peace keeping troops then the history books would have been written much differently. The VC was effectively destroyed and the NVA would have never went in if we kept our word.
We would have seen a resurgent South Vietnam and a faltering North Vietnam, much the same way we see in Korea!
It is a damn shame
https://www.prageru.com/sites/defau...he_truth_about_the_vietnam_war-transcript.pdf
The Truth about the Vietnam War
The South Vietnamese soldiers in general, lacked that kind of fervor and dedication. .....
Just watching Ken Burns doc on the bbc.
I will have to watch it again when the house is quieter.
But at first glance it does seem that a lot of brave young men were let down badly by the politicians and the Generals.
I dont know if the doc is accurate but the impression given is that they just didnt have a clue.
My knowledge of the conflict is poor and mainly taken from the movies.
How did it go so badly ?
It is very accurate.
At one point the Vietcong had superior Russian made weapons. Did you see the part where the US soldiers' guns jammed during heavy artillery fire?
Resulting in much loss of life.
I recall the M-14 had that problem, is that what they referenced?
The North Vietnamese were highly trained and dedicated nationalistic soldiers who were willing to fight to the death for generations in order to free their country from foreign occupation.It was a civil war and we shouldn’t have gone in the way we did. However fighting the spread of communism was a worthy and just cause, so we should have supported the South Vietnamese financially, with weapons, air support and a no fly zone. We actually won the war, but we then allowed it to slip away. The North actually signed a peace Treaty Jan 27, 1973. NV gov agreed to this once we FINALLY took the fighting to the North. Nixon’s escalation into the North, Cambodia and Laos wasn’t popular but it was a necessary and decisive move that won us the war and forced the North to sign a peace treaty. Not to mention the huge strategic tet offensive blunder that effectively destroyed the VC!
We made a commitment to arm the SVA. However after Nixon resigned and the Demorats took Congress, the Dems went back on this promise. We didn’t arm the SVA and we pulled out most of the peace keeping troops. We gave them the South on a silver platter. It was dishonorable and cowardly.
The NVA saw this and invaded! If we just kept our promise and left in peace keeping troops then the history books would have been written much differently. The VC was effectively destroyed and the NVA would have never went in if we kept our word.
We would have seen a resurgent South Vietnam and a faltering North Vietnam, much the same way we see in Korea!
It is a damn shame
https://www.prageru.com/sites/defau...he_truth_about_the_vietnam_war-transcript.pdf
The Truth about the Vietnam War
The South Vietnamese soldiers in general, lacked that kind of fervor and dedication. .....
Some what true. They were fierce fighters, however so were the North Koreans, but in that war we brought the fighting straight to the North right away. If the Chinese didn’t send in troops there would have never been a North Korea. That was the precise reason we stayed out of the North, Cambodia and Laos for so long.
Once we took the fight to them, the war changed and the North Vietnamese signed a peace treaty. Once they saw America had no political will to back it they hit the war path again.
If we backed the plan and allowed the South time to build their military then it would have e been different.
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The documentary drove home one salient point; the US knew from the start, they could never win a military victory in Vietnam....and yet, the lie of victory is what they fed the public....to the tune of over 50,000 American troops and over 2,000,000 South East Asians, dead.
