What happens in a place where the criminal's are empowered, and the citizen's are to afraid to help keep order.

[justinacolmena]

All killers are criminals some are jailed some are hailed as hero's..Silly humans...

And all leftists and druggers are killers.

 

[Pete7469]

This is the vision the left has for us.

Allow criminal sociopaths to run rampant, terrify the public into relinquishing their weapons, and then cull the herd as they see fit.

"Public (lol) SAFETY" is not the agenda, goal, priority or objective.

 

[beagle9]

This appears to be a bit of an epidemic in South Africa. At least they have the perps in this one. You want armed citizens involved in this sort of a situation? Dude, that's nut. What amazes me is that the the guy riding shotgun didn't get on a cell phone phone with law enforcement immediately.

Three arrested, two injured in attempted cash-in-transit robbery in Macassar

An attempt to rob a cash-in transit vehicle in Macassar, where two people were injured, resulted in the arrest of three suspects in Kayamandi, Stellenbosch this afternoon.

www.iol.co.za

You doggone straight I would want citizen's involved in a situation like this, because they could have helped to save these two men's lives if they didn't make it, and that's exactly what the criminal gang knew or they know what they attack the system in these ways. So you have no confidence in good armed citizen's helping when they see two law abiding overwhelmed armored car citizen's being chased down and possibly killed like what may have taken place in the video ?? Remember these two were being chased for quite a while, and still no help arrived or became present.

That response time is a killer when the action goes on for this long with no help in any form arriving to help out. It reeks of lawlessness, and a country that might be on the brink with this kind of stuff.

The cell phone was used when they were able to gather themselves for a moment to do so in the action. Your comment was ridiculous after watching what the two were going through.

 

[beagle9]

This is the vision the left has for us.

Allow criminal sociopaths to run rampant, terrify the public into relinquishing their weapons, and then cull the herd as they see fit.

"Public (lol) SAFETY" is not the agenda, goal, priority or objective.

Not sure if it is of conscious mind or they are just so brainwashed that they can't see the forest for the trees.

 

[DrLove]

You doggone straight I would want citizen's involved in a situation like this, because they could have helped to save these two men's lives if they didn't make it, and that's exactly what the criminal gang knew or they know what they attack the system in these ways. So you have no confidence in good armed citizen's helping when they see two law abiding overwhelmed armored car citizen's being chased down and possibly killed like what may have taken place in the video ?? Remember these two were being chased for quite a while, and still no help arrived or became present.

That response time is a killer when the action goes on for this long with no help in any form arriving to help out. It reeks of lawlessness, and a country that might be on the brink with this kind of stuff.

The cell phone was used when they were able to gather themselves for a moment to do so in the action. Your comment was ridiculous after watching what the two were going through.

Show me the last time this sort of thing has happened in this country. Lawlessness is not solved with armed citizens driving about recklessly and spraying bullets out of their driver's side window. We don't live in the Wild Wild West anymore kid.

And you're doggone stupid if you believe we do.

 

[Yarddog]

Where the hell is the police??? Had this been in the U.S. our cops would be there a lot sooner...... er well maybe not now since they are all quitting and being defunded in some places

 

[beagle9]

These two guards should have been surrounded by citizen's with arms who would have joined into the fight for their survival until help could arrive. No excuse in this type of lawlessness to be normal in a civilized society, but there it is right before our eyes to study.

I can't think of a time in US history that this didn't happen...

the Dems and BLM LOVE criminals and hate law-order....criminals are their HEROES!!!!!!!
in his grad uniform!!!! HAHAHAHAHAH
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HONORING a criminal!!!!!!

St. Louis aldermen pass resolution remembering Anthony Lamar Smith, angering police

The city's top officials embraced Smith's mother, Annie, and her husband during Friday's board meeting.

www.stltoday.com

look at THAT!! criminality and the American FLAG!!!
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They did it with Civil War losers also..It will pass..

like WW2...most German soldiers/etc were not criminals
..you've just been DESTROYED
hahahahahhahahahahah

True, just like many don't have a clue as to what this administration is going to pull next, and if they find themselves caught up in it, and the administration does wrong, then the world would say all Americans are guilty and think like this.

 

[Turtlesoup]

Not sure about the rights of citizens to bear arms in this country, but what is clear to me is that the criminal's have them, and they aren't afraid to attack in broad daylight.

More video's to follow.

We must retain the rights to be armed as good citizen's in America or we will begin to experience this same type of gang lawlessness across the board in this country, and that is unacceptable.

We have enough exposure to gang violence now, and it doesn't need to get worse.

We must protect the peace, and do our parts when the situation calls upon us.

These two guards should have been surrounded by citizen's with arms who would have joined into the fight for their survival until help could arrive. No excuse in this type of lawlessness to be normal in a civilized society, but there it is right before our eyes to study.

Gobi is either dead weight---or in on the stealing.

 

[beagle9]

You doggone straight I would want citizen's involved in a situation like this, because they could have helped to save these two men's lives if they didn't make it, and that's exactly what the criminal gang knew or they know what they attack the system in these ways. So you have no confidence in good armed citizen's helping when they see two law abiding overwhelmed armored car citizen's being chased down and possibly killed like what may have taken place in the video ?? Remember these two were being chased for quite a while, and still no help arrived or became present.

That response time is a killer when the action goes on for this long with no help in any form arriving to help out. It reeks of lawlessness, and a country that might be on the brink with this kind of stuff.

The cell phone was used when they were able to gather themselves for a moment to do so in the action. Your comment was ridiculous after watching what the two were going through.

Show me the last time this sort of thing has happened in this country. Lawlessness is not solved with armed citizens driving about recklessly and spraying bullets out of their driver's side window. We don't live in the Wild Wild West anymore kid.

And you're doggone stupid if you believe we do.

Where have you been ? If not mistaken the latest death was of the little 7 year old girl in the McDonald's drive through with her dad, and yes bullets were spraying out of the windows of a car when it happened.

Sad thing is that the left have gotten the citizenry to scared to take action in the stopping of the car if possible, and if attempted to intervene it would be in hopes to do a citizen's arrest before the killers get away to kill again or the lack of response aids in the killers to get away clean... Sadly the killers in many cases get away to kill the innocent again, and it has become a serious problem in many areas sadly for the citizen's, and now even for law enforcement.

No excuse in any drive by shooting somehow being something that the police only should handle these days, otherwise if armed good citizen's are abundant in the immediate area, then the vehicle should never be able to get in and out of the area with immunity like that, but we see what has taken place over time now, and it's only getting worse.

The guy's back in the eighties who started riding the subway train's in New York finally took action as the "Guardian Angels" because the police response time was inadequate. I think they are still doing it, but not sure on that.

 

[beagle9]

Not sure about the rights of citizens to bear arms in this country, but what is clear to me is that the criminal's have them, and they aren't afraid to attack in broad daylight.

More video's to follow.

We must retain the rights to be armed as good citizen's in America or we will begin to experience this same type of gang lawlessness across the board in this country, and that is unacceptable.

We have enough exposure to gang violence now, and it doesn't need to get worse.

We must protect the peace, and do our parts when the situation calls upon us.

These two guards should have been surrounded by citizen's with arms who would have joined into the fight for their survival until help could arrive. No excuse in this type of lawlessness to be normal in a civilized society, but there it is right before our eyes to study.

Gobi is either dead weight---or in on the stealing.

Is that the passengers name ? He appears to be a rookie/new hire in training to me. He looked scared crapless to me, but if he survived, and the driver didn't, then yes an investigation into that thought might take place.

 

[beagle9]

Not sure about the rights of citizens to bear arms in this country, but what is clear to me is that the criminal's have them, and they aren't afraid to attack in broad daylight.

More video's to follow.

We must retain the rights to be armed as good citizen's in America or we will begin to experience this same type of gang lawlessness across the board in this country, and that is unacceptable.

We have enough exposure to gang violence now, and it doesn't need to get worse.

We must protect the peace, and do our parts when the situation calls upon us.

These two guards should have been surrounded by citizen's with arms who would have joined into the fight for their survival until help could arrive. No excuse in this type of lawlessness to be normal in a civilized society, but there it is right before our eyes to study.

Our legislators should be doing their Job.

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

Yes, but in some state's they aren't helping because they aren't doing their job, but instead they are fueling and hurting the situations where instead they are race baiting, virtue signaling or worse trying to stay popular with a few whilst the city burns for power and greed.

 

[Yarddog]

You doggone straight I would want citizen's involved in a situation like this, because they could have helped to save these two men's lives if they didn't make it, and that's exactly what the criminal gang knew or they know what they attack the system in these ways. So you have no confidence in good armed citizen's helping when they see two law abiding overwhelmed armored car citizen's being chased down and possibly killed like what may have taken place in the video ?? Remember these two were being chased for quite a while, and still no help arrived or became present.

That response time is a killer when the action goes on for this long with no help in any form arriving to help out. It reeks of lawlessness, and a country that might be on the brink with this kind of stuff.

The cell phone was used when they were able to gather themselves for a moment to do so in the action. Your comment was ridiculous after watching what the two were going through.

Show me the last time this sort of thing has happened in this country. Lawlessness is not solved with armed citizens driving about recklessly and spraying bullets out of their driver's side window. We don't live in the Wild Wild West anymore kid.

And you're doggone stupid if you believe we do.

I would agree that a high speed rolling gun battle is not the place for other armed citizens to get involved. Its a bit too much confusion with what was going on and a high probability of bystanders getting hit plus it would involve a car chase which isnt going to happen.
However there are plenty of time's where the situation warrants civilians being armed to defend each other.
Had this incident happened in the U.S. where citizens were carrying, I highly doubt that any of them would be slinging bullets around in a haphazard way, most people would have more common sense. Most people who have any kind of training know you need to have a good target before you go firing your weapon... especially in a public place. More people would first be on their phones calling police initially.

 

[beagle9]

You doggone straight I would want citizen's involved in a situation like this, because they could have helped to save these two men's lives if they didn't make it, and that's exactly what the criminal gang knew or they know what they attack the system in these ways. So you have no confidence in good armed citizen's helping when they see two law abiding overwhelmed armored car citizen's being chased down and possibly killed like what may have taken place in the video ?? Remember these two were being chased for quite a while, and still no help arrived or became present.

That response time is a killer when the action goes on for this long with no help in any form arriving to help out. It reeks of lawlessness, and a country that might be on the brink with this kind of stuff.

The cell phone was used when they were able to gather themselves for a moment to do so in the action. Your comment was ridiculous after watching what the two were going through.

Show me the last time this sort of thing has happened in this country. Lawlessness is not solved with armed citizens driving about recklessly and spraying bullets out of their driver's side window. We don't live in the Wild Wild West anymore kid.

And you're doggone stupid if you believe we do.

I would agree that a high speed rolling gun battle is not the place for other armed citizens to get involved. Its a bit too much confusion with what was going on and a high probability of bystanders getting hit plus it would involve a car chase which isnt going to happen.
However there are plenty of time's where the situation warrants civilians being armed to defend each other.
Had this incident happened in the U.S. where citizens were carrying, I highly doubt that any of them would be slinging bullets around in a haphazard way, most people would have more common sense. Most people who have any kind of training know you need to have a good target before you go firing your weapon... especially in a public place. More people would first be on their phones calling police initially.

Agree... In this situation the vehicles were easily defined concerning who was the good guy's and who were the bad, and trust me before the two in the vehicle could be killed or the other one dragged out and killed, me as an armed citizen after processing what was going on would have prevented that killing if at all possible. Exactly right on using caution and common sense, so no we as citizen's wouldn't be in a situation where we would be in a gun battle trying to save these two by just shooting our weapons hap-hazzardly like we were Barney Fife, but instead would have been just as professional as the officer's would have been in the situation.

 

[DrLove]

You doggone straight I would want citizen's involved in a situation like this, because they could have helped to save these two men's lives if they didn't make it, and that's exactly what the criminal gang knew or they know what they attack the system in these ways. So you have no confidence in good armed citizen's helping when they see two law abiding overwhelmed armored car citizen's being chased down and possibly killed like what may have taken place in the video ?? Remember these two were being chased for quite a while, and still no help arrived or became present.

That response time is a killer when the action goes on for this long with no help in any form arriving to help out. It reeks of lawlessness, and a country that might be on the brink with this kind of stuff.

The cell phone was used when they were able to gather themselves for a moment to do so in the action. Your comment was ridiculous after watching what the two were going through.

Show me the last time this sort of thing has happened in this country. Lawlessness is not solved with armed citizens driving about recklessly and spraying bullets out of their driver's side window. We don't live in the Wild Wild West anymore kid.

And you're doggone stupid if you believe we do.

I would agree that a high speed rolling gun battle is not the place for other armed citizens to get involved. Its a bit too much confusion with what was going on and a high probability of bystanders getting hit plus it would involve a car chase which isnt going to happen.
However there are plenty of time's where the situation warrants civilians being armed to defend each other.
Had this incident happened in the U.S. where citizens were carrying, I highly doubt that any of them would be slinging bullets around in a haphazard way, most people would have more common sense. Most people who have any kind of training know you need to have a good target before you go firing your weapon... especially in a public place. More people would first be on their phones calling police initially.

Finally - a little SANITY enters the thread. Somehow I think our Beagle has watched one too many action adventure movies.

The only problem I had with your comments is that you assume armed citizens are well trained. Honestly, far too many are not. You can Constitutional Carry in about half the states without either a license OR training.

26 States Don’t Test Your Shooting Skills Before Issuing a Concealed Carry Permit

A review of licensing requirements shows that in more than half the country, applicants are not required to demonstrate their shooting ability.

www.thetrace.org

Constitutional carry - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Yarddog]

You doggone straight I would want citizen's involved in a situation like this, because they could have helped to save these two men's lives if they didn't make it, and that's exactly what the criminal gang knew or they know what they attack the system in these ways. So you have no confidence in good armed citizen's helping when they see two law abiding overwhelmed armored car citizen's being chased down and possibly killed like what may have taken place in the video ?? Remember these two were being chased for quite a while, and still no help arrived or became present.

That response time is a killer when the action goes on for this long with no help in any form arriving to help out. It reeks of lawlessness, and a country that might be on the brink with this kind of stuff.

The cell phone was used when they were able to gather themselves for a moment to do so in the action. Your comment was ridiculous after watching what the two were going through.

Show me the last time this sort of thing has happened in this country. Lawlessness is not solved with armed citizens driving about recklessly and spraying bullets out of their driver's side window. We don't live in the Wild Wild West anymore kid.

And you're doggone stupid if you believe we do.

I would agree that a high speed rolling gun battle is not the place for other armed citizens to get involved. Its a bit too much confusion with what was going on and a high probability of bystanders getting hit plus it would involve a car chase which isnt going to happen.
However there are plenty of time's where the situation warrants civilians being armed to defend each other.
Had this incident happened in the U.S. where citizens were carrying, I highly doubt that any of them would be slinging bullets around in a haphazard way, most people would have more common sense. Most people who have any kind of training know you need to have a good target before you go firing your weapon... especially in a public place. More people would first be on their phones calling police initially.

Agree... In this situation the vehicles were easily defined concerning who was the good guy's and who were the bad, and trust me before the two in the vehicle could be killed or the other one dragged out and killed, me as an armed citizen after processing what was going on would have prevented that killing if at all possible. Exactly right on using caution and common sense, so no we as citizen's wouldn't be in a situation where we would be in a gun battle trying to save these two by just shooting our weapons hap-hazzardly like we were Barney Fife, but instead would have been just as professional as the officer's would have been in the situation.

And the fact that the bad guys in this type of situation do not know you are carrying, gives you a huge advantage for the sake of safety and tactics. It allows you to position yourself properly.
I think there are some of these liberals out there who just assume every one is in a big panic and great hurry to pull out a gun and start shooting.

 

[Yarddog]

You doggone straight I would want citizen's involved in a situation like this, because they could have helped to save these two men's lives if they didn't make it, and that's exactly what the criminal gang knew or they know what they attack the system in these ways. So you have no confidence in good armed citizen's helping when they see two law abiding overwhelmed armored car citizen's being chased down and possibly killed like what may have taken place in the video ?? Remember these two were being chased for quite a while, and still no help arrived or became present.

That response time is a killer when the action goes on for this long with no help in any form arriving to help out. It reeks of lawlessness, and a country that might be on the brink with this kind of stuff.

The cell phone was used when they were able to gather themselves for a moment to do so in the action. Your comment was ridiculous after watching what the two were going through.

Show me the last time this sort of thing has happened in this country. Lawlessness is not solved with armed citizens driving about recklessly and spraying bullets out of their driver's side window. We don't live in the Wild Wild West anymore kid.

And you're doggone stupid if you believe we do.

I would agree that a high speed rolling gun battle is not the place for other armed citizens to get involved. Its a bit too much confusion with what was going on and a high probability of bystanders getting hit plus it would involve a car chase which isnt going to happen.
However there are plenty of time's where the situation warrants civilians being armed to defend each other.
Had this incident happened in the U.S. where citizens were carrying, I highly doubt that any of them would be slinging bullets around in a haphazard way, most people would have more common sense. Most people who have any kind of training know you need to have a good target before you go firing your weapon... especially in a public place. More people would first be on their phones calling police initially.

Finally - a little SANITY enters the thread. Somehow I think our Beagle has watched one too many action adventure movies.

The only problem I had with your comments is that you assume armed citizens are well trained. Honestly, far too many are not. You can Constitutional Carry in about half the states without either a license OR training.

26 States Don’t Test Your Shooting Skills Before Issuing a Concealed Carry Permit

A review of licensing requirements shows that in more than half the country, applicants are not required to demonstrate their shooting ability.

www.thetrace.org

Constitutional carry - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Well, there should be more training. I wouldn't mind that to go along with a carry permit

 

[beagle9]

You doggone straight I would want citizen's involved in a situation like this, because they could have helped to save these two men's lives if they didn't make it, and that's exactly what the criminal gang knew or they know what they attack the system in these ways. So you have no confidence in good armed citizen's helping when they see two law abiding overwhelmed armored car citizen's being chased down and possibly killed like what may have taken place in the video ?? Remember these two were being chased for quite a while, and still no help arrived or became present.

That response time is a killer when the action goes on for this long with no help in any form arriving to help out. It reeks of lawlessness, and a country that might be on the brink with this kind of stuff.

The cell phone was used when they were able to gather themselves for a moment to do so in the action. Your comment was ridiculous after watching what the two were going through.

Show me the last time this sort of thing has happened in this country. Lawlessness is not solved with armed citizens driving about recklessly and spraying bullets out of their driver's side window. We don't live in the Wild Wild West anymore kid.

And you're doggone stupid if you believe we do.

I would agree that a high speed rolling gun battle is not the place for other armed citizens to get involved. Its a bit too much confusion with what was going on and a high probability of bystanders getting hit plus it would involve a car chase which isnt going to happen.
However there are plenty of time's where the situation warrants civilians being armed to defend each other.
Had this incident happened in the U.S. where citizens were carrying, I highly doubt that any of them would be slinging bullets around in a haphazard way, most people would have more common sense. Most people who have any kind of training know you need to have a good target before you go firing your weapon... especially in a public place. More people would first be on their phones calling police initially.

Finally - a little SANITY enters the thread. Somehow I think our Beagle has watched one too many action adventure movies.

The only problem I had with your comments is that you assume armed citizens are well trained. Honestly, far too many are not. You can Constitutional Carry in about half the states without either a license OR training.

26 States Don’t Test Your Shooting Skills Before Issuing a Concealed Carry Permit

A review of licensing requirements shows that in more than half the country, applicants are not required to demonstrate their shooting ability.

www.thetrace.org

Constitutional carry - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Well, there should be more training. I would mind that to go along with a carry permit

I'll go along with that, but being a hunter all my life, and having owned and operated guns all my life, I think that I would have been up for the challenge in the situation if it were to arise. Many successful soldiers during the wars were hunter gatherers, self reliant, and tough enough when called upon to serve. I'd say they were the backbone of American strength in the infantry lines, and we're also protector's of the innocent or weaker amongst the lines.

 

[beagle9]

Where the hell is the police??? Had this been in the U.S. our cops would be there a lot sooner...... er well maybe not now since they are all quitting and being defunded in some places

Probably what happened there prior, and now we are heading down the same path.

 

[DrLove]

You doggone straight I would want citizen's involved in a situation like this, because they could have helped to save these two men's lives if they didn't make it, and that's exactly what the criminal gang knew or they know what they attack the system in these ways. So you have no confidence in good armed citizen's helping when they see two law abiding overwhelmed armored car citizen's being chased down and possibly killed like what may have taken place in the video ?? Remember these two were being chased for quite a while, and still no help arrived or became present.

That response time is a killer when the action goes on for this long with no help in any form arriving to help out. It reeks of lawlessness, and a country that might be on the brink with this kind of stuff.

The cell phone was used when they were able to gather themselves for a moment to do so in the action. Your comment was ridiculous after watching what the two were going through.

Show me the last time this sort of thing has happened in this country. Lawlessness is not solved with armed citizens driving about recklessly and spraying bullets out of their driver's side window. We don't live in the Wild Wild West anymore kid.

And you're doggone stupid if you believe we do.

Where have you been ? If not mistaken the latest death was of the little 7 year old girl in the McDonald's drive through with her dad, and yes bullets were spraying out of the windows of a car when it happened.

Sad thing is that the left have gotten the citizenry to scared to take action in the stopping of the car if possible, and if attempted to intervene it would be in hopes to do a citizen's arrest before the killers get away to kill again or the lack of response aids in the killers to get away clean... Sadly the killers in many cases get away to kill the innocent again, and it has become a serious problem in many areas sadly for the citizen's, and now even for law enforcement.

No excuse in any drive by shooting somehow being something that the police only should handle these days, otherwise if armed good citizen's are abundant in the immediate area, then the vehicle should never be able to get in and out of the area with immunity like that, but we see what has taken place over time now, and it's only getting worse.

The guy's back in the eighties who started riding the subway train's in New York finally took action as the "Guardian Angels" because the police response time was inadequate. I think they are still doing it, but not sure on that.

To me, the proper action in a situation like this is to follow a drive by shooter at a safe distance, call 911 on your smartphone, put it on speaker and describe the car and its location to the best of your ability. Sadly, there are not too many instances with drive-by shootings where a concerned citizen is in his car and ready to move.

What you do NOT do is fire out your window or attempt to pull the car over or knock it off the road. And like police are trained to do, you abandon the chase in most situations if the car way over the speed limit and driving recklessly. Doing so puts even more citizens at risk. This isn't a Bruce Willis movie. The average good guy with a gun is not trained in this sort of combat, and outcomes can be horrific.

Yes, the Guardian Angels still exist. They are NOT armed.

Home | Guardian Angels

guardianangels.org

The original and main Guardian Angels activity is "safety patrol" in which members walk the streets or ride transit. ... Safety Patrol members are prohibited from carrying weapons and are physically searched by each other before patrolling.

Founder: Curtis Sliwa
Location: New York City, New York, United States
Focus: Public Safety
Founded: 1979

 

[Esdraelon]

look at THAT!! criminality and the American FLAG!!!

That low-life THUG got exactly what he deserved. Those who perpetuate the narrative about him deserve the same.