What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[OKTexas]

Explain to me how a policy that confiscates 100% of the children makes that distinction?

I will wait.

When are you going to get through your head that the federal courts say a child can't be detained more than 9 days. The courts are dictating the removal of children, not the administration.


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Removal of children to where? The streets? back home to their home countries where they belong? in 9 days. Ok.

I never saw the 9 day rule but I'm sure there must be one. Children who accompany parents to detention are either held with parents in a family detention center or they're separated. Currently the administration opts to separate the parents and their children.

The children are turned over to US Health and Human Services who keep them until they are turned over to a foster care agency for placement. In foster care, they are often moved from family to family. Recently it was reported that DHS was unable to determine the whereabouts of nearly 1500 kids. This means the parents will likely be deported without their kids under the Trump zero tolerance policy.

The administration doesn't "opt" for anything. The law says that children cannot be detained longer than 5 days, unless there's a huge backlog of cases, in which case it can be extended to 20 days, but that's it. The administration has no choice, unless you want President Trump to act like King Trump and simply rewrite the law himself (as Obama did).

This is NOT "Trump's policy". HIS policy is not to use this as an excuse to turn the adults loose and let them wander away and vanish.

As for "1500 missing kids", you really need to stop getting your "news" from social media. HHS reported that it made follow-up calls to check on the kids, and about 1500 of them couldn't be reached by phone and their guardians didn't call back. Do you usually overreact and assume someone is "missing" if they don't answer the phone?

It certainly is an option. There are over half dozen family detention centers used by ICE. Families can be detained in family detention centers, but not un-escorted children.

Taking children away from parents is an old and rather discussing tactic used by every administration. It goes like this. Plead no contest or not guilty and you will be united with your family. Plead guilty and you can be detained and separated from your family for up to a year waiting for trial, and no we have no information as to what has happened to your family. Not surprising, almost all parents plead guilty and the administration gets faster deportations.

I think you got that a bit ass backwards.


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[Flopper]

Yes, it does become our problem when they cross our boarders. Mexico does send them back and they grant asylum to only 1 in 20 that apply. With the deteriorating relations between the US and Mexico, they're probably busing them to the US boarder so they'll be our problem.

They are not our problem, Mexico is our problem. It's no different than if we sent these people to the Canadian border. We did it to them. We should not be allowing them to trample across our land into Canada.

Hate to break your bubble, but Mexico does not send these people to the US. Although Mexico is a lot tougher on illegals than we are, a lot get through and they probably don't do much to stop them.

Mexico could certainly do a better job stopping these people in their country so they do not reach our boarder. However, why should they do that? Exactly what is the US doing for Mexico other than insulting and threatening them daily. US Mexican relations are the worst they been in decades, thanks to Trump so I certainly wouldn't expect any help from them on immigration or drug enforcement.

Is that what you think? Then how did our media pickup on the fact this current crop of people were on their way here two weeks before they arrived?

Of course Mexico allows them to come here; they always have. They know why they are coming here and give them their blessing.

Mexico allows them to come here, and then they are our problem. They bring kids with them, and then they are our problem. They disappear and never show up for court, and then they are our problem. Gangs form and sell drugs, and then that is our problem.

Solution to our problem? Close the southern border down completely. I'm sick of problems invading our country and then we have to spend the money and find a solution to those problems.

It's pretty hard not to notice hundreds of people marching across the country headed toward the US boarder.

You don't seem to get it. It is not the responsibility of Mexico to protect our boarders. Does the US stop people headed for the Mexican boarder or the Canadian border?

You're being incredible xenophobia. You consider Honduran families fleeing from violence and seeking refuge as invaders when the problem is not of their making. You lay the blame for gangs selling drugs on immigrants when the real problem is the US huge demand for illegal drugs.

If you're really tired of this shit, then you should be supporting a plan that will actually work regardless of who is in the white house or which party is controlling congress. Trump can't possible come anywhere close to deporting 12 million undocumented immigrants during his term in office. The deportations he's doing now is barely keeping up with the inflow of immigrants. Without support from both parties, nothing is going to change.

But you're never going to get support from both parties--only one. The Democrats goal is to get as many of these immigrants into this country as possible. Why do you suppose they are fighting to keep their sanctuary cities and states? Why do you suppose they stopped Kate's Law? Why do you suppose they are really against the wall? Does this sound like a group of people wanting to stop illegal immigration?

If the US allowed a band of Mexicans to cross our country into Canada, then yes, the US is responsible for not stopping them long before they hit the Canadian border. We should have stopped them at the Mexican border.

Your prospective is clouded by extremist views. All democrat do not want to get every immigrant possible into the country and every republican doesn't want to deport 12 million people. Left leaning democrats and right leaning republican have even less stronger views and true independents tend to swing back and forth on issues. So there is plenty of middle ground.

There are several trends that indicate that the illegal immigration problem will become less of a problem in coming years. Better jobs in Mexico, better pay for farm and factory workers, and better security on our boarder has resulted in a drop in the undocumented immigration population. Pew Research estimated that the numbers have dropped several million. And there no reason to think that that the number will not continue to drop. With the right kind of legislation we can see those numbers drop even faster.

 

[OKTexas]

Link?

Court orders release of detained immigrant kids, not parents | Daily Mail Online

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That is our wonderful justice system and Constitution, NOT LEFTISTS, CONSPIRACY NUT JOBS.

Pass a good work ID card and enforce it. And end this crap.

Why not enforce e-verify?


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E-Verify is mostly a volunteer program. If it becomes mandatory, everyone who works, 150 million would have to be verified to get a job. If only 1% of the data is wrong, it will effect 1.5 million workers. The data for E-verify comes from 20 different databases from over a dozen different agencies so how do you get it corrected? Maybe a better question, how do you get your new employer to hold the job open while you get the E-Verify mess fixed.

Of course most people that hire undocumented immigrants, know they are undocumented and they hire them anyway.

E-verify is voluntary because commiecrats want it that way. And employers that hire illegals should be jailed and their businesses confiscated under RICO. Only a couple would need be arrested and that crap would stop.


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[Ray From Cleveland]

They are not our problem, Mexico is our problem. It's no different than if we sent these people to the Canadian border. We did it to them. We should not be allowing them to trample across our land into Canada.

Hate to break your bubble, but Mexico does not send these people to the US. Although Mexico is a lot tougher on illegals than we are, a lot get through and they probably don't do much to stop them.

Mexico could certainly do a better job stopping these people in their country so they do not reach our boarder. However, why should they do that? Exactly what is the US doing for Mexico other than insulting and threatening them daily. US Mexican relations are the worst they been in decades, thanks to Trump so I certainly wouldn't expect any help from them on immigration or drug enforcement.

Is that what you think? Then how did our media pickup on the fact this current crop of people were on their way here two weeks before they arrived?

Of course Mexico allows them to come here; they always have. They know why they are coming here and give them their blessing.

Mexico allows them to come here, and then they are our problem. They bring kids with them, and then they are our problem. They disappear and never show up for court, and then they are our problem. Gangs form and sell drugs, and then that is our problem.

Solution to our problem? Close the southern border down completely. I'm sick of problems invading our country and then we have to spend the money and find a solution to those problems.

It's pretty hard not to notice hundreds of people marching across the country headed toward the US boarder.

You don't seem to get it. It is not the responsibility of Mexico to protect our boarders. Does the US stop people headed for the Mexican boarder or the Canadian border?

You're being incredible xenophobia. You consider Honduran families fleeing from violence and seeking refuge as invaders when the problem is not of their making. You lay the blame for gangs selling drugs on immigrants when the real problem is the US huge demand for illegal drugs.

If you're really tired of this shit, then you should be supporting a plan that will actually work regardless of who is in the white house or which party is controlling congress. Trump can't possible come anywhere close to deporting 12 million undocumented immigrants during his term in office. The deportations he's doing now is barely keeping up with the inflow of immigrants. Without support from both parties, nothing is going to change.

But you're never going to get support from both parties--only one. The Democrats goal is to get as many of these immigrants into this country as possible. Why do you suppose they are fighting to keep their sanctuary cities and states? Why do you suppose they stopped Kate's Law? Why do you suppose they are really against the wall? Does this sound like a group of people wanting to stop illegal immigration?

If the US allowed a band of Mexicans to cross our country into Canada, then yes, the US is responsible for not stopping them long before they hit the Canadian border. We should have stopped them at the Mexican border.

Your prospective is clouded by extremist views. All democrat do not want to get every immigrant possible into the country and every republican doesn't want to deport 12 million people. Left leaning democrats and right leaning republican have even less stronger views and true independents tend to swing back and forth on issues. So there is plenty of middle ground.

There are several trends that indicate that the illegal immigration problem will become less of a problem in coming years. Better jobs in Mexico, better pay for farm and factory workers, and better security on our boarder has resulted in a drop in the undocumented immigration population. Pew Research estimated that the numbers have dropped several million. And there no reason to think that that the number will not continue to drop. With the right kind of legislation we can see those numbers drop even faster.

Are you going to stand by that? Okay......one more time:

Why are Democrats fighting so hard to keep their sanctuary cities and states?

Why are Democrats fighting so hard to keep the wall from being built; so strongly to the point that they even threatened to shut down the government over it?

Why did Democrats defeat Kate's Law; a law that would imprison felons who returned back to the country after deportation?

Every action they take can only be answered one way: they want as many immigrants in this country as possible. If they ever gain total control over the federal government again, they will grant citizenship to each and every one, and along with citizenship comes the right to vote.

The goal of the Democrat party is to make this country a single-party government forever.

 

[percysunshine]

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I think we should ask Canada about their illegal imigration policy. They seem to be running out of resources dealing with it.

Canada warns immigrants in U.S. about heading north of the border

 

[Flopper]

If you look up "sanctuary cities" you will find that it is NOT a part of the democratic process. It is actually antidemocratic and imposed on us without our consent...And that, given the fact how illegals have disrupted and otherwise shattered our lower class into oblivion, I am not liking this situation to much.

The reality of sanctuary cities is that most of the people that live there simply don't want wholesale deportation of families, friends, employees, and employers that are doing no harm and in some cases an asset to the city. If you live in a sanctuary city and disagree, then vote the suckers out of office.

BTW, a sanctuary city simply limits their cooperation with the federal government's effort to enforce immigration law. The degree of cooperation varies widely between cities just as it varies between individuals. Some city councils pass resolutions declaring that they are a sanctuary city. They don't require that their employees do anything but encourage citizens to respect their neighbors regardless of their nationality. In most of these cities, there is nothing the federal government can do about it. If people don't want to cooperate with the government that is there right. You can't make them.

 

[MaryL]

If you look up "sanctuary cities" you will find that it is NOT a part of the democratic process. It is actually antidemocratic and imposed on us without our consent...And that, given the fact how illegals have disrupted and otherwise shattered our lower class into oblivion, I am not liking this situation to much.

The reality of sanctuary cities is that most of the people that live there simply don't want wholesale deportation of families, friends, employees, and employers that are doing no harm and in some cases an asset to the city. If you live in a sanctuary city and disagree, then vote the suckers out of office.

BTW, a sanctuary city simply limits their cooperation with the federal government's effort to enforce immigration law. The degree of cooperation varies widely between cities just as it varies between individuals. Some city councils pass resolutions declaring that they are a sanctuary city. They don't require that their employees do anything but encourage citizens to respect their neighbors regardless of their nationality. In most of these cities, there is nothing the federal government can do about it. If people don't want to cooperate with the government that is there right. You can't make them.

We see this issue on a far different level here , you don't acknowledge the connection of American poor dispossessed by illegals, despite all that rigmarole, um, why isn't something as significant as making a city a "sanctuary" to illegal aliens up to popular vote? Why shouldn't it be?

 

[candycorn]

Flopper Makes a good point. There are essentially two tickets to state or federal government: one red and the other blue. Left to their own devices, you would likely find large swaths of purple in their wardrobe mixed in with the blue and red overcoats they wear to get elected and keep their office

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If you look up "sanctuary cities" you will find that it is NOT a part of the democratic process. It is actually antidemocratic and imposed on us without our consent...And that, given the fact how illegals have disrupted and otherwise shattered our lower class into oblivion, I am not liking this situation to much.

The reality of sanctuary cities is that most of the people that live there simply don't want wholesale deportation of families, friends, employees, and employers that are doing no harm and in some cases an asset to the city. If you live in a sanctuary city and disagree, then vote the suckers out of office.

BTW, a sanctuary city simply limits their cooperation with the federal government's effort to enforce immigration law. The degree of cooperation varies widely between cities just as it varies between individuals. Some city councils pass resolutions declaring that they are a sanctuary city. They don't require that their employees do anything but encourage citizens to respect their neighbors regardless of their nationality. In most of these cities, there is nothing the federal government can do about it. If people don't want to cooperate with the government that is there right. You can't make them.

Not when liberal activist judges have anything to say about it.........no.

 

[francoHFW]

Ive never heard of a war of murder. A war on drug, yes. Anyways, we haven't won a war since WWII, and even then, we needed help.

Well......I don't believe there was ever a war on women either. Catchy title, but no real wars in reality.

In the past couple of years a few people I knew (and related to) died because of drugs. Legalizing it just isn't a good idea. One time my apartment was robbed by drug addicts, another time a drug addict tenant of mine nearly burned my house down, it's just too much of a problem.

Legalizing all dope would make matters five times worse.

People die because illegal drugs are full of poison. They should at least legalize methadone and other healthier alternatives in programs and treatments. It is now totally out of control. GOP policy Law and Order Nanny state is a disgrace, along with our default GOP immigration policy, Mental Health non-system, living wage not!, Giant tax cuts for the rich and service cuts for everyone else, b******character assassination propaganda machine 4 haters like you. 35 years of regression and garbage. Great job!

You are too brainwashed to discuss this issue; you're too far gone already. Everything in the entire world is the GOP's fault in your tiny mind.

Just since Teddy Roosevelt... Twenties, wrecked League of Nations and World economy, 30s isolationist GOP let Hitler and Japanese run wild, since then stupid Wars and covert anti democracy, then Reagan ism Wrecking our country and the Middle East.

Good argument... Don't worry about history LOL you just get the same horror Time After Time...

 

[francoHFW]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

None of this stuff would be an issue if the Latin American Socialists were not destroying their own countries and driving their populations into flight.

Honduras which is where most of the asylum seekers are coming from is a democratic republic like the US but the leadership is far right. Honduras is a great example what can happen in a poor country under far right conservative leadership. The government, the national and local police are so corrupt it's hard to say whether the gangs or the police are worse.

The most recent numbers available actually show that 80% of refugees seeking asylum in the US come from Africa.

Ah...fleeing the Arab Spring. Another foreign policy gift from Susan Rice.

B******* they are... They are fleeing GOP war zones and sub-Saharan areas still in the corrupt GOP depression... Great job! Tunisia and Libya thank us for the Arab Spring. Egypt the Brotherhood blew it. Syria is a tragedy but they almost got rid of their dictator.

 

[francoHFW]

If you look up "sanctuary cities" you will find that it is NOT a part of the democratic process. It is actually antidemocratic and imposed on us without our consent...And that, given the fact how illegals have disrupted and otherwise shattered our lower class into oblivion, I am not liking this situation to much.

The reality of sanctuary cities is that most of the people that live there simply don't want wholesale deportation of families, friends, employees, and employers that are doing no harm and in some cases an asset to the city. If you live in a sanctuary city and disagree, then vote the suckers out of office.

BTW, a sanctuary city simply limits their cooperation with the federal government's effort to enforce immigration law. The degree of cooperation varies widely between cities just as it varies between individuals. Some city councils pass resolutions declaring that they are a sanctuary city. They don't require that their employees do anything but encourage citizens to respect their neighbors regardless of their nationality. In most of these cities, there is nothing the federal government can do about it. If people don't want to cooperate with the government that is there right. You can't make them.

Not when liberal activist judges have anything to say about it.........no.

It is all our wonderful justice system. Appeal it or it is the right thing. And I don't want to hear any stupid conspiracy theories.

 

[percysunshine]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

None of this stuff would be an issue if the Latin American Socialists were not destroying their own countries and driving their populations into flight.

Honduras which is where most of the asylum seekers are coming from is a democratic republic like the US but the leadership is far right. Honduras is a great example what can happen in a poor country under far right conservative leadership. The government, the national and local police are so corrupt it's hard to say whether the gangs or the police are worse.

The most recent numbers available actually show that 80% of refugees seeking asylum in the US come from Africa.

Ah...fleeing the Arab Spring. Another foreign policy gift from Susan Rice.

B******* they are... They are fleeing GOP war zones and sub-Saharan areas still in the corrupt GOP depression... Great job! Tunisia and Libya thank us for the Arab Spring. Egypt the Brotherhood blew it. Syria is a tragedy but they almost got rid of their dictator.

Is this the part where Hillary kills Qadaffi and turns North Africa into an international arms bazzaar?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If you look up "sanctuary cities" you will find that it is NOT a part of the democratic process. It is actually antidemocratic and imposed on us without our consent...And that, given the fact how illegals have disrupted and otherwise shattered our lower class into oblivion, I am not liking this situation to much.

The reality of sanctuary cities is that most of the people that live there simply don't want wholesale deportation of families, friends, employees, and employers that are doing no harm and in some cases an asset to the city. If you live in a sanctuary city and disagree, then vote the suckers out of office.

BTW, a sanctuary city simply limits their cooperation with the federal government's effort to enforce immigration law. The degree of cooperation varies widely between cities just as it varies between individuals. Some city councils pass resolutions declaring that they are a sanctuary city. They don't require that their employees do anything but encourage citizens to respect their neighbors regardless of their nationality. In most of these cities, there is nothing the federal government can do about it. If people don't want to cooperate with the government that is there right. You can't make them.

Not when liberal activist judges have anything to say about it.........no.

It is all our wonderful justice system. Appeal it or it is the right thing. And I don't want to hear any stupid conspiracy theories.

Bull. What law is there that states the federal government MUST provide funds to anybody? Trump threatened to cut funds to sanctuary cities, and a commie judge forbade it.

 

[MaryL]

If you look up "sanctuary cities" you will find that it is NOT a part of the democratic process. It is actually antidemocratic and imposed on us without our consent...And that, given the fact how illegals have disrupted and otherwise shattered our lower class into oblivion, I am not liking this situation to much.

The reality of sanctuary cities is that most of the people that live there simply don't want wholesale deportation of families, friends, employees, and employers that are doing no harm and in some cases an asset to the city. If you live in a sanctuary city and disagree, then vote the suckers out of office.

BTW, a sanctuary city simply limits their cooperation with the federal government's effort to enforce immigration law. The degree of cooperation varies widely between cities just as it varies between individuals. Some city councils pass resolutions declaring that they are a sanctuary city. They don't require that their employees do anything but encourage citizens to respect their neighbors regardless of their nationality. In most of these cities, there is nothing the federal government can do about it. If people don't want to cooperate with the government that is there right. You can't make them.

Not when liberal activist judges have anything to say about it.........no.

It is all our wonderful justice system. Appeal it or it is the right thing. And I don't want to hear any stupid conspiracy theories.

I have been a juror in Denver, and too many of the plaintiffs were just illegal Mexicans that just ended up being deported. OH, they had families and houses and that ended badly for them Imagine being a juror in that mess. I despise our local or state government for putting us in this position, either way. Nobody got a vote on whether or not we wanted illegals, they just sort of magical and extra judicially/legally appeared here. What is the human cost of allowing illegal aliens? Millions of dollars in wasted time debating this pointless issue. Nobody else in American history has ever gotten sanctuary given to them before.

 

[WelfareQueen]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

Maybe obey our Laws and enter the Country legally? It's a thought.

I have no problem with that. I have no problem with a hearing and, if determined deportation.

Do you think it's necessary to inact this draconian policy in the meantime?

My understanding is that it would be inhumane to house small children in adult detention facilities with potential pedophiles or other serious criminals. Kind of makes sense doesn't? Would you want your 8 year old child housed in a maximum security prison with adult male inmates? My guess is probably not.

That is why kids are adults are separated. Plus...it is the Law. And we are a Nation of Laws or should be.

 

[francoHFW]

None of this stuff would be an issue if the Latin American Socialists were not destroying their own countries and driving their populations into flight.

Honduras which is where most of the asylum seekers are coming from is a democratic republic like the US but the leadership is far right. Honduras is a great example what can happen in a poor country under far right conservative leadership. The government, the national and local police are so corrupt it's hard to say whether the gangs or the police are worse.

The most recent numbers available actually show that 80% of refugees seeking asylum in the US come from Africa.

Ah...fleeing the Arab Spring. Another foreign policy gift from Susan Rice.

B******* they are... They are fleeing GOP war zones and sub-Saharan areas still in the corrupt GOP depression... Great job! Tunisia and Libya thank us for the Arab Spring. Egypt the Brotherhood blew it. Syria is a tragedy but they almost got rid of their dictator.

Is this the part where Hillary kills Qadaffi and turns North Africa into an international arms bazzaar?

I thought the whole country was an Isis slave market, super duper. They are doing fine except for Isis. Isis is about gone.

 

[francoHFW]

Honduras which is where most of the asylum seekers are coming from is a democratic republic like the US but the leadership is far right. Honduras is a great example what can happen in a poor country under far right conservative leadership. The government, the national and local police are so corrupt it's hard to say whether the gangs or the police are worse.

The most recent numbers available actually show that 80% of refugees seeking asylum in the US come from Africa.

Ah...fleeing the Arab Spring. Another foreign policy gift from Susan Rice.

B******* they are... They are fleeing GOP war zones and sub-Saharan areas still in the corrupt GOP depression... Great job! Tunisia and Libya thank us for the Arab Spring. Egypt the Brotherhood blew it. Syria is a tragedy but they almost got rid of their dictator.

Is this the part where Hillary kills Qadaffi and turns North Africa into an international arms bazzaar?

I thought the whole country was an Isis slave market, super duper. They are doing fine except for Isis. Isis is about gone.

Actually they are bit overrun with blacks from sub-Saharan Africa fleeing the George W bush World depression and War which often follows GOP depressions. Great job again stupid GOP and silly dupes like you...

 

[Coyote]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

Maybe obey our Laws and enter the Country legally? It's a thought.

I have no problem with that. I have no problem with a hearing and, if determined deportation.

Do you think it's necessary to inact this draconian policy in the meantime?

My understanding is that it would be inhumane to house small children in adult detention facilities with potential pedophiles or other serious criminals. Kind of makes sense doesn't? Would you want your 8 year old child housed in a maximum security prison with adult male inmates? My guess is probably not.

That is why kids are adults are separated. Plus...it is the Law. And we are a Nation of Laws or should be.

We are a nation of laws but we also can exercise discretion. Families don’t have to be housed in with serious offenders. Kids don’t have to be removed. We exercised this discretion before why not now?

 

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Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

Maybe obey our Laws and enter the Country legally? It's a thought.

I have no problem with that. I have no problem with a hearing and, if determined deportation.

Do you think it's necessary to inact this draconian policy in the meantime?

My understanding is that it would be inhumane to house small children in adult detention facilities with potential pedophiles or other serious criminals. Kind of makes sense doesn't? Would you want your 8 year old child housed in a maximum security prison with adult male inmates? My guess is probably not.

That is why kids are adults are separated. Plus...it is the Law. And we are a Nation of Laws or should be.

We are a nation of laws but we also can exercise discretion. Families don’t have to be housed in with serious offenders. Kids don’t have to be removed. We exercised this discretion before why not now?

Good point.

So we exercised that discretion before, and what result do we have today?