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Doesn't matter.
Illegal Aliens are no longer welcome in the United States.
When we find you we are going to prosecute you.
If that means separating you from the children you foolishly risked when you brought them here illegally... tough $hit.
Just like we separate suspects from innocents in any other form of crime.
Don't like that?
Again... tough $hit.
You should have thought of that before you brought them here.
Not our circus... not our monkeys... not our problem.
You'll get them back when we're done processing your criminal charges.
Or until you voluntarily elect to plea-bargain in return for release on the Mexican side of the border.
Your call... the only "call" you get to make in all of this, once you've crossed over onto (or overstayed on) United States soil without our express prior consent.
Our country... our rules... our laws... our game.
Nobody likes to see a sucker (like the United States) "wise up".
Payback's a bitch, ain't it?
November 8, 2016, defined "We" in the context of opposing Illegal Immigration and its domestic enablers.f
Doesn't matter.
Illegal Aliens are no longer welcome in the United States.
When we find you we are going to prosecute you.
If that means separating you from the children you foolishly risked when you brought them here illegally... tough $hit.
Just like we separate suspects from innocents in any other form of crime.
Don't like that?
Again... tough $hit.
You should have thought of that before you brought them here.
Not our circus... not our monkeys... not our problem.
You'll get them back when we're done processing your criminal charges.
Or until you voluntarily elect to plea-bargain in return for release on the Mexican side of the border.
Your call... the only "call" you get to make in all of this, once you've crossed over onto (or overstayed on) United States soil without our express prior consent.
Our country... our rules... our laws... our game.
Nobody likes to see a sucker (like the United States) "wise up".
Payback's a bitch, ain't it?
One of the 'tells' of fascism is the tendency of its advocates to personally identify with the movement. Making grand claims in the name of 'we', as though they personally will be kicking ass and taking names.
Or maybe you've just read too many comic books.
Declaring Mexico as an enemy of US is really crazy.When a country is invaded by foreign masses, it is at war against its invaders. They should be declared enemy combatants. Currently, we have foreign invaders/occupiers being treated about like convenience store thieves, and given trials in civilian courts.They has have written rather extensively on rights of the accused. I suggest you read what they have to save.
You're arguing that only certain people should have rights in a court of law. Think about what that really means. If the accused does not have rights, then there can be no fair trial. Without fair trials, neither victims nor the accused will have confidence that justice will be done. Without fair trials, trust in government and the rule of law collapses.
This is not how countries should deal with their enemies (ex. Mexico) A news reporter asked my ex Army National Guard battalion commander, how does he deal with his enemies. The Lt. Colonel said >> "In the Army, the way we deal with our enemies is simple. It can be described in just 3 words. We Kill Them."
- Less than 4% of the Mexican people have lived in the US illegally.
- Most of the the illegal immigrants entering the US today are not Mexicans and now less that half the illegal immigrant population is Mexican.
- Mexico is our 3rd most important trading partner responsible for millions of US jobs.
- Finally the Mexican government is not responsible for guarding the US boarder.
You have such screwy assumptions:
1) Flopper - if we build a wall, we can't go after VISA overstays too, we have to pick one
- Bull, we need to go after both and any other way illegals are coming into the country
2) Flopper - only Mexicans are crossing our southern border
- Bull, lots of South Americans too. And so can anyone, including al Qaeda, who fly into Mexico city
3) 40% means a majority - no, 40% is not a majority. Not a math major, were you?
- Of course we can we protect our borders and deal with visa overstays as we should but only in a fair and just manner. Trump's rush to deport as many people as fast as he can is going to backfire badly. The majority of the American public want a path to citizenship not deportation. Bypassing immigration court and his zero tolerance policy is going to hurt a lot of innocent people. For example: What does a businessman father from Ohio, an Arizona mother, the Indiana husband of a Trump supporter all have in common? They were unassuming members of their community, parents of US citizens, and undocumented immigrants order to be deported. They had been in this country for decades, they're employed, had never been arrested, paid their taxes, and were productive members of the community. And what crime did they commit. None. They are guilty of overstaying their visa, a civil infraction that carries no penalty other than deportation. However because of the time they have been in the country, the law says they will be band from reentry for 10 years. How in the world can anyone condom such unjust treatment? And people question why 6 states and hundreds of cities and towns have declared themselves a sanctuary.
- Read my post, "Most of the the illegal immigrants entering the US today are not Mexicans ...".
- It doesn't matter whether it's 40% or 50%, or 60%. The percentage is based on and estimate of the number of undocumented immigrants in the country. It could 9 million, 11 million, 12 million, or more or less. You seem to totally miss the point; the number of people that overstay their visas exceed the number coming over the boarder by a factor 2 to 4 times depending on year.
Declaring Mexico as an enemy of US is really crazy.When a country is invaded by foreign masses, it is at war against its invaders. They should be declared enemy combatants. Currently, we have foreign invaders/occupiers being treated about like convenience store thieves, and given trials in civilian courts.They has have written rather extensively on rights of the accused. I suggest you read what they have to save.
You're arguing that only certain people should have rights in a court of law. Think about what that really means. If the accused does not have rights, then there can be no fair trial. Without fair trials, neither victims nor the accused will have confidence that justice will be done. Without fair trials, trust in government and the rule of law collapses.
This is not how countries should deal with their enemies (ex. Mexico) A news reporter asked my ex Army National Guard battalion commander, how does he deal with his enemies. The Lt. Colonel said >> "In the Army, the way we deal with our enemies is simple. It can be described in just 3 words. We Kill Them."
- Less than 4% of the Mexican people have lived in the US illegally.
- Most of the the illegal immigrants entering the US today are not Mexicans and now less that half the illegal immigrant population is Mexican.
- Mexico is our 3rd most important trading partner responsible for millions of US jobs.
- Finally the Mexican government is not responsible for guarding the US boarder.
Homeland security overstay stats in a given year are equal to the number of visas that expire in that year less the number that exited the country. So when they report the number of overstays of 400,000 or 700,000, that is not a cumulative figure. It is just the number that should have left that year and didn't. So when people claim 40% to 50% of undocumented immigrants came into the country legally, (another way of saying 40% to 50% are visa overstays) it is a reasonable estimate. So if the number of undocumented immigrates is 11 million, then the number due to Visa overstays would be about 4.4 to 5.5 million. Visa overstays are almost always more than the number estimated to have entered the country illegally in a year. There are several exceptions during the last recession.Nearly Half of Illegal Immigrants Overstay Visas
Finally, you wrote something that's worth discussing. If you are simply here illegally then you have overstayed your visa. The number of people that overstay visas is greater than the number entering the country illegally. Yet it gets very little attention from the media.
The problem with making up your stats is how often you're wrong, and you're wrong. There are a lot of VISA overstays, but no, it's not more than illegal border crossings, it's less
Overstaying a visa is a civil violation that carries no jail time or fines, only deportation which is referred to as an adjustment in immigration status, not a penalty. The offense is adjudicated in immigration court, a civil court. In reality, the only defense is mitigating circumstances which there are many that may result in delays in deportation and often voluntary removal with no barring of re-enter.
If you really support tougher laws against illegal immigration, then tracking visa holders needs to change. There is no real tracking system for visa holders and work permits. They are told to keep immigration informed of changes of address. However, half do not, probably because there is no penalty for not doing so. What needs to happen is there should be a penalty for not keeping immigration informed of current addresses and there needs to be a tracking system developed.
Overstaying visas is as much of a problem as illegal entry because those that enter the country illegally are very likely to leave within a year or so. However, people that overstay visas often become permanent undocumented residents.
Everyone who supports a wall supports also tougening laws on Visa overstays. The wall is #1 priority for two reasons. The second reason is the part where you're wrong and the majority of illegal aliens cross the border illegally. The biggest one is that they have at least been checked out and we knew when they came in who they were and were able to check out their history, including their criminal history
I assume that Kaz and Condor have a credible source they can link about the % of illegals that overstayed their visas, because I have two links saying that 40% to 45% are illegal because of overstaying their visas.
Nearly Half of Illegal Immigrants Overstay Visas
FACT CHECK: Did 40 Percent Of All Illegal Immigrants Overstay Legal Visas?
In 2016, the Department of Homeland Security estimated that out of 45 million U.S. arrivals by air and sea whose tourist or business visas expired in fiscal year 2015, about 416,500 people remained in the country in 2016.
However, that data only covers a small slice of the undocumented population, capturing one year of data and omitting people who arrived via land. Also, the report did not provide a breakdown by state.
In 2006, the Pew Research Center estimated that as much as "45 percent of the total unauthorized migrant population entered the country with visas that allowed them to visit or reside in the U.S. for a limited amount of time."
That report relied on a 1997 study from the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which concluded that in 1996, 41 percent of illegal immigrants had entered the United States legally.
Did most of Florida undocumented immigrants overstay visas?
Note that these Stats don't always agree in the media because Homeland Security reports fiscal years (ending in Oct). The media will often adjust this figure for calendar years if it supports their story.
Immigration Data & Statistics
From legal standpoint what you're saying doesn't make any sense at all. You say, "If you come here illegally, you should not have constitutional rights..". If a person is accused of entering the country illegally but that person disputes the claim, does that person have a right to fair trial?They has have written rather extensively on rights of the accused. I suggest you read what they have to save.Do you really think if Madison were alive today, he would support constitutional rights of captured terrorists that want to kill as many Americans as they could?
No one defends the rights of terrorists. We defend the rights of people accused of being terrorists. Because any of us can be accused.
If you are an American, yes you have rights. But I don't believe our founders (if alive today) would approve of us giving overseas terrorists constitutional rights in our country which they want to end.
You're arguing that only certain people should have rights in a court of law. Think about what that really means. If the accused does not have rights, then there can be no fair trial. Without fair trials, neither victims nor the accused will have confidence that justice will be done. Without fair trials, trust in government and the rule of law collapses.
The only people that should have any constitutional rights are foreigners who are welcome here and of course any American. If you come here illegally, you should not have constitutional rights and don't tell me what the founders thought because there were no restrictions on immigrants at the time. That came later.
These people are using our laws to game the system. Of course they have no fear of coming here. Look how big of a deal we are making by just taking their children away while they are being processed. There people are laughing at our stupidity. Try going into their countries illegally and see what rights you get there.
Mexican sends us their poor people, to illegally invade our land, occupy it, steal our jobs, raid our tax treasuries for as much benefits$$ as they can manage to grab from us, and raid our econmy for $28 Billion/year in remittances.Declaring Mexico as an enemy of US is really crazy.
- Less than 4% of the Mexican people have lived in the US illegally.
- Most of the the illegal immigrants entering the US today are not Mexicans and now less that half the illegal immigrant population is Mexican.
- Mexico is our 3rd most important trading partner responsible for millions of US jobs.
- Finally the Mexican government is not responsible for guarding the US boarder.
Wow, such hate against millions of people that remained in the US after their Visa expired which is not even a criminal offense. About 40% to 50% of our undocumented immigrants fall into this category.Doesn't matter.Declaring Mexico as an enemy of US is really crazy.When a country is invaded by foreign masses, it is at war against its invaders. They should be declared enemy combatants. Currently, we have foreign invaders/occupiers being treated about like convenience store thieves, and given trials in civilian courts.They has have written rather extensively on rights of the accused. I suggest you read what they have to save.
You're arguing that only certain people should have rights in a court of law. Think about what that really means. If the accused does not have rights, then there can be no fair trial. Without fair trials, neither victims nor the accused will have confidence that justice will be done. Without fair trials, trust in government and the rule of law collapses.
This is not how countries should deal with their enemies (ex. Mexico) A news reporter asked my ex Army National Guard battalion commander, how does he deal with his enemies. The Lt. Colonel said >> "In the Army, the way we deal with our enemies is simple. It can be described in just 3 words. We Kill Them."
- Less than 4% of the Mexican people have lived in the US illegally.
- Most of the the illegal immigrants entering the US today are not Mexicans and now less that half the illegal immigrant population is Mexican.
- Mexico is our 3rd most important trading partner responsible for millions of US jobs.
- Finally the Mexican government is not responsible for guarding the US boarder.
Illegal Aliens are no longer welcome in the United States.
When we find you we are going to prosecute you.
If that means separating you from the children you foolishly risked when you brought them here illegally... tough $hit.
Just like we separate suspects from innocents in any other form of crime.
Don't like that?
Again... tough $hit.
You should have thought of that before you brought them here.
Not our circus... not our monkeys... not our problem.
You'll get them back when we're done processing your criminal charges.
Or until you voluntarily elect to plea-bargain in return for release on the Mexican side of the border.
Your call... the only "call" you get to make in all of this, once you've crossed over onto (or overstayed on) United States soil without our express prior consent.
Our country... our rules... our laws... our game.
Nobody likes to see a sucker (like the United States) "wise up".
Payback's a bitch, ain't it?
Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:
"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."
Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.
Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents
The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.
"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.
I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.
When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.
It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.
In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.
By building a stupid wall that will not work? Duped again...November 8, 2016, defined "We" in the context of opposing Illegal Immigration and its domestic enablers.f
Doesn't matter.
Illegal Aliens are no longer welcome in the United States.
When we find you we are going to prosecute you.
If that means separating you from the children you foolishly risked when you brought them here illegally... tough $hit.
Just like we separate suspects from innocents in any other form of crime.
Don't like that?
Again... tough $hit.
You should have thought of that before you brought them here.
Not our circus... not our monkeys... not our problem.
You'll get them back when we're done processing your criminal charges.
Or until you voluntarily elect to plea-bargain in return for release on the Mexican side of the border.
Your call... the only "call" you get to make in all of this, once you've crossed over onto (or overstayed on) United States soil without our express prior consent.
Our country... our rules... our laws... our game.
Nobody likes to see a sucker (like the United States) "wise up".
Payback's a bitch, ain't it?
One of the 'tells' of fascism is the tendency of its advocates to personally identify with the movement. Making grand claims in the name of 'we', as though they personally will be kicking ass and taking names.
Or maybe you've just read too many comic books.
These are people asking for Asylum, there is no reason to be cruel to them, super hater dupe.Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:
"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."
Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.
Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents
The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.
"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.
I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.
When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.
It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.
In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.
What a crappy thing the parents do to their kids by bringing them across the border.
so many are fleeing gang violence that we have caused... So Legalize It And pass the 2010 Democratic comprehensive immigration bill with SSID card that can't be faked. The only solution.Wow, such hate against millions of people that remained in the US after their Visa expired which is not even a criminal offense. About 40% to 50% of our undocumented immigrants fall into this category.Doesn't matter.Declaring Mexico as an enemy of US is really crazy.When a country is invaded by foreign masses, it is at war against its invaders. They should be declared enemy combatants. Currently, we have foreign invaders/occupiers being treated about like convenience store thieves, and given trials in civilian courts.They has have written rather extensively on rights of the accused. I suggest you read what they have to save.
You're arguing that only certain people should have rights in a court of law. Think about what that really means. If the accused does not have rights, then there can be no fair trial. Without fair trials, neither victims nor the accused will have confidence that justice will be done. Without fair trials, trust in government and the rule of law collapses.
This is not how countries should deal with their enemies (ex. Mexico) A news reporter asked my ex Army National Guard battalion commander, how does he deal with his enemies. The Lt. Colonel said >> "In the Army, the way we deal with our enemies is simple. It can be described in just 3 words. We Kill Them."
- Less than 4% of the Mexican people have lived in the US illegally.
- Most of the the illegal immigrants entering the US today are not Mexicans and now less that half the illegal immigrant population is Mexican.
- Mexico is our 3rd most important trading partner responsible for millions of US jobs.
- Finally the Mexican government is not responsible for guarding the US boarder.
Illegal Aliens are no longer welcome in the United States.
When we find you we are going to prosecute you.
If that means separating you from the children you foolishly risked when you brought them here illegally... tough $hit.
Just like we separate suspects from innocents in any other form of crime.
Don't like that?
Again... tough $hit.
You should have thought of that before you brought them here.
Not our circus... not our monkeys... not our problem.
You'll get them back when we're done processing your criminal charges.
Or until you voluntarily elect to plea-bargain in return for release on the Mexican side of the border.
Your call... the only "call" you get to make in all of this, once you've crossed over onto (or overstayed on) United States soil without our express prior consent.
Our country... our rules... our laws... our game.
Nobody likes to see a sucker (like the United States) "wise up".
Payback's a bitch, ain't it?
I don't think there are many Americans that welcome illegal immigrants but there are a lot of people that don't want to see them punished or deported. They want a more humane solution to the problem. These people didn't come her to rape and pillage. They came here to work and earn enough money to support their family, often at considerable danger to themselves which is a lot more than many Americans are willing to do.
No, I'm not saying it's ok to break our laws. I'm saying, let the punishment fit the crime. And in the case of those that overstayed their Visas, about 40% to 50% of the undocumented immigrant, they are not guilty of any crime. At most, they are guilty of a civil violation.Declaring Mexico as an enemy of US is really crazy.When a country is invaded by foreign masses, it is at war against its invaders. They should be declared enemy combatants. Currently, we have foreign invaders/occupiers being treated about like convenience store thieves, and given trials in civilian courts.They has have written rather extensively on rights of the accused. I suggest you read what they have to save.
You're arguing that only certain people should have rights in a court of law. Think about what that really means. If the accused does not have rights, then there can be no fair trial. Without fair trials, neither victims nor the accused will have confidence that justice will be done. Without fair trials, trust in government and the rule of law collapses.
This is not how countries should deal with their enemies (ex. Mexico) A news reporter asked my ex Army National Guard battalion commander, how does he deal with his enemies. The Lt. Colonel said >> "In the Army, the way we deal with our enemies is simple. It can be described in just 3 words. We Kill Them."
- Less than 4% of the Mexican people have lived in the US illegally.
- Most of the the illegal immigrants entering the US today are not Mexicans and now less that half the illegal immigrant population is Mexican.
- Mexico is our 3rd most important trading partner responsible for millions of US jobs.
- Finally the Mexican government is not responsible for guarding the US boarder.
You have such screwy assumptions:
1) Flopper - if we build a wall, we can't go after VISA overstays too, we have to pick one
- Bull, we need to go after both and any other way illegals are coming into the country
2) Flopper - only Mexicans are crossing our southern border
- Bull, lots of South Americans too. And so can anyone, including al Qaeda, who fly into Mexico city
3) 40% means a majority - no, 40% is not a majority. Not a math major, were you?
- Of course we can we protect our borders and deal with visa overstays as we should but only in a fair and just manner. Trump's rush to deport as many people as fast as he can is going to backfire badly. The majority of the American public want a path to citizenship not deportation. Bypassing immigration court and his zero tolerance policy is going to hurt a lot of innocent people. For example: What does a businessman father from Ohio, an Arizona mother, the Indiana husband of a Trump supporter all have in common? They were unassuming members of their community, parents of US citizens, and undocumented immigrants order to be deported. They had been in this country for decades, they're employed, had never been arrested, paid their taxes, and were productive members of the community. And what crime did they commit. None. They are guilty of overstaying their visa, a civil infraction that carries no penalty other than deportation. However because of the time they have been in the country, the law says they will be band from reentry for 10 years. How in the world can anyone condom such unjust treatment? And people question why 6 states and hundreds of cities and towns have declared themselves a sanctuary.
- Read my post, "Most of the the illegal immigrants entering the US today are not Mexicans ...".
- It doesn't matter whether it's 40% or 50%, or 60%. The percentage is based on and estimate of the number of undocumented immigrants in the country. It could 9 million, 11 million, 12 million, or more or less. You seem to totally miss the point; the number of people that overstay their visas exceed the number coming over the boarder by a factor 2 to 4 times depending on year.
So what you're saying is it's okay if they break our laws, just as long as they show they are upstanding citizens.
Well that's a message we want to send to the other 8.5 billion people on this planet, isn't it?
You people on the left are constantly comparing us to other countries........except when it comes to borders, immigration laws and handling of intruders. There are not many other countries that would put up with as much as we have put up with when it comes to immigration.
Especially in our sanctuary cities, we give them drivers licenses so they can get to work they are not supposed to have. Those cities give them protection from ICE and other agencies. We allow them to rent apartments and houses. They get to send their illegal children to our schools, and in some cases, hold up the class because they can't speak English. They can even get credit cards.
Is it any wonder why they come here, and now we're going to complain because we take their children from them when they enter this country? Add free babysitting on top of the list above.
Fine, how would you do it?No, I'm not saying it's ok to break our laws. I'm saying, let the punishment fit the crime. And in the case of those that overstayed their Visas, about 40% to 50% of the undocumented immigrant, they are not guilty of any crime. At most, they are guilty of a civil violation.Declaring Mexico as an enemy of US is really crazy.When a country is invaded by foreign masses, it is at war against its invaders. They should be declared enemy combatants. Currently, we have foreign invaders/occupiers being treated about like convenience store thieves, and given trials in civilian courts.
This is not how countries should deal with their enemies (ex. Mexico) A news reporter asked my ex Army National Guard battalion commander, how does he deal with his enemies. The Lt. Colonel said >> "In the Army, the way we deal with our enemies is simple. It can be described in just 3 words. We Kill Them."
- Less than 4% of the Mexican people have lived in the US illegally.
- Most of the the illegal immigrants entering the US today are not Mexicans and now less that half the illegal immigrant population is Mexican.
- Mexico is our 3rd most important trading partner responsible for millions of US jobs.
- Finally the Mexican government is not responsible for guarding the US boarder.
You have such screwy assumptions:
1) Flopper - if we build a wall, we can't go after VISA overstays too, we have to pick one
- Bull, we need to go after both and any other way illegals are coming into the country
2) Flopper - only Mexicans are crossing our southern border
- Bull, lots of South Americans too. And so can anyone, including al Qaeda, who fly into Mexico city
3) 40% means a majority - no, 40% is not a majority. Not a math major, were you?
- Of course we can we protect our borders and deal with visa overstays as we should but only in a fair and just manner. Trump's rush to deport as many people as fast as he can is going to backfire badly. The majority of the American public want a path to citizenship not deportation. Bypassing immigration court and his zero tolerance policy is going to hurt a lot of innocent people. For example: What does a businessman father from Ohio, an Arizona mother, the Indiana husband of a Trump supporter all have in common? They were unassuming members of their community, parents of US citizens, and undocumented immigrants order to be deported. They had been in this country for decades, they're employed, had never been arrested, paid their taxes, and were productive members of the community. And what crime did they commit. None. They are guilty of overstaying their visa, a civil infraction that carries no penalty other than deportation. However because of the time they have been in the country, the law says they will be band from reentry for 10 years. How in the world can anyone condom such unjust treatment? And people question why 6 states and hundreds of cities and towns have declared themselves a sanctuary.
- Read my post, "Most of the the illegal immigrants entering the US today are not Mexicans ...".
- It doesn't matter whether it's 40% or 50%, or 60%. The percentage is based on and estimate of the number of undocumented immigrants in the country. It could 9 million, 11 million, 12 million, or more or less. You seem to totally miss the point; the number of people that overstay their visas exceed the number coming over the boarder by a factor 2 to 4 times depending on year.
So what you're saying is it's okay if they break our laws, just as long as they show they are upstanding citizens.
Well that's a message we want to send to the other 8.5 billion people on this planet, isn't it?
You people on the left are constantly comparing us to other countries........except when it comes to borders, immigration laws and handling of intruders. There are not many other countries that would put up with as much as we have put up with when it comes to immigration.
Especially in our sanctuary cities, we give them drivers licenses so they can get to work they are not supposed to have. Those cities give them protection from ICE and other agencies. We allow them to rent apartments and houses. They get to send their illegal children to our schools, and in some cases, hold up the class because they can't speak English. They can even get credit cards.
Is it any wonder why they come here, and now we're going to complain because we take their children from them when they enter this country? Add free babysitting on top of the list above.
Just because I think undocumented immigrants should be treated fairly and humane does not mean I want open boarders. I actually want the same thing you want, a solution to the problem of illegal immigration. I just disagree with how you want it done.
No, I'm not saying it's ok to break our laws. I'm saying, let the punishment fit the crime. And in the case of those that overstayed their Visas, about 40% to 50% of the undocumented immigrant, they are not guilty of any crime. At most, they are guilty of a civil violation.Declaring Mexico as an enemy of US is really crazy.When a country is invaded by foreign masses, it is at war against its invaders. They should be declared enemy combatants. Currently, we have foreign invaders/occupiers being treated about like convenience store thieves, and given trials in civilian courts.
This is not how countries should deal with their enemies (ex. Mexico) A news reporter asked my ex Army National Guard battalion commander, how does he deal with his enemies. The Lt. Colonel said >> "In the Army, the way we deal with our enemies is simple. It can be described in just 3 words. We Kill Them."
- Less than 4% of the Mexican people have lived in the US illegally.
- Most of the the illegal immigrants entering the US today are not Mexicans and now less that half the illegal immigrant population is Mexican.
- Mexico is our 3rd most important trading partner responsible for millions of US jobs.
- Finally the Mexican government is not responsible for guarding the US boarder.
You have such screwy assumptions:
1) Flopper - if we build a wall, we can't go after VISA overstays too, we have to pick one
- Bull, we need to go after both and any other way illegals are coming into the country
2) Flopper - only Mexicans are crossing our southern border
- Bull, lots of South Americans too. And so can anyone, including al Qaeda, who fly into Mexico city
3) 40% means a majority - no, 40% is not a majority. Not a math major, were you?
- Of course we can we protect our borders and deal with visa overstays as we should but only in a fair and just manner. Trump's rush to deport as many people as fast as he can is going to backfire badly. The majority of the American public want a path to citizenship not deportation. Bypassing immigration court and his zero tolerance policy is going to hurt a lot of innocent people. For example: What does a businessman father from Ohio, an Arizona mother, the Indiana husband of a Trump supporter all have in common? They were unassuming members of their community, parents of US citizens, and undocumented immigrants order to be deported. They had been in this country for decades, they're employed, had never been arrested, paid their taxes, and were productive members of the community. And what crime did they commit. None. They are guilty of overstaying their visa, a civil infraction that carries no penalty other than deportation. However because of the time they have been in the country, the law says they will be band from reentry for 10 years. How in the world can anyone condom such unjust treatment? And people question why 6 states and hundreds of cities and towns have declared themselves a sanctuary.
- Read my post, "Most of the the illegal immigrants entering the US today are not Mexicans ...".
- It doesn't matter whether it's 40% or 50%, or 60%. The percentage is based on and estimate of the number of undocumented immigrants in the country. It could 9 million, 11 million, 12 million, or more or less. You seem to totally miss the point; the number of people that overstay their visas exceed the number coming over the boarder by a factor 2 to 4 times depending on year.
So what you're saying is it's okay if they break our laws, just as long as they show they are upstanding citizens.
Well that's a message we want to send to the other 8.5 billion people on this planet, isn't it?
You people on the left are constantly comparing us to other countries........except when it comes to borders, immigration laws and handling of intruders. There are not many other countries that would put up with as much as we have put up with when it comes to immigration.
Especially in our sanctuary cities, we give them drivers licenses so they can get to work they are not supposed to have. Those cities give them protection from ICE and other agencies. We allow them to rent apartments and houses. They get to send their illegal children to our schools, and in some cases, hold up the class because they can't speak English. They can even get credit cards.
Is it any wonder why they come here, and now we're going to complain because we take their children from them when they enter this country? Add free babysitting on top of the list above.
Just because I think undocumented immigrants should be treated fairly and humane does not mean I want open boarders. I actually want the same thing you want, a solution to the problem of illegal immigration. I just disagree with how you want it done.
But SOME of them them DO rape, and most (if not almost all) of them DO pillage by wiring their wages > $138 Billion/year (Pew Research Center) back to their home country. $$$ extracted out of the US economy. Re-inserted into the home country's economy.
I don't think there are many Americans that welcome illegal immigrants but there are a lot of people that don't want to see them punished or deported. They want a more humane solution to the problem. These people didn't come her to rape and pillage. They came here to work and earn enough money to support their family, often at considerable danger to themselves which is a lot more than many Americans are willing to do.
/——/ When we say stop punishing children with abortion, libtards screech “Choice.”Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:
"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."
Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.
Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents
The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.
"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.
I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.
When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.
It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.
In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.
Isn’t it time that bleeding heart suckers add some credibility to this whining by starting with the condemnation of the piece of shit criminal wetback parents first?
Whatta ya say...seem like rudimentary logic to you?
And another one who thinks punishing children is a suitable response. Way to go dude.
That card doesn't show an employer that they're here legally. To do that they would need a birth certificate or naturalization papers.so many are fleeing gang violence that we have caused... So Legalize It And pass the 2010 Democratic comprehensive immigration bill with SSID card that can't be faked. The only solution.
No, I'm not saying it's ok to break our laws. I'm saying, let the punishment fit the crime. And in the case of those that overstayed their Visas, about 40% to 50% of the undocumented immigrant, they are not guilty of any crime. At most, they are guilty of a civil violation.Declaring Mexico as an enemy of US is really crazy.When a country is invaded by foreign masses, it is at war against its invaders. They should be declared enemy combatants. Currently, we have foreign invaders/occupiers being treated about like convenience store thieves, and given trials in civilian courts.
This is not how countries should deal with their enemies (ex. Mexico) A news reporter asked my ex Army National Guard battalion commander, how does he deal with his enemies. The Lt. Colonel said >> "In the Army, the way we deal with our enemies is simple. It can be described in just 3 words. We Kill Them."
- Less than 4% of the Mexican people have lived in the US illegally.
- Most of the the illegal immigrants entering the US today are not Mexicans and now less that half the illegal immigrant population is Mexican.
- Mexico is our 3rd most important trading partner responsible for millions of US jobs.
- Finally the Mexican government is not responsible for guarding the US boarder.
You have such screwy assumptions:
1) Flopper - if we build a wall, we can't go after VISA overstays too, we have to pick one
- Bull, we need to go after both and any other way illegals are coming into the country
2) Flopper - only Mexicans are crossing our southern border
- Bull, lots of South Americans too. And so can anyone, including al Qaeda, who fly into Mexico city
3) 40% means a majority - no, 40% is not a majority. Not a math major, were you?
- Of course we can we protect our borders and deal with visa overstays as we should but only in a fair and just manner. Trump's rush to deport as many people as fast as he can is going to backfire badly. The majority of the American public want a path to citizenship not deportation. Bypassing immigration court and his zero tolerance policy is going to hurt a lot of innocent people. For example: What does a businessman father from Ohio, an Arizona mother, the Indiana husband of a Trump supporter all have in common? They were unassuming members of their community, parents of US citizens, and undocumented immigrants order to be deported. They had been in this country for decades, they're employed, had never been arrested, paid their taxes, and were productive members of the community. And what crime did they commit. None. They are guilty of overstaying their visa, a civil infraction that carries no penalty other than deportation. However because of the time they have been in the country, the law says they will be band from reentry for 10 years. How in the world can anyone condom such unjust treatment? And people question why 6 states and hundreds of cities and towns have declared themselves a sanctuary.
- Read my post, "Most of the the illegal immigrants entering the US today are not Mexicans ...".
- It doesn't matter whether it's 40% or 50%, or 60%. The percentage is based on and estimate of the number of undocumented immigrants in the country. It could 9 million, 11 million, 12 million, or more or less. You seem to totally miss the point; the number of people that overstay their visas exceed the number coming over the boarder by a factor 2 to 4 times depending on year.
So what you're saying is it's okay if they break our laws, just as long as they show they are upstanding citizens.
Well that's a message we want to send to the other 8.5 billion people on this planet, isn't it?
You people on the left are constantly comparing us to other countries........except when it comes to borders, immigration laws and handling of intruders. There are not many other countries that would put up with as much as we have put up with when it comes to immigration.
Especially in our sanctuary cities, we give them drivers licenses so they can get to work they are not supposed to have. Those cities give them protection from ICE and other agencies. We allow them to rent apartments and houses. They get to send their illegal children to our schools, and in some cases, hold up the class because they can't speak English. They can even get credit cards.
Is it any wonder why they come here, and now we're going to complain because we take their children from them when they enter this country? Add free babysitting on top of the list above.
Just because I think undocumented immigrants should be treated fairly and humane does not mean I want open boarders. I actually want the same thing you want, a solution to the problem of illegal immigration. I just disagree with how you want it done.
