What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[kaz]

Declaring Mexico as an enemy of US is really crazy.

• Less than 4% of the Mexican people have lived in the US illegally.
• Most of the the illegal immigrants entering the US today are not Mexicans and now less that half the illegal immigrant population is Mexican.
• Mexico is our 3rd most important trading partner responsible for millions of US jobs.
• Finally the Mexican government is not responsible for guarding the US boarder.

You have such screwy assumptions:

1) Flopper - if we build a wall, we can't go after VISA overstays too, we have to pick one

- Bull, we need to go after both and any other way illegals are coming into the country

2) Flopper - only Mexicans are crossing our southern border

- Bull, lots of South Americans too. And so can anyone, including al Qaeda, who fly into Mexico city

3) 40% means a majority - no, 40% is not a majority. Not a math major, were you?

1. Of course we can we protect our borders and deal with visa overstays as we should but only in a fair and just manner. Trump's rush to deport as many people as fast as he can is going to backfire badly. The majority of the American public want a path to citizenship not deportation. Bypassing immigration court and his zero tolerance policy is going to hurt a lot of innocent people. For example: What does a businessman father from Ohio, an Arizona mother, the Indiana husband of a Trump supporter all have in common? They were unassuming members of their community, parents of US citizens, and undocumented immigrants order to be deported. They had been in this country for decades, they're employed, had never been arrested, paid their taxes, and were productive members of the community. And what crime did they commit. None. They are guilty of overstaying their visa, a civil infraction that carries no penalty other than deportation. However because of the time they have been in the country, the law says they will be band from reentry for 10 years. How in the world can anyone condom such unjust treatment? And people question why 6 states and hundreds of cities and towns have declared themselves a sanctuary.
2. Read my post, "Most of the the illegal immigrants entering the US today are not Mexicans ...".
3. It doesn't matter whether it's 40% or 50%, or 60%. The percentage is based on and estimate of the number of undocumented immigrants in the country. It could 9 million, 11 million, 12 million, or more or less. You seem to totally miss the point; the number of people that overstay their visas exceed the number coming over the boarder by a factor 2 to 4 times depending on year.

So what you're saying is it's okay if they break our laws, just as long as they show they are upstanding citizens.

Well that's a message we want to send to the other 8.5 billion people on this planet, isn't it?

You people on the left are constantly comparing us to other countries........except when it comes to borders, immigration laws and handling of intruders. There are not many other countries that would put up with as much as we have put up with when it comes to immigration.

Especially in our sanctuary cities, we give them drivers licenses so they can get to work they are not supposed to have. Those cities give them protection from ICE and other agencies. We allow them to rent apartments and houses. They get to send their illegal children to our schools, and in some cases, hold up the class because they can't speak English. They can even get credit cards.

Is it any wonder why they come here, and now we're going to complain because we take their children from them when they enter this country? Add free babysitting on top of the list above.

No, I'm not saying it's ok to break our laws. I'm saying, let the punishment fit the crime. And in the case of those that overstayed their Visas, about 40% to 50% of the undocumented immigrant, they are not guilty of any crime. At most, they are guilty of a civil violation.

Just because I think undocumented immigrants should be treated fairly and humane does not mean I want open boarders. I actually want the same thing you want, a solution to the problem of illegal immigration. I just disagree with how you want it done.

Fine, how would you do it?

Flopper wants to punish illegal aliens by giving them drivers licenses, letting them vote, giving them welfare, giving them a free education, giving them free medical care ...

 

[kaz]

Nope, a person is not guilty of any illegal act without a court ruling. That ruling can take the form of agreeing to deportation and waving a hearing or trial.

The days when Latinos were thrown in the back of a truck and dumped across the boarder with no due process aren't here yet, but it's on the way.

Only citizens are entitled to due process

Anyone living in the U.S. — legally or not — has constitutional rights, including the right to equal protection of the law and that of due process (fair treatment in the judicial system). Immigration officers are not required nor do they advise detainees of their rights so they often assume they have none. That's why most detainees do not have lawyers and wave their rights and accept deportation which of course is really dumb.
What Constitutional Rights Do Undocumented Immigrants Have When on American Soil? - Illegal Immigration - ProCon.org

See last post

Link?

It's not in the Constitution. The Constitution is "We the People," not "We the People and anyone who legally or illegally resides on our territory." Game, set and match.

As for the idiocy of what you're arguing, name another country that grants the rights of citizens to foreigners, much less ones there illegally ...

Flopper: {crickets}

 

[protectionist]

Well I'm getting ready to go to work now. I drive a truck so it's mandated I have a CDL license. If I got caught driving without one or it expires, I can get a 10K fine and jail time just for an expired license.

Until we find a full proof way of getting rid of all illegals, the best thing we can do now is make it as uninviting as possible for them to come here. Make it a law that states cannot issue drivers licenses. Make it a law that banks cannot give loans or extend credit to these people. Make it a law that we landlords have to run a check on any foreigner that wants to rent from us and give us a way to do that. Increase penalties for those who hire them. All pupils of public school are checked out that they or their parents are of legal status.

I moved out of California in 1989. Sad to say this, but it is a lost cause. Democrats have imported so many of the invaders to stack the ballot boxes with their votes, that they are now indebted to them, and must pander to their wishes.

It might be easier to get a cow to jump over the moon than get legislation in California in opposition to illegal aliens. California has become an extension of Mexico. The best thing that could be done regarding California, and its millions of illegal aliens, is to pass a law making California no longer part of the USA.

If Mexico wants it, they can have it. Summer fires, winter floods/mudslides, eathquakes and all.

 

[kaz]

Declaring Mexico as an enemy of US is really crazy.

• Less than 4% of the Mexican people have lived in the US illegally.
• Most of the the illegal immigrants entering the US today are not Mexicans and now less that half the illegal immigrant population is Mexican.
• Mexico is our 3rd most important trading partner responsible for millions of US jobs.
• Finally the Mexican government is not responsible for guarding the US boarder.

You have such screwy assumptions:

1) Flopper - if we build a wall, we can't go after VISA overstays too, we have to pick one

- Bull, we need to go after both and any other way illegals are coming into the country

2) Flopper - only Mexicans are crossing our southern border

- Bull, lots of South Americans too. And so can anyone, including al Qaeda, who fly into Mexico city

3) 40% means a majority - no, 40% is not a majority. Not a math major, were you?

1. Of course we can we protect our borders and deal with visa overstays as we should but only in a fair and just manner. Trump's rush to deport as many people as fast as he can is going to backfire badly. The majority of the American public want a path to citizenship not deportation. Bypassing immigration court and his zero tolerance policy is going to hurt a lot of innocent people. For example: What does a businessman father from Ohio, an Arizona mother, the Indiana husband of a Trump supporter all have in common? They were unassuming members of their community, parents of US citizens, and undocumented immigrants order to be deported. They had been in this country for decades, they're employed, had never been arrested, paid their taxes, and were productive members of the community. And what crime did they commit. None. They are guilty of overstaying their visa, a civil infraction that carries no penalty other than deportation. However because of the time they have been in the country, the law says they will be band from reentry for 10 years. How in the world can anyone condom such unjust treatment? And people question why 6 states and hundreds of cities and towns have declared themselves a sanctuary.
2. Read my post, "Most of the the illegal immigrants entering the US today are not Mexicans ...".
3. It doesn't matter whether it's 40% or 50%, or 60%. The percentage is based on and estimate of the number of undocumented immigrants in the country. It could 9 million, 11 million, 12 million, or more or less. You seem to totally miss the point; the number of people that overstay their visas exceed the number coming over the boarder by a factor 2 to 4 times depending on year.

So what you're saying is it's okay if they break our laws, just as long as they show they are upstanding citizens.

Well that's a message we want to send to the other 8.5 billion people on this planet, isn't it?

You people on the left are constantly comparing us to other countries........except when it comes to borders, immigration laws and handling of intruders. There are not many other countries that would put up with as much as we have put up with when it comes to immigration.

Especially in our sanctuary cities, we give them drivers licenses so they can get to work they are not supposed to have. Those cities give them protection from ICE and other agencies. We allow them to rent apartments and houses. They get to send their illegal children to our schools, and in some cases, hold up the class because they can't speak English. They can even get credit cards.

Is it any wonder why they come here, and now we're going to complain because we take their children from them when they enter this country? Add free babysitting on top of the list above.

No, I'm not saying it's ok to break our laws. I'm saying, let the punishment fit the crime. And in the case of those that overstayed their Visas, about 40% to 50% of the undocumented immigrant, they are not guilty of any crime. At most, they are guilty of a civil violation.

Just because I think undocumented immigrants should be treated fairly and humane does not mean I want open boarders. I actually want the same thing you want, a solution to the problem of illegal immigration. I just disagree with how you want it done.

Well I'm getting ready to go to work now. I drive a truck so it's mandated I have a CDL license. If I got caught driving without one or it expires, I can get a 10K fine and jail time just for an expired license.

Until we find a full proof way of getting rid of all illegals, the best thing we can do now is make it as uninviting as possible for them to come here. Make it a law that states cannot issue drivers licenses. Make it a law that banks cannot give loans or extend credit to these people. Make it a law that we landlords have to run a check on any foreigner that wants to rent from us and give us a way to do that. Increase penalties for those who hire them. All pupils of public school are checked out that they or their parents are of legal status.

We should implement civil forfeiture for illegal aliens. What a great tool that would be for places like Texas and Orange County that want to keep illegal aliens out. And the money can be spent to build a wall for starters

 

[protectionist]

These are people asking for Asylum, there is no reason to be cruel to them, super hater dupe.

What do unscrupulous countries do to get rid of their poor people (who they don't want to pay for), and their criminals (who they don't want to impri$on) ? They send them to the USA, and tell them to ask for Asylum. The new immigration scam.

 

[protectionist]

By building a stupid wall that will not work? Duped again...

How 65 countries have erected security walls on their borders | Daily Mail Online

 

[kaz]

By building a stupid wall that will not work? Duped again...

Leftists don't oppose building a wall because they think it won't work, they oppose a wall because they know it will. They support nothing but programs that won't work

 

[protectionist]

I assume that Kaz and Condor have a credible source they can link about the % of illegals that overstayed their visas, because I have two links saying that 40% to 45% are illegal because of overstaying their visas.

Nearly Half of Illegal Immigrants Overstay Visas

FACT CHECK: Did 40 Percent Of All Illegal Immigrants Overstay Legal Visas?

Who cares how they manage to be here ? The problem is, they're HERE. Get rid of them. So said the AMERICAN people in November 2016.

 

[dblack]

So said the AMERICAN people in November 2016.

Only half (give or take a couple million) said that. And when the pendulum swings back the other way, the wall is torn down. Senseless thrashing. Why not find something we can get real consensus on? Why do we keep pushing for partisan extremes that aren't sustainable?

 

[francoHFW]

By building a stupid wall that will not work? Duped again...

Leftists don't oppose building a wall because they think it won't work, they oppose a wall because they know it will. They support nothing but programs that won't work

Half of the illegals overstay visas. There is only one solution, an SS ID card that can't be faked. Nobody is for open borders you brainwashed functional moron. Hillary was talking about trade someday... God damn idiots.

 

[Flopper]

Declaring Mexico as an enemy of US is really crazy.

• Less than 4% of the Mexican people have lived in the US illegally.
• Most of the the illegal immigrants entering the US today are not Mexicans and now less that half the illegal immigrant population is Mexican.
• Mexico is our 3rd most important trading partner responsible for millions of US jobs.
• Finally the Mexican government is not responsible for guarding the US boarder.

You have such screwy assumptions:

1) Flopper - if we build a wall, we can't go after VISA overstays too, we have to pick one

- Bull, we need to go after both and any other way illegals are coming into the country

2) Flopper - only Mexicans are crossing our southern border

- Bull, lots of South Americans too. And so can anyone, including al Qaeda, who fly into Mexico city

3) 40% means a majority - no, 40% is not a majority. Not a math major, were you?

1. Of course we can we protect our borders and deal with visa overstays as we should but only in a fair and just manner. Trump's rush to deport as many people as fast as he can is going to backfire badly. The majority of the American public want a path to citizenship not deportation. Bypassing immigration court and his zero tolerance policy is going to hurt a lot of innocent people. For example: What does a businessman father from Ohio, an Arizona mother, the Indiana husband of a Trump supporter all have in common? They were unassuming members of their community, parents of US citizens, and undocumented immigrants order to be deported. They had been in this country for decades, they're employed, had never been arrested, paid their taxes, and were productive members of the community. And what crime did they commit. None. They are guilty of overstaying their visa, a civil infraction that carries no penalty other than deportation. However because of the time they have been in the country, the law says they will be band from reentry for 10 years. How in the world can anyone condom such unjust treatment? And people question why 6 states and hundreds of cities and towns have declared themselves a sanctuary.
2. Read my post, "Most of the the illegal immigrants entering the US today are not Mexicans ...".
3. It doesn't matter whether it's 40% or 50%, or 60%. The percentage is based on and estimate of the number of undocumented immigrants in the country. It could 9 million, 11 million, 12 million, or more or less. You seem to totally miss the point; the number of people that overstay their visas exceed the number coming over the boarder by a factor 2 to 4 times depending on year.

So what you're saying is it's okay if they break our laws, just as long as they show they are upstanding citizens.

Well that's a message we want to send to the other 8.5 billion people on this planet, isn't it?

You people on the left are constantly comparing us to other countries........except when it comes to borders, immigration laws and handling of intruders. There are not many other countries that would put up with as much as we have put up with when it comes to immigration.

Especially in our sanctuary cities, we give them drivers licenses so they can get to work they are not supposed to have. Those cities give them protection from ICE and other agencies. We allow them to rent apartments and houses. They get to send their illegal children to our schools, and in some cases, hold up the class because they can't speak English. They can even get credit cards.

Is it any wonder why they come here, and now we're going to complain because we take their children from them when they enter this country? Add free babysitting on top of the list above.

No, I'm not saying it's ok to break our laws. I'm saying, let the punishment fit the crime. And in the case of those that overstayed their Visas, about 40% to 50% of the undocumented immigrant, they are not guilty of any crime. At most, they are guilty of a civil violation.

Just because I think undocumented immigrants should be treated fairly and humane does not mean I want open boarders. I actually want the same thing you want, a solution to the problem of illegal immigration. I just disagree with how you want it done.

Well I'm getting ready to go to work now. I drive a truck so it's mandated I have a CDL license. If I got caught driving without one or it expires, I can get a 10K fine and jail time just for an expired license.

Until we find a full proof way of getting rid of all illegals, the best thing we can do now is make it as uninviting as possible for them to come here. Make it a law that states cannot issue drivers licenses. Make it a law that banks cannot give loans or extend credit to these people. Make it a law that we landlords have to run a check on any foreigner that wants to rent from us and give us a way to do that. Increase penalties for those who hire them. All pupils of public school are checked out that they or their parents are of legal status.

The undocumented immigrant problem is easily solved if we stem the flow of illegal immigrants and enforce visa expiration. If we do that we will see the numbers of undocumented fall year by year with little need for deportation.

 

[Flopper]

Declaring Mexico as an enemy of US is really crazy.

• Less than 4% of the Mexican people have lived in the US illegally.
• Most of the the illegal immigrants entering the US today are not Mexicans and now less that half the illegal immigrant population is Mexican.
• Mexico is our 3rd most important trading partner responsible for millions of US jobs.
• Finally the Mexican government is not responsible for guarding the US boarder.

You have such screwy assumptions:

1) Flopper - if we build a wall, we can't go after VISA overstays too, we have to pick one

- Bull, we need to go after both and any other way illegals are coming into the country

2) Flopper - only Mexicans are crossing our southern border

- Bull, lots of South Americans too. And so can anyone, including al Qaeda, who fly into Mexico city

3) 40% means a majority - no, 40% is not a majority. Not a math major, were you?

1. Of course we can we protect our borders and deal with visa overstays as we should but only in a fair and just manner. Trump's rush to deport as many people as fast as he can is going to backfire badly. The majority of the American public want a path to citizenship not deportation. Bypassing immigration court and his zero tolerance policy is going to hurt a lot of innocent people. For example: What does a businessman father from Ohio, an Arizona mother, the Indiana husband of a Trump supporter all have in common? They were unassuming members of their community, parents of US citizens, and undocumented immigrants order to be deported. They had been in this country for decades, they're employed, had never been arrested, paid their taxes, and were productive members of the community. And what crime did they commit. None. They are guilty of overstaying their visa, a civil infraction that carries no penalty other than deportation. However because of the time they have been in the country, the law says they will be band from reentry for 10 years. How in the world can anyone condom such unjust treatment? And people question why 6 states and hundreds of cities and towns have declared themselves a sanctuary.
2. Read my post, "Most of the the illegal immigrants entering the US today are not Mexicans ...".
3. It doesn't matter whether it's 40% or 50%, or 60%. The percentage is based on and estimate of the number of undocumented immigrants in the country. It could 9 million, 11 million, 12 million, or more or less. You seem to totally miss the point; the number of people that overstay their visas exceed the number coming over the boarder by a factor 2 to 4 times depending on year.

So what you're saying is it's okay if they break our laws, just as long as they show they are upstanding citizens.

Well that's a message we want to send to the other 8.5 billion people on this planet, isn't it?

You people on the left are constantly comparing us to other countries........except when it comes to borders, immigration laws and handling of intruders. There are not many other countries that would put up with as much as we have put up with when it comes to immigration.

Especially in our sanctuary cities, we give them drivers licenses so they can get to work they are not supposed to have. Those cities give them protection from ICE and other agencies. We allow them to rent apartments and houses. They get to send their illegal children to our schools, and in some cases, hold up the class because they can't speak English. They can even get credit cards.

Is it any wonder why they come here, and now we're going to complain because we take their children from them when they enter this country? Add free babysitting on top of the list above.

No, I'm not saying it's ok to break our laws. I'm saying, let the punishment fit the crime. And in the case of those that overstayed their Visas, about 40% to 50% of the undocumented immigrant, they are not guilty of any crime. At most, they are guilty of a civil violation.

Just because I think undocumented immigrants should be treated fairly and humane does not mean I want open boarders. I actually want the same thing you want, a solution to the problem of illegal immigration. I just disagree with how you want it done.

Flopper: "No, I'm not saying it's ok to break our laws. I'm saying, let the punishment fit the crime." Letting them stay is like saying shop lifters should be able to keep what they stole, just let the punishment fit the crime.

Punishment for illegally being in the US illegally starts with deporting them

People that are just in the US unlawfully overstayed their visas. They didn't enter the country illegally. In fact, they didn't do anything They are not guilty of any crime yet the penalty they face is serve, deportation with barred reenter. Since many of these people have been in the country for many years and raised families, the greatest punishment falls on the family.

 

[Flopper]

You have such screwy assumptions:

1) Flopper - if we build a wall, we can't go after VISA overstays too, we have to pick one

- Bull, we need to go after both and any other way illegals are coming into the country

2) Flopper - only Mexicans are crossing our southern border

- Bull, lots of South Americans too. And so can anyone, including al Qaeda, who fly into Mexico city

3) 40% means a majority - no, 40% is not a majority. Not a math major, were you?

1. Of course we can we protect our borders and deal with visa overstays as we should but only in a fair and just manner. Trump's rush to deport as many people as fast as he can is going to backfire badly. The majority of the American public want a path to citizenship not deportation. Bypassing immigration court and his zero tolerance policy is going to hurt a lot of innocent people. For example: What does a businessman father from Ohio, an Arizona mother, the Indiana husband of a Trump supporter all have in common? They were unassuming members of their community, parents of US citizens, and undocumented immigrants order to be deported. They had been in this country for decades, they're employed, had never been arrested, paid their taxes, and were productive members of the community. And what crime did they commit. None. They are guilty of overstaying their visa, a civil infraction that carries no penalty other than deportation. However because of the time they have been in the country, the law says they will be band from reentry for 10 years. How in the world can anyone condom such unjust treatment? And people question why 6 states and hundreds of cities and towns have declared themselves a sanctuary.
2. Read my post, "Most of the the illegal immigrants entering the US today are not Mexicans ...".
3. It doesn't matter whether it's 40% or 50%, or 60%. The percentage is based on and estimate of the number of undocumented immigrants in the country. It could 9 million, 11 million, 12 million, or more or less. You seem to totally miss the point; the number of people that overstay their visas exceed the number coming over the boarder by a factor 2 to 4 times depending on year.

So what you're saying is it's okay if they break our laws, just as long as they show they are upstanding citizens.

Well that's a message we want to send to the other 8.5 billion people on this planet, isn't it?

You people on the left are constantly comparing us to other countries........except when it comes to borders, immigration laws and handling of intruders. There are not many other countries that would put up with as much as we have put up with when it comes to immigration.

Especially in our sanctuary cities, we give them drivers licenses so they can get to work they are not supposed to have. Those cities give them protection from ICE and other agencies. We allow them to rent apartments and houses. They get to send their illegal children to our schools, and in some cases, hold up the class because they can't speak English. They can even get credit cards.

Is it any wonder why they come here, and now we're going to complain because we take their children from them when they enter this country? Add free babysitting on top of the list above.

No, I'm not saying it's ok to break our laws. I'm saying, let the punishment fit the crime. And in the case of those that overstayed their Visas, about 40% to 50% of the undocumented immigrant, they are not guilty of any crime. At most, they are guilty of a civil violation.

Just because I think undocumented immigrants should be treated fairly and humane does not mean I want open boarders. I actually want the same thing you want, a solution to the problem of illegal immigration. I just disagree with how you want it done.

Well I'm getting ready to go to work now. I drive a truck so it's mandated I have a CDL license. If I got caught driving without one or it expires, I can get a 10K fine and jail time just for an expired license.

Until we find a full proof way of getting rid of all illegals, the best thing we can do now is make it as uninviting as possible for them to come here. Make it a law that states cannot issue drivers licenses. Make it a law that banks cannot give loans or extend credit to these people. Make it a law that we landlords have to run a check on any foreigner that wants to rent from us and give us a way to do that. Increase penalties for those who hire them. All pupils of public school are checked out that they or their parents are of legal status.

We should implement civil forfeiture for illegal aliens. What a great tool that would be for places like Texas and Orange County that want to keep illegal aliens out. And the money can be spent to build a wall for starters

Take away assets from migrant workers, day labors, and domestics?

 

[kaz]

You have such screwy assumptions:

1) Flopper - if we build a wall, we can't go after VISA overstays too, we have to pick one

- Bull, we need to go after both and any other way illegals are coming into the country

2) Flopper - only Mexicans are crossing our southern border

- Bull, lots of South Americans too. And so can anyone, including al Qaeda, who fly into Mexico city

3) 40% means a majority - no, 40% is not a majority. Not a math major, were you?

1. Of course we can we protect our borders and deal with visa overstays as we should but only in a fair and just manner. Trump's rush to deport as many people as fast as he can is going to backfire badly. The majority of the American public want a path to citizenship not deportation. Bypassing immigration court and his zero tolerance policy is going to hurt a lot of innocent people. For example: What does a businessman father from Ohio, an Arizona mother, the Indiana husband of a Trump supporter all have in common? They were unassuming members of their community, parents of US citizens, and undocumented immigrants order to be deported. They had been in this country for decades, they're employed, had never been arrested, paid their taxes, and were productive members of the community. And what crime did they commit. None. They are guilty of overstaying their visa, a civil infraction that carries no penalty other than deportation. However because of the time they have been in the country, the law says they will be band from reentry for 10 years. How in the world can anyone condom such unjust treatment? And people question why 6 states and hundreds of cities and towns have declared themselves a sanctuary.
2. Read my post, "Most of the the illegal immigrants entering the US today are not Mexicans ...".
3. It doesn't matter whether it's 40% or 50%, or 60%. The percentage is based on and estimate of the number of undocumented immigrants in the country. It could 9 million, 11 million, 12 million, or more or less. You seem to totally miss the point; the number of people that overstay their visas exceed the number coming over the boarder by a factor 2 to 4 times depending on year.

So what you're saying is it's okay if they break our laws, just as long as they show they are upstanding citizens.

Well that's a message we want to send to the other 8.5 billion people on this planet, isn't it?

You people on the left are constantly comparing us to other countries........except when it comes to borders, immigration laws and handling of intruders. There are not many other countries that would put up with as much as we have put up with when it comes to immigration.

Especially in our sanctuary cities, we give them drivers licenses so they can get to work they are not supposed to have. Those cities give them protection from ICE and other agencies. We allow them to rent apartments and houses. They get to send their illegal children to our schools, and in some cases, hold up the class because they can't speak English. They can even get credit cards.

Is it any wonder why they come here, and now we're going to complain because we take their children from them when they enter this country? Add free babysitting on top of the list above.

No, I'm not saying it's ok to break our laws. I'm saying, let the punishment fit the crime. And in the case of those that overstayed their Visas, about 40% to 50% of the undocumented immigrant, they are not guilty of any crime. At most, they are guilty of a civil violation.

Just because I think undocumented immigrants should be treated fairly and humane does not mean I want open boarders. I actually want the same thing you want, a solution to the problem of illegal immigration. I just disagree with how you want it done.

Well I'm getting ready to go to work now. I drive a truck so it's mandated I have a CDL license. If I got caught driving without one or it expires, I can get a 10K fine and jail time just for an expired license.

Until we find a full proof way of getting rid of all illegals, the best thing we can do now is make it as uninviting as possible for them to come here. Make it a law that states cannot issue drivers licenses. Make it a law that banks cannot give loans or extend credit to these people. Make it a law that we landlords have to run a check on any foreigner that wants to rent from us and give us a way to do that. Increase penalties for those who hire them. All pupils of public school are checked out that they or their parents are of legal status.

The undocumented immigrant problem is easily solved if we stem the flow of illegal immigrants and enforce visa expiration. If we do that we will see the numbers of undocumented fall year by year with little need for deportation.

Undocumented is a euphemism. If you document them, they are still illegal aliens.

And all you did is state the contentless obvious. The question is how you do that. Actually in your case, you don't, you want the more democrat voters, er, undocumented immigrants, you can get the better

 

[kaz]

1. Of course we can we protect our borders and deal with visa overstays as we should but only in a fair and just manner. Trump's rush to deport as many people as fast as he can is going to backfire badly. The majority of the American public want a path to citizenship not deportation. Bypassing immigration court and his zero tolerance policy is going to hurt a lot of innocent people. For example: What does a businessman father from Ohio, an Arizona mother, the Indiana husband of a Trump supporter all have in common? They were unassuming members of their community, parents of US citizens, and undocumented immigrants order to be deported. They had been in this country for decades, they're employed, had never been arrested, paid their taxes, and were productive members of the community. And what crime did they commit. None. They are guilty of overstaying their visa, a civil infraction that carries no penalty other than deportation. However because of the time they have been in the country, the law says they will be band from reentry for 10 years. How in the world can anyone condom such unjust treatment? And people question why 6 states and hundreds of cities and towns have declared themselves a sanctuary.
2. Read my post, "Most of the the illegal immigrants entering the US today are not Mexicans ...".
3. It doesn't matter whether it's 40% or 50%, or 60%. The percentage is based on and estimate of the number of undocumented immigrants in the country. It could 9 million, 11 million, 12 million, or more or less. You seem to totally miss the point; the number of people that overstay their visas exceed the number coming over the boarder by a factor 2 to 4 times depending on year.

So what you're saying is it's okay if they break our laws, just as long as they show they are upstanding citizens.

Well that's a message we want to send to the other 8.5 billion people on this planet, isn't it?

You people on the left are constantly comparing us to other countries........except when it comes to borders, immigration laws and handling of intruders. There are not many other countries that would put up with as much as we have put up with when it comes to immigration.

Especially in our sanctuary cities, we give them drivers licenses so they can get to work they are not supposed to have. Those cities give them protection from ICE and other agencies. We allow them to rent apartments and houses. They get to send their illegal children to our schools, and in some cases, hold up the class because they can't speak English. They can even get credit cards.

Is it any wonder why they come here, and now we're going to complain because we take their children from them when they enter this country? Add free babysitting on top of the list above.

No, I'm not saying it's ok to break our laws. I'm saying, let the punishment fit the crime. And in the case of those that overstayed their Visas, about 40% to 50% of the undocumented immigrant, they are not guilty of any crime. At most, they are guilty of a civil violation.

Just because I think undocumented immigrants should be treated fairly and humane does not mean I want open boarders. I actually want the same thing you want, a solution to the problem of illegal immigration. I just disagree with how you want it done.

Well I'm getting ready to go to work now. I drive a truck so it's mandated I have a CDL license. If I got caught driving without one or it expires, I can get a 10K fine and jail time just for an expired license.

Until we find a full proof way of getting rid of all illegals, the best thing we can do now is make it as uninviting as possible for them to come here. Make it a law that states cannot issue drivers licenses. Make it a law that banks cannot give loans or extend credit to these people. Make it a law that we landlords have to run a check on any foreigner that wants to rent from us and give us a way to do that. Increase penalties for those who hire them. All pupils of public school are checked out that they or their parents are of legal status.

We should implement civil forfeiture for illegal aliens. What a great tool that would be for places like Texas and Orange County that want to keep illegal aliens out. And the money can be spent to build a wall for starters

Take away assets from migrant workers, day labors, and domestics?

They don't have any money but they wire $69 billion a year to Mexico. Gotcha.

Start by taking their cars.

You clearly recognize ideas what would work because you oppose them every time.

Flopper: We can't take their jobs or build a wall. Wouldn't work. Let's stand in the desert and think hard and transmit anti illegal immigration juju, that should work

 

[Flopper]

So what you're saying is it's okay if they break our laws, just as long as they show they are upstanding citizens.

Well that's a message we want to send to the other 8.5 billion people on this planet, isn't it?

You people on the left are constantly comparing us to other countries........except when it comes to borders, immigration laws and handling of intruders. There are not many other countries that would put up with as much as we have put up with when it comes to immigration.

Especially in our sanctuary cities, we give them drivers licenses so they can get to work they are not supposed to have. Those cities give them protection from ICE and other agencies. We allow them to rent apartments and houses. They get to send their illegal children to our schools, and in some cases, hold up the class because they can't speak English. They can even get credit cards.

Is it any wonder why they come here, and now we're going to complain because we take their children from them when they enter this country? Add free babysitting on top of the list above.

No, I'm not saying it's ok to break our laws. I'm saying, let the punishment fit the crime. And in the case of those that overstayed their Visas, about 40% to 50% of the undocumented immigrant, they are not guilty of any crime. At most, they are guilty of a civil violation.

Just because I think undocumented immigrants should be treated fairly and humane does not mean I want open boarders. I actually want the same thing you want, a solution to the problem of illegal immigration. I just disagree with how you want it done.

Well I'm getting ready to go to work now. I drive a truck so it's mandated I have a CDL license. If I got caught driving without one or it expires, I can get a 10K fine and jail time just for an expired license.

Until we find a full proof way of getting rid of all illegals, the best thing we can do now is make it as uninviting as possible for them to come here. Make it a law that states cannot issue drivers licenses. Make it a law that banks cannot give loans or extend credit to these people. Make it a law that we landlords have to run a check on any foreigner that wants to rent from us and give us a way to do that. Increase penalties for those who hire them. All pupils of public school are checked out that they or their parents are of legal status.

We should implement civil forfeiture for illegal aliens. What a great tool that would be for places like Texas and Orange County that want to keep illegal aliens out. And the money can be spent to build a wall for starters

Take away assets from migrant workers, day labors, and domestics?

They don't have any money but they wire $69 billion a year to Mexico. Gotcha.

Start by taking their cars.

You clearly recognize ideas what would work because you oppose them every time.

Flopper: We can't take their jobs or build a wall. Wouldn't work. Let's stand in the desert and think hard and transmit anti illegal immigration juju, that should work

Before deciding how to keep people from entering the country illegally, you need to consider why they want to enter the US. Basically, it's because it would be nearly impossible for them to enter legally and the border is not secure enough to keep them out.

So you make it more difficult to enter the country illegally which could be done with a wall that stretches the length of the boarder but a far more practical solution is to provide the security that is needed based on the local need. In some places that might be a wall, in others a fence, and other places electronic monitoring and increased boarder patrol.

Second, reduce the visa wait time for people from Mexico, Honduras, other Central American and Caribbean countries to less than two years. Currently it is between 10 years and never if you lack a college degree or a critical skill.

Lastly, develop a Visa tracking system so we keep overstays to less than a couple of months and make it a legal requirement that visa holders report change of address.

If we do the above, I believe we would eliminate the undocumented immigrant problem a lot faster than what we're doing now because currently enforcement of immigration laws depends on who is in White House and which party controls congress.

 

[francoHFW]

As long as they can fake identities with fake SSID cards, there is no solution, just harassment and unjust deportations. Deporting 11 million who have basically been invited to come in and work is a dream for racist simpletons.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Everyone who supports a wall supports also tougening laws on Visa overstays. The wall is #1 priority for two reasons. The second reason is the part where you're wrong and the majority of illegal aliens cross the border illegally. The biggest one is that they have at least been checked out and we knew when they came in who they were and were able to check out their history, including their criminal history

Plus when one overstays their VISA, they don't bring in drugs at the same time.

And they at least made the effort to COME here properly.

 

[AZGAL]

What about the option to throw the children in jail with the parents? Family unification. No more tears.

 

[kaz]

No, I'm not saying it's ok to break our laws. I'm saying, let the punishment fit the crime. And in the case of those that overstayed their Visas, about 40% to 50% of the undocumented immigrant, they are not guilty of any crime. At most, they are guilty of a civil violation.

Just because I think undocumented immigrants should be treated fairly and humane does not mean I want open boarders. I actually want the same thing you want, a solution to the problem of illegal immigration. I just disagree with how you want it done.

Well I'm getting ready to go to work now. I drive a truck so it's mandated I have a CDL license. If I got caught driving without one or it expires, I can get a 10K fine and jail time just for an expired license.

Until we find a full proof way of getting rid of all illegals, the best thing we can do now is make it as uninviting as possible for them to come here. Make it a law that states cannot issue drivers licenses. Make it a law that banks cannot give loans or extend credit to these people. Make it a law that we landlords have to run a check on any foreigner that wants to rent from us and give us a way to do that. Increase penalties for those who hire them. All pupils of public school are checked out that they or their parents are of legal status.

We should implement civil forfeiture for illegal aliens. What a great tool that would be for places like Texas and Orange County that want to keep illegal aliens out. And the money can be spent to build a wall for starters

Take away assets from migrant workers, day labors, and domestics?

They don't have any money but they wire $69 billion a year to Mexico. Gotcha.

Start by taking their cars.

You clearly recognize ideas what would work because you oppose them every time.

Flopper: We can't take their jobs or build a wall. Wouldn't work. Let's stand in the desert and think hard and transmit anti illegal immigration juju, that should work

Before deciding how to keep people from entering the country illegally, you need to consider why they want to enter the US. Basically, it's because it would be nearly impossible for them to enter legally and the border is not secure enough to keep them out.

So you make it more difficult to enter the country illegally which could be done with a wall that stretches the length of the boarder but a far more practical solution is to provide the security that is needed based on the local need. In some places that might be a wall, in others a fence, and other places electronic monitoring and increased boarder patrol.

Second, reduce the visa wait time for people from Mexico, Honduras, other Central American and Caribbean countries to less than two years. Currently it is between 10 years and never if you lack a college degree or a critical skill.

Lastly, develop a Visa tracking system so we keep overstays to less than a couple of months and make it a legal requirement that visa holders report change of address.

If we do the above, I believe we would eliminate the undocumented immigrant problem a lot faster than what we're doing now because currently enforcement of immigration laws depends on who is in White House and which party controls congress.

They come here because they're the poorest people in a third world shit hole country and morons like you offer them a free pass as well as welfare, drivers licenses, voting and free healthcare and education. They aren't stupid, you are.

Of course we can stop the vast majority of them from coming here. You want to not stop them and fight every step tooth and nail because every illegal we keep out you see as losing a voter