What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[francoHFW]

Well I'm getting ready to go to work now. I drive a truck so it's mandated I have a CDL license. If I got caught driving without one or it expires, I can get a 10K fine and jail time just for an expired license.

Until we find a full proof way of getting rid of all illegals, the best thing we can do now is make it as uninviting as possible for them to come here. Make it a law that states cannot issue drivers licenses. Make it a law that banks cannot give loans or extend credit to these people. Make it a law that we landlords have to run a check on any foreigner that wants to rent from us and give us a way to do that. Increase penalties for those who hire them. All pupils of public school are checked out that they or their parents are of legal status.

I moved out of California in 1989. Sad to say this, but it is a lost cause. Democrats have imported so many of the invaders to stack the ballot boxes with their votes, that they are now indebted to them, and must pander to their wishes.

It might be easier to get a cow to jump over the moon than get legislation in California in opposition to illegal aliens. California has become an extension of Mexico. The best thing that could be done regarding California, and its millions of illegal aliens, is to pass a law making California no longer part of the USA.

If Mexico wants it, they can have it. Summer fires, winter floods/mudslides, eathquakes and all.

California acts as a model of what can happen to the rest of the country left to liberals and their open border mentality. It's gotten so bad in some places that they are passing out poop maps so decent people don't accidentally step in human feces. It's now the welfare state of the country and while they brag how great their economy is, they are so far in debt it can never be paid back.

Pass the 2010 democratic comprehensive immigration bill with a good SS ID card and end this GOP klusterfuk, brainwashed functional moron.

WTF do you come here and repeat the same shit over and over again? We got you the last nine times you posted that stupidity.

Truth continues to be repetitive. As opposed to your endlessly entertaining and changing GOP propaganda, super duper dupe. And of course you doops don't know Anything about anything, just pure garbage and Hate.

 

[francoHFW]

...Wow, such hate against millions of people that remained in the US after their Visa expired which is not even a criminal offense. About 40% to 50% of our undocumented immigrants fall into this category...

It's not hatred, old sod, although it's in your (side's) best interests to continually attempt (and fail) to portray it as thus; declaring it thus does not render it thus.

......there are a lot of people that don't want to see them punished or deported...

True.

Fortunately, they do not control the Nation's law enforcement mechanisms at the moment.

...They want a more humane solution to the problem...

That's nice.

...These people didn't come her to rape and pillage...

Don't care WHY they came here... the trouble is, they're HERE... and they need to go home.

...They came here to work and earn enough money to support their family...

Don't care WHY they came here... the trouble is, they're HERE, and they need to go home.

...often at considerable danger to themselves which is a lot more than many Americans are willing to do.

Doesn't matter... much of the "other side" has stopped listening to all the excuse-making and juicy rationalizations... time for Illegals to go.

The GOP doesn't give a damn except around elections and during one of their corrupt economic meltdowns. The Democrats want a solution. 2010 immigration bill with good SSID card ends this crap. Nothing else does. You brainwashed morons think the Democrats want open borders. Incredible idiocy. Hillary was talking about trade only someday. Typical of how you know absolutely nothing.

 

[Kondor3]

...These are people asking for Asylum, there is no reason to be cruel to them, super hater dupe.

Yeah... sure... twenty years ago, 1 Illegal in 100 asked for asylum... twenty months from now, 99 illegals in 100 will ask for it, if we let you get your way.

Not gonna happen now.

 

[Kondor3]

...The GOP doesn't give a damn except around elections and during one of their corrupt economic meltdowns...

Quite true.

...The Democrats want a solution...

Yes. We already know what their "ideal" solution looks like.

Anything you put on the table that (a) rewards past Illegal Entry / Overstay or (b) does not profoundly deter future Illegal Entry / Overstay is now a non-starter.

...You brainwashed morons think the Democrats want open borders. Incredible idiocy. Hillary was talking about trade only someday. Typical of how you know absolutely nothing.

No Sale, Sparky... ya'll have gone to that well once too often.

And now you're sittin' around throwin' peanuts from the sidelines and chanting your Coulda-Shoulda-Woulda's... oh well, what-the-Hell, you did it to yourselves.

Next time, try standing alongside your fellow Americans, rather than a wave of foreign invaders.

Failing to learn that Key Lesson of November 8, 2016, would truly be moronic.

Much of the rest of the country is quite convinced that you just don't have it in you.

 

[AZGAL]

What about the real root problem that Mexico cannot dig it's way out of corruption. Is that really our problem to take on in the USA? it seems to me that Mexico is so damned corrupt today that this is now an international problem that should get the attention of international organizations such as the UN if it gave a damn. Mexico is a murderous mess as equally deserving of hostility as Germany and Japan in WW2. yes BUILD THE WALL.

 

[francoHFW]

...These are people asking for Asylum, there is no reason to be cruel to them, super hater dupe.

Yeah... sure... twenty years ago, 1 Illegal in 100 asked for asylum... twenty months from now, 99 illegals in 100 will ask for it, if we let you get your way.

Not gonna happen now.

Asylum Seekers are already being put in detention... There is no reason 2 break up their families 2. But thanks for Wrecking their countries with your never ending War on drugs, super dupe.

 

[francoHFW]

...The GOP doesn't give a damn except around elections and during one of their corrupt economic meltdowns...

Quite true.

...The Democrats want a solution...

Yes. We already know what their "ideal" solution looks like.

Anything you put on the table that (a) rewards past Illegal Entry / Overstay or (b) does not profoundly deter future Illegal Entry / Overstay is now a non-starter.

...You brainwashed morons think the Democrats want open borders. Incredible idiocy. Hillary was talking about trade only someday. Typical of how you know absolutely nothing.

No Sale, Sparky... ya'll have gone to that well once too often.

And now you're sittin' around throwin' peanuts from the sidelines and chanting your Coulda-Shoulda-Woulda's... oh well, what-the-Hell, you did it to yourselves.

Next time, try standing alongside your fellow Americans, rather than a wave of foreign invaders.

Failing to learn that Key Lesson of November 8, 2016, would truly be moronic.

Much of the rest of the country is quite convinced that you just don't have it in you.

Quite an army of silly dupes you have there LOL. I am totally for stopping illegal immigration, as are Democrats. The GOP stupidity and futility will just keep it going forever.

 

[Cecilie1200]

What about the option to throw the children in jail with the parents? Family unification. No more tears.

Not without a change in the law, because whether the no-short-term-memory left recalls it or not, THEY pitched a hissy and insisted that children should not be detained.

Link to that GOP BS propaganda?

Judge Orders Release of Immigrant Kids from ICE Detention Centers

Amazing what you can learn when you're not wasting time trying to find validation for your butthurt.

 

[francoHFW]

...The GOP doesn't give a damn except around elections and during one of their corrupt economic meltdowns...

Quite true.

...The Democrats want a solution...

Yes. We already know what their "ideal" solution looks like.

Anything you put on the table that (a) rewards past Illegal Entry / Overstay or (b) does not profoundly deter future Illegal Entry / Overstay is now a non-starter.

...You brainwashed morons think the Democrats want open borders. Incredible idiocy. Hillary was talking about trade only someday. Typical of how you know absolutely nothing.

No Sale, Sparky... ya'll have gone to that well once too often.

And now you're sittin' around throwin' peanuts from the sidelines and chanting your Coulda-Shoulda-Woulda's... oh well, what-the-Hell, you did it to yourselves.

Next time, try standing alongside your fellow Americans, rather than a wave of foreign invaders.

Failing to learn that Key Lesson of November 8, 2016, would truly be moronic.

Much of the rest of the country is quite convinced that you just don't have it in you.

Throwing out 11 million Worthy illegals is never going to happen. So you start with amnesty for them. Then a good SS ID card to stop more from coming. End of story. You morons think Democrats are 4 open borders. Brainwashed insanity.

 

[francoHFW]

What about the option to throw the children in jail with the parents? Family unification. No more tears.

Not without a change in the law, because whether the no-short-term-memory left recalls it or not, THEY pitched a hissy and insisted that children should not be detained.

Link to that GOP BS propaganda?

Judge Orders Release of Immigrant Kids from ICE Detention Centers

Amazing what you can learn when you're not wasting time trying to find validation for your butthurt.

So it is not Democrats but the courts, super duper. And no it is not a conspiracy LOL.

 

[francoHFW]

What about the real root problem that Mexico cannot dig it's way out of corruption. Is that really our problem to take on in the USA? it seems to me that Mexico is so damned corrupt today that this is now an international problem that should get the attention of international organizations such as the UN if it gave a damn. Mexico is a murderous mess as equally deserving of hostility as Germany and Japan in WW2. yes BUILD THE WALL.

Thanks to drug gangs that exist because of us. Actually because of you.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What about the real root problem that Mexico cannot dig it's way out of corruption. Is that really our problem to take on in the USA? it seems to me that Mexico is so damned corrupt today that this is now an international problem that should get the attention of international organizations such as the UN if it gave a damn. Mexico is a murderous mess as equally deserving of hostility as Germany and Japan in WW2. yes BUILD THE WALL.

Why fight it if you can run away instead? If we close off that place to run, they will be forced to fight for their country the way we have so many times in the past.

 

[Loving91390]

You don't live in Caifornia .... What do you know !

...Wow, such hate against millions of people that remained in the US after their Visa expired which is not even a criminal offense. About 40% to 50% of our undocumented immigrants fall into this category...

It's not hatred, old sod, although it's in your (side's) best interests to continually attempt (and fail) to portray it as thus; declaring it thus does not render it thus.

......there are a lot of people that don't want to see them punished or deported...

True.

Fortunately, they do not control the Nation's law enforcement mechanisms at the moment.

...They want a more humane solution to the problem...

That's nice.

...These people didn't come her to rape and pillage...

Don't care WHY they came here... the trouble is, they're HERE... and they need to go home.

...They came here to work and earn enough money to support their family...

Don't care WHY they came here... the trouble is, they're HERE, and they need to go home.

...often at considerable danger to themselves which is a lot more than many Americans are willing to do.

Doesn't matter... much of the "other side" has stopped listening to all the excuse-making and juicy rationalizations... time for Illegals to go.

The GOP doesn't give a damn except around elections and during one of their corrupt economic meltdowns. The Democrats want a solution. 2010 immigration bill with good SSID card ends this crap. Nothing else does. You brainwashed morons think the Democrats want open borders. Incredible idiocy. Hillary was talking about trade only someday. Typical of how you know absolutely nothing.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Well I'm getting ready to go to work now. I drive a truck so it's mandated I have a CDL license. If I got caught driving without one or it expires, I can get a 10K fine and jail time just for an expired license.

Until we find a full proof way of getting rid of all illegals, the best thing we can do now is make it as uninviting as possible for them to come here. Make it a law that states cannot issue drivers licenses. Make it a law that banks cannot give loans or extend credit to these people. Make it a law that we landlords have to run a check on any foreigner that wants to rent from us and give us a way to do that. Increase penalties for those who hire them. All pupils of public school are checked out that they or their parents are of legal status.

I moved out of California in 1989. Sad to say this, but it is a lost cause. Democrats have imported so many of the invaders to stack the ballot boxes with their votes, that they are now indebted to them, and must pander to their wishes.

It might be easier to get a cow to jump over the moon than get legislation in California in opposition to illegal aliens. California has become an extension of Mexico. The best thing that could be done regarding California, and its millions of illegal aliens, is to pass a law making California no longer part of the USA.

If Mexico wants it, they can have it. Summer fires, winter floods/mudslides, eathquakes and all.

California acts as a model of what can happen to the rest of the country left to liberals and their open border mentality. It's gotten so bad in some places that they are passing out poop maps so decent people don't accidentally step in human feces. It's now the welfare state of the country and while they brag how great their economy is, they are so far in debt it can never be paid back.

Pass the 2010 democratic comprehensive immigration bill with a good SS ID card and end this GOP klusterfuk, brainwashed functional moron.

WTF do you come here and repeat the same shit over and over again? We got you the last nine times you posted that stupidity.

Truth continues to be repetitive. As opposed to your endlessly entertaining and changing GOP propaganda, super duper dupe. And of course you doops don't know Anything about anything, just pure garbage and Hate.

 

[AZGAL]

I have never heard anyone besides DEMOCRATS call for open borders...just ask Hillary.

 

[Cecilie1200]

What about the option to throw the children in jail with the parents? Family unification. No more tears.

Not without a change in the law, because whether the no-short-term-memory left recalls it or not, THEY pitched a hissy and insisted that children should not be detained.

Link to that GOP BS propaganda?

Judge Orders Release of Immigrant Kids from ICE Detention Centers

Amazing what you can learn when you're not wasting time trying to find validation for your butthurt.

So it is not Democrats but the courts, super duper. And no it is not a conspiracy LOL.

It never ceases to amaze me that you get dumber with every post. You'd think I'd be used to it by now.

You think that judge just pulled this out of her ass, moron? She was ruling on a case, brought by leftist organizations, and referring to another case, ALSO brought by leftist organizations. And at the time, every leftist commentator in the country was cheering for the decision, which you NOW consider the height of cruelty.

The original Flores settlement, insisting that unaccompanies minors who crossed the border could not be detained, was brought by the Center for Human Rights and Constitutional Law and the National Center for Youth Law, aided and abetted by the ACLU of Southern California. In 2015, those same people - with the addition of some other left-leaning groups - got the Flores settlement extended to accompanied minors, again to the cheering of leftists everywhere.

Oh, also, Judge Dolly Gee, from that article? Obama appointee in the Central District of California. What are the odds she's a rock-ribbed Republican?

 

[francoHFW]

I moved out of California in 1989. Sad to say this, but it is a lost cause. Democrats have imported so many of the invaders to stack the ballot boxes with their votes, that they are now indebted to them, and must pander to their wishes.

It might be easier to get a cow to jump over the moon than get legislation in California in opposition to illegal aliens. California has become an extension of Mexico. The best thing that could be done regarding California, and its millions of illegal aliens, is to pass a law making California no longer part of the USA.

If Mexico wants it, they can have it. Summer fires, winter floods/mudslides, eathquakes and all.

California acts as a model of what can happen to the rest of the country left to liberals and their open border mentality. It's gotten so bad in some places that they are passing out poop maps so decent people don't accidentally step in human feces. It's now the welfare state of the country and while they brag how great their economy is, they are so far in debt it can never be paid back.

Pass the 2010 democratic comprehensive immigration bill with a good SS ID card and end this GOP klusterfuk, brainwashed functional moron.

WTF do you come here and repeat the same shit over and over again? We got you the last nine times you posted that stupidity.

Truth continues to be repetitive. As opposed to your endlessly entertaining and changing GOP propaganda, super duper dupe. And of course you doops don't know Anything about anything, just pure garbage and Hate.

Typical brainwashed response LOL so you believe Democrats are for open borders, super duper?

 

[francoHFW]

California acts as a model of what can happen to the rest of the country left to liberals and their open border mentality. It's gotten so bad in some places that they are passing out poop maps so decent people don't accidentally step in human feces. It's now the welfare state of the country and while they brag how great their economy is, they are so far in debt it can never be paid back.

Pass the 2010 democratic comprehensive immigration bill with a good SS ID card and end this GOP klusterfuk, brainwashed functional moron.

WTF do you come here and repeat the same shit over and over again? We got you the last nine times you posted that stupidity.

Truth continues to be repetitive. As opposed to your endlessly entertaining and changing GOP propaganda, super duper dupe. And of course you doops don't know Anything about anything, just pure garbage and Hate.

Typical brainwashed response LOL so you believe Democrats are for open borders, super duper?

Hillary is going to get locked up? The rich pay too much in taxes? People like being on welfare? Obama's deficits had nothing to do with the GOP depression, Obama had control for two years and his policies caused trouble? Just goes on and on... You are on a stupid BS GOP propaganda planet.

 

[francoHFW]

What about the option to throw the children in jail with the parents? Family unification. No more tears.

Not without a change in the law, because whether the no-short-term-memory left recalls it or not, THEY pitched a hissy and insisted that children should not be detained.

Link to that GOP BS propaganda?

Judge Orders Release of Immigrant Kids from ICE Detention Centers

Amazing what you can learn when you're not wasting time trying to find validation for your butthurt.

So it is not Democrats but the courts, super duper. And no it is not a conspiracy LOL.

It never ceases to amaze me that you get dumber with every post. You'd think I'd be used to it by now.

You think that judge just pulled this out of her ass, moron? She was ruling on a case, brought by leftist organizations, and referring to another case, ALSO brought by leftist organizations. And at the time, every leftist commentator in the country was cheering for the decision, which you NOW consider the height of cruelty.

The original Flores settlement, insisting that unaccompanies minors who crossed the border could not be detained, was brought by the Center for Human Rights and Constitutional Law and the National Center for Youth Law, aided and abetted by the ACLU of Southern California. In 2015, those same people - with the addition of some other left-leaning groups - got the Flores settlement extended to accompanied minors, again to the cheering of leftists everywhere.

Oh, also, Judge Dolly Gee, from that article? Obama appointee in the Central District of California. What are the odds she's a rock-ribbed Republican?

So, no appeal by the GOP side? I'll go with our courts, not your lying BS propaganda

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

California acts as a model of what can happen to the rest of the country left to liberals and their open border mentality. It's gotten so bad in some places that they are passing out poop maps so decent people don't accidentally step in human feces. It's now the welfare state of the country and while they brag how great their economy is, they are so far in debt it can never be paid back.

Pass the 2010 democratic comprehensive immigration bill with a good SS ID card and end this GOP klusterfuk, brainwashed functional moron.

WTF do you come here and repeat the same shit over and over again? We got you the last nine times you posted that stupidity.

Truth continues to be repetitive. As opposed to your endlessly entertaining and changing GOP propaganda, super duper dupe. And of course you doops don't know Anything about anything, just pure garbage and Hate.

Typical brainwashed response LOL so you believe Democrats are for open borders, super duper?

Yes I do. You (as a leftist) fail to look for the man behind the curtain.

The goal of the left is to wipe out white people; not in a genocidal way, but in a political way.

Every other group of people outside of whites vote a majority Democrat. The Asians vote a majority Democrat, the middle-east people vote a majority Democrat, the Hispanics vote a majority Democrat, the Jewish vote a majority Democrat, the blacks...........forget about it.

Once they are able to make whites a minority in this country for the first time, they will have access to turn our country into a single-party government forever.

So if you are white and vote Democrat, you are about the dumbest MF in the country, because you are voting for a party that's trying to wipe YOU out for power.