What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[francoHFW]

You are the Supreme Dupe Dingbat Franco because you have no knowledge of history.

I have a masters in history, silly girl.

 

[francoHFW]

Way liberal Dimocrats keep the guilt trip engines going through fake tearjerker melodramatic statements and misleading fake news. I can and I do see the Democrat party at the height of corruption and willing to sell out their countrymen/people to an invasion of drug smuggling invaders whose language and cultures are unlike our own. Most disgusting is how Democrats have pushed many Americans into poverty and the streets. Children and women are running from mortal danger right here. Mothers and fathers are watching their children die of heroin and fentanyl overdoses. The Democrats sideswiped a legitimate candidate from his campaign= Sanders, and lie, lie, lie their pants off in hopes they can fool the American people out of their homeland. Democrat media is stranger than the National Enquirer. The MSM would do better writing soap operas than attempting to tell the "news" as they are incapable of anything but blatant manipulation of citizens.

Funny how no Democrats get arrested, isn't it silly dupe conspiracy Nut Job. Change the channel icaramba

 

[AZGAL]

 

[francoHFW]

Hillary was not calling for "open borders" for simply trade - liar liar. You know and we all know she made speeches to push for open borders for unregulated immigration. And you Franco keep repeating over and over some defunct Democrat "Immigration reform of 2010"...

It's all ready to pass, d****** dupe. Don't worry about history, just keep voting for the party of the greedy idiot lying rich, brainwashed functional moron. She made one speech in Brazil to bankers about having a dream about open borders for trade and you are brainwashed, super duper.

Let's have a link 2 Hillary wanting open immigration... You believe so much crap. Typical GOP voter.

 

[AZGAL]

If you have a Masters in anything, then I am the Pope.

 

[francoHFW]

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That's more your level. Go back to Facebook and talk about Hillary's pedophile pizza ring and how Soros is a Nazi... Please change the channel...

 

[francoHFW]

If you have a Masters in anything, then I am the Pope.

University of Rochester 1990 plus I read history all the time...

 

[AZGAL]

Hillary Advocates Wide Open Borders – Says World has a “RIGHT” to Immigrate to the USA
Breaking News By TruthFeedNews September 23, 2016

"Shortly after Trump’s speech, the Clinton campaign in Ohio tweeted out the story of a Libyan who came to the Unites States on a student visa in 1994, was not able to renew it, and simply stayed in the country illegally. He didn’t exactly live in the shadows, settling in Dayton and founding the Islamic Federation of Ohio and the Islamic Center for Peace. After two decades, he received permanent residency in 2015. In the story, headlined “Donald Trump would have kicked my family out of the country,” the man’s son, whose name was given as Mohamed G., wrote, “There was no way that I could let a person that disrespects my father and other immigrants win the White House.”

On Monday, the Clinton Ohio campaign tweeted Mohamed G.’s picture with Trump’s quote, “No one has the right to immigrate to this country.” The campaign added the comment: “We disagree.”"

 

[AZGAL]

George Soros has pumped $18 billion into Open Society Foundations ...
www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-george-soros-foundation-20171017-story.html
Oct 17, 2017 - George Soros is founder and chairman of the Open Society Foundations. ... backer of liberal causes and candidates, including Hillary Clinton.

 

[AZGAL]

Hillary Clinton is announcing a call to citizenship for millions of immigrants as the immigration landscape shapes up for presidential candidates. What is holding back immigration's overhaul?
Laura Meckler

• 
  The Wall Street Journal
• @laurameckler
  
  LAS VEGAS—Hillary Clinton, bidding to maintain Democratic dominance among Hispanic voters, said Tuesday she would work to expand President Barack Obama’s executive actions protecting people in the U.S. illegally from deportation, and push for legislation including a path to citizenship.
  

 

[AZGAL]

 

[Flopper]

What about the option to throw the children in jail with the parents? Family unification. No more tears.

Actually if we just throw them all out, the families could stay together that way.

In 2016, Obama deported 240,000. In 2017, Trump deported 226,000. At the rate we're deporting, it would take 53 years to deport all 12 million undocumented immigrants and that assumes we have no new arrivals.

Most of Trump deportations have come near the boarder. As we move away from the border the story gets even worse. 80% of the deportations have come from within 30 miles of the boarder. These are the easy ones to deport because most of them are new arrivals and are not overstaying visas so the president can use expedited deportation. However, most of the undocumented immigrants in the country are deeper into the interior. Many are in sanctuary cities where there is less cooperation with ICE. Most of them don't qualify for expedited removal.

Unless we change the law, the 4 to 6 million that overstayed their visas have to be handled in immigration court where each person get's a hearing and they have the right to have their case reviewed by a panel of judges. Many also have legal council, unlike expedite removal. Currently it is taking months to years to deport these people.

The bottom line is what we are doing is not working and you have a president that is zealously deporting everyone he can as fast as he can. What do you think will happen when a democrat is in the white house or congress is controlled by democrats where unlike Trump they would be very concerned with the rights and welfare of the detainees?

We need to look at a plan that at lease has a chance of working because what we are doing now will never work.

 

[francoHFW]

George Soros has pumped $18 billion into Open Society Foundations ...
www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-george-soros-foundation-20171017-story.html
Oct 17, 2017 - George Soros is founder and chairman of the Open Society Foundations. ... backer of liberal causes and candidates, including Hillary Clinton.

The open Society is about propagating democracy and transparency around the world. Has nothing to do with immigration. Brainwashed!

 

[candycorn]

Although there may be statistics that show certain groups vote "majority Democrat" the hope is that the parties will evolve to represent everyone for a more unified nation. The USA does not need to be torn apart from ongoing internal strife.

Not really because that's not what the Democrats want. They want very little opposition and the ability to control the entire country.

This is why they fought Kate's Law, the border, sanctuary cities. Their plot is to get as many of these illegals living in the country as possible, and if they ever gain enough power again, grant blanket citizenship. With citizenship comes the right to vote, and they know who these people will vote for.

It is reported that 1 out of 4 AMERICAN kids are Hispanic. In the future, how do you think they'll vote?

 

[francoHFW]

Hillary Clinton is announcing a call to citizenship for millions of immigrants as the immigration landscape shapes up for presidential candidates. What is holding back immigration's overhaul?
Laura Meckler

• 
  The Wall Street Journal
• @laurameckler
  
  LAS VEGAS—Hillary Clinton, bidding to maintain Democratic dominance among Hispanic voters, said Tuesday she would work to expand President Barack Obama’s executive actions protecting people in the U.S. illegally from deportation, and push for legislation including a path to citizenship.

And pass a goddamn plan to stop more from coming, not a stupid useless wall... Laura meckler is a liar and Spinner, super duper.

 

[JBond]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

This post is idiotic...not sure where to start. Obama policies in place? Safety of children from human sex traffickers? Drugs?

 

[protectionist]

Don't worry about the continuing ruin of the middle class and the working class and the infrastructure of the country... Tariffs will hit you too now. Enjoy!

"Continuing ruin of the middle class and the working class" ? HA HA HA. I told you guys that liberals are daf. Told'ja!

 

[francoHFW]

Although there may be statistics that show certain groups vote "majority Democrat" the hope is that the parties will evolve to represent everyone for a more unified nation. The USA does not need to be torn apart from ongoing internal strife.

Not really because that's not what the Democrats want. They want very little opposition and the ability to control the entire country.

This is why they fought Kate's Law, the border, sanctuary cities. Their plot is to get as many of these illegals living in the country as possible, and if they ever gain enough power again, grant blanket citizenship. With citizenship comes the right to vote, and they know who these people will vote for.

It is reported that 1 out of 4 AMERICAN kids are Hispanic. In the future, how do you think they'll vote?

They and blacks are natural Republicans but they know the GOP is full of racists and bigots. Tough luck.

 

[francoHFW]

Don't worry about the continuing ruin of the middle class and the working class and the infrastructure of the country... Tariffs will hit you too now. Enjoy!

"Continuing ruin of the middle class and the working class" ? HA HA HA. I told you guys that liberals are daf. Told'ja!

Yes the unemployment rate continues to go down icaramba. I'm talking about 35 years of GOP give away to the rich and cuts for the rest. This is GOP rule at work.


Over the past 35 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/blog/09/04/27/CongratulationstoEmmanuelSaez/
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA)
4 = Federated Prudent Bear Fund (A): Overview
4 = The Fed - Financial Accounts of the United States - Z.1 - Current Release
5/6 = http://www.businessinsider.com/15-charts

 

[candycorn]

Although there may be statistics that show certain groups vote "majority Democrat" the hope is that the parties will evolve to represent everyone for a more unified nation. The USA does not need to be torn apart from ongoing internal strife.

Not really because that's not what the Democrats want. They want very little opposition and the ability to control the entire country.

This is why they fought Kate's Law, the border, sanctuary cities. Their plot is to get as many of these illegals living in the country as possible, and if they ever gain enough power again, grant blanket citizenship. With citizenship comes the right to vote, and they know who these people will vote for.

It is reported that 1 out of 4 AMERICAN kids are Hispanic. In the future, how do you think they'll vote?

They and blacks are natural Republicans but they know the GOP is full of racists and bigots. Tough luck.

It is perplexing. They haven't won a popular vote since 2004 and haven't won a popular vote when they were not the incumbent since 1988. As Hispanic immigrants move from the South up into the northern reaches of the country (Where "we don't get many Hispanics" as the INS guy put it before he detained two women in Montana if memory serves), the carefully gerrymandered districts become vulnerable.

Whether the Democrats can hold on to the Hispanic vote is another question all together--nobody snatches defeat from the jaws of victory like a DEM. But the GOP is not doing itself any favors.