What is this "Do not mention Nazis" thing?

[Marion Morrison]

Okay, Sunsettommy , I can link you to an example of the problem here: The blowback from the Media Nazi references and incitement to mob actions.

They (the mods) were "trying" a solution to it and I caught the blowback from the censorship. That's why I


started this thread.

Because threads will devolve into discussions about TV shows from the 60s and 70s?



If that's the case, I may have to reconsider my stance ...

n00b boy doesn't know what's going on, but that doesn't slow him down in the least. No sir!

 

[Toro]

mdk asked the question about do we know ban the word "communist?" I've seen this get thrown around all the time, especially when Obama was President.

A simple Google search says that communism killed 100 million people. That's 3-4x as many who were killed by the Nazis. So why is "Nazi" more insidious that "communist?"

Is it because of the political biases, even unconsciously, of the mods making the decisions? It may or may not be, but it's a fair question.

FTR, I think neither should be censored. But these are the types of things that get opened up when people start making discretionary and arbitrary decisions about what is acceptable in a political context.

 

[del]

Without the Nazi's, the GOP would shrink dramatically.

Perfect example of why the word is being censored.

It turns discussion into a bait thread

What about stalin? Or Mao? Or any other oppressor?
Where does this pandoras box end?

I'm late to party. But you just can't look intelligent accusing someone of being a Mao or Stalin. They are as dead as Elvis. And it's not much better to accuse a MEMBER of BEING a nazi until you've seen a picture of them goosestepping and delivering Zyclon B to Auschwitz.

There's a lot concern for future of discussion at USMB. Because there's a lot of pessimism on Staff right now about the futility of trying to the keep the roof on this place when things are obviously getting this far into confrontation -- not discussion. I for one --- think most of the content in Politics and Current events is WORSE than than the senseless hysteria and shouting on Twitter. And Twitter is USELESS to find any truth.

Get us "our space". We'll get over it. But mods have feewlings also.. Right now I'm addicted to Angry Orchard cider and huddled in the fetal position for the past six days. Problems are BIGGER than USMB.

tissue?

 

[Vastator]

mdk asked the question about do we know ban the word "communist?" I've seen this get thrown around all the time, especially when Obama was President.

A simple Google search says that communism killed 100 million people. That's 3-4x as many who were killed by the Nazis. So why is "Nazi" more insidious that "communist?"

Is it because of the political biases, even unconsciously, of the mods making the decisions? It may or may not be, but it's a fair question.

FTR, I think neither should be censored. But these are the types of things that get opened up when people start making discretionary and arbitrary decisions about what is acceptable in a political context.

It's been my obsevation that Nazi has been far more villified than Communism due to our nation's history. In world war two the US allied with, financed, and supported Communist Russia among others. That being the case the US is in part responsible for the atrocities these Communist regimes committed. In an effort to perform a head fake, and take attention away from our hand in the deaths of millions; the tactic has been to grossly over inflate, and exponentially villifiy the actions of the Nazi regime.

 

[petro]

mdk asked the question about do we know ban the word "communist?" I've seen this get thrown around all the time, especially when Obama was President.

A simple Google search says that communism killed 100 million people. That's 3-4x as many who were killed by the Nazis. So why is "Nazi" more insidious that "communist?"

Is it because of the political biases, even unconsciously, of the mods making the decisions? It may or may not be, but it's a fair question.

FTR, I think neither should be censored. But these are the types of things that get opened up when people start making discretionary and arbitrary decisions about what is acceptable in a political context.

Had a post pulled yesterday that slammed both those who use Nazi or communist while calling no one such a thing.
Yet there are posts remaining calling the president that and his supporters.
Clearly the rule is flawed.

CDZ is the clean zone. As far as I am concerned the idiots who use the Nazi reference in other zones should be free to do so, so they can be seen for who they are, and others can call out their BS.

 

[Marion Morrison]

mdk asked the question about do we know ban the word "communist?" I've seen this get thrown around all the time, especially when Obama was President.

A simple Google search says that communism killed 100 million people. That's 3-4x as many who were killed by the Nazis. So why is "Nazi" more insidious that "communist?"

Is it because of the political biases, even unconsciously, of the mods making the decisions? It may or may not be, but it's a fair question.

FTR, I think neither should be censored. But these are the types of things that get opened up when people start making discretionary and arbitrary decisions about what is acceptable in a political context.

It's been my obsevation that Nazi has been far more villified than Communism due to our nation's history. In world war two the US allied with, financed, and supported Communist Russia among others. That being the case the US is in part responsible for the atrocities these Communist regimes committed. In an effort to perform a head fake, and take attention away from our hand in the deaths of millions; the tactic has been to grossly over inflate, and exponentially villifie the actions of the Nazi regime.

That's an interesting and quite plausible take on it.

 

[del]

Never gonna be "censorship" here. We want spaces for EVERY issue and EVERY level of discussion. That way we don't have to CHOOSE between being an all Mary Poppins board whacking every emotional outburst and flame and a place where moderation = mod discretion on everything.

Reason I came here were that the Zone2/3 rules were brilliant after Cereal_Killer adopted us. As long as you remember youre on a DISCUSSION board and that there is a TOPIC -- you can say pretty much whatever you want.

Sad truth is -- that's not what is really happening. Don't read too much into this. But there's Prozac in the Mod Room vending machines right now. No big decisions to announce quite yet..

you're kidding yourself if you think there's no censorship here. just look at what winds up in the badlands and the rubber room.

if the very difficult and important job of moderating is too much stress, quit.

there's no bars on the doors.

 

[del]

Sunsettommy Do you ever actually answer a question, or always reply with another question?

who wants to know?

 

[petro]

Never gonna be "censorship" here. We want spaces for EVERY issue and EVERY level of discussion. That way we don't have to CHOOSE between being an all Mary Poppins board whacking every emotional outburst and flame and a place where moderation = mod discretion on everything.

Reason I came here were that the Zone2/3 rules were brilliant after Cereal_Killer adopted us. As long as you remember youre on a DISCUSSION board and that there is a TOPIC -- you can say pretty much whatever you want.

Sad truth is -- that's not what is really happening. Don't read too much into this. But there's Prozac in the Mod Room vending machines right now. No big decisions to announce quite yet..

you're kidding yourself if you think there's no censorship here. just look at what winds up in the badlands and the rubber room.

if the very difficult and important job of moderating is too much stress, quit.

there's no bars on the doors.

Even i can see it applies to zones 2 and 3. Not the flame zone.
Do you even read the posts before you go off?

 

[del]

Never gonna be "censorship" here. We want spaces for EVERY issue and EVERY level of discussion. That way we don't have to CHOOSE between being an all Mary Poppins board whacking every emotional outburst and flame and a place where moderation = mod discretion on everything.

Reason I came here were that the Zone2/3 rules were brilliant after Cereal_Killer adopted us. As long as you remember youre on a DISCUSSION board and that there is a TOPIC -- you can say pretty much whatever you want.

Sad truth is -- that's not what is really happening. Don't read too much into this. But there's Prozac in the Mod Room vending machines right now. No big decisions to announce quite yet..

you're kidding yourself if you think there's no censorship here. just look at what winds up in the badlands and the rubber room.

if the very difficult and important job of moderating is too much stress, quit.

there's no bars on the doors.

Even i can see it applies to zones 2 and 3. Not the flame zone.
Do you even read the posts before you go off?

is your favorite color potato?

 

[Marion Morrison]

Never gonna be "censorship" here. We want spaces for EVERY issue and EVERY level of discussion. That way we don't have to CHOOSE between being an all Mary Poppins board whacking every emotional outburst and flame and a place where moderation = mod discretion on everything.

Reason I came here were that the Zone2/3 rules were brilliant after Cereal_Killer adopted us. As long as you remember youre on a DISCUSSION board and that there is a TOPIC -- you can say pretty much whatever you want.

Sad truth is -- that's not what is really happening. Don't read too much into this. But there's Prozac in the Mod Room vending machines right now. No big decisions to announce quite yet..

you're kidding yourself if you think there's no censorship here. just look at what winds up in the badlands and the rubber room.

if the very difficult and important job of moderating is too much stress, quit.

there's no bars on the doors.

Even i can see it applies to zones 2 and 3. Not the flame zone.
Do you even read the posts before you go off?

It's del. No.

 

[petro]

Never gonna be "censorship" here. We want spaces for EVERY issue and EVERY level of discussion. That way we don't have to CHOOSE between being an all Mary Poppins board whacking every emotional outburst and flame and a place where moderation = mod discretion on everything.

Reason I came here were that the Zone2/3 rules were brilliant after Cereal_Killer adopted us. As long as you remember youre on a DISCUSSION board and that there is a TOPIC -- you can say pretty much whatever you want.

Sad truth is -- that's not what is really happening. Don't read too much into this. But there's Prozac in the Mod Room vending machines right now. No big decisions to announce quite yet..

you're kidding yourself if you think there's no censorship here. just look at what winds up in the badlands and the rubber room.

if the very difficult and important job of moderating is too much stress, quit.

there's no bars on the doors.

Even i can see it applies to zones 2 and 3. Not the flame zone.
Do you even read the posts before you go off?

It's del. No.

And Del gave exactly the reply I expected, which was none at all.

 

[Toro]

mdk asked the question about do we know ban the word "communist?" I've seen this get thrown around all the time, especially when Obama was President.

A simple Google search says that communism killed 100 million people. That's 3-4x as many who were killed by the Nazis. So why is "Nazi" more insidious that "communist?"

Is it because of the political biases, even unconsciously, of the mods making the decisions? It may or may not be, but it's a fair question.

FTR, I think neither should be censored. But these are the types of things that get opened up when people start making discretionary and arbitrary decisions about what is acceptable in a political context.

It's been my obsevation that Nazi has been far more villified than Communism due to our nation's history. In world war two the US allied with, financed, and supported Communist Russia among others. That being the case the US is in part responsible for the atrocities these Communist regimes committed. In an effort to perform a head fake, and take attention away from our hand in the deaths of millions; the tactic has been to grossly over inflate, and exponentially villifiy the actions of the Nazi regime.

I grew up in Canada and lived in the UK, and the term "communist" in America means something different here than elsewhere. In most parts of the world, "communist" and "socialist" mean different things. In America, they are often synonymous. The socialists in Sweden, France, the UK, etc., are very different from the communists in the USSR, N Korea, Cuba, etc. But in America, people often use the word "communist" when everyone else would use the word "socialist."

 

[del]

Never gonna be "censorship" here. We want spaces for EVERY issue and EVERY level of discussion. That way we don't have to CHOOSE between being an all Mary Poppins board whacking every emotional outburst and flame and a place where moderation = mod discretion on everything.

Reason I came here were that the Zone2/3 rules were brilliant after Cereal_Killer adopted us. As long as you remember youre on a DISCUSSION board and that there is a TOPIC -- you can say pretty much whatever you want.

Sad truth is -- that's not what is really happening. Don't read too much into this. But there's Prozac in the Mod Room vending machines right now. No big decisions to announce quite yet..

you're kidding yourself if you think there's no censorship here. just look at what winds up in the badlands and the rubber room.

if the very difficult and important job of moderating is too much stress, quit.

there's no bars on the doors.

Even i can see it applies to zones 2 and 3. Not the flame zone.
Do you even read the posts before you go off?

It's del. No.

And Del gave exactly the reply I expected, which was none at all.

you misspelled deserved

tighten up, corky

 

[saveliberty]

Seems to work fine..

The word was getting mod edited in another thread

One thing is for sure. Censorship is a good start on destroying liberty.

Never gonna be "censorship" here. We want spaces for EVERY issue and EVERY level of discussion. That way we don't have to CHOOSE between being an all Mary Poppins board whacking every emotional outburst and flame and a place where moderation = mod discretion on everything.

Reason I came here were that the Zone2/3 rules were brilliant after Cereal_Killer adopted us. As long as you remember youre on a DISCUSSION board and that there is a TOPIC -- you can say pretty much whatever you want.

Sad truth is -- that's not what is really happening. Don't read too much into this. But there's Prozac in the Mod Room vending machines right now. No big decisions to announce quite yet..

Jeans on casual Fridays?

 

[OldLady]

I called a true neo nazi on here a neo nazi and the neo nazi reported me for correctly calling them a neo nazi. They are amongst the biggest snowflakes on this forum.

Do you check under your bed for Nazis before you go to sleep? Just look at all these Nazis....how do I know they are Nazis? Because the media said so....because they are carrying torches....I have a couple of these torches on my back patio to ward of mosquitoes.....jus saying ya know.

Start chanting "You Will Not Replace Us" and "Blood and Soil." That's the other part, besides symbolically sending this message:

 

[OldLady]

Seems to work fine..

The word was getting mod edited in another thread

One thing is for sure. Censorship is a good start on destroying liberty.

There's nothing wrong with taking responsibility for what comes out of your mouth. I never hear you using that kind of language. What is wrong with flushing it off the debating forums here?

 

[Marion Morrison]

Seems to work fine..

The word was getting mod edited in another thread

One thing is for sure. Censorship is a good start on destroying liberty.

There's nothing wrong with taking responsibility for what comes out of your mouth. I never hear you using that kind of language. What is wrong with flushing it off the debating forums here?

Could it be the censorship and denying history thing? Yeah! I think it could.

 

[flacaltenn]

I have seen the use of the word Nazi being used on people they don't agree with. It is a form of a personal attack that should be stopped cold as it a pernicious way of trying to attach a hostile label on someone they want to knock down.

In other places the Forum Boss simply censored the word, or have the mods treat as a name calling violation, As a Moderator at WUWT, I have seen the word Nazi be thrown around casually that had no relation to history, it is an attack that was declared a no no by the blog owner, it quickly vanished.

Calling people names is only useful when you can back it up, but the word Nazi isn't of them since that awful piece of history ran out in 1945, that should be clamped down.

Got it, you vote for censorship.

Boooooo, hisssssss!

Nope, I voted for keeping threads on topic without gratuitous personal attacks.

Well, that’s virtuous and all, but who decides what’s “gratuitous”?

There's a well known saying that "the Nazi calling comes out when the discussion stops". It's actually quite true. And for ME it's a white flag saying the person is done discussing or can't discuss and the gun is empty. So -- generally it is pretty obvious when it's gratuitous. The use of the word generally can't be backed up either.

I think you asked about a member advocating genocide. That's already not wanted on USMB. But in the context of THAT thread if the post is still there -- AND you reference the quote -- I would never ding anyone on that. But the post should not BE there in the 1st place. Not all genocides were Nazis. So it's not really necessary to even pull it then. Unless you're short of time or wit to come up with a more generic label.

 

[Sunsettommy]

I suggest that you follow a more respectful and mature method of debate, leaving out the childish put downs that are not helping you at all.

How the hell have you survived here since March?

That is a good question!

Several people have been punished for their low brow attacks on me, put one person on permanent ignore because ALL of his replies were insults, name calling and nothing else. There were postings I didn't bother reporting as their name calling immaturity was so glaring, that keeping it open to the world destroys their credibility as a debater.

Since they employ a lot of uwarranted personal attacks on me, they quickly lose credibility as I reply with credible counterpoints they often ignore by posting more insults and employ retorts on what I stated, in their next reply.