What Offense Did the Ukrainian People Commit That Caused Them to Be Bombed into Oblivion by The Russian Military at the Command of Putin?

[AntonToo]

You're quick to cite recognized, international authorities and institutions when it comes to Ukraine and Russia, but not when it comes to Israel and the Palestinians.

You don't know what you are talking about. Palestine was not a country recognized by United States, and has a limited state status in UN.

I fully support adherence to international law, this applies to everywhere, not some specific countries.

 

[georgephillip]

Another Kremlin stooge heard from.

This one has been gone since the last election

Can you name the greatest purveyor of violence on this planet since 1945?

"'I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without first having spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today: my own government.' - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr."

https://www.gp.org/happy_birthday_mlk

 

[TruthNotBS]

So you think Putin is suicidal.

Because any retaliation would hit Moscow and any dacha that Putin has ever been associated with.

He’d be dead or the President of a smoking hole in the ground

He knows that even if you don’t and the people around him do as well

And you and I would be dead too you idiot, because we insisted on spreading NATO into Eastern Europe and saber-rattling on Russia's border. If Ukraine uses Western-supplied long-range missiles to strike deep into Russia, that's a direct confrontation with Russia. Putin states that the Russian military will be taking out the logistical apparatus that arms Ukraine, even if it means bombing a warehouse in Poland or Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Germany..etc.

That's us fighting Russia, directly, without a proxy. So you're a brain-dead retard, that continues pushing for more instability and conflict in Eastern Europe, saber-rattling with NATO on Russia's border. We would not allow Russia to do to us here in the Western Hemisphere, what we are doing to it right on its doorstep. We wouldn't allow it, so why should Russia allow us to do it to them? They'll go to war with us.

 

[AntonToo]

And you and I would be dead too you idiot

Putin doesn't give a shit about you, it's about his own skin and he is not about order his own nuclear immolation (let alone be able to convince his generals to go along) unless it's absolutely last resort. Nothing about Ukrane is in that category, which exactly why it's nothing but empty threats.

 

[TruthNotBS]

You don't know what you are talking about.

I fully support adherence to international law, this applies to everywhere, not some specific countries.

Palestine was not an internationally recognized country until June 2024, before that it was just a territory.

Did the Jews have an "internationally recognized" Western-style nation-state before 1948? Your brain is rotting. According to the exact same international authorities and institutions that you appeal to, in defense of Ukrainian sovereignty, the Zionist Jewish State of Israhell is illegally occupying the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza. Do you want me to list all of the UN resolutions and what international law states about the ILLEGAL Israeli occupation of Palestine? I will do it, just ask me.

Before the Soviet Union, Ukraine was not a unified nation-state in the modern sense. Throughout its history, Ukraine was divided and ruled by various empires and powers, such as the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Ottoman Empire, and the Russian Empire. While there were several attempts at creating independent Ukrainian states or autonomous regions, these efforts were often short-lived or suppressed by foreign powers.

It was the Soviet Union that consolidated Ukraine as a Soviet Socialist Republic in 1922, integrating it as one of its founding members and solidifying its borders, though these borders changed over time. After the collapse of the USSR in 1991, Ukraine became an independent nation-state. So your argument against Palestine is SHIT. Trash, because following your same fuzzy-logic, Ukraine isn't a valid state, and hence no one can occupy it. So again, FUCK YOU. You're a piece of shit.

And one more thing, according to international law, a nation can't undermine the national security of another country. So if one country considers a Cold War military alliance, that is inherently hostile to its national security, it has a right to act, militarily, against the aggressor. Ukraine and assholes of your ilk (Western imperialist scumbags), are the ones committing the aggression, threatening Russia, saber-rattling with American troops and hardware, with NATO, right on Russia's border. So Ukraine deserves whatever it gets. It's receiving its just desserts. Pay the piper biatch.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Putin doesn't give a shit about you, it's about his own skin and he is not about order his own nuclear immolation (let alone be able to convince his generals to go along) unless it's absolutely last resort. Nothing about Ukrane is in that category, which exactly why it's nothing but empty threats.

As Putin said, if Ukraine with the assistance of NATO, begins firing long-range British and American missiles deep into Russia, that's the end of the proxy war. Russia will be attacking NATO territory, destroying the logistical infrastructure that supplies Ukraine with its Western weapons. It may also resort to using tactical nukes in Ukraine.

You're doing all of this unnecessarily out of rancor for Russia. There's no reason to deploy NATO on Russia's border. We wouldn't allow Russia to deploy its forces on our border with Mexico or Canada, actually, we wouldn't allow it to deploy its military, build bases..etc, anywhere in the Western Hemisphere, but Anton wants us to do that to Russia, right on Russia's doorstep, because he's a MISORUSSOPHOBE and American imperialist SCUMBAG.

 

[AntonToo]

As Putin said, if Ukraine with the assistance of NATO, begins firing long-range British and American missiles deep into Russia, that's the end of the proxy war. Russia will be attacking NATO territory destroying the logistical infrastructure that supplies Ukraine with its Western weapons. It may also resort to using tactical nukes in Ukraine.

Quoted to be made fun of very soon, when long range missiles start hitting into Russia.

London Approves British-Ukrainian Cruise Missile Attacks Across Russia: West Moves to Escalate Deeper Strikes

The United Kingdom has approved strikes using Storm Shadow cruise missiles for attack across Russian territory, according to a report on September 11 from British media

militarywatchmagazine.com

Biden Poised to Approve Ukraine’s Use of Long-Range Western Weapons in Russia

The topic will be on the agenda Friday as Britain’s new prime minister, Keir Starmer, visits the White House.

www.nytimes.com

 

[TruthNotBS]

Quoted to be made fun of very soon, when long range missiles start hitting into Russia.

Biden Poised to Approve Ukraine’s Use of Long-Range Western Weapons in Russia

The topic will be on the agenda Friday as Britain’s new prime minister, Keir Starmer, visits the White House.

www.nytimes.com

For your sake and mine, I hope you're correct, otherwise, we're fucked.

 

[AntonToo]

For your sake and mine, I hope you're correct, otherwise, we're fucked.

Of course I'm correct.

Putin is not going to suicide himself over a non-critical situation. He'll capitulate Donbas ten times over before he even begins to seriously consider nukes.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Of course I'm correct. Putin is not scuicidal.

You fight in a war and if you die, you die. That's how it works Anton. He wouldn't commit suicide, he would do his job, carry out his duty as the head of state of Russia, and attack the aggressor that is firing missiles into Russia. The war between NATO and Russia would begin as a conventional war, but unfortunately, it's very easy for two nuclear powers to start fighting conventionally and end with this:

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All of this is unnecessary. We don;t have to have NATO deployed on Russia's border.

 

[AntonToo]

You fight in a war and if you die, you die. That's how it works Anton. He wouldn't commit suicide, he would do his job, carry out his duty as the head of state of Russia

Wtf? His duty #1 is to make sure Russia doesn't end up as a radiocative wasteland.

Using nukes is a quick way to ensure that it will be and doing that for non-critical reason of last resort would OF COURSE be monumental, suicidal malpractice.

Your arguments do not make any fn sense.

 

[AntonToo]

All of this is unnecessary. We don;t have to have NATO deployed on Russia's border.

Dummy, Russia has had NATO on it's border for many peaceful decades and you think NOW thats a serious reason for Russia to commit suicide?

Putin, with "NATO on his border" not only did not use nukes, but one the contrary, declared expanded NATO co-operation.

As 19 alliance leaders and the Russian president, Vladimir Putin took turns signing an agreement creating a new Nato-Russia council, the US president, George Bush, said: "Two former foes are now joined as partners."

Accepting the new accord, launched at an Italian air base near Rome, Mr Putin said: "We have come a long way from confrontation to dialogue, and from confrontation to cooperation."

Russia signs historic Nato accord

· Deal struck between old enemies · Bush: 'two foes are now partners' · Blair hints at Iraq action

www.theguardian.com

There has been only one problem with NATO for Putin - it won't let him pressure it's members with a threat of millitary invasion.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Dummy, Russia has had NATO on it's border for many peaceful decades and you think NOW thats a serious reason for Russia to commit suicide?

Russia allowed our saber-rattling with NATO on its border when it was much weaker in the 1990s, but Putin has been warning us for the last 24 years, that Ukraine is the redline. You can laugh, and flippantly dismiss his complaints, but the quagmire we're now witnessing in Ukraine, is a consequence of our indifference, and the situation isn't going to get any better if we continue.

 

[AntonToo]

Russia allowed our saber-rattling with NATO on its border when it was much weaker in the 1990s

to re-iterate:

Putin in 2000s, with "NATO on his border", not only did not use nukes, but one the contrary, declared expanded NATO co-operation.

As 19 alliance leaders and the Russian president, Vladimir Putin took turns signing an agreement creating a new Nato-Russia council, the US president, George Bush, said: "Two former foes are now joined as partners."

Accepting the new accord, launched at an Italian air base near Rome, Mr Putin said: "We have come a long way from confrontation to dialogue, and from confrontation to cooperation."

Russia signs historic Nato accord
· Deal struck between old enemies · Bush: 'two foes are now partners' · Blair hints at Iraq action

www.theguardian.com


There has been only one problem with NATO for Putin - it won't let him pressure it's members with a threat of millitary invasion.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Wtf? His duty #1 is to make sure Russia doesn't end up as a radiocative wasteland.

Using nukes is a quick way to ensure that it will be and doing that for non-critical reason of last resort would OF COURSE be monumental, suicidal malpractice.

Your arguments do not make any fn sense.

You don't comprehend what you read, that's your problem. Our war with Russia will begin as a conventional one, and it can easily go nuclear.

 

[TruthNotBS]

to re-iterate:

Putin in 2000s, with "NATO on his border", not only did not use nukes, but one the contrary, declared expanded NATO co-operation.

As 19 alliance leaders and the Russian president, Vladimir Putin took turns signing an agreement creating a new Nato-Russia council, the US president, George Bush, said: "Two former foes are now joined as partners."

Accepting the new accord, launched at an Italian air base near Rome, Mr Putin said: "We have come a long way from confrontation to dialogue, and from confrontation to cooperation."

Russia signs historic Nato accord
· Deal struck between old enemies · Bush: 'two foes are now partners' · Blair hints at Iraq action

www.theguardian.com


There has been only one problem with NATO for Putin - it won't let him pressure it's members with a threat of millitary invasion.

He warned that Ukraine will never become a member of NATO. It can join the EU, but not NATO.

 

[AntonToo]

You don't comprehend what you read, that's your problem. Our war with Russia will begin as a conventional one, and it can easily go nuclear.

Conventional war with NATO will be quick demolition of Russian army presence in Ukraine.

For now Russia can't even handle 22nd army in the world and you actually think it's going to hold off a serious conventional confrontation with NATO?

Clueless.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Conventional war with NATO will be quick demolition of Russian army in Ukraine. For now Russia can't even handle 22nd army in the world.

Again, I hope you're right, or we're all up the creek without a paddle.

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[AntonToo]

He warned that Ukraine will never become a member of NATO. It can join the EU, but not NATO.

OR WHAT? He will press the button to turn Russia into burned nuclear wasteland?

Thats the fundamental part of nuclear deterance you don't seem to get.

 

[Lesh]

And you and I would be dead too you idiot, because we insisted on spreading NATO into Eastern Europe and saber-rattling on Russia's border. If Ukraine uses Western-supplied long-range missiles to strike deep into Russia, that's a direct confrontation with Russia. Putin states that the Russian military will be taking out the logistical apparatus that arms Ukraine, even if it means bombing a warehouse in Poland or Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Germany..etc.

That's us fighting Russia, directly, without a proxy. So you're a brain-dead retard, that continues pushing for more instability and conflict in Eastern Europe, saber-rattling with NATO on Russia's border. We would not allow Russia to do to us here in the Western Hemisphere, what we are doing to it right on its doorstep. We wouldn't allow it, so why should Russia allow us to do it to them? They'll go to war with us.

The “us”is you and Putin.

And I doubt he is suicidal