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From my angle:
Conservatives:
Traditional values
Critical application
Homeland security
Strength and unity
Our Constitution
Intellectual honesty
Personal accountability
Progressives:
Stomp out traditional values
Emotional responses
One world disorder and open borders
Weakness and division
Destroying the Constitution
Intellectual dishonesty
Govt. accountability for the individual while everyone gets a trophy
An obsession with the victim role
Men are chicks and homosexuality equals heterosexuality
Racism and projection of racism
Feminizing males
I forgot one, such as progressives talk in circles because they can't defend themselves. See Pogo.
Wrong!
For my angle:
Conservatives:
Reverse all social, government and economic reforms made in the last 150 years.
Funnel all wealth into a small handful of people thereby creating a new defacto world wide monarchy
Install a strict socio-economic class system
Believe in and promote a lockstep set of beliefs demonizing anyone that expresses individual thought
The belief that a persons 'class', race, birthright or inheritance should be the chief determinant of their socio-economic status.
The belief that to be a 'true American' just means being born in the U.S. and being White
Liberals:
Individuals that have a wide range of ideas on how to improve society
Individuals that often disagree with each other on many issues
The general belief that government must evolve as society evolves
A desire for a more fair and just society
A society that rewards individual achievement rather than class status, inheritance or birthright.
A morally decent society that ensure even the poorest can live a reasonable standard of living
A realization that each of us is a member of a society and that we all benefit from a healthier, fairer society.
The belief that to be a True American means believing in and living by the philosophy and principals of the founding fathers and enlightenment thinkers - regardless of where you were born or what race you are.
`What's the difference between understanding one's own history and purveying bullshit terms of which one has no clue in the world of their meaning?<snipped for brevity>
Progressivism is the support for and/or advocacy of improvement of society by reform. That is diametric to what a conservative is. It is today largely synonymous with the left or left-of-center political ideology. As a philosophy, it is based on the idea of progress, which asserts that advancements in science, technology, economic development and social organization are vital to the improvement of the human condition.
I agree that Progressivism is the support for and/or advocacy of improvement of society by reform, but I disagree that Conservatives don't support or advocate improvement of society. I feel Conservatives merely want a more careful and moderately paced change. By definition, Conservatives want to CONSERVE the things that we have while modifying as we go to ensure we end up with well thought out change.
It's the Liberals who want to plunge into change without thought of consequences and only care about their power. I can't support them.
Progressives define improvement by being more like a 3rd world country. That's why they see us as a worse version of undeveloped cultures.
And because they lie, they call themselves progressives. They really are regressives.
And yet ---- the OP can't define what he's talking about and neither can you.
I've been putting this same question up on this board for five years. The next answer will be the first.
`What's the difference between understanding one's own history and purveying bullshit terms of which one has no clue in the world of their meaning?<snipped for brevity>
Progressivism is the support for and/or advocacy of improvement of society by reform. That is diametric to what a conservative is. It is today largely synonymous with the left or left-of-center political ideology. As a philosophy, it is based on the idea of progress, which asserts that advancements in science, technology, economic development and social organization are vital to the improvement of the human condition.
I agree that Progressivism is the support for and/or advocacy of improvement of society by reform, but I disagree that Conservatives don't support or advocate improvement of society. I feel Conservatives merely want a more careful and moderately paced change. By definition, Conservatives want to CONSERVE the things that we have while modifying as we go to ensure we end up with well thought out change.
It's the Liberals who want to plunge into change without thought of consequences and only care about their power. I can't support them.
Progressives define improvement by being more like a 3rd world country. That's why they see us as a worse version of undeveloped cultures.
And because they lie, they call themselves progressives. They really are regressives.
And yet ---- the OP can't define what he's talking about and neither can you.
I've been putting this same question up on this board for five years. The next answer will be the first.
Progressives play make-believe and then declare themselves the winner. Everyone gets a trophy.
Everything you think a conservative is was told to you by your masters in the media and repeated by other lemmings of the media.From my angle:
Conservatives:
Traditional values
Critical application
Homeland security
Strength and unity
Our Constitution
Intellectual honesty
Personal accountability
Progressives:
Stomp out traditional values
Emotional responses
One world disorder and open borders
Weakness and division
Destroying the Constitution
Intellectual dishonesty
Govt. accountability for the individual while everyone gets a trophy
An obsession with the victim role
Men are chicks and homosexuality equals heterosexuality
Racism and projection of racism
Feminizing males
I forgot one, such as progressives talk in circles because they can't defend themselves. See Pogo.
Wrong!
For my angle:
Conservatives:
Reverse all social, government and economic reforms made in the last 150 years.
Funnel all wealth into a small handful of people thereby creating a new defacto world wide monarchy
Install a strict socio-economic class system
Believe in and promote a lockstep set of beliefs demonizing anyone that expresses individual thought
The belief that a persons 'class', race, birthright or inheritance should be the chief determinant of their socio-economic status.
The belief that to be a 'true American' just means being born in the U.S. and being White
Liberals:
Individuals that have a wide range of ideas on how to improve society
Individuals that often disagree with each other on many issues
The general belief that government must evolve as society evolves
A desire for a more fair and just society
A society that rewards individual achievement rather than class status, inheritance or birthright.
A morally decent society that ensure even the poorest can live a reasonable standard of living
A realization that each of us is a member of a society and that we all benefit from a healthier, fairer society.
The belief that to be a True American means believing in and living by the philosophy and principals of the founding fathers and enlightenment thinkers - regardless of where you were born or what race you are.
Wow, that’s the rosiest, Puerto Rican shower I’ve ever seen given to early 20th century progressivism. Hey, let’s ban alcohol for everyone and really stick it to those saloon bosses, that’ll show them. Also, we should really make sure those “undesirables” aren’t, you know, getting mixed into the gene pool, wink wink nod nod...well because that’s science. And you know what else, we can really make the whole government thing more efficient if we just add beuracracy to it. While we’re at it, we need more government power to make sure cattle, I mean, citizens are living a more “desirable” lifestyle.What's the difference between understanding one's own history and purveying bullshit terms of which one has no clue in the world of their meaning?
>> The Progressive Era is a period of widespread social activism and political reform across the United States that spanned from the 1890s to the 1920s.[1] The main objectives of the Progressive movement were eliminating problems caused by industrialization, urbanization, immigration, and corruption in government.
The movement primarily targeted political machines and their bosses. By taking down these corrupt representatives in office a further means of direct democracy would be established. They also sought regulation of monopolies (Trust Busting) and corporations through antitrust laws. These antitrust laws were seen as a way to promote equal competition for the advantage of legitimate competitors.
Many progressives supported prohibition of alcoholic beverages, ostensibly to destroy the political power of local bosses based in saloons, but others out of a religious motivation.[2] At the same time, women's suffrage was promoted to bring a "purer" female vote into the arena.[3] A third theme was building an Efficiency Movement in every sector that could identify old ways that needed modernizing, and bring to bear scientific, medical and engineering solutions; a key part of the efficiency movement was scientific management, or "Taylorism". << --- Wiki
One of the most enjoyable progressive talking points is "conservatives only serve the wealthy and want $ distributed to a few". Consistent with the OP, this is an emotional response that involves no critical application. That's not an opinion it's a fact as supported by:
A. The wealthiest people today are "liberal".
B. The wealthiest zip codes are primarily liberal.
C. California leads the path for today's "progress"ive values. The middle class are evacuating California, leaving the untra-wealthy and ultra-poor.
Wow, that’s the rosiest, Puerto Rican shower I’ve ever seen given to early 20th century progressivism. Hey, let’s ban alcohol for everyone and really stick it to those saloon bosses, that’ll show them. Also, we should really make sure those “undesirables” aren’t, you know, getting mixed into the gene pool, wink wink nod nod...well because that’s science. And you know what else, we can really make the whole government thing more efficient if we just add beuracracy to it. While we’re at it, we need more government power to make sure cattle, I mean, citizens are living a more “desirable” lifestyle.What's the difference between understanding one's own history and purveying bullshit terms of which one has no clue in the world of their meaning?
>> The Progressive Era is a period of widespread social activism and political reform across the United States that spanned from the 1890s to the 1920s.[1] The main objectives of the Progressive movement were eliminating problems caused by industrialization, urbanization, immigration, and corruption in government.
The movement primarily targeted political machines and their bosses. By taking down these corrupt representatives in office a further means of direct democracy would be established. They also sought regulation of monopolies (Trust Busting) and corporations through antitrust laws. These antitrust laws were seen as a way to promote equal competition for the advantage of legitimate competitors.
Many progressives supported prohibition of alcoholic beverages, ostensibly to destroy the political power of local bosses based in saloons, but others out of a religious motivation.[2] At the same time, women's suffrage was promoted to bring a "purer" female vote into the arena.[3] A third theme was building an Efficiency Movement in every sector that could identify old ways that needed modernizing, and bring to bear scientific, medical and engineering solutions; a key part of the efficiency movement was scientific management, or "Taylorism". << --- Wiki
Yea Americans rejected progressivism hard, which is why FDR has to rebrand it as liberalism. But Hitler certainly didn’t, he embraced it to its fullest extent.
`I agree that Progressivism is the support for and/or advocacy of improvement of society by reform, but I disagree that Conservatives don't support or advocate improvement of society. I feel Conservatives merely want a more careful and moderately paced change. By definition, Conservatives want to CONSERVE the things that we have while modifying as we go to ensure we end up with well thought out change. It's the Liberals who want to plunge into change without thought of consequences and only care about their power. I can't support them.
From my angle:
Conservatives:
Traditional values
Critical application
Homeland security
Strength and unity
Our Constitution
Intellectual honesty
Personal accountability
Progressives:
Stomp out traditional values
Emotional responses
One world disorder and open borders
Weakness and division
Destroying the Constitution
Intellectual dishonesty
Govt. accountability for the individual while everyone gets a trophy
An obsession with the victim role
Men are chicks and homosexuality equals heterosexuality
Racism and projection of racism
Feminizing males
I forgot one, such as progressives talk in circles because they can't defend themselves. See Pogo.
Wrong!
For my angle:
Conservatives:
Reverse all social, government and economic reforms made in the last 150 years.
Funnel all wealth into a small handful of people thereby creating a new defacto world wide monarchy
Install a strict socio-economic class system
Believe in and promote a lockstep set of beliefs demonizing anyone that expresses individual thought
The belief that a persons 'class', race, birthright or inheritance should be the chief determinant of their socio-economic status.
The belief that to be a 'true American' just means being born in the U.S. and being White
Liberals:
Individuals that have a wide range of ideas on how to improve society
Individuals that often disagree with each other on many issues
The general belief that government must evolve as society evolves
A desire for a more fair and just society
A society that rewards individual achievement rather than class status, inheritance or birthright.
A morally decent society that ensure even the poorest can live a reasonable standard of living
A realization that each of us is a member of a society and that we all benefit from a healthier, fairer society.
The belief that to be a True American means believing in and living by the philosophy and principals of the founding fathers and enlightenment thinkers - regardless of where you were born or what race you are.
Leftists have wide range of ideas and and often disagree with each other?
More proof regarding the lies. If their access to the echo chamber is interrupted, a quick delivery to the cry closet is needed.
Everything you think a conservative is was told to you by your masters in the media and repeated by other lemmings of the media.From my angle:
Conservatives:
Traditional values
Critical application
Homeland security
Strength and unity
Our Constitution
Intellectual honesty
Personal accountability
Progressives:
Stomp out traditional values
Emotional responses
One world disorder and open borders
Weakness and division
Destroying the Constitution
Intellectual dishonesty
Govt. accountability for the individual while everyone gets a trophy
An obsession with the victim role
Men are chicks and homosexuality equals heterosexuality
Racism and projection of racism
Feminizing males
I forgot one, such as progressives talk in circles because they can't defend themselves. See Pogo.
Wrong!
For my angle:
Conservatives:
Reverse all social, government and economic reforms made in the last 150 years.
Funnel all wealth into a small handful of people thereby creating a new defacto world wide monarchy
Install a strict socio-economic class system
Believe in and promote a lockstep set of beliefs demonizing anyone that expresses individual thought
The belief that a persons 'class', race, birthright or inheritance should be the chief determinant of their socio-economic status.
The belief that to be a 'true American' just means being born in the U.S. and being White
Liberals:
Individuals that have a wide range of ideas on how to improve society
Individuals that often disagree with each other on many issues
The general belief that government must evolve as society evolves
A desire for a more fair and just society
A society that rewards individual achievement rather than class status, inheritance or birthright.
A morally decent society that ensure even the poorest can live a reasonable standard of living
A realization that each of us is a member of a society and that we all benefit from a healthier, fairer society.
The belief that to be a True American means believing in and living by the philosophy and principals of the founding fathers and enlightenment thinkers - regardless of where you were born or what race you are.
After Wilson, who was very progressive, progressivism left a bad taste in the mouth of Americans. FDR, who was very progressive, obviously, did not want to be associated with progressivism, so he took over the term liberal as a rebranding, even though it’s a misnomer. Which is why the Democratic Party used to call themselves liberal, up until recently. And socially, at least 10 years ago or so, they were more liberal, just not fiscally. Anyway, this is why what would be considered traditional/jeffersonian liberal (or what is known as liberal in Europe), had to be rebranded as libertarian in the 60s or 70s (whenever that happened). This is also the reason why our politics no longer fit in the European/traditional political spectrum.Wow, that’s the rosiest, Puerto Rican shower I’ve ever seen given to early 20th century progressivism. Hey, let’s ban alcohol for everyone and really stick it to those saloon bosses, that’ll show them. Also, we should really make sure those “undesirables” aren’t, you know, getting mixed into the gene pool, wink wink nod nod...well because that’s science. And you know what else, we can really make the whole government thing more efficient if we just add beuracracy to it. While we’re at it, we need more government power to make sure cattle, I mean, citizens are living a more “desirable” lifestyle.What's the difference between understanding one's own history and purveying bullshit terms of which one has no clue in the world of their meaning?
>> The Progressive Era is a period of widespread social activism and political reform across the United States that spanned from the 1890s to the 1920s.[1] The main objectives of the Progressive movement were eliminating problems caused by industrialization, urbanization, immigration, and corruption in government.
The movement primarily targeted political machines and their bosses. By taking down these corrupt representatives in office a further means of direct democracy would be established. They also sought regulation of monopolies (Trust Busting) and corporations through antitrust laws. These antitrust laws were seen as a way to promote equal competition for the advantage of legitimate competitors.
Many progressives supported prohibition of alcoholic beverages, ostensibly to destroy the political power of local bosses based in saloons, but others out of a religious motivation.[2] At the same time, women's suffrage was promoted to bring a "purer" female vote into the arena.[3] A third theme was building an Efficiency Movement in every sector that could identify old ways that needed modernizing, and bring to bear scientific, medical and engineering solutions; a key part of the efficiency movement was scientific management, or "Taylorism". << --- Wiki
Yea Americans rejected progressivism hard, which is why FDR has to rebrand it as liberalism. But Hitler certainly didn’t, he embraced it to its fullest extent.
Liberalism has ZERO to do with Progressivism. Liberalism was so branded long before FDR or his grandparents were even born. It's what created this country and wrote its Constitution. Had nothing to do with Progressivism that would bubble up a century later, NOR did "Americans reject it" when it did. On the contrary it (finally) gave women the vote, despite the objections of supposedly "Progressive" President Wilson, it broke up monopoly trusts under Progressive President (T) Roosevelt, and for better or worse it did succeed in passing Prohibition, which was undone in the FDR administration and which was a culmination of the Temperance Movement that long predated Progressivism.
As for your last line, Godwin's Law dismisses. "Hitler" my ass. No idea what a "Puerto Rican shower" is supposed to mean but I suspect Godwin has a corollary for that too.
Trump didn't grow up in a conservative area at all.Everything you think a conservative is was told to you by your masters in the media and repeated by other lemmings of the media.From my angle:
Conservatives:
Traditional values
Critical application
Homeland security
Strength and unity
Our Constitution
Intellectual honesty
Personal accountability
Progressives:
Stomp out traditional values
Emotional responses
One world disorder and open borders
Weakness and division
Destroying the Constitution
Intellectual dishonesty
Govt. accountability for the individual while everyone gets a trophy
An obsession with the victim role
Men are chicks and homosexuality equals heterosexuality
Racism and projection of racism
Feminizing males
I forgot one, such as progressives talk in circles because they can't defend themselves. See Pogo.
Wrong!
For my angle:
Conservatives:
Reverse all social, government and economic reforms made in the last 150 years.
Funnel all wealth into a small handful of people thereby creating a new defacto world wide monarchy
Install a strict socio-economic class system
Believe in and promote a lockstep set of beliefs demonizing anyone that expresses individual thought
The belief that a persons 'class', race, birthright or inheritance should be the chief determinant of their socio-economic status.
The belief that to be a 'true American' just means being born in the U.S. and being White
Liberals:
Individuals that have a wide range of ideas on how to improve society
Individuals that often disagree with each other on many issues
The general belief that government must evolve as society evolves
A desire for a more fair and just society
A society that rewards individual achievement rather than class status, inheritance or birthright.
A morally decent society that ensure even the poorest can live a reasonable standard of living
A realization that each of us is a member of a society and that we all benefit from a healthier, fairer society.
The belief that to be a True American means believing in and living by the philosophy and principals of the founding fathers and enlightenment thinkers - regardless of where you were born or what race you are.
Wrong fool!
I have lived most of my life in predominantly conservative areas - about 5 miles from where Trump grew up. I know conservatives!
Traditional values. Like fucking porn stars and defrauding the elderly at a fake university.From my angle:
Conservatives:
Traditional values
Critical application
Homeland security
Strength and unity
Our Constitution
Intellectual honesty
Personal accountability
After Wilson, who was very progressive, progressivism left a bad taste in the mouth of Americans. FDR, who was very progressive, obviously, did not want to be associated with progressivism, so he took over the term liberal as a rebranding, even though it’s a misnomer. Which is why the Democratic Party used to call themselves liberal, up until recently. And socially, at least 10 years ago or so, they were more liberal, just not fiscally. Anyway, this is why what would be considered traditional/jeffersonian liberal (or what is known as liberal in Europe), had to be rebranded as libertarian in the 60s or 70s (whenever that happened). This is also the reason why our politics no longer fit in the European/traditional political spectrum.
And you can call it goodwins law if you want, I call it history, because that’s where Hitler got his politics from, American progressives. That’s who Hitler credits.This is why Time magazine named him person of the year. Progressives had a lot of praise for Hitler before he started invading everywhere. Before WW2 started, we used to have our students give the pledge of allegiance doing a hitler salute (bellamany salute it was called). Hitler and Mussolini both praised FDR’s new deal, and hoped it would succeed to show that not only does progressivism work here, it also works in America. Then there’s the likes of Sanger, and Bernard Shaw, and other famous progressives of the time who praised Hitler, and vise versa. Hitler was considered a good dude by progressives, up until he started with the whole world domination thing.
And the temperance movement didn’t pick up steam until the progressives came onto the scene. Once progressives passed prohibition, they took it upon themselves to poison alcohol found with wood alcohol, to teach the disobedient cattle a lesson. That killed 50,000 or so Americans (I believe, it was a big number), and blinded a shit ton more. This is what happens when you give power to control freaks who think they know better, and have delusions of utopia, and quite the opposite happens when they try to enact it.
What's the difference between understanding one's own history and purveying bullshit terms of which one has no clue in the world of their meaning?
>> The Progressive Era is a period of widespread social activism and political reform across the United States that spanned from the 1890s to the 1920s.[1] The main objectives of the Progressive movement were eliminating problems caused by industrialization, urbanization, immigration, and corruption in government.
The movement primarily targeted political machines and their bosses. By taking down these corrupt representatives in office a further means of direct democracy would be established. They also sought regulation of monopolies (Trust Busting) and corporations through antitrust laws. These antitrust laws were seen as a way to promote equal competition for the advantage of legitimate competitors.
Many progressives supported prohibition of alcoholic beverages, ostensibly to destroy the political power of local bosses based in saloons, but others out of a religious motivation.[2] At the same time, women's suffrage was promoted to bring a "purer" female vote into the arena.[3] A third theme was building an Efficiency Movement in every sector that could identify old ways that needed modernizing, and bring to bear scientific, medical and engineering solutions; a key part of the efficiency movement was scientific management, or "Taylorism". << --- Wiki
What year is this?
Bingo.
For a moment I thought you were suggesting 1890-1920 applied to 2018. That would be like saying Democrats still support slavery. Thanks for the clarification.
Looks like that's what you're suggesting with the uninformed title.
Slavery didn't exist 1890-1920 btw. By then everybody had abolished, even Brazil.
Can't you remain in context? Perhaps you're confused. I'm talking about TODAY'S progressive.
Trump didn't grow up in a conservative area at all.Everything you think a conservative is was told to you by your masters in the media and repeated by other lemmings of the media.From my angle:
Conservatives:
Traditional values
Critical application
Homeland security
Strength and unity
Our Constitution
Intellectual honesty
Personal accountability
Progressives:
Stomp out traditional values
Emotional responses
One world disorder and open borders
Weakness and division
Destroying the Constitution
Intellectual dishonesty
Govt. accountability for the individual while everyone gets a trophy
An obsession with the victim role
Men are chicks and homosexuality equals heterosexuality
Racism and projection of racism
Feminizing males
I forgot one, such as progressives talk in circles because they can't defend themselves. See Pogo.
Wrong!
For my angle:
Conservatives:
Reverse all social, government and economic reforms made in the last 150 years.
Funnel all wealth into a small handful of people thereby creating a new defacto world wide monarchy
Install a strict socio-economic class system
Believe in and promote a lockstep set of beliefs demonizing anyone that expresses individual thought
The belief that a persons 'class', race, birthright or inheritance should be the chief determinant of their socio-economic status.
The belief that to be a 'true American' just means being born in the U.S. and being White
Liberals:
Individuals that have a wide range of ideas on how to improve society
Individuals that often disagree with each other on many issues
The general belief that government must evolve as society evolves
A desire for a more fair and just society
A society that rewards individual achievement rather than class status, inheritance or birthright.
A morally decent society that ensure even the poorest can live a reasonable standard of living
A realization that each of us is a member of a society and that we all benefit from a healthier, fairer society.
The belief that to be a True American means believing in and living by the philosophy and principals of the founding fathers and enlightenment thinkers - regardless of where you were born or what race you are.
Wrong fool!
I have lived most of my life in predominantly conservative areas - about 5 miles from where Trump grew up. I know conservatives!
