When Lefties pitch Socialism do they realize what decent people hear?

[Tehon]

Lol
It’s pretty sad one has to depend on the collective to be happy…

I’m glad I don’t live in that village

You depend on the collective every day of your miserable life, you're just to stupid to understand it.

Yes, parts of my life I do depend on the collective, I depend on them to make my life in parts miserable. I guess that’s just life…

There is the reason why I live in rural America, with the least possible interference by the collective...

I have been self-employed for 20+ years and been out of debt for about that same time, Homeschool my kids, Sell mining leases and timber leases along with firearms and ammo for a living, Never have purchased insurance in my life, and vote libertarian, Hunt and grow my own food…There is only so much one can do against the collective... that is true.

Are you miserable selling fire arms and ammo?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Forced charity is theft.

Fixed it for you.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Nope.

Socialism is all about forcing people into the collective/village

You're not forced into anything. No one is forcing you to use any program.

I am not forced to pay?

Taxes are not voluntary despite what you may think.

They are voluntary --- you just have to be willing to risk being sent to prison, but if you are really true to your principles, you will make that stand like a true Libertarian

How dare the government have a monopolization of force right?

When the coercive force of the state, imprisonment, is the hammer to force compliance then referring to taxes as voluntary is simply a lie.

Don't be a coward, stand up for your beliefs

Ali went to jail for his beliefs, he became a hero

Why don't you become a hero to pseudo-libertarians everywhere?

Maybe you can inspire them to believe that a libertarian government can actually work -- even tho a libertarian government has never existed in history

...but with your help, you can make them believe again

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Marx is decent people.


Quite apart from the analysis so far given, it was in general a mistake to make a fuss about so-called distribution and put the principal stress on it.

Any distribution whatever of the means of consumption is only a consequence of the distribution of the conditions of production themselves. The latter distribution, however, is a feature of the mode of production itself. The capitalist mode of production, for example, rests on the fact that the material conditions of production are in the hands of nonworkers in the form of property in capital and land, while the masses are only owners of the personal condition of production, of labor power. If the elements of production are so distributed, then the present-day distribution of the means of consumption results automatically. If the material conditions of production are the co-operative property of the workers themselves, then there likewise results a distribution of the means of consumption different from the present one. Vulgar socialism (and from it in turn a section of the democrats) has taken over from the bourgeois economists the consideration and treatment of distribution as independent of the mode of production and hence the presentation of socialism as turning principally on distribution. After the real relation has long been made clear, why retrogress again?
Critique of the Gotha Programme-- I

There really wouldn’t be any problem with socialism if it did not force everybody into the shit... But that is not how Socialism works if forces everybody whether they want to be part of it or not into the collective. So fuck your village

Our socioeconomic reality is in reality a social decision.

I'm forced to participate in a capitalist system.

And you live in a collective society, in spite of your irrational hatred of it.

The only problem is I run into from day today are formed by the collective…

And since the collective is a fraud... there you have it.

Perhaps you could share some examples of those "collective problems" that you run into.

He already did, commie.

Now take your commie ass to Venezuela, where your commie ass belongs.

He didn't. Can you?

 

[Rustic]

Lol
It’s pretty sad one has to depend on the collective to be happy…

I’m glad I don’t live in that village

You depend on the collective every day of your miserable life, you're just to stupid to understand it.

Yep. He believes his no doubt paltry taxes paid for everything he uses.

Lol
BEing in Rural America… No doubt I don’t use much.

 

[dblack]

Socialism is all about forcing people into the collective/village

You're not forced into anything. No one is forcing you to use any program.

I am not forced to pay?

Taxes are not voluntary despite what you may think.

They are voluntary --- you just have to be willing to risk being sent to prison, but if you are really true to your principles, you will make that stand like a true Libertarian

How dare the government have a monopolization of force right?

When the coercive force of the state, imprisonment, is the hammer to force compliance then referring to taxes as voluntary is simply a lie.

Don't be a coward, stand up for your beliefs

Ali went to jail for his beliefs, he became a hero

Why don't you become a hero to pseudo-libertarians everywhere?

Maybe you can inspire them to believe that a libertarian government can actually work -- even tho a libertarian government has never existed in history

...but with your help, you can make them believe again

Heh.. you do think you're being clever. But your point makes no sense. It's quite the opposite of clever.

 

[Rustic]

When the collective wins... the individual always loses

 

[Tehon]

No matter how it’s cleverly spun or packaged ALL decent people hear it the same way.
“Provide me with shit that other people pay for...I’m entitled to free shit because I stand on U.S. soil.”
Do they realize NOBODY good and decent is shameless enough to make these types of requests?
I’m hoping the pitchmasters such as Mac1958 will weigh in here.

Marx is decent people.


Quite apart from the analysis so far given, it was in general a mistake to make a fuss about so-called distribution and put the principal stress on it.

Any distribution whatever of the means of consumption is only a consequence of the distribution of the conditions of production themselves. The latter distribution, however, is a feature of the mode of production itself. The capitalist mode of production, for example, rests on the fact that the material conditions of production are in the hands of nonworkers in the form of property in capital and land, while the masses are only owners of the personal condition of production, of labor power. If the elements of production are so distributed, then the present-day distribution of the means of consumption results automatically. If the material conditions of production are the co-operative property of the workers themselves, then there likewise results a distribution of the means of consumption different from the present one. Vulgar socialism (and from it in turn a section of the democrats) has taken over from the bourgeois economists the consideration and treatment of distribution as independent of the mode of production and hence the presentation of socialism as turning principally on distribution. After the real relation has long been made clear, why retrogress again?
Critique of the Gotha Programme-- I

There really wouldn’t be any problem with socialism if it did not force everybody into the shit... But that is not how Socialism works if forces everybody whether they want to be part of it or not into the collective. So fuck your village

Our socioeconomic reality is in reality a social decision.

I'm forced to participate in a capitalist system.

And you live in a collective society, in spite of your irrational hatred of it.

The only problem is I run into from day today are formed by the collective…

And since the collective is a fraud... there you have it.

You're saying that America is a fraud. That's what you really believe?

 

[BrokeLoser]

No matter how it’s cleverly spun or packaged ALL decent people hear it the same way.
“Provide me with shit that other people pay for...I’m entitled to free shit because I stand on U.S. soil.”
Do they realize NOBODY good and decent is shameless enough to make these types of requests?
I’m hoping the pitchmasters such as Mac1958 will weigh in here.

If they gave a shit about decent people they wouldn’t push socialist notions.

Yeah . Don’t you just hate the VA? Lazy ass ex military folks need to get their own insurance like the rest of us!

Haha...poor Timmy continues to struggle with making simple distinctions.
Good people support the idea of taking care of Vets.
Good people DO NOT support the idea of taking care of Guadalupe, Gustavo and their litter of money trees.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Socialism is all about forcing people into the collective/village

You're not forced into anything. No one is forcing you to use any program.

I am not forced to pay?

Taxes are not voluntary despite what you may think.

They are voluntary --- you just have to be willing to risk being sent to prison, but if you are really true to your principles, you will make that stand like a true Libertarian

How dare the government have a monopolization of force right?

When the coercive force of the state, imprisonment, is the hammer to force compliance then referring to taxes as voluntary is simply a lie.

Don't be a coward, stand up for your beliefs

Ali went to jail for his beliefs, he became a hero

Why don't you become a hero to pseudo-libertarians everywhere?

Maybe you can inspire them to believe that a libertarian government can actually work -- even tho a libertarian government has never existed in history

...but with your help, you can make them believe again

Why do you stand up for your goose-stepping beliefs and start the communist revolution?

Oh, that’s right. We still have guns. You’re scared of our guns.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Really?


You should start with the actual definition of socialism and work from there.

All socialism is the same… And leads to failure

No, it's not.

That's why I said you should start with the definition.

Actually it is, show us where Socialism has not failed long-term?

Show me one industrialized nation that does not care for the less fortunate.

Forced charity is not the answer

Forced death and starvation then?

Why do you begrudge those less fortunate than yourself? Why do you have disdain for their struggles?

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

You're not forced into anything. No one is forcing you to use any program.

I am not forced to pay?

Taxes are not voluntary despite what you may think.

They are voluntary --- you just have to be willing to risk being sent to prison, but if you are really true to your principles, you will make that stand like a true Libertarian

How dare the government have a monopolization of force right?

When the coercive force of the state, imprisonment, is the hammer to force compliance then referring to taxes as voluntary is simply a lie.

Don't be a coward, stand up for your beliefs

Ali went to jail for his beliefs, he became a hero

Why don't you become a hero to pseudo-libertarians everywhere?

Maybe you can inspire them to believe that a libertarian government can actually work -- even tho a libertarian government has never existed in history

...but with your help, you can make them believe again

Heh.. you do think you're being clever. But your point makes no sense. It's quite the opposite of clever.

Show me a government in existence who operated on this libertarian utopia style of government??

Show me a government that never used monopolized force to make their society function?

You idiots just like to sit around and have circle jerks about how unfair it is that we can't force more people to die or starve because you think its freedom, gtfoh

 

[Norman]

No matter how it’s cleverly spun or packaged ALL decent people hear it the same way.
“Provide me with shit that other people pay for...I’m entitled to free shit because I stand on U.S. soil.”
Do they realize NOBODY good and decent is shameless enough to make these types of requests?
I’m hoping the pitchmasters such as Mac1958 will weigh in here.

If they gave a shit about decent people they wouldn’t push socialist notions.

Yeah . Don’t you just hate the VA? Lazy ass ex military folks need to get their own insurance like the rest of us!

Haha...poor Timmy continues to struggle with making simple distinctions.
Good people support the idea of taking care of Vets.
Good people DO NOT support the idea of taking care of Guadalupe, Gustavo and their litter of money trees.

Yeah... life's a struggle for him.

But at least this guy has it a bit better. For one he is far more intelligent. Most importantly, a billion times more compassionate and America loving.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Forced death and starvation then?

Why do you begrudge those less fortunate than yourself? Why do you have disdain for their struggles?

Why do youand those less valuable have such distain for our success?

Commie

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

You're not forced into anything. No one is forcing you to use any program.

I am not forced to pay?

Taxes are not voluntary despite what you may think.

They are voluntary --- you just have to be willing to risk being sent to prison, but if you are really true to your principles, you will make that stand like a true Libertarian

How dare the government have a monopolization of force right?

When the coercive force of the state, imprisonment, is the hammer to force compliance then referring to taxes as voluntary is simply a lie.

Don't be a coward, stand up for your beliefs

Ali went to jail for his beliefs, he became a hero

Why don't you become a hero to pseudo-libertarians everywhere?

Maybe you can inspire them to believe that a libertarian government can actually work -- even tho a libertarian government has never existed in history

...but with your help, you can make them believe again

Why do you stand up for your goose-stepping beliefs and start the communist revolution?

Oh, that’s right. We still have guns. You’re scared of our guns.

I pay my taxes because I believe in America -- why don't you?

And why are you scared of America's guns??

I told you that you can always not pay taxes, and since you have big guns and you are so brave -- you should be fine

 

[BrokeLoser]

I can’t imagine ever being lowdown enough to actually say the words....”Hey neighbor, you earn more money than I do...I think Father Government should make you make my car payment.”

Being that I'm new here, I could be jumping to unfounded conclusions, but so far all I'm seeing from you cons is strawman attacks. Really interesting is that in some of these (like this one), it's the strawman who wins.

Hold on a minute...are you implying that beggars don’t demand free shit from productive citizens whom have more than them?
This isn’t trivial...yes or no works perfectly here.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Show me one industrialized nation that does not care for the less fortunate.

Show us why we should give a single fuck.

So which state should we make the death camp for our human refuse? When seniors can longer earn an income and their helth bankrupts them, do they go off to the camp?

 

[dblack]

I am not forced to pay?

Taxes are not voluntary despite what you may think.

They are voluntary --- you just have to be willing to risk being sent to prison, but if you are really true to your principles, you will make that stand like a true Libertarian

How dare the government have a monopolization of force right?

When the coercive force of the state, imprisonment, is the hammer to force compliance then referring to taxes as voluntary is simply a lie.

Don't be a coward, stand up for your beliefs

Ali went to jail for his beliefs, he became a hero

Why don't you become a hero to pseudo-libertarians everywhere?

Maybe you can inspire them to believe that a libertarian government can actually work -- even tho a libertarian government has never existed in history

...but with your help, you can make them believe again

Heh.. you do think you're being clever. But your point makes no sense. It's quite the opposite of clever.

Show me a government in existence who operated on this libertarian utopia style of government??

What are you going on about? You were saying taxation is voluntary. That's clearly bullshit. Walk it back or STFU.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Lol
It’s pretty sad one has to depend on the collective to be happy…

I’m glad I don’t live in that village

You depend on the collective every day of your miserable life, you're just to stupid to understand it.

Yes, parts of my life I do depend on the collective, I depend on them to make my life in parts miserable. I guess that’s just life…

There is the reason why I live in rural America, with the least possible interference by the collective...

I have been self-employed for 20+ years and been out of debt for about that same time, Homeschool my kids, Sell mining leases and timber leases along with firearms and ammo for a living, Never have purchased insurance in my life, and vote libertarian, Hunt and grow my own food…There is only so much one can do against the collective... that is true.

Are you miserable selling fire arms and ammo?

Sounds marginal to me.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

I am a believer in natural selection.

Some people should be eliminated.

Survival of the fittest.

People need to die.