When was the last time you saw any discussion about $29,921,087,613,024,000?

[Rigby5]

No salt reactor has the problem with pressurized steam ... they use sodium as a coolant ... I don't know about shutting down automatically, but the sodium doesn't flash into steam ... like water does ... that was one of the main problems with TMI, Chernobyl and Fukushima ... and of course, using oxygen to cool things in moronic, Windscale was a disaster from the beginning ...

The debate was shut down in secret, and the far more dangerous uranium reactors were selected because they produced weapons grade plutonium and thorium salt reactors did not.
{...
Science writer Richard Martin states that nuclear physicist Alvin Weinberg, who was director at Oak Ridge and primarily responsible for the new reactor, lost his job as director because he championed development of the safer thorium reactors.[12][13] Weinberg himself recalls this period:

[Congressman] Chet Holifield was clearly exasperated with me, and he finally blurted out, "Alvin, if you are concerned about the safety of reactors, then I think it may be time for you to leave nuclear energy." I was speechless. But it was apparent to me that my style, my attitude, and my perception of the future were no longer in tune with the powers within the AEC.[14]

Martin explains that Weinberg's unwillingness to sacrifice potentially safe nuclear power for the benefit of military uses forced him to retire:

Weinberg realized that you could use thorium in an entirely new kind of reactor, one that would have zero risk of meltdown. ... his team built a working reactor ... and he spent the rest of his 18-year tenure trying to make thorium the heart of the nation's atomic power effort. He failed. Uranium reactors had already been established, and Hyman Rickover, de facto head of the US nuclear program, wanted the plutonium from uranium-powered nuclear plants to make bombs. Increasingly shunted aside, Weinberg was finally forced out in 1973.[15]

...}

 

[Rigby5]

Reducing passenger vehicles by 90% includes EVs ...

The other advantages of mass transit would be fewer accidents, lower cost, no need for insurance, quieter streets, less wear on pavement, bridges, etc., more room for housing, less road rage, etc.

 

[Rigby5]

What many people do not fully realize is that deficit spending is stealing from our children.
And they are not going to like it once they figure out what we did to them.

The national debt going from $3 trillion to $37 trillion in 20 years, clearly is not sustainable or even necessarily viable at all.
We may already have destroyed the country?

 

[healthmyths]

Four ways:

2] Reduce passenger vehicles by 90% (including EVs) ...
3] Reduce passenger airline travel by 90% ...
4] Reduce meat consumption by 90% ...

Why are you low-balling the cost of nuclear power? ... these power plants you're pricing are UNSAFE ... we can't be building these cheap-assed things ... I know water's cheap but it's useless as a nuclear power plant coolant ... have we not learned that lesson yet (Windscale, TMI, Chernobyl, Fukushima) ...

Breeder reactors with salt coolant will be quite a bit more expensive ... have we even gotten a thorium plant running yet? ...

You wrote "Four ways" then showed 3 ways..
2] Reduce passenger vehicles by 90% (including EVs) ...
3] Reduce passenger airline travel by 90% ...
4] Reduce meat consumption by 90% ..

 

[leftwinger]

You dont need to post such numbers as "12,461,525,806,512 kWh ".

You could post 12e+12 kwh or 12T kwh.

 

[leftwinger]

The other advantages of mass transit would be fewer accidents, lower cost, no need for insurance, quieter streets, less wear on pavement, bridges, etc., more room for housing, less road rage, etc.

Crazy talk. Jobs are spread over 100s of square miles in Silicon Valley. 3-4 hour commutes with 2-3 transfers are often needed both ways. Remote work for some most days is possible but not for 90%. No one is riding a horse from Riverside to Tustin to get to work.

 

[leftwinger]

What many people do not fully realize is that deficit spending is stealing from our children.
And they are not going to like it once they figure out what we did to them.

The national debt going from $3 trillion to $37 trillion in 20 years, clearly is not sustainable or even necessarily viable at all.
We may already have destroyed the country?

Thats what progressive Communist Red-Socialist scum want to do. Collapse the country under debt and GOVT dependents. Then restructure or rebuild with only them (Elite) and 350 million poor in tent cities if need be.

Can't people see what is going on? Are so many on this site as stupid or evil as they appear to be? Your Care RW Candy bones etc.

 

[leftwinger]

USA has enough Clean NAT Gas.The earth contantly produces more oil. All the Climate BS is for control. Reduce meat 90%? Why? Air & Water is clean now. Sure trash (packaging) could ve reduced. Let technology solve it.

 

[healthmyths]

The other advantages of mass transit would be fewer accidents, lower cost, no need for insurance, quieter streets, less wear on pavement, bridges, etc., more room for housing, less road rage, etc.

More organized society is what you are recommending. Like this?

 

[ReinyDays]

You wrote "Four ways" then showed 3 ways..
2] Reduce passenger vehicles by 90% (including EVs) ...
3] Reduce passenger airline travel by 90% ...
4] Reduce meat consumption by 90% ..

The First and Most Important doesn't apply to folks connected to the internet ... or really connected to any kind of electric grid ... so why yell at you for something you're already doing ... and quite well I might add ...

1] Have fewer children ...

The Electrified World (and China) have their fertility rates under control and under replacement ... it's the impoverished and deprived areas of the world where birth rates are exploding ... places not connected to the internet ... providing diesel generators for all these people is gonna be much cheaper than these nuclear power plants everyone is talking about ... and for simple humanitarian reasons, damn the carbon cost ...

Video cameras require electricity ... so we don't see many videos form places without electricity ... they're out there ... we just don't ever see them ... perhaps up to 20% of the world's population cook every meal over an open fire ...

 

[ReinyDays]

The debate was shut down in secret, and the far more dangerous uranium reactors were selected because they produced weapons grade plutonium and thorium salt reactors did not.
{...
Science writer Richard Martin states that nuclear physicist Alvin Weinberg, who was director at Oak Ridge and primarily responsible for the new reactor, lost his job as director because he championed development of the safer thorium reactors.[12][13] Weinberg himself recalls this period:


Martin explains that Weinberg's unwillingness to sacrifice potentially safe nuclear power for the benefit of military uses forced him to retire:


...}

Additionally ... it was the US Navy that first explored electrical production from a nuclear reactor ... WWII submarines were all diesel, and so aspirated, with batteries for limited underwater travel ... nuclear powered submarines could stay submerged for longer than submariners can ...

The Navy had "cold feet" when it came to keeping a half ton of molten sodium underwater ... one little mistake and the Soviets would detect the ping, thus disclosing the position of the sub ... er ... former position ... that would be a ping you can't miss ... so water as the primary coolant made good sense ... there's always plenty around if needed ...

 

[Rigby5]

We hear the same old shit from you about every two weeks it's spamulicious.

But we are being told daily that battery EVs are the solution, and it has to be pointed out that can not possibly work, ahead of time.
Since battery EVs are expensive, heavy, slow charging/discharging, short lived, etc., they make no sense.
We USED to be working on sensible alternatives, like light bio fuel diesels that got over 100 mpg.
We could also just switch over to hydrogen, either ICE or fuel cell.
There are lots of practical alternatives.
Battery EVs are not one of them.
They are extremely impractical.

 

[Rigby5]

The First and Most Important doesn't apply to folks connected to the internet ... or really connected to any kind of electric grid ... so why yell at you for something you're already doing ... and quite well I might add ...

1] Have fewer children ...

The Electrified World (and China) have their fertility rates under control and under replacement ... it's the impoverished and deprived areas of the world where birth rates are exploding ... places not connected to the internet ... providing diesel generators for all these people is gonna be much cheaper than these nuclear power plants everyone is talking about ... and for simple humanitarian reasons, damn the carbon cost ...

Video cameras require electricity ... so we don't see many videos form places without electricity ... they're out there ... we just don't ever see them ... perhaps up to 20% of the world's population cook every meal over an open fire ...

Good point in that it was the use of fossil fuels that delayed the dire predictions of Malthus.
And clearly we already have over twice the population that can be supported forever.

 

[Rigby5]

Additionally ... it was the US Navy that first explored electrical production from a nuclear reactor ... WWII submarines were all diesel, and so aspirated, with batteries for limited underwater travel ... nuclear powered submarines could stay submerged for longer than submariners can ...

The Navy had "cold feet" when it came to keeping a half ton of molten sodium underwater ... one little mistake and the Soviets would detect the ping, thus disclosing the position of the sub ... er ... former position ... that would be a ping you can't miss ... so water as the primary coolant made good sense ... there's always plenty around if needed ...

Submarines are constantly surrounded by cold water, so it had to be tempting.
But how are you going to cool a nuclear power plant in Nevada with water?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Submarines are constantly surrounded by cold water, so it had to be tempting.
But how are you going to cool a nuclear power plant in Nevada with water?