Cecilie1200
Diamond Member
This is where we differ, bro.....and why I'm not optimistic about the future of Western Civilization.
Nothing matters any more.
To embrace tolerance is to cease to believe in anything. Chesterton
"There are control devices, and then there are control mechanisms" (Mr. Spock)
Whether you call it "politically incorrect", or "conscience", or "peer pressure", or "the thought police", or "sin", or "unlawful", or any other mechanism that's used to manage societal norms, its something controlling your behavior.
Western civilization always had pockets of "bad behavior". Today any bad behavior is instant global news. I think on the whole Western civilization is sound, in spite of black pits like Amsterdam, or San Francisco...
Amsterdam drug laws and etiquette
San Francisco - where drug addicts outnumber high school students
Is the drug problem "chlorine in the gene pool"? (stupid is as stupid does)
Similarly, is abortion keeping the prison population down? (I've seen studies)
As cold-blooded as this sounds, I'd rather see dead druggies than keep supporting them in prison.
Babies don't have a choice, so their moms make it for them...
I know I shouldn't let you drag me off into a different topic....but, it is interesting.
"Similarly, is abortion keeping the prison population down? (I've seen studies)
As cold-blooded as this sounds, I'd rather see dead druggies than keep supporting them in prison.
Babies don't have a choice, so their moms make it for them..."
First, why use a felon's drug habit as a reason to allow the slaughter of an innocent?
Second, how about we simply solve the drug problem:
Confiscate drugs as we arrest users.
Adulterate the drugs with chemicals that turn users green.
Recirculate the drugs via undercovers, and use the profits to support law enforcement.
Finally......we arrest all the green people.
Third, pass laws such as "Georgia governor Brian Kemp signed perhaps the most impressive and comprehensively pro-life “heartbeat bill” in the nation. The law (set to go into effect in 2020) not only bans abortion when the baby has a “detectable human heartbeat” it declares the scientific, philosophical, and theological truth that an unborn child is a “natural person” under state law."
Georgia Heartbeat Bill Won't Imprison Women Who Have Abortions | National Review
First, my point was that unwanted babies, or those born into low-life homes generally end up in prison. Nothing to do with a "felon's drug habit". Who takes care of those 600,000 un-aborted babies a year?
Second, drugs can never be removed, they are all over and come into the US from everywhere. Can drugs be used to advantage to eliminate bad segments, such as by allowing fentanyl to be used, i.e, stupid is as stupid does, aka "chlorine in the gene pool".
Third, philosophically agree with the GA heartbeat Bill, but then what do you do with the 600,000 un-aborted babies a year?
Abortion statistics in the United States - Wikipedia
Let's not do what the bureaucrats do, and imagine that events are static when, most human behavior is dynamic.
If individuals knew that abortion as birth control would not be available, there would not be 600,000 such babies.
It's not as though the participants don't know how the baby came to be.
1. Events happen, static or otherwise. If you ban abortions, do you support Planned Parenthood and subsidized birth control? Otherwise, what do you do with the 600,000 un-aborted babies? Generally US adoptions are only about 135,000 a year. So who takes care of those extra babies? Foster care?
2. My spoof of drug deaths is only half kidding. Who can be that fucking stupid? They must really be dumb.
3. see #1......with subsidized birth control how low can we get abortions+adoptions?
I like how you just ghosted past her refutation of your numbers, and then restated the numbers as though they were accepted fact.
Second of all, I question your motives in even asking this question. What do we do with babies we don't kill NOW? I'm a little confused as to your bewilderment on this subject.
Third, what is this whole "Well, if you're not going to let us kill babies, then you have to buy us birth control!" schtick? That's like a man telling us that if we're not going to let him shoot his ex-wife, we have to be responsible for the alimony payments.