Where FDR Went Wrong

Many people are unable to understand that with the enormity of the war many things were mishandled and relegated to the history books as errors, and so it was with the relocation centers. I wonder if most Americans even knew much about the centers or even cared at the time. Bigger things were taking place. We bring up the event today because it is a chance to attack FDR


I bring up the FACT today because FDR's CONCENTRATION CAMPS are a FACT of history and entirely exemplary of his own villainy and the democrat party's history of killing, oppressing, robbing, and addicting minorities. No excuses, misdirection, or any form of 'yeahbut' can change that.

Camps where no one was killed, where 100,000 of the 110, 000 people interned were released within a year.

While there's really no excuse for the interment of the Japanese Americans, it also wasn't nearly as horrible as what EVERYONE else in the world was doing at the time.
 
Many people are unable to understand that with the enormity of the war many things were mishandled and relegated to the history books as errors, and so it was with the relocation centers. I wonder if most Americans even knew much about the centers or even cared at the time. Bigger things were taking place. We bring up the event today because it is a chance to attack FDR


I bring up the FACT today because FDR's CONCENTRATION CAMPS are a FACT of history and entirely exemplary of his own villainy and the democrat party's history of killing, oppressing, robbing, and addicting minorities. No excuses, misdirection, or any form of 'yeahbut' can change that.

Well those concentration camps were only for some of the population depending on where they live, and if some decided to move elsewhere than on the west coast they were released. In any case historians still rate FDR as America's greatest president, relocation centers, atom bomb development, or DDay notwithstanding.
 
Camps where no one was killed...



Wrong. You really should see if you can get at least some of your money back on the bullshit 'degree' you obviously didn't earn.

Ooookay, they weren't extermination camps...

Where there uprising... sure.

They weren't death camps, and frankly, this is the kind of slander we could expect from someone who hates America.
 
Many people are unable to understand that with the enormity of the war many things were mishandled and relegated to the history books as errors, and so it was with the relocation centers. I wonder if most Americans even knew much about the centers or even cared at the time. Bigger things were taking place. We bring up the event today because it is a chance to attack FDR


I bring up the FACT today because FDR's CONCENTRATION CAMPS are a FACT of history and entirely exemplary of his own villainy and the democrat party's history of killing, oppressing, robbing, and addicting minorities. No excuses, misdirection, or any form of 'yeahbut' can change that.

Camps where no one was killed, where 100,000 of the 110, 000 people interned were released within a year.

While there's really no excuse for the interment of the Japanese Americans, it also wasn't nearly as horrible as what EVERYONE else in the world was doing at the time.

Right. FDR did that to the blacks
 
I bring up the FACT today because FDR's CONCENTRATION CAMPS are a FACT of history and entirely exemplary of his own villainy and the democrat party's history of killing, oppressing, robbing, and addicting minorities. No excuses, misdirection, or any form of 'yeahbut' can change that.

Camps where no one was killed, where 100,000 of the 110, 000 people interned were released within a year.

While there's really no excuse for the interment of the Japanese Americans, it also wasn't nearly as horrible as what EVERYONE else in the world was doing at the time.

Right. FDR did that to the blacks

Well whatever FDR did to the blacks it was the beginning of Blacks voting Democratic instead of Republican.
 
Camps where no one was killed, where 100,000 of the 110, 000 people interned were released within a year.

While there's really no excuse for the interment of the Japanese Americans, it also wasn't nearly as horrible as what EVERYONE else in the world was doing at the time.

Right. FDR did that to the blacks

Well whatever FDR did to the blacks it was the beginning of Blacks voting Democratic instead of Republican.

No, hon. That didn't happen until LBJ "I'll have them ******* voting Democrat for the next 200 years"
 
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Right. FDR did that to the blacks

Well whatever FDR did to the blacks it was the beginning of Blacks voting Democratic instead of Republican.

No, hon. That didn't happen until LBJ "I'll have them ****** voting Democrat for the next 200 years"
And heavily depended on Republicans to pass Civil Rights legislation as the Democrats were dead set against it.

Johnson saw the brewing storm, and couldn't rely upon his own party to avert it, (since it was they that were the problem...and yet Republicans are told they are responsible and racist)...

Funny how that works.
 
Right. FDR did that to the blacks

Well whatever FDR did to the blacks it was the beginning of Blacks voting Democratic instead of Republican.

No, hon. That didn't happen until LBJ "I'll have them ******* voting Democrat for the next 200 years"



Actually, reggie has a point.

It was the same crisis that had everyone voting FDR.....the Depression.

1. In 1932, more than two-thirds of African-Americans voted against Roosevelt. When the election of 1936 took place, 76% voted for him.
Star Parker, "Uncle Sam's Plantation"



Parker has the explanation here:


2. There is the passage from Genesis 25:29-34, which accurately describes the cultural shifts that took place during the Great Depression. Read this, and replace "Jacob" with "Uncle Sam," "Esau," with "the People," and "birthright," with "freedom."

29 Once when Jacob was cooking some stew, Esau came in from the open country, famished. 30 He said to Jacob, “Quick, let me have some of that red stew! I’m famished!”

31 Jacob replied, “First sell me your birthright.”

32 “Look, I am about to die,” Esau said. “What good is the birthright to me?”

33 But Jacob said, “Swear to me first.” So he swore an oath to him, selling his birthright to Jacob.

34 Then Jacob gave Esau some bread and some lentil stew. He ate and drank, and then got up and left.

So Esau despised his birthright.



It was the perfect storm that changed America.
 
Guess who signs executive orders? I'll give you a hint, it's the chief executive.

So one individual is solely responsible? Why then are you trying to broadbrush every Democrat who ever existed with culpability for this?

Guess where the buck stops, champ? And weren't you just oh-so-proud of how many democrats supported your false god FDR?

Then we agree that Bush was solely responsible for the disaster of Iraq?
 
Guess who signs executive orders? I'll give you a hint, it's the chief executive.

So one individual is solely responsible? Why then are you trying to broadbrush every Democrat who ever existed with culpability for this?

Guess where the buck stops, champ? And weren't you just oh-so-proud of how many democrats supported your false god FDR?

You managed to find a sum total of ONE Republican politician who opposed the internment.

Where were the other 99.9% of Republicans on the issue??
 
To draw your attention to the contrast between villainous (though typical) actions of your beloved democrat would-be dictator and the strongest national voice representing American values in opposition to the bastard FDR's inexcusable act in maintaining his own concentration camps at the same time that we were fighting against just that sort of tyranny and oppression around the world. Typical that democrats were ultimately responsible for the oppression, death, abrogation of rights, and usurpation of private property of minorities - AGAIN, and that it took a Republican voice to give the clearest, most unambiguous iteration of true American principles no matter how many forgot or disregarded them in the fear and hysteria of wartime.

A Republican who was liberal on this issue.

NO, he was the epitome of conservative on this issue.

You can't escape the truth about the democrat party by playing (poorly) semantic games. Your inability to face up to what the democrat party has always been is just another aspect of liberalism: avoidance of responsibility.

Then where were the conservatives in 1942 who opposed the internment? You should be able to cite hundreds of them,

if being pro-immigrant, pro-civil rights for minorities, anti-profiling, etc., are conservative positions.

I gave you the modern day example of Muslims being discriminated against, efforts to discriminate against them in the wake of 9/11...

...that discrimination is almost entirely from conservatives. You don't know what you're talking about.
 
Why did most Republicans vote against reparations for the internment victims in 1988?

Are you nuts?

I have addressed the above misinformation already.

In your desperation to avoid the responsibility that rests with the democrat party and their standard-bearer, you are being deliberately dishonest.

Really? I'll bet you $1000 that most Republicans in Congress voted against the 1988 reparations bill.

You're either lying or ignorant.
 
FDR ordered the Allies to stop at the Elba, while the Germans and Soviets were still killing each other east of Poland.

If the part of Europe, that you refer to as Eastern had been occupied by the Allies, there would have been no Iron Curtain, no millions perishing in Stalin's gulag, no fifty years of Cold War, no rise of China, and the well-deserved end of the Soviet Union would have happened about forty years earlier.

When your military is on a victorious march, the population - and Congress - support it. Since FDR loved Stalin so much, we never had the chance to find out just how much America - and Congress - would have supported the effort to stop the regime compared to which Hitler's Third Reich looks like a bunch of altar boys.

I respect your opinion, even though I don't agree with it, but I never sink to your level of calling you and idiot - as you called me several times - just because we disagree. After all I am not a liberal.

Other than the madman Patton, where was the support in 1945 for going to war with the Russians?

Going past the Elba would NOT have been "going to war with the Russians". It would have been the logical extension of the successful landing in Normandy, and it would have been supported by Congress and the American people.

The so-called 'madman' Patton and Winston Churchill saw the future danger of Communism, realized the destructive power of Stalin, while FDR only had love for that butcher of millions of people, to such extent that makes one wonder if FDR may have been gay, a view that does not seem to be impossible, looking at Eleanore.

Your derangement is sadly comical. You need to rein in your hatred to at least some level that doesn't make you look like a clown.
 
Camps where no one was killed...



Wrong. You really should see if you can get at least some of your money back on the bullshit 'degree' you obviously didn't earn.

Ooookay, they weren't extermination camps...

Where there uprising... sure.

They weren't death camps, and frankly, this is the kind of slander we could expect from someone who hates America.


Who called them "extermination camps," besides YOU?
 
Well those concentration camps were only for some of the population depending on where they live, and if some decided to move elsewhere than on the west coast they were released. In any case historians still rate FDR as America's greatest president, relocation centers, atom bomb development, or DDay notwithstanding.



Read that post to yourself out loud then see if you can look at yourself in the mirror without vomiting.
 
Camps where no one was killed, where 100,000 of the 110, 000 people interned were released within a year.

While there's really no excuse for the interment of the Japanese Americans, it also wasn't nearly as horrible as what EVERYONE else in the world was doing at the time.

Right. FDR did that to the blacks

Well whatever FDR did to the blacks it was the beginning of Blacks voting Democratic instead of Republican.


Listen to yourself. Consider what you are making excuses for.
 
So one individual is solely responsible? Why then are you trying to broadbrush every Democrat who ever existed with culpability for this?

Guess where the buck stops, champ? And weren't you just oh-so-proud of how many democrats supported your false god FDR?

Then we agree that Bush was solely responsible for the disaster of Iraq?


Iraq was not a disaster, but despite the many, many prominent democrats who whole-heartedly supported removing saddam, the decision to go into Iraq rests with President Bush.
 
So one individual is solely responsible? Why then are you trying to broadbrush every Democrat who ever existed with culpability for this?

Guess where the buck stops, champ? And weren't you just oh-so-proud of how many democrats supported your false god FDR?

You managed to find a sum total of ONE Republican politician who opposed the internment.

Where were the other 99.9% of Republicans on the issue??


I "managed" to 'find' (sorry that US history is such a mystery to you) the most prominent conservative Republican voice in opposition to FDR's concentration camps and the abrogation of the rights of US citizens in general. I also "managed" to find the most prominent democrat - not only representing his party but controlling it virtually dictatorially - who was personally responsible for such a reprehensible act; one in an endless string of such acts by the democrats throughout their long and shameful history.
 
1. This guy I know went to a club, where he met a very attractive blonde. After a few drinks, they went back to his apartment, where, filled with anticipation, they wound up in bed. And he discovered that 'she' had a penis.

"I thought you wouldn't care." He did. His words to me: 'It's always somethin.'"





2. In a way, this is the problem with FDR's role in American history. Just like the blonde, he had a number of attractive features....but one glaring problem: a misunderstanding of geopolitical reality.
'It's always somethin.'"

a. That 'somethin' resulted in the United States becoming, for all intents and purposes, a vassal of the Soviet Union. It caused the Korean War. It is the reason that China became Maoist, with 75 million deaths. And if the United States ever goes to war with China....the 'somethin' will have been the provenance.

3. Roosevelt laughed off, literally, all of the revelations of Soviet agents in his administration. He never cared if his conversations were bugged by the Russians. He sent the USSR materials necessary to build the atomic bomb. One of his first official acts was the United States recognizing the Soviet Union, November 20th, 1933. The list of goes on and on, leading many to believe the was an agent of the Soviet Union.

That wasn't the case.






4. To understand what happened, recognize that a distinguishing characteristic of Liberals and Leftists is an aversion to acknowledging evil and its permutations, i.e., communism. Leftist believe that people are essentially good, and the result is the proclivity to appease evil and ignore the sad facts of life.
It is a form of child-like wishful thinking.
It infected all of FDR's policies.






5. Dennis J. Dunn writes in "Caught Between Roosevelt & Stalin: America's Ambassadors to Moscow," that FDR believed in a theory of convergence that applied to the USSR and the US, i.e., that capitalism and Communism would each take on characteristics of the other. They would converge. FDR's contribution toward convergence was expanding the powers and reach of centralized government.

a. Dunn explains FDR's thinking: convergence theory "held that Soviet Russia and the United States were on convergent paths, where the United States was moving from laissez-faire capitalism to welfare state socialism and the Soviet Union was evolving from totalitarianism to social democracy."

b. Since FDR himself had moved the United States from laissez-faire capitalism to welfare state socialism....well, FDR was half right.

But....if only one half is doing all the converging....it is simply capitulation.

6. And so, Dunn explains, FDR's dogmatic belief in a point of convergence up the road is what allowed Roosevelt to discount and overlook all the violent contradictory evidence, the spying, the manipulation, the justification for the brutality of genocidal famines and gulags and every act of police-state repression.

The theory is what made FDR, if not a participant, at least an accomplice.
In our name.






7. In memoirs, both Representative Martin Dies, [p. 144-148] an earlier incarnation of Senator Joseph McCarthy, and, on the other side, Roosevelt ally Cardinal Spellman, [p. 222-225] both describe conversations with Roosevelt in which he speaks of his belief in convergence of the two nations. Dunn describes an interview with Averell Harriman, in which Harriman "emphasized the importance of the theory of convergence in explaining Roosevelt's policies."




8. "Adopting the "pseudoprofound theory of convergence," Rooseveltians claimed that the Soviet Union "was moving ineluctably toward democracy" (pp. 3-4). The author alleges that "moral relativism" prompted Roosevelt to mislead the American public and ignore his foreign policy advisors in order to prove that Stalin was an evolving democrat, not "a genocidal megalomaniac guided by the higher power of revolutionary inevitability ..." (p. 4, 6).

In contrast, "Traditionalists" rejected the theory of convergence. ... they viewed Stalin as "a murderer, a liar, and a vicious opponent of the United States and of pluralism generally."...." Traditionalists wanted Roosevelt to compel the Soviets to adopt democracy and "the minimum standards of moral behavior that were outlined in the world's principal religions and moral codes." These pleas, however, went unheeded as Roosevelt remained intent on pursuing "his policy of uncritical friendship toward Stalin" (pp. 8-9)."
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Today, it seems we have so very many Leftists who are still enchanted with the blonde's better feature.....

...and are willing to ignore 'somethin'......

Let me clear the 'mud' out of the Augean-esque pile of words above.

'Convergence' is nothing more than the idea that somewhere between totalitarian communism and totalitarian capitalism

there is some sort of moderate, centrist, mix of the two, a happy medium if you will.

Of course to rightwingers who believe that the best symbol of how America has been destroyed is the Social Security check that goes into their grandmother's bank account every month,

'happy' is not the word they would use.
 

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