Zone1 Who created all things?

onefour1 said:

Firstborn​

In the patriarchal order, the firstborn son is the heir and inherits the leadership of the family upon the death of the father. This is often spoken of in the scriptures as birthright (Gen. 43:33). Under the law of Moses, the firstborn son was regarded as belonging to God, and special ordinances were provided for his redemption (Ex. 13:12–15; 22:29; Num. 3:45; Luke 2:22–23). The eldest son received a double portion of his father’s possessions (Deut. 21:17); and after his father’s death, he was responsible for the care of the mother and sisters. The male firstborn of animals also belonged to God. Clean animals were used for sacrifices, while unclean animals might be redeemed, sold, or put to death (Ex. 13:2–13; 34:19–20; Lev. 27:11–13, 26–27).

Jesus is the firstborn of the spirit children of our Heavenly Father, the Only Begotten of the Father in the flesh, and the first to rise from the dead in the Resurrection, “that in all things he might have the preeminence” (Col. 1:13–18).

The faithful saints were made members of the Church of the Firstborn in eternity, since they receive through Jesus Christ the inheritance of the firstborn (D&C 93:21–22). Joseph, though not the firstborn of Jacob, received the inheritance as though he were the firstborn (1 Chr. 5:1–2), as also did Ephraim (Gen. 48; Jer. 31:9).

In matters of priesthood, in the Aaronic order, certain prerogatives descend upon the firstborn. For example, the right of presidency, to hold the keys of that priesthood, pertains to the firstborn in the family of Aaron (D&C 68:16–21).
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As a Mormon, you believe God the Father had physical intercourse with Mary. Isn't that correct?
 
BS Filter said:
As a Mormon, you believe God the Father had physical intercourse with Mary. Isn't that correct?
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No we don't know that. We do believe that she was inseminated by the seed of the Father however. How that was accomplished is not fully known. Certain scriptures tell us that the Holy Ghost was involved:

Matthew 1:18
18 ¶ Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Maybe through the Holy Ghost, Jesus was inseminated with the seed of the Father. We just do not know how Mary was impregnated exactly. As a spirit, the Holy Ghost did not have the power to procreate on his own. Scripture tells us that Jesus is the seed of the Father.
 
kjw47 said:
Many prophecies came true. Foretold years in advance. Like Isaiah prophesied that a king named Cyrus would overthrow Babylon-200 years prior to it occurring.
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I see no response to any link. In any event, scholars say that this was not written 200 years before. This is why you cannot rely on ancient writings. No one knows who wrote them or when. The book of Isiah was believed to have been written far earlier than it really was. Since it is not dated and no one was around to confirm when it was written, religious people at that time period wanted to create a "prophet" in order to justify their contrived beliefs and did so.
 
onefour1 said:
No we don't know that. We do believe that she was inseminated by the seed of the Father however. How that was accomplished is not fully known. Certain scriptures tell us that the Holy Ghost was involved:

Matthew 1:18
18 ¶ Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Maybe through the Holy Ghost, Jesus was inseminated with the seed of the Father. We just do not know how Mary was impregnated exactly. As a spirit, the Holy Ghost did not have the power to procreate on his own. Scripture tells us that Jesus is the seed of the Father.
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Please show the Scripture that says Jesus is the seed of the Father.
 
Paradoxical#1 said:
When a religion is constructed that claims God will punish you eternally if you didn't kiss his ass, religion has everything to do with it.
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Christianity doesn't say that. However, Scripture does say pride goes before a fall. If Christianity is wrong we've lost nothing. If you're wrong, you've lost everything.
 
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Paradoxical#1 said:
When a religion is constructed that claims God will punish you eternally if you didn't kiss his ass, religion has everything to do with it.
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Do quicksand and riptides punish you if cautions are not heeded?

Those who believe in God know he wants us to succeed. We put God first, we love others, we honor our parents, on through the rest of the Commandments and teachings. We do not see God as a threat.

It appears it is those who hate God who see him as a threat. Have you taken any time to learn and to follow the Laws of God? How has that worked if you have?
 
Meriweather said:
Do quicksand and riptides punish you if cautions are not heeded?

Those who believe in God know he wants us to succeed. We put God first, we love others, we honor our parents, on through the rest of the Commandments and teachings. We do not see God as a threat.

It appears it is those who hate God who see him as a threat. Have you taken any time to learn and to follow the Laws of God? How has that worked if you have?
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I don't believe that anybody really hates your god. An atheist can't feel hate for a god that he doesn't believe exists.
It's more like being indifferent.

I doubt that there are many Christians who don't have doubts about the god's existence and therefore can't feel love for him. The majority are driven by fear instead of love.
 
Meriweather said:
Do quicksand and riptides punish you if cautions are not heeded?

Those who believe in God know he wants us to succeed. We put God first, we love others, we honor our parents, on through the rest of the Commandments and teachings. We do not see God as a threat.
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That's demonstrably not true. Can anybody even remember when a Christian showed love for an atheist on this board?

The Christians only react to non-believers in ways that show they fear hearing the truth.
 

C.S. Lewis speaks on Christ’s Return​

August 10, 2012 by memullin
C.S. Lewis on the subject of the return of Christ:

When that happens, it is the end of the world. When the author walks on to the stage the play is over. God is gong to invade, all right: but what is the good of saying you are on His side then, when you see the whole natural universe melting away like a dream and something else – something it never entered your head to conceive – comes crashing in; something so beautiful to some of us and so terrible to others that none of us will have any choice left? For this time it will be God without disguise; something so overwhelming that it will strike either irresistible love or irresistible horror into every creature. It will be too late then to choose your side. There is no use saying you choose to lie down when it has become impossible to stand up. That will not be the time for choosing; it will be the time when we discovery which side we really have chosen, whether we realised it before or not. Now, today, this moment, is our chance to choose the right side. God is holding back to give us that chance. It will not last forever. We must take it or leave it.
–Mere Christianity
 
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C.S. Lewis speaks on Christ’s Return​

August 10, 2012 by memullin
C.S. Lewis on the subject of the return of Christ:

When that happens, it is the end of the world. When the author walks on to the stage the play is over. God is gong to invade, all right: but what is the good of saying you are on His side then, when you see the whole natural universe melting away like a dream and something else – something it never entered your head to conceive – comes crashing in; something so beautiful to some of us and so terrible to others that none of us will have any choice left? For this time it will be God without disguise; something so overwhelming that it will strike either irresistible love or irresistible horror into every creature. It will be too late then to choose your side. There is no use saying you choose to lie down when it has become impossible to stand up. That will not be the time for choosing; it will be the time when we discovery which side we really have chosen, whether we realised it before or not. Now, today, this moment, is our chance to choose the right side. God is holding back to give us that chance. It will not last forever. We must take it or leave it.
–Mere Christianity
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It's too late to try convincing non-believers with the threats and fear. Science has provided far too many contradictions that the uncommitted have to be aware of.

Human life evolving from a frog pond, or Adam and Eve?
 
BS Filter said:
Christianity doesn't say that. However, Scripture does say pride goes before a fall. If Christianity is wrong we've lost nothing. If you're wrong, you've lost everything.
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C. S. Lewis's lie. It's like making up a story about monsters skinning you alive for eternity if you don't believe an obviously made-up story but if you force yourself to believe you get candy and ice cream as much as you want.
 
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