Zone1 Adam & Eve were not the first humans created by God

Moses 3

Chapter 3

(June–October 1830)

God created all things spiritually before they were naturally upon the earth—He created man, the first flesh, upon the earth—Woman is a help meet for man.

1 Thus the heaven and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day I, God, ended my work, and all things which I had made; and I rested on the seventh day from all my work, and all things which I had made were finished, and I, God, saw that they were good;

3 And I, God, blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it; because that in it I had rested from all my work which I, God, had created and made.

4 And now, behold, I say unto you, that these are the generations of the heaven and of the earth, when they were created, in the day that I, the Lord God, made the heaven and the earth,

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew. For I, the Lord God, created all things, of which I have spoken, spiritually, before they were naturally upon the face of the earth. For I, the Lord God, had not caused it to rain upon the face of the earth. And I, the Lord God, had created all the children of men; and not yet a man to till the ground; for in heaven created I them; and there was not yet flesh upon the earth, neither in the water, neither in the air;

6 But I, the Lord God, spake, and there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

7 And I, the Lord God, formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul, the first flesh upon the earth, the first man also; nevertheless, all things were before created; but spiritually were they created and made according to my word.

8 And I, the Lord God, planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there I put the man whom I had formed.

9 And out of the ground made I, the Lord God, to grow every tree, naturally, that is pleasant to the sight of man; and man could behold it. And it became also a living soul. For it was spiritual in the day that I created it; for it remaineth in the sphere in which I, God, created it, yea, even all things which I prepared for the use of man; and man saw that it was good for food. And I, the Lord God, planted the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and also the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

10 And I, the Lord God, caused a river to go out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

11 And I, the Lord God, called the name of the first Pison, and it compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where I, the Lord God, created much gold;

12 And the gold of that land was good, and there was bdellium and the onyx stone.

13 And the name of the second river was called Gihon; the same that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.

14 And the name of the third river was Hiddekel; that which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river was the Euphrates.

15 And I, the Lord God, took the man, and put him into the Garden of Eden, to dress it, and to keep it.

16 And I, the Lord God, commanded the man, saying: Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat,

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it, nevertheless, thou mayest choose for thyself, for it is given unto thee; but, remember that I forbid it, for in the day thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

18 And I, the Lord God, said unto mine Only Begotten, that it was not good that the man should be alone; wherefore, I will make an help meet for him.

19 And out of the ground I, the Lord God, formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and commanded that they should come unto Adam, to see what he would call them; and they were also living souls; for I, God, breathed into them the breath of life, and commanded that whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that should be the name thereof.

20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but as for Adam, there was not found an help meet for him.

21 And I, the Lord God, caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam; and he slept, and I took one of his ribs and closed up the flesh in the stead thereof;

22 And the rib which I, the Lord God, had taken from man, made I a woman, and brought her unto the man.

23 And Adam said: This I know now is bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of man.

24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife; and they shall be one flesh.

25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.


Moses 4

Chapter 4

(June–October 1830)

How Satan became the devil—He tempts Eve—Adam and Eve fall, and death enters the world.

1 And I, the Lord God, spake unto Moses, saying: That Satan, whom thou hast commanded in the name of mine Only Begotten, is the same which was from the beginning, and he came before me, saying—Behold, here am I, send me, I will be thy son, and I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost, and surely I will do it; wherefore give me thine honor.

2 But, behold, my Beloved Son, which was my Beloved and Chosen from the beginning, said unto me—Father, thy will be done, and the glory be thine forever.

3 Wherefore, because that Satan rebelled against me, and sought to destroy the agency of man, which I, the Lord God, had given him, and also, that I should give unto him mine own power; by the power of mine Only Begotten, I caused that he should be cast down;

4 And he became Satan, yea, even the devil, the father of all lies, to deceive and to blind men, and to lead them captive at his will, even as many as would not hearken unto my voice.

5 And now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which I, the Lord God, had made.

6 And Satan put it into the heart of the serpent, (for he had drawn away many after him,) and he sought also to beguile Eve, for he knew not the mind of God, wherefore he sought to destroy the world.

7 And he said unto the woman: Yea, hath God said—Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? (And he spake by the mouth of the serpent.)

8 And the woman said unto the serpent: We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden;

9 But of the fruit of the tree which thou beholdest in the midst of the garden, God hath said—Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

10 And the serpent said unto the woman: Ye shall not surely die;

11 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

12 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it became pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make her wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and also gave unto her husband with her, and he did eat.

13 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they had been naked. And they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves aprons.

14 And they heard the voice of the Lord God, as they were walking in the garden, in the cool of the day; and Adam and his wife went to hide themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden.

15 And I, the Lord God, called unto Adam, and said unto him: Where goest thou?

16 And he said: I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I beheld that I was naked, and I hid myself.

17 And I, the Lord God, said unto Adam: Who told thee thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldst not eat, if so thou shouldst surely die?

18 And the man said: The woman thou gavest me, and commandest that she should remain with me, she gave me of the fruit of the tree and I did eat.

19 And I, the Lord God, said unto the woman: What is this thing which thou hast done? And the woman said: The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

20 And I, the Lord God, said unto the serpent: Because thou hast done this thou shalt be cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life;

21 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, between thy seed and her seed; and he shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

22 Unto the woman, I, the Lord God, said: I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception. In sorrow thou shalt bring forth children, and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

23 And unto Adam, I, the Lord God, said: Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the fruit of the tree of which I commanded thee, saying—Thou shalt not eat of it, cursed shall be the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life.

24 Thorns also, and thistles shall it bring forth to thee, and thou shalt eat the herb of the field.

25 By the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, until thou shalt return unto the ground—for thou shalt surely die—for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou wast, and unto dust shalt thou return.

26 And Adam called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living; for thus have I, the Lord God, called the first of all women, which are many.

27 Unto Adam, and also unto his wife, did I, the Lord God, make coats of skins, and clothed them.

28 And I, the Lord God, said unto mine Only Begotten: Behold, the man is become as one of us to know good and evil; and now lest he put forth his hand and partake also of the tree of life, and eat and live forever,

29 Therefore I, the Lord God, will send him forth from the Garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken;

30 For as I, the Lord God, liveth, even so my words cannot return void, for as they go forth out of my mouth they must be fulfilled.

31 So I drove out the man, and I placed at the east of the Garden of Eden, cherubim and a flaming sword, which turned every way to keep the way of the tree of life.

32 (And these are the words which I spake unto my servant Moses, and they are true even as I will; and I have spoken them unto you. See thou show them unto no man, until I command you, except to them that believe. Amen.)
 
What is your source for this, please?
Google says: primarily found in The Alphabet of Ben Sira (also known as the Lilith Myth), a Jewish work written between the 8th and 10th centuries CE. While the Bible mentions a "woman" (Oral traditions says this is Lilith) in Genesis 1:27 CREATED alongside Adam, IT IS NOT CONSIDERED a specific individual named Lilith BUT AN Alegory.
People have a form of Lilith from mythology not The Torah or oral traditions of the sages. This is because they confused Liliam and Lilly in future accts which was demonic to Solomon, but not the same figure in the Genesis. Lilith was the Night Spector (you'd get the significance if you knew the legend of how the city of Shalem becomes the city of Shalom).
Zohar has something similar to the story of Lilith:
The lesser light is the hosts which reflect G-d’s light and the moon itself is the eternal Davidic Kingdom which in the Talmud is represented by the moon and as a woman=Israel.
Notice the Zohar uses the same bases of the Lilith story .
God then said "Go thy way forth in the footsteps of the flock." Thereupon she diminished herself so as to be head of the lower ranks. From that time she has had no light of her own, but derives her light from the sun. At first they were on an equality, but afterwards she diminished herself among all those grades of hers, although she is still head of them; for a woman enjoys no honour save in conjunction with her husband.
(Notice this remembering sea=Rome):
The Holy One, blessed be He, removed her from them and made her go below. When He created Adam
(meaning man)and gave him a partner, as soon as she saw Eve (adam-mans second bride)clinging to his side and was reminded by his form of the supernal beauty, she flew up from thence and tried as before to attach herself to the "little faces". The supernal guardians of the gates, however, did not permit her. The Holy One, blessed be He, chid her and cast her into the depths of the sea (Rome), where she abode until the time that Adam and his wife sinned. Then the Holy One, blessed be He, brought her out from the depth of the sea (Rome) and gave her power over all those children.


More interesting emulations:
in reference to the stars=Hosts-
‘Lower earth, which derives light from them’ (the Hosts/stars=messengers)
which send it from the upper level (perfected earth called heaven)
Where does the scripture come from? Heaven (world to come aka future kingdom)Therefore the word is there to warn us of our path in order to bring Heaven down to earth (future perfection kingdom closer in time)
The tree of Life is considered the deeper aspect of the Torah thus leaving us the tree of life to eat from means leaving the word to help guide us.
The forbidden tree that Eve (the second bride of man =The Church) partakes from is the one in the center of the Garden (which is described as ancient Iran according to Genesis 2:10-14)This is where the rivers converge, rivers are spiritual congregations/faiths in biblical meaning, thus the forbidden tree in the center is the converging of faiths all steming from Zoroasterianism which started in that region.
The deity of Mithra (mythology from ancient Iran), the sickly man on the cross, born of a virgin died then rose 3 days from a tomb predating Jesus is the forbidden image taken from that tree. Thus that image that walked the garden in Ezekiel 28 regarding the fallen false prophet. This converging and compiling mythologies and cultures is warned because it mixes both knowledge that is good and doctrines that are evil. When they eat of this and have the knowledge they will become like us means they will become like the hosts (kohanim/priests) who is the context of the "US" spoken of. They will become like G-d means they will take this forbidden compilation and make themselves a false temple and false hierarchy of hosts (cardinals and Bishops) and the Pope makes himself as a G-d just as the bible in Genesis did warn. Rome was famous for stealing people's deities by conquering them, telling them their deity no longer favored them, then set up a temple for that deity in their own territory claiming to be the new authority including setting up new books and new false doctrines. This is what they did with the deity Juno and what they did in destroying the Jerusalem Temple with stealing YHWH, claiming he was now in disfavor with the Jews, so they fooled people into believing they were now the authority and temple. Thus made themselves the new (impostor) Hosts and Pope set up as the new (impostor) father in heaven.
 
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So how do you account for God creating humans in Genesis 1 and then creating Adam and Eve in Genesis 2?
Its simple when read and comprehended in "context". From Genesis 1:2 to Genesis 2:4 is God's accounting of how He created everything in the world. Only God could give such a history/account because man was not created until the 6th day.

The scriptures clearly declare "There was no man to till the ground"...........until Adam was created on the 6th day. Read, in context Genesis 2:4.

After Genesis 2:4........the scriptures go to Adam's account of history. He begins by giving a simple history of where He came from........He does not go into detailing the creation story because He was not there. But He gives a great detail concerning the 6th day of creation.........the day Adam was first formed from the ground and God breathed life into Him.

All through out Genesis there are personal histories documented beginning with Adam.

A simple listing.

Genesis 5: 1 The records of Adam. Genesis 6:9 The record of Noah. Genesis 10:1 the records of Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Genesis 11:10 The records of Shem. Genesis 11:27 the record of Terah. Genesis 25:12 the record of Ishmael (which is contained in Issac's account). Genesis 25:19 the record Isaac. Genesis 36:1,9 the record Esau (contained in Jacobs record. Genesis 37:2 the record of Jacob..........and lastly the record of the Children of Israel Exodus 1:1

There are no 2 creations..........no creation of man before day 6, these records are narratives given by different individuals and recorded by Moses into one book........


And yes procreation came directly from Adam's lineage.........such was allowed because man was pure no generational decay caused by disease etc., man was created perfect........and brothers married sisters. Adam and Eve had more offspring than Cain and Able as He lived over 800 years and many sons and daughters. (Genesis 5:3-4)

This biblical history might upset some people because they automatically assume that it advocates incest......even for today.

Incest is forbidden by Biblical scripture and for a practical reason........the genetic diseases that can occur when relatives reproduce. When the world was new.........the mutations that cause/create genetic diseases were not in the gene pool.

Think about it.........you can get no more incestuous than God taking a rib from Adam to create Eve........then they procreated. Eve had Adams DNA directly implanted into her body.

The custom of relatives marring slowly was removed from the Bible.......because of the fore mentioned chance of genetic disease. In Adams days it was perfectly fine to procreate with a relative..........in Abrahams day he was married to his half sister and this was considered just fine (Genesis 20:1-12).

When you go further along with Biblical history you find in Moses day it was not legal to marry a relative any closer then your 1st cousin (Lev. 18:6-18)........today its not practical or legal for anyone to marry their 1st cousin because of our generational gene pool which has been corrupted with disease causing genes...........the world has changed since the days of Adam and Abraham, so has mankind.
 
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The Bible says so.

Genesis 1 describes God creating humanity.

26 Then God said, “Let us make man[h] in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
28 And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” 29 And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. 30 And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so. 31 And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.



Genesis 2 describes God creating Adam and Eve and placing them in the Garden of Eden. You can read about it here: Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 2 - New International Version
I agree with you but not for the same reason. It's clear that the God's were men as well because Adam was made in their image. Glorified men who then were resurrected. Now, most will disagree with me because they have confirmation bias from their upbringings in their churches. However, what you are saying is the God made many men and women to populate the earth before Adam and Eve. So, look to Genesis 2:7-8, "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there he put THE MAN whom he had formed." This MAN is singular.

As far as how did Cain go away from where his family was and find humans and his wife? There is no indication that Cain and Abel were their first children. Even if they were, Cain and Abel were probably hundreds of year old when Cain slew Abel. Plenty of time for the family of Adam and Eve to have multiplied and replenish the earth.
 
The Bible says so.

Genesis 1 describes God creating humanity.

26 Then God said, “Let us make man[h] in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
28 And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” 29 And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. 30 And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so. 31 And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.



Genesis 2 describes God creating Adam and Eve and placing them in the Garden of Eden. You can read about it here: Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 2 - New International Version

the above are lies of the desert dwellers ...

jesus taught the truth -

Then they said, “Let us make life in our image, in our likeness, the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky the livestock and all the wild animals, and all the creatures that move along the ground.”

the heavens created life the same for all beings and opportunities for admission to the everlasting the same for however long they are able to survive.
 
I agree with you but not for the same reason. It's clear that the God's were men as well because Adam was made in their image. Glorified men who then were resurrected. Now, most will disagree with me because they have confirmation bias from their upbringings in their churches. However, what you are saying is the God made many men and women to populate the earth before Adam and Eve. So, look to Genesis 2:7-8, "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there he put THE MAN whom he had formed." This MAN is singular.

As far as how did Cain go away from where his family was and find humans and his wife? There is no indication that Cain and Abel were their first children. Even if they were, Cain and Abel were probably hundreds of year old when Cain slew Abel. Plenty of time for the family of Adam and Eve to have multiplied and replenish the earth.
Incest?
 
Incest? Indeed.........Eve was created from the RIB of ADAM. You can get no closer DNA that that. The Bible narrates that incest......Brother/Sisters,Cousins, etc., could marry in order to procreate...........Abraham was married to his half sister, the custom of marrying close relatives deceased slowly the further the timeline is followed. Moses forbid marrying between anyone closer that cousins........in the New Testament it is forbidden to marry any close relative, marriage is between one woman and one man. See post #63 for Biblical Documentation.
 
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most scholars consider 1 John 5:7, specifically the phrase "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one," to be a spurious addition to the biblical text. It's not found in the earliest Greek manuscripts or quoted by early church fathers, leading many to believe it was added later to support the doctrine of the Trinity.
 
Right. It isn't Biblical. It is lore. And here is a bit of trivia:
Mother's rock their babies to sleep by singing a lullaby, which in Hebrew means Lilith begone.
I have seen this claim about the meaning in Hebrew, but there is no Hebrew word like "abei".
 
most scholars consider 1 John 5:7, specifically the phrase "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one," to be a spurious addition to the biblical text. It's not found in the earliest Greek manuscripts or quoted by early church fathers, leading many to believe it was added later to support the doctrine of the Trinity.

How about The baptism of Jesus?

Jesus is in the water, the Holy Spirit descends upon him, and a voice from heaven proclaims being pleased with Jesus the son.


Mark Chapter 1


9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.

10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:

11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
 
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