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It's the god they've made up in their minds, since there is no proof of god.It is less than clear that "religious people" have more than the most tenuous connection with "God".
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It's the god they've made up in their minds, since there is no proof of god.It is less than clear that "religious people" have more than the most tenuous connection with "God".
It is certain that they worship an image they have of "God". That there is much more to the universe than "meets the eye" is also certain.It's the god they've made up in their minds, since there is no proof of god.
There is only "ONE" holy bible...........if you live by the precepts provided in its revelations "The World" would have no concerns. Its people (such as you) that make daily uninformed poor decisions (free will judgments) that have caused the chaos you mention. Provide the information found in the N.T. of Christ Jesus that promotes or authorizes anything you just stated that would "mess" the world up.....harm anyone, cause anyone to steal from another, murder another.....etc.,The different bibles and korans... have messed people up and you still quote it. We're made in god's image, so he must be a real asshole.
"Think about your argument in a logical and reasoned manner", ok then prove to me there's an invisible god who cares what we do. That would be the logical starting point.There is only "ONE" holy bible...........if you live by the precepts provided in its revelations "The World" would have no concerns. Its people (such as you) that make daily uninformed poor decisions (free will judgments) that have caused the chaos you mention. Provide the information found in the N.T. of Christ Jesus that promotes or authorizes anything you just stated that would "mess" the world up.....harm anyone, cause anyone to steal from another, murder another.....etc.,
Book, Chapter and Verse please. As the Holy Bible is the very source of Christian Doctrine, "faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God." -- Romans 10:17. If you can't provide a doctrine such as you OPINED that is the fault to all the worlds problems.......again, present the book, chapter and verser, if you cannot I call BS. Why? Because I have been endowed with FREE WILL and you are presenting a most illogical argument.
I find your charges most humorous when you charge Religion for messing people up............like they have no free will and are incapable of making decisions. And you do this in a most ironic way.........you attempt to persuade others of the value of your opinion. If there is no free will..........just how is persuasion applicable? Just how do you persuade others that you are more intelligent, more powerful, than the God of Creation? I choose door number 2.
Think about your argument in a logical and reasoned manner...........You claim that religion is to blame for mankind's problems, the impliation being......there is no God. If there is no God this material world is all there is to humanities existence. There can be nothing Supernatural (superior to the natural).......thus everyone's thought process is guided by nature and the physical laws thereof. Since there is no supernatural guiding force of morality........mankind and his thought process are made up of nothing more than matter....that makes choices/decisions as guided by the natural universe. Free will cannot exist in such a circumstance because mankind is totally dependent upon nature to guide his/her choices.
Darwinian Cultism in a nut shell. Survival of the fittest...might makes right.....its all about survival, there are no absolute moral codes of conduct. Each person acts depending upon the circumstance that naturally exist around him/her. No right, no wrong.......only programed reactions to a natural action.
The question then? What are the implications of such an opinion? If we can't make free will decisions, what would that indicate in relation to morality? What about crime, punishment established by society? The conclusion would be that people are no more guilty of committing crimes than a rock or a tree.........as its nature that guides their path.
In such a world with no free will.............just how does religion take on the burden of blame for natures acts?![]()
Sure, but the part about an invisible god who cares what we do hasn't been proven yet.It is certain that they worship an image they have of "God". That there is much more to the universe than "meets the eye" is also certain.
"Think about your argument in a logical and reasoned manner", ok then prove to me there's an invisible god who cares what we do. That would be the logical starting point.
Why would free will not exist if there's no god who cares what we do? Where's the logic in that?If there is not........then free will is non existent, and your argument falls on its face proving that it is YOU as guided by nature that is destroying the world (according to your logic or lack thereof).
Always good for a belly laugh........the illogical atheist. First you argue that Religion is responsible then you deny the existence for the source of all the religions in the world, A BELIEF a supernatural force that transends humanity.
Which is it.........UP OR DOWN, NORTH OR SOUTH?![]()
Because you are a product of nature and driven by nature as explained by the Darwinian cult. There is no morality in nature, therefore......without a foundation for a moral compass (if you deny morality transcends mankind and nature).....then you act only as nature intends. Free Will is an illusion......it can't possibly exist having evolved naturally.Why would free will not exist if there's no god who cares what we do? Where's the logic in that?
Gorillas for one, live in social groups and help each other with food, grooming, defence... In lots of species one parent will stay with the babies and one will go get food for everyone, just like humans... There is even homosexuality in nature.Because you are a product of nature and driven by nature as explained by the Darwinian cult. There is no morality in nature, therefore......without a foundation for a moral compass (if you deny morality transcends mankind and nature).....then you act only as nature intends. Free Will is an illusion......it can't possibly exist having evolved naturally.
If this is not true.........explain how MORALITY as based upon free will evolved without transcendence of a superior cause? Show us morality in nature, the capacity to determine right from wrong independently. Morality does not exist in nature, nor does free will...........nature is random with animals acting only by instinct..........this is what Darwin would have you believe about man, there is no morality, its all about might makes right, survivial of the fittest.......you act only as nature intends for you to act in order to survive and reproduce.
Simple terms: Its a matter of logic when considered to its logical conclusion. The law of the excluded middle explains, nothing can be true and false at the same instant. Either something is based upon truth and exists or its negation exists. Simpler? You can't have your cake and eat it to.
Yeah.............being a mother and protecting your children and bloodline is not natural therefore it must be morality? Nature has 3 objectives......life (the innate requirement to find nourishment/food), reproduction (the innate requirement to reproduce the bloodline....nature makes sure by having certain species come into HEAT ......an overwhelming need to engage in sex, unlike mankind that can and does plan for reproduction and a continued bloodline) and protection of the bloodline, and its all based upon INSTINCT not morality.Gorillas for one, live in social groups and help each other with food, grooming, defence... In lots of species one parent will stay with the babies and one will go get food for everyone, just like humans... There is even homosexuality in nature.
"There is no morality in nature, therefore" you make unfounded claims and make up your own logic.
My cat's have free will. I let them out and it's up to them if they want to come back, and when.
Now back up what you just said with some real science, links and all. I'll wait.Yeah.............being a mother and protecting your children and bloodline is not natural therefore it must be morality? Nature has 3 objectives......life (the innate requirement to find nourishment/food), reproduction (the innate requirement to reproduce the bloodline....nature makes sure by having certain species come into HEAT ......an overwhelming need to engage in sex, unlike mankind that can and does plan for reproduction and a continued bloodline) and protection of the bloodline, and its all based upon INSTINCT not morality.
Example: A lion lies on a flat rock out of the sun.......just relaxing, along comes a Gazelle, the lion simply allows this animal to pass unmolsted........while just yesterday it ambushed and killed another one just like this one. What's the difference? Yesterday......the lion was hungry, it acted on instinct, today it was simply relaxing form the large meal it had yesterday........there was no consideration for the life of the prey or empathy toward another animal.........both were simply surviving.
What's strange? Its only humanity that can decide to kill the same children that nature requires that any mother protect (an example of determining right from wrong and making a choice.....only man decides to ABORT a gestating example of life within its species).
You gave an example of a primate being social as an example of morality? I wonder if the chimp that was raised and trained had any cognition to right and wrong when it ate its masters face off?
Morality begins and ends with the ability to comprehend and act on acquiring the knowledge that defines RIGHT FROM WRONG. No animal knows the difference.........some animals can be trained but even then this training takes root because mankind rewards certain actions and punishes certain actions in animals, its not because the animal comprehends right from wrong.
Question who told man that its wrong to murder, steal, cheat, etc...........with a commonality all across the civilized world of the same traits that define morality in society. There can be no law of morality without a lawgiver.......who is that lawgiver if it does not exist in nature?
You just contradicted Darwinian cult propaganda by making a claim that its not the survival of the fittest........but survival by having a moral compass.
Define: The law of the excluded middle.
That's your personal opinion. So what?Morals are effectively standards. For any given thing there exists a standard which is the highest possible standard. This standard exists independent of anything else. It is in effect a universal standard. It exists for LOGICAL reasons. When we deviate from this standard and normalize our deviance from the standard, eventually the reason the standard exists will be discovered. The reason this happens is because error cannot stand. Eventually error will fail and the truth will be discovered. Thus proving that morals cannot be anything we want them to be but are indeed based upon some universal code of common decency that is independent of man and are LOGICAL. Ergo morals are an artifact of intelligence and that's why morals exist in human beings and not in other animals to the degree that they exist in humans.
There is only "ONE" holy bible...........if you live by the precepts provided in its revelations "The World" would have no concerns. Its people (such as you) that make daily uninformed poor decisions (free will judgments) that have caused the chaos you mention. Provide the information found in the N.T. of Christ Jesus that promotes or authorizes anything you just stated that would "mess" the world up.....harm anyone, cause anyone to steal from another, murder another.....etc.,
Book, Chapter and Verse please. As the Holy Bible is the very source of Christian Doctrine, "faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God." -- Romans 10:17. If you can't provide a doctrine such as you OPINED that is the fault to all the worlds problems.......again, present the book, chapter and verser, if you cannot I call BS. Why? Because I have been endowed with FREE WILL and you are presenting a most illogical argument.
I find your charges most humorous when you charge Religion for messing people up............like they have no free will and are incapable of making decisions. And you do this in a most ironic way.........you attempt to persuade others of the value of your opinion. If there is no free will..........just how is persuasion applicable? Just how do you persuade others that you are more intelligent, more powerful, than the God of Creation? I choose door number 2.
Think about your argument in a logical and reasoned manner...........You claim that religion is to blame for mankind's problems, the impliation being......there is no God. If there is no God this material world is all there is to humanities existence. There can be nothing Supernatural (superior to the natural).......thus everyone's thought process is guided by nature and the physical laws thereof. Since there is no supernatural guiding force of morality........mankind and his thought process are made up of nothing more than matter....that makes choices/decisions as guided by the natural universe. Free will cannot exist in such a circumstance because mankind is totally dependent upon nature to guide his/her choices.
Darwinian Cultism in a nut shell. Survival of the fittest...might makes right.....its all about survival, there are no absolute moral codes of conduct. Each person acts depending upon the circumstance that naturally exist around him/her. No right, no wrong.......only programed reactions to a natural action.
The question then? What are the implications of such an opinion? If we can't make free will decisions, what would that indicate in relation to morality? What about crime, punishment established by society? The conclusion would be that people are no more guilty of committing crimes than a rock or a tree.........as its nature that guides their path.
In such a world with no free will.............just how does religion take on the burden of blame for natures acts?![]()
Wait all you want.........its you that claimed that animals can comprehend right from wrong and have a moral compass based upon the concept of morality. Science is your supposed realm, you should have no problem presenting the objective, observable, reproducible facts in evidence that demonstrate that aniamls can reason between right and wrong. Go for it.Now back up what you just said with some real science, links and all. I'll wait.![]()
Happy to provide some entertainment: that which is required for man’s survival I took to be good in Rand's view. Therefore, whatever a thinking/rational man does to survive is good. Hitler tried to do that for a whole nation in opposition to lesser nations, ergo, he was a good man.
Murder is evil..........killing someone with premeditation in order for selfish reasons. Animals are incapable of evil.....animals kill by instinct to survive or preserve their bloodline..
Killing for survival may be antisocial but not always evil.
Killing for the sake of genocide, using it to turn your people against each other,
and oppressing anyone who objects under penalty of death is a bit closer to evil than good in my humble opinion.
But I can see where you would rather ignore the evil in attempts to justify ignorance over rational thought.
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Murder is evil..........killing someone with premeditation in order for selfish reasons. Animals are incapable of evil.....animals kill by instinct to survive or preserve their bloodline.
Killing by man can be justified. As described by the Christ, "There is no greater love than to lay down one's life for another......." -- John 15:13
It was God that first delivered the concept of Capital Punishment for Crimes against humanity (Genesis 9:6).......and carried forth into the New Testament covenant (Romans 13:1-4)
Jesus even commanded His disciples to sell their garments and purchase weapons for self defense when He sent them on missions into lands that were known to be occupied by theifs/bandits and murderers (Luke 22:36)
Self defense of life and property are justified by Christian Doctrine .............as per the parable taught by Jesus -- (Luke 11:21)
Murder is evil..........killing someone with premeditation in order for selfish reasons. Animals are incapable of evil.....animals kill by instinct to survive or preserve their bloodline.
Killing by man can be justified. As described by the Christ, "There is no greater love than to lay down one's life for another......." -- John 15:13
It was God that first delivered the concept of Capital Punishment for Crimes against humanity (Genesis 9:6).......and carried forth into the New Testament covenant (Romans 13:1-4)
Jesus even commanded His disciples to sell their garments and purchase weapons for self defense when He sent them on missions into lands that were known to be occupied by theifs/bandits and murderers (Luke 22:36)
Self defense of life and property are justified by Christian Doctrine .............as per the parable taught by Jesus -- (Luke 11:21)