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My left-wing is France Germany Canada New Zealand Australia. Venezuela Argentina Chile are examples of GOP sabotage in the third world or second world at most. Also Obama and ObamaCare. Anything for money for the rich, super duper dupe.ROFL! What "covert action?" What tariffs did he impost on Venezuela? If socialism is such a superior system, then why does every economic hiccup in the USA wreck it?Is Fox not mention it? Trump is doing it to Venezuela today. Sanctions and tariffs and covert action everywhere, dumbass. Just like Kissinger did with Argentina and chili and everywhere else. Wake up and smell the coffee. They just wanted to elect their own government. And they were not communist. Democratic Socialist and not Chumps for the GOP. Not America, the GOP piece of s***. Read a history book. The GOP has been grabbing money from people around the world since Teddy Roosevelt and McKinley and Hawaii. Military adventures in the Dominican Republic Cuba Mexico El Salvador Honduras and on and on. Under the GOP. Got it dumbass? And now Trump is doing the worst we've done in sometime, or at least trying to.You mean they don't become communists until they manage to establish a dictatorship? Somehow I don't find that claim very compelling.Communists are dictators, these people were all elected. Iran 1953, Argentina Chile and Venezuela any minute. All sabotaged totally by the GOP. See also Honduras El Salvador Guatemala Mexico etcetera etceteraYep, it was a wreck mostly because Allende wrecked it.Yes it was ranked number four in 1950, in competition with destroyed countries from World War II. By 1982 it was a wreck.
From Richer to Poorer: Venezuela's Economic Tragedy Visualized
You have ridiculous propaganda for every need, Super Duper. Venezuela did fine under Hugo Chavez until George W bush wrecked the world economy.
Venezuela did not do fine under Chavez. The food problems had already begun. Furthermore, the guy before Chavez was also a communist.
The one thing you can't deny is that under free market capitalism Venezuela flourished. Under socialism, the people starve.
We know it's all America's fault. Isn't everything bad in the world our fault? How did the GOP "sabotage" Chile, Argentina or Venezuela?
And it was the GOP under George W bush that wrecked the world economy in 2008 and made all this stuff worse. It's like the GOP World depression of 1929 that led to chaos and Hitler and Japanese militarists and on and on. Your party is a disgrace and disaster and so are you.
It's a wonder how you leftwing idiots rationalize the repeated failure of your schemes. It's always someone else's fault.
No one is fooled.
2008 depression Ronald Reagan and his pal Saddam Nixon and his buddy the shah and his secret police etc etc. Covert action and sabotage in Iran 1953 Honduras Guatemala etc all the way through Argentina Chile all the time the GOP in power every time. Do you want a diagram?. Do you know anything? You are a total rube and GOP dupe.How was it the GOP's fault, asshole?The gop's fault dumbass, not America every time.You mean they don't become communists until they manage to establish a dictatorship? Somehow I don't find that claim very compelling.Communists are dictators, these people were all elected. Iran 1953, Argentina Chile and Venezuela any minute. All sabotaged totally by the GOP. See also Honduras El Salvador Guatemala Mexico etcetera etceteraYep, it was a wreck mostly because Allende wrecked it.Yes it was ranked number four in 1950, in competition with destroyed countries from World War II. By 1982 it was a wreck.
From Richer to Poorer: Venezuela's Economic Tragedy Visualized
You have ridiculous propaganda for every need, Super Duper. Venezuela did fine under Hugo Chavez until George W bush wrecked the world economy.
Venezuela did not do fine under Chavez. The food problems had already begun. Furthermore, the guy before Chavez was also a communist.
The one thing you can't deny is that under free market capitalism Venezuela flourished. Under socialism, the people starve.
We know it's all America's fault. Isn't everything bad in the world our fault? How did the GOP "sabotage" Chile, Argentina or Venezuela?
Time for you to watch PBS and learn about dictatorships Tama Manley about Mussolini tonight.How was it the GOP's fault, asshole?The gop's fault dumbass, not America every time.You mean they don't become communists until they manage to establish a dictatorship? Somehow I don't find that claim very compelling.Communists are dictators, these people were all elected. Iran 1953, Argentina Chile and Venezuela any minute. All sabotaged totally by the GOP. See also Honduras El Salvador Guatemala Mexico etcetera etceteraYep, it was a wreck mostly because Allende wrecked it.Yes it was ranked number four in 1950, in competition with destroyed countries from World War II. By 1982 it was a wreck.
From Richer to Poorer: Venezuela's Economic Tragedy Visualized
You have ridiculous propaganda for every need, Super Duper. Venezuela did fine under Hugo Chavez until George W bush wrecked the world economy.
Venezuela did not do fine under Chavez. The food problems had already begun. Furthermore, the guy before Chavez was also a communist.
The one thing you can't deny is that under free market capitalism Venezuela flourished. Under socialism, the people starve.
We know it's all America's fault. Isn't everything bad in the world our fault? How did the GOP "sabotage" Chile, Argentina or Venezuela?
Certainly one of the most developed, and the most resource rich in SA. I’m not going to argue semantics here. I’m pretty sure they meet the threshold of 1st world, but they’re much worse off now. Which is the main pointVenezuela was never a first world country, idiot. They were an incredibly corrupt oligarchy. The 1% was first world Maybe.Whoa what is fair share? What is this amorphous, subjective term that keeps getting thrown around? At what point is fair share going to be satisfactory? In the European countries there doesn’t seem to be a satisfactory amount so taxes are constantly raised, or they realize continuously raising taxes does not help at all with job creation and they are moving right. And why is it moral to give money to a institution that LOST 1 trillion dollars since the movie the hangover was made? If that was a charity we were giving our hard earned money too, we’d be burning that bitch to the ground.You should also be willing to ask the question : "What role did government play in the creation of Apple Computers?" Starting with its official corporate charter and extending through decades of taxpayer-funded (government) research and development into revolutionary technologies like the Internet, GPS, and touchscreen display.Yea I’d say government is a very shitty vessel for solving our problems. Individuals on the other hand are very good at it. I’m typing on a device that would’ve been considered a supercomputer in the 90s...and it fits in my palm. It’s tech making the entire globe richer, giving the impoverished worldwide access to the internet where they can participate in things like commerce and education they could not have dreamed of 10 years ago. Made by the same company that took 40 some years to be worth what our government lost track of in 10.
Apple received its early stage finance from the US government's small business Investment Company program. Venture capitalists entered only after government funding had gotten Apple to the critical proof of concept stage.
Considering everything government contributed to Apple's current $1 trillion market cap, it is also shameful that Apple refuses to should its fair share of the federal tax burden, imho.
Taxpayers Helped Apple, but Apple Won’t Help Them
Sure apple didn’t get where they are on their own. And an interesting tidbit is that military innovation is probably the largest driver of innovation and beneficial tech for the public overall. But for that to happen, a country needs to recognize that the standard bureaucracy that politics always seems to breeds is detrimental to their military and its best to keep it out as much as possible (which many countries have). However, do you believe that if apple were in the business of whatever government dept, well say Medicare, it would be hemorrhaging as much money knowing it’s competing with google for Medicare patients and healthcare providers to use their service? If amazon ran the DMV do you think my drivers license photo would like I was ready to cry tears of rage? Faaack no. Did apple get where they are on their own. No. Did they have some help from government, sure. Was a government loan the driving force of their success, nope. What free markets do is crowd source solutions to humanities problems while rewarding the people who solve those problems. It monetizes service to humanity. After all, why are you going to pay for something that you don’t need or want? Is capatialism a perfect system, hell no. No system is, but it’s the best we have come up with. It’s not fair to capatilism to define it by the areas that is has fallen short of (areas perceived in this current tiny timeframe that’s constantly changing and improving)...but then ignore the tremendous leaps and bounds it has improved human life world wide. Read Enlightenment Now please, by Stephen Pinker, a Harvard psychologist (whose on the left so this isn’t a right wing shill propagandist). It’s absolutely nothing short of a miracle to see how far humanity has come even in the past 20 years. You will be blown away by the stats. Also Better Angels is another good one by him in the same sort of vein. Also, look up Bjorn Lomborg, he has a book (I haven’t read) but has Ted Talks, articles and videos talking about prioritizing the worlds problems and analysis and the best ways to solves them. It’s good stuff, and will show you that these free market things work pretty damn well.
It’s also important to note that the countries the likes of AOC and Bernie cite are not socialists countries. They are free market countries, with larger social programs than we have, and also larger tax rates. Real socialism is what we see in Venezuela (like 5 years ago it was heralded as a admirable success by the far left), and Cuba. Both are hell holes, and hopefully the change of leadership will help Venezuela (once a modern 1st world country with immense resources) get back in its feet. So what do you mean when you’re talking about socialism?
I think you’re simplifying world problems with an equation of government + more money = problems solved. But it’s not that simple, and government, pretty much by nature, is like a hanging flower pot where you turn the hose on full power and drench it, but only see droplets coming out of the bottom. I’m not saying government isn’t capable of any good, or doesn’t have a place. Just that you should honestly question if it is the best vessel for solving problems. Once again, it lost 1 trillion dollars. That’s a full 1/3 of what it takes in annually in tax revenue. 5% of the entire national GDP it carelessly lost in the cushions of the couch within 10 years. Is government really the best way to provide the most good? Is that going to give us the best bang for our buck?
Sabotaged and sanctioned by the GOP, now Trump pushing in a new president supposedly. It's a GOP mess.Certainly one of the most developed, and the most resource rich in SA. I’m not going to argue semantics here. I’m pretty sure they meet the threshold of 1st world, but they’re much worse off now. Which is the main pointVenezuela was never a first world country, idiot. They were an incredibly corrupt oligarchy. The 1% was first world Maybe.Whoa what is fair share? What is this amorphous, subjective term that keeps getting thrown around? At what point is fair share going to be satisfactory? In the European countries there doesn’t seem to be a satisfactory amount so taxes are constantly raised, or they realize continuously raising taxes does not help at all with job creation and they are moving right. And why is it moral to give money to a institution that LOST 1 trillion dollars since the movie the hangover was made? If that was a charity we were giving our hard earned money too, we’d be burning that bitch to the ground.You should also be willing to ask the question : "What role did government play in the creation of Apple Computers?" Starting with its official corporate charter and extending through decades of taxpayer-funded (government) research and development into revolutionary technologies like the Internet, GPS, and touchscreen display.Yea I’d say government is a very shitty vessel for solving our problems. Individuals on the other hand are very good at it. I’m typing on a device that would’ve been considered a supercomputer in the 90s...and it fits in my palm. It’s tech making the entire globe richer, giving the impoverished worldwide access to the internet where they can participate in things like commerce and education they could not have dreamed of 10 years ago. Made by the same company that took 40 some years to be worth what our government lost track of in 10.
Apple received its early stage finance from the US government's small business Investment Company program. Venture capitalists entered only after government funding had gotten Apple to the critical proof of concept stage.
Considering everything government contributed to Apple's current $1 trillion market cap, it is also shameful that Apple refuses to should its fair share of the federal tax burden, imho.
Taxpayers Helped Apple, but Apple Won’t Help Them
Sure apple didn’t get where they are on their own. And an interesting tidbit is that military innovation is probably the largest driver of innovation and beneficial tech for the public overall. But for that to happen, a country needs to recognize that the standard bureaucracy that politics always seems to breeds is detrimental to their military and its best to keep it out as much as possible (which many countries have). However, do you believe that if apple were in the business of whatever government dept, well say Medicare, it would be hemorrhaging as much money knowing it’s competing with google for Medicare patients and healthcare providers to use their service? If amazon ran the DMV do you think my drivers license photo would like I was ready to cry tears of rage? Faaack no. Did apple get where they are on their own. No. Did they have some help from government, sure. Was a government loan the driving force of their success, nope. What free markets do is crowd source solutions to humanities problems while rewarding the people who solve those problems. It monetizes service to humanity. After all, why are you going to pay for something that you don’t need or want? Is capatialism a perfect system, hell no. No system is, but it’s the best we have come up with. It’s not fair to capatilism to define it by the areas that is has fallen short of (areas perceived in this current tiny timeframe that’s constantly changing and improving)...but then ignore the tremendous leaps and bounds it has improved human life world wide. Read Enlightenment Now please, by Stephen Pinker, a Harvard psychologist (whose on the left so this isn’t a right wing shill propagandist). It’s absolutely nothing short of a miracle to see how far humanity has come even in the past 20 years. You will be blown away by the stats. Also Better Angels is another good one by him in the same sort of vein. Also, look up Bjorn Lomborg, he has a book (I haven’t read) but has Ted Talks, articles and videos talking about prioritizing the worlds problems and analysis and the best ways to solves them. It’s good stuff, and will show you that these free market things work pretty damn well.
It’s also important to note that the countries the likes of AOC and Bernie cite are not socialists countries. They are free market countries, with larger social programs than we have, and also larger tax rates. Real socialism is what we see in Venezuela (like 5 years ago it was heralded as a admirable success by the far left), and Cuba. Both are hell holes, and hopefully the change of leadership will help Venezuela (once a modern 1st world country with immense resources) get back in its feet. So what do you mean when you’re talking about socialism?
I think you’re simplifying world problems with an equation of government + more money = problems solved. But it’s not that simple, and government, pretty much by nature, is like a hanging flower pot where you turn the hose on full power and drench it, but only see droplets coming out of the bottom. I’m not saying government isn’t capable of any good, or doesn’t have a place. Just that you should honestly question if it is the best vessel for solving problems. Once again, it lost 1 trillion dollars. That’s a full 1/3 of what it takes in annually in tax revenue. 5% of the entire national GDP it carelessly lost in the cushions of the couch within 10 years. Is government really the best way to provide the most good? Is that going to give us the best bang for our buck?
So is the claim in this conversation that the GOP somehow saw or were aware of a left wing take over in these countries, and sabotaged them in covert ways? At what point did they start the sabotage ops? When these people were elected in these countries or after they were elected?My left-wing is France Germany Canada New Zealand Australia. Venezuela Argentina Chile are examples of GOP sabotage in the third world or second world at most. Also Obama and ObamaCare. Anything for money for the rich, super duper dupe.ROFL! What "covert action?" What tariffs did he impost on Venezuela? If socialism is such a superior system, then why does every economic hiccup in the USA wreck it?Is Fox not mention it? Trump is doing it to Venezuela today. Sanctions and tariffs and covert action everywhere, dumbass. Just like Kissinger did with Argentina and chili and everywhere else. Wake up and smell the coffee. They just wanted to elect their own government. And they were not communist. Democratic Socialist and not Chumps for the GOP. Not America, the GOP piece of s***. Read a history book. The GOP has been grabbing money from people around the world since Teddy Roosevelt and McKinley and Hawaii. Military adventures in the Dominican Republic Cuba Mexico El Salvador Honduras and on and on. Under the GOP. Got it dumbass? And now Trump is doing the worst we've done in sometime, or at least trying to.You mean they don't become communists until they manage to establish a dictatorship? Somehow I don't find that claim very compelling.Communists are dictators, these people were all elected. Iran 1953, Argentina Chile and Venezuela any minute. All sabotaged totally by the GOP. See also Honduras El Salvador Guatemala Mexico etcetera etceteraYep, it was a wreck mostly because Allende wrecked it.
Venezuela did not do fine under Chavez. The food problems had already begun. Furthermore, the guy before Chavez was also a communist.
The one thing you can't deny is that under free market capitalism Venezuela flourished. Under socialism, the people starve.
We know it's all America's fault. Isn't everything bad in the world our fault? How did the GOP "sabotage" Chile, Argentina or Venezuela?
And it was the GOP under George W bush that wrecked the world economy in 2008 and made all this stuff worse. It's like the GOP World depression of 1929 that led to chaos and Hitler and Japanese militarists and on and on. Your party is a disgrace and disaster and so are you.
It's a wonder how you leftwing idiots rationalize the repeated failure of your schemes. It's always someone else's fault.
No one is fooled.
Ok please tell me you’re not for Maduro. It really sounds like you are.Sabotaged and sanctioned by the GOP, now Trump pushing in a new president supposedly. It's a GOP mess.Certainly one of the most developed, and the most resource rich in SA. I’m not going to argue semantics here. I’m pretty sure they meet the threshold of 1st world, but they’re much worse off now. Which is the main pointVenezuela was never a first world country, idiot. They were an incredibly corrupt oligarchy. The 1% was first world Maybe.Whoa what is fair share? What is this amorphous, subjective term that keeps getting thrown around? At what point is fair share going to be satisfactory? In the European countries there doesn’t seem to be a satisfactory amount so taxes are constantly raised, or they realize continuously raising taxes does not help at all with job creation and they are moving right. And why is it moral to give money to a institution that LOST 1 trillion dollars since the movie the hangover was made? If that was a charity we were giving our hard earned money too, we’d be burning that bitch to the ground.You should also be willing to ask the question : "What role did government play in the creation of Apple Computers?" Starting with its official corporate charter and extending through decades of taxpayer-funded (government) research and development into revolutionary technologies like the Internet, GPS, and touchscreen display.Yea I’d say government is a very shitty vessel for solving our problems. Individuals on the other hand are very good at it. I’m typing on a device that would’ve been considered a supercomputer in the 90s...and it fits in my palm. It’s tech making the entire globe richer, giving the impoverished worldwide access to the internet where they can participate in things like commerce and education they could not have dreamed of 10 years ago. Made by the same company that took 40 some years to be worth what our government lost track of in 10.
Apple received its early stage finance from the US government's small business Investment Company program. Venture capitalists entered only after government funding had gotten Apple to the critical proof of concept stage.
Considering everything government contributed to Apple's current $1 trillion market cap, it is also shameful that Apple refuses to should its fair share of the federal tax burden, imho.
Taxpayers Helped Apple, but Apple Won’t Help Them
Sure apple didn’t get where they are on their own. And an interesting tidbit is that military innovation is probably the largest driver of innovation and beneficial tech for the public overall. But for that to happen, a country needs to recognize that the standard bureaucracy that politics always seems to breeds is detrimental to their military and its best to keep it out as much as possible (which many countries have). However, do you believe that if apple were in the business of whatever government dept, well say Medicare, it would be hemorrhaging as much money knowing it’s competing with google for Medicare patients and healthcare providers to use their service? If amazon ran the DMV do you think my drivers license photo would like I was ready to cry tears of rage? Faaack no. Did apple get where they are on their own. No. Did they have some help from government, sure. Was a government loan the driving force of their success, nope. What free markets do is crowd source solutions to humanities problems while rewarding the people who solve those problems. It monetizes service to humanity. After all, why are you going to pay for something that you don’t need or want? Is capatialism a perfect system, hell no. No system is, but it’s the best we have come up with. It’s not fair to capatilism to define it by the areas that is has fallen short of (areas perceived in this current tiny timeframe that’s constantly changing and improving)...but then ignore the tremendous leaps and bounds it has improved human life world wide. Read Enlightenment Now please, by Stephen Pinker, a Harvard psychologist (whose on the left so this isn’t a right wing shill propagandist). It’s absolutely nothing short of a miracle to see how far humanity has come even in the past 20 years. You will be blown away by the stats. Also Better Angels is another good one by him in the same sort of vein. Also, look up Bjorn Lomborg, he has a book (I haven’t read) but has Ted Talks, articles and videos talking about prioritizing the worlds problems and analysis and the best ways to solves them. It’s good stuff, and will show you that these free market things work pretty damn well.
It’s also important to note that the countries the likes of AOC and Bernie cite are not socialists countries. They are free market countries, with larger social programs than we have, and also larger tax rates. Real socialism is what we see in Venezuela (like 5 years ago it was heralded as a admirable success by the far left), and Cuba. Both are hell holes, and hopefully the change of leadership will help Venezuela (once a modern 1st world country with immense resources) get back in its feet. So what do you mean when you’re talking about socialism?
I think you’re simplifying world problems with an equation of government + more money = problems solved. But it’s not that simple, and government, pretty much by nature, is like a hanging flower pot where you turn the hose on full power and drench it, but only see droplets coming out of the bottom. I’m not saying government isn’t capable of any good, or doesn’t have a place. Just that you should honestly question if it is the best vessel for solving problems. Once again, it lost 1 trillion dollars. That’s a full 1/3 of what it takes in annually in tax revenue. 5% of the entire national GDP it carelessly lost in the cushions of the couch within 10 years. Is government really the best way to provide the most good? Is that going to give us the best bang for our buck?
Both. Google US sabotage of Venezuela. Or all those other countries and it turns out to be the GOPSo is the claim in this conversation that the GOP somehow saw or were aware of a left wing take over in these countries, and sabotaged them in covert ways? At what point did they start the sabotage ops? When these people were elected in these countries or after they were elected?My left-wing is France Germany Canada New Zealand Australia. Venezuela Argentina Chile are examples of GOP sabotage in the third world or second world at most. Also Obama and ObamaCare. Anything for money for the rich, super duper dupe.ROFL! What "covert action?" What tariffs did he impost on Venezuela? If socialism is such a superior system, then why does every economic hiccup in the USA wreck it?Is Fox not mention it? Trump is doing it to Venezuela today. Sanctions and tariffs and covert action everywhere, dumbass. Just like Kissinger did with Argentina and chili and everywhere else. Wake up and smell the coffee. They just wanted to elect their own government. And they were not communist. Democratic Socialist and not Chumps for the GOP. Not America, the GOP piece of s***. Read a history book. The GOP has been grabbing money from people around the world since Teddy Roosevelt and McKinley and Hawaii. Military adventures in the Dominican Republic Cuba Mexico El Salvador Honduras and on and on. Under the GOP. Got it dumbass? And now Trump is doing the worst we've done in sometime, or at least trying to.You mean they don't become communists until they manage to establish a dictatorship? Somehow I don't find that claim very compelling.Communists are dictators, these people were all elected. Iran 1953, Argentina Chile and Venezuela any minute. All sabotaged totally by the GOP. See also Honduras El Salvador Guatemala Mexico etcetera etcetera
We know it's all America's fault. Isn't everything bad in the world our fault? How did the GOP "sabotage" Chile, Argentina or Venezuela?
And it was the GOP under George W bush that wrecked the world economy in 2008 and made all this stuff worse. It's like the GOP World depression of 1929 that led to chaos and Hitler and Japanese militarists and on and on. Your party is a disgrace and disaster and so are you.
It's a wonder how you leftwing idiots rationalize the repeated failure of your schemes. It's always someone else's fault.
No one is fooled.
I'm against the GOP sabotaging democratically elected governments. Especially since the Cold War has been over for 27 years.Ok please tell me you’re not for Maduro. It really sounds like you are.Sabotaged and sanctioned by the GOP, now Trump pushing in a new president supposedly. It's a GOP mess.Certainly one of the most developed, and the most resource rich in SA. I’m not going to argue semantics here. I’m pretty sure they meet the threshold of 1st world, but they’re much worse off now. Which is the main pointVenezuela was never a first world country, idiot. They were an incredibly corrupt oligarchy. The 1% was first world Maybe.Whoa what is fair share? What is this amorphous, subjective term that keeps getting thrown around? At what point is fair share going to be satisfactory? In the European countries there doesn’t seem to be a satisfactory amount so taxes are constantly raised, or they realize continuously raising taxes does not help at all with job creation and they are moving right. And why is it moral to give money to a institution that LOST 1 trillion dollars since the movie the hangover was made? If that was a charity we were giving our hard earned money too, we’d be burning that bitch to the ground.You should also be willing to ask the question : "What role did government play in the creation of Apple Computers?" Starting with its official corporate charter and extending through decades of taxpayer-funded (government) research and development into revolutionary technologies like the Internet, GPS, and touchscreen display.
Apple received its early stage finance from the US government's small business Investment Company program. Venture capitalists entered only after government funding had gotten Apple to the critical proof of concept stage.
Considering everything government contributed to Apple's current $1 trillion market cap, it is also shameful that Apple refuses to should its fair share of the federal tax burden, imho.
Taxpayers Helped Apple, but Apple Won’t Help Them
Sure apple didn’t get where they are on their own. And an interesting tidbit is that military innovation is probably the largest driver of innovation and beneficial tech for the public overall. But for that to happen, a country needs to recognize that the standard bureaucracy that politics always seems to breeds is detrimental to their military and its best to keep it out as much as possible (which many countries have). However, do you believe that if apple were in the business of whatever government dept, well say Medicare, it would be hemorrhaging as much money knowing it’s competing with google for Medicare patients and healthcare providers to use their service? If amazon ran the DMV do you think my drivers license photo would like I was ready to cry tears of rage? Faaack no. Did apple get where they are on their own. No. Did they have some help from government, sure. Was a government loan the driving force of their success, nope. What free markets do is crowd source solutions to humanities problems while rewarding the people who solve those problems. It monetizes service to humanity. After all, why are you going to pay for something that you don’t need or want? Is capatialism a perfect system, hell no. No system is, but it’s the best we have come up with. It’s not fair to capatilism to define it by the areas that is has fallen short of (areas perceived in this current tiny timeframe that’s constantly changing and improving)...but then ignore the tremendous leaps and bounds it has improved human life world wide. Read Enlightenment Now please, by Stephen Pinker, a Harvard psychologist (whose on the left so this isn’t a right wing shill propagandist). It’s absolutely nothing short of a miracle to see how far humanity has come even in the past 20 years. You will be blown away by the stats. Also Better Angels is another good one by him in the same sort of vein. Also, look up Bjorn Lomborg, he has a book (I haven’t read) but has Ted Talks, articles and videos talking about prioritizing the worlds problems and analysis and the best ways to solves them. It’s good stuff, and will show you that these free market things work pretty damn well.
It’s also important to note that the countries the likes of AOC and Bernie cite are not socialists countries. They are free market countries, with larger social programs than we have, and also larger tax rates. Real socialism is what we see in Venezuela (like 5 years ago it was heralded as a admirable success by the far left), and Cuba. Both are hell holes, and hopefully the change of leadership will help Venezuela (once a modern 1st world country with immense resources) get back in its feet. So what do you mean when you’re talking about socialism?
I think you’re simplifying world problems with an equation of government + more money = problems solved. But it’s not that simple, and government, pretty much by nature, is like a hanging flower pot where you turn the hose on full power and drench it, but only see droplets coming out of the bottom. I’m not saying government isn’t capable of any good, or doesn’t have a place. Just that you should honestly question if it is the best vessel for solving problems. Once again, it lost 1 trillion dollars. That’s a full 1/3 of what it takes in annually in tax revenue. 5% of the entire national GDP it carelessly lost in the cushions of the couch within 10 years. Is government really the best way to provide the most good? Is that going to give us the best bang for our buck?
Capitalism is regulated (i.e., child labor laws, safety rules, discrimination laws, unions, et cetera). Socialism on the other hand, when possible, ends up being Communist and goes amok, even murdering its critics.Capitalism need to be regulated to be fair for the citizens of any nation. Socialism needs to be regulated also for the same reasons.
I mean have you seen the streets of Caracas this week? I’ve never seen so many humans fill the streets...ever, honestly. It hasn’t ever crossed your mind that maybe Maduro wasn’t really democratically elected recently, and he might just be a dictator.I'm against the GOP sabotaging democratically elected governments. Especially since the Cold War has been over for 27 years.Ok please tell me you’re not for Maduro. It really sounds like you are.Sabotaged and sanctioned by the GOP, now Trump pushing in a new president supposedly. It's a GOP mess.Certainly one of the most developed, and the most resource rich in SA. I’m not going to argue semantics here. I’m pretty sure they meet the threshold of 1st world, but they’re much worse off now. Which is the main pointVenezuela was never a first world country, idiot. They were an incredibly corrupt oligarchy. The 1% was first world Maybe.Whoa what is fair share? What is this amorphous, subjective term that keeps getting thrown around? At what point is fair share going to be satisfactory? In the European countries there doesn’t seem to be a satisfactory amount so taxes are constantly raised, or they realize continuously raising taxes does not help at all with job creation and they are moving right. And why is it moral to give money to a institution that LOST 1 trillion dollars since the movie the hangover was made? If that was a charity we were giving our hard earned money too, we’d be burning that bitch to the ground.
Sure apple didn’t get where they are on their own. And an interesting tidbit is that military innovation is probably the largest driver of innovation and beneficial tech for the public overall. But for that to happen, a country needs to recognize that the standard bureaucracy that politics always seems to breeds is detrimental to their military and its best to keep it out as much as possible (which many countries have). However, do you believe that if apple were in the business of whatever government dept, well say Medicare, it would be hemorrhaging as much money knowing it’s competing with google for Medicare patients and healthcare providers to use their service? If amazon ran the DMV do you think my drivers license photo would like I was ready to cry tears of rage? Faaack no. Did apple get where they are on their own. No. Did they have some help from government, sure. Was a government loan the driving force of their success, nope. What free markets do is crowd source solutions to humanities problems while rewarding the people who solve those problems. It monetizes service to humanity. After all, why are you going to pay for something that you don’t need or want? Is capatialism a perfect system, hell no. No system is, but it’s the best we have come up with. It’s not fair to capatilism to define it by the areas that is has fallen short of (areas perceived in this current tiny timeframe that’s constantly changing and improving)...but then ignore the tremendous leaps and bounds it has improved human life world wide. Read Enlightenment Now please, by Stephen Pinker, a Harvard psychologist (whose on the left so this isn’t a right wing shill propagandist). It’s absolutely nothing short of a miracle to see how far humanity has come even in the past 20 years. You will be blown away by the stats. Also Better Angels is another good one by him in the same sort of vein. Also, look up Bjorn Lomborg, he has a book (I haven’t read) but has Ted Talks, articles and videos talking about prioritizing the worlds problems and analysis and the best ways to solves them. It’s good stuff, and will show you that these free market things work pretty damn well.
It’s also important to note that the countries the likes of AOC and Bernie cite are not socialists countries. They are free market countries, with larger social programs than we have, and also larger tax rates. Real socialism is what we see in Venezuela (like 5 years ago it was heralded as a admirable success by the far left), and Cuba. Both are hell holes, and hopefully the change of leadership will help Venezuela (once a modern 1st world country with immense resources) get back in its feet. So what do you mean when you’re talking about socialism?
I think you’re simplifying world problems with an equation of government + more money = problems solved. But it’s not that simple, and government, pretty much by nature, is like a hanging flower pot where you turn the hose on full power and drench it, but only see droplets coming out of the bottom. I’m not saying government isn’t capable of any good, or doesn’t have a place. Just that you should honestly question if it is the best vessel for solving problems. Once again, it lost 1 trillion dollars. That’s a full 1/3 of what it takes in annually in tax revenue. 5% of the entire national GDP it carelessly lost in the cushions of the couch within 10 years. Is government really the best way to provide the most good? Is that going to give us the best bang for our buck?
We should leave other countries alone, as only Republicans can't do that. They're a catastrophe. The GOP screwed up the world's economy in 2008 and Trump has been screwing with Venezuela's since he got in. And the Venezuelan oligarchy are complete assholes. let democracy reign.I mean have you seen the streets of Caracas this week? I’ve never seen so many humans fill the streets...ever, honestly. It hasn’t ever crossed your mind that maybe Maduro wasn’t really democratically elected recently, and he might just be a dictator.I'm against the GOP sabotaging democratically elected governments. Especially since the Cold War has been over for 27 years.Ok please tell me you’re not for Maduro. It really sounds like you are.Sabotaged and sanctioned by the GOP, now Trump pushing in a new president supposedly. It's a GOP mess.Certainly one of the most developed, and the most resource rich in SA. I’m not going to argue semantics here. I’m pretty sure they meet the threshold of 1st world, but they’re much worse off now. Which is the main pointVenezuela was never a first world country, idiot. They were an incredibly corrupt oligarchy. The 1% was first world Maybe.
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So because Maduro was “elected” must mean he’s a good guy? And that the new opposition leader is bad...because trump backs him?
Oooorrrr. Maybe socialism is as socialism does. Maybe it’s starts out with the best of intentions (a skeptical maybe), but it winds up sucking. And some guy promises to make it stop sucking. It still sucks, so more socialism, and more suck. Fast forward a little bit and a few hundred uppity citizens get gunned down ironically by the “national guard”. The citizens back off, and then realize the guy who took over is a tyrant but can’t do shit about it, and more suck comes and they start having to eat their pets.
Really, just let me hear you say Maduro is good for Venezuela. No more dancing around it. Is Maduro good or bad for Venezuela? You most certainly didn’t deny it. Stick to your guns, and just say it. The left has made movies and named streets after the how awesome socialist Venezuela is just a mere 5 years ago. You got to stick to your guns.
Screw Republicans and screw oligarchs, especially Venezuelan ones. Hands off Venezuela.I mean have you seen the streets of Caracas this week? I’ve never seen so many humans fill the streets...ever, honestly. It hasn’t ever crossed your mind that maybe Maduro wasn’t really democratically elected recently, and he might just be a dictator.I'm against the GOP sabotaging democratically elected governments. Especially since the Cold War has been over for 27 years.Ok please tell me you’re not for Maduro. It really sounds like you are.Sabotaged and sanctioned by the GOP, now Trump pushing in a new president supposedly. It's a GOP mess.Certainly one of the most developed, and the most resource rich in SA. I’m not going to argue semantics here. I’m pretty sure they meet the threshold of 1st world, but they’re much worse off now. Which is the main pointVenezuela was never a first world country, idiot. They were an incredibly corrupt oligarchy. The 1% was first world Maybe.
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So because Maduro was “elected” must mean he’s a good guy? And that the new opposition leader is bad...because trump backs him?
Oooorrrr. Maybe socialism is as socialism does. Maybe it’s starts out with the best of intentions (a skeptical maybe), but it winds up sucking. And some guy promises to make it stop sucking. It still sucks, so more socialism, and more suck. Fast forward a little bit and a few hundred uppity citizens get gunned down ironically by the “national guard”. The citizens back off, and then realize the guy who took over is a tyrant but can’t do shit about it, and more suck comes and they start having to eat their pets.
Really, just let me hear you say Maduro is good for Venezuela. No more dancing around it. Is Maduro good or bad for Venezuela? You most certainly didn’t deny it. Stick to your guns, and just say it. The left has made movies and named streets after the how awesome socialist Venezuela is just a mere 5 years ago. You got to stick to your guns.
Nope no no no. Is Maduro good or bad? Simple question that you are clearly dodging. If you honestly don’t know, then maybe you shouldn’t be involved in this conversation. Unfortunately for you the GOP had nothing to do with Chavez or Maduro (Maduro being Chavez’s successor). So these guys are the examples your theory has to stand on. Unless you’re arguing from an unfasifiable hypothesis, which just means it’s a BS hypothesis.Who knows? That's been screwed up so bad by the GOP World depression of 2008 and Trump's sabotage, who knows? How about leaving other countries alone?
We should leave other countries alone, as only Republicans can't do that. They're a catastrophe. The GOP screwed up the world's economy in 2008 and Trump has been screwing with Venezuela's since he got in. And the Venezuelan oligarchy are complete assholes. let democracy reign.I mean have you seen the streets of Caracas this week? I’ve never seen so many humans fill the streets...ever, honestly. It hasn’t ever crossed your mind that maybe Maduro wasn’t really democratically elected recently, and he might just be a dictator.I'm against the GOP sabotaging democratically elected governments. Especially since the Cold War has been over for 27 years.Ok please tell me you’re not for Maduro. It really sounds like you are.Sabotaged and sanctioned by the GOP, now Trump pushing in a new president supposedly. It's a GOP mess.Certainly one of the most developed, and the most resource rich in SA. I’m not going to argue semantics here. I’m pretty sure they meet the threshold of 1st world, but they’re much worse off now. Which is the main point
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So because Maduro was “elected” must mean he’s a good guy? And that the new opposition leader is bad...because trump backs him?
Oooorrrr. Maybe socialism is as socialism does. Maybe it’s starts out with the best of intentions (a skeptical maybe), but it winds up sucking. And some guy promises to make it stop sucking. It still sucks, so more socialism, and more suck. Fast forward a little bit and a few hundred uppity citizens get gunned down ironically by the “national guard”. The citizens back off, and then realize the guy who took over is a tyrant but can’t do shit about it, and more suck comes and they start having to eat their pets.
Really, just let me hear you say Maduro is good for Venezuela. No more dancing around it. Is Maduro good or bad for Venezuela? You most certainly didn’t deny it. Stick to your guns, and just say it. The left has made movies and named streets after the how awesome socialist Venezuela is just a mere 5 years ago. You got to stick to your guns.
They were both a couple of fucking commies, moron, especially Allende. He had thousands of Cuban thugs working for him.Democratic socialists, brainwashed functional moron.The people who stage communist coups were communists since they were in their 20s. Allende and Chavez were both a couple of commies. That "minority" is always a bunch of die-hard commies.the government doesn't become communist until there's a revolution at least in every case they've ever gone communist. Has to be put in by violence by minority.You mean they don't become communists until they manage to establish a dictatorship? Somehow I don't find that claim very compelling.Communists are dictators, these people were all elected. Iran 1953, Argentina Chile and Venezuela any minute. All sabotaged totally by the GOP. See also Honduras El Salvador Guatemala Mexico etcetera etceteraYep, it was a wreck mostly because Allende wrecked it.
Venezuela did not do fine under Chavez. The food problems had already begun. Furthermore, the guy before Chavez was also a communist.
The one thing you can't deny is that under free market capitalism Venezuela flourished. Under socialism, the people starve.
We know it's all America's fault. Isn't everything bad in the world our fault? How did the GOP "sabotage" Chile, Argentina or Venezuela?
New Zealand is ranked #3 on the Heritage Index of Economic Freedom. The US is ranked #18. New Zealand is hardly socialist. You have absolutely no clue what socialism is.Screw Republicans and screw oligarchs, especially Venezuelan ones. Hands off Venezuela.I mean have you seen the streets of Caracas this week? I’ve never seen so many humans fill the streets...ever, honestly. It hasn’t ever crossed your mind that maybe Maduro wasn’t really democratically elected recently, and he might just be a dictator.I'm against the GOP sabotaging democratically elected governments. Especially since the Cold War has been over for 27 years.Ok please tell me you’re not for Maduro. It really sounds like you are.Sabotaged and sanctioned by the GOP, now Trump pushing in a new president supposedly. It's a GOP mess.Certainly one of the most developed, and the most resource rich in SA. I’m not going to argue semantics here. I’m pretty sure they meet the threshold of 1st world, but they’re much worse off now. Which is the main point
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So because Maduro was “elected” must mean he’s a good guy? And that the new opposition leader is bad...because trump backs him?
Oooorrrr. Maybe socialism is as socialism does. Maybe it’s starts out with the best of intentions (a skeptical maybe), but it winds up sucking. And some guy promises to make it stop sucking. It still sucks, so more socialism, and more suck. Fast forward a little bit and a few hundred uppity citizens get gunned down ironically by the “national guard”. The citizens back off, and then realize the guy who took over is a tyrant but can’t do shit about it, and more suck comes and they start having to eat their pets.
Really, just let me hear you say Maduro is good for Venezuela. No more dancing around it. Is Maduro good or bad for Venezuela? You most certainly didn’t deny it. Stick to your guns, and just say it. The left has made movies and named streets after the how awesome socialist Venezuela is just a mere 5 years ago. You got to stick to your guns.
And it has very little to do with socialism, which is what they have in France New Zealand etc. Venezuela has always been a third world mess of a country and still is. Trump should come home like he always says he is
It didn't cost anything, moron. Obama's "stimulus" was a huge boondoggle that only delayed our recovery. If that wiped out Venezuela but didn't wipe out us, then how can you claim Venezuela is the superior system?2008 was a hiccup? Brainwashed functional moron. it cost trillions to avert a full-scale depression. And a lot of places didn't have the money.ROFL! What "covert action?" What tariffs did he impost on Venezuela? If socialism is such a superior system, then why does every economic hiccup in the USA wreck it?Is Fox not mention it? Trump is doing it to Venezuela today. Sanctions and tariffs and covert action everywhere, dumbass. Just like Kissinger did with Argentina and chili and everywhere else. Wake up and smell the coffee. They just wanted to elect their own government. And they were not communist. Democratic Socialist and not Chumps for the GOP. Not America, the GOP piece of s***. Read a history book. The GOP has been grabbing money from people around the world since Teddy Roosevelt and McKinley and Hawaii. Military adventures in the Dominican Republic Cuba Mexico El Salvador Honduras and on and on. Under the GOP. Got it dumbass? And now Trump is doing the worst we've done in sometime, or at least trying to.You mean they don't become communists until they manage to establish a dictatorship? Somehow I don't find that claim very compelling.Communists are dictators, these people were all elected. Iran 1953, Argentina Chile and Venezuela any minute. All sabotaged totally by the GOP. See also Honduras El Salvador Guatemala Mexico etcetera etceteraYep, it was a wreck mostly because Allende wrecked it.
Venezuela did not do fine under Chavez. The food problems had already begun. Furthermore, the guy before Chavez was also a communist.
The one thing you can't deny is that under free market capitalism Venezuela flourished. Under socialism, the people starve.
We know it's all America's fault. Isn't everything bad in the world our fault? How did the GOP "sabotage" Chile, Argentina or Venezuela?
And it was the GOP under George W bush that wrecked the world economy in 2008 and made all this stuff worse. It's like the GOP World depression of 1929 that led to chaos and Hitler and Japanese militarists and on and on. Your party is a disgrace and disaster and so are you.
It's a wonder how you leftwing idiots rationalize the repeated failure of your schemes. It's always someone else's fault.
No one is fooled.
Google it I'm not your mother, or try watching some real news.
No, they are examples of countries that actually put into practice the policies you endorse. They were, or are, swirling down the socialist toilet bowel. You failed to explain how the US "sabotaged" them.My left-wing is France Germany Canada New Zealand Australia. Venezuela Argentina Chile are examples of GOP sabotage in the third world or second world at most. Also Obama and ObamaCare. Anything for money for the rich, super duper dupe.ROFL! What "covert action?" What tariffs did he impost on Venezuela? If socialism is such a superior system, then why does every economic hiccup in the USA wreck it?Is Fox not mention it? Trump is doing it to Venezuela today. Sanctions and tariffs and covert action everywhere, dumbass. Just like Kissinger did with Argentina and chili and everywhere else. Wake up and smell the coffee. They just wanted to elect their own government. And they were not communist. Democratic Socialist and not Chumps for the GOP. Not America, the GOP piece of s***. Read a history book. The GOP has been grabbing money from people around the world since Teddy Roosevelt and McKinley and Hawaii. Military adventures in the Dominican Republic Cuba Mexico El Salvador Honduras and on and on. Under the GOP. Got it dumbass? And now Trump is doing the worst we've done in sometime, or at least trying to.You mean they don't become communists until they manage to establish a dictatorship? Somehow I don't find that claim very compelling.Communists are dictators, these people were all elected. Iran 1953, Argentina Chile and Venezuela any minute. All sabotaged totally by the GOP. See also Honduras El Salvador Guatemala Mexico etcetera etceteraYep, it was a wreck mostly because Allende wrecked it.
Venezuela did not do fine under Chavez. The food problems had already begun. Furthermore, the guy before Chavez was also a communist.
The one thing you can't deny is that under free market capitalism Venezuela flourished. Under socialism, the people starve.
We know it's all America's fault. Isn't everything bad in the world our fault? How did the GOP "sabotage" Chile, Argentina or Venezuela?
And it was the GOP under George W bush that wrecked the world economy in 2008 and made all this stuff worse. It's like the GOP World depression of 1929 that led to chaos and Hitler and Japanese militarists and on and on. Your party is a disgrace and disaster and so are you.
It's a wonder how you leftwing idiots rationalize the repeated failure of your schemes. It's always someone else's fault.
No one is fooled.
How, asshole? You keep avoiding an answer to that question.Sabotaged and sanctioned by the GOP, now Trump pushing in a new president supposedly. It's a GOP mess.Certainly one of the most developed, and the most resource rich in SA. I’m not going to argue semantics here. I’m pretty sure they meet the threshold of 1st world, but they’re much worse off now. Which is the main pointVenezuela was never a first world country, idiot. They were an incredibly corrupt oligarchy. The 1% was first world Maybe.Whoa what is fair share? What is this amorphous, subjective term that keeps getting thrown around? At what point is fair share going to be satisfactory? In the European countries there doesn’t seem to be a satisfactory amount so taxes are constantly raised, or they realize continuously raising taxes does not help at all with job creation and they are moving right. And why is it moral to give money to a institution that LOST 1 trillion dollars since the movie the hangover was made? If that was a charity we were giving our hard earned money too, we’d be burning that bitch to the ground.You should also be willing to ask the question : "What role did government play in the creation of Apple Computers?" Starting with its official corporate charter and extending through decades of taxpayer-funded (government) research and development into revolutionary technologies like the Internet, GPS, and touchscreen display.Yea I’d say government is a very shitty vessel for solving our problems. Individuals on the other hand are very good at it. I’m typing on a device that would’ve been considered a supercomputer in the 90s...and it fits in my palm. It’s tech making the entire globe richer, giving the impoverished worldwide access to the internet where they can participate in things like commerce and education they could not have dreamed of 10 years ago. Made by the same company that took 40 some years to be worth what our government lost track of in 10.
Apple received its early stage finance from the US government's small business Investment Company program. Venture capitalists entered only after government funding had gotten Apple to the critical proof of concept stage.
Considering everything government contributed to Apple's current $1 trillion market cap, it is also shameful that Apple refuses to should its fair share of the federal tax burden, imho.
Taxpayers Helped Apple, but Apple Won’t Help Them
Sure apple didn’t get where they are on their own. And an interesting tidbit is that military innovation is probably the largest driver of innovation and beneficial tech for the public overall. But for that to happen, a country needs to recognize that the standard bureaucracy that politics always seems to breeds is detrimental to their military and its best to keep it out as much as possible (which many countries have). However, do you believe that if apple were in the business of whatever government dept, well say Medicare, it would be hemorrhaging as much money knowing it’s competing with google for Medicare patients and healthcare providers to use their service? If amazon ran the DMV do you think my drivers license photo would like I was ready to cry tears of rage? Faaack no. Did apple get where they are on their own. No. Did they have some help from government, sure. Was a government loan the driving force of their success, nope. What free markets do is crowd source solutions to humanities problems while rewarding the people who solve those problems. It monetizes service to humanity. After all, why are you going to pay for something that you don’t need or want? Is capatialism a perfect system, hell no. No system is, but it’s the best we have come up with. It’s not fair to capatilism to define it by the areas that is has fallen short of (areas perceived in this current tiny timeframe that’s constantly changing and improving)...but then ignore the tremendous leaps and bounds it has improved human life world wide. Read Enlightenment Now please, by Stephen Pinker, a Harvard psychologist (whose on the left so this isn’t a right wing shill propagandist). It’s absolutely nothing short of a miracle to see how far humanity has come even in the past 20 years. You will be blown away by the stats. Also Better Angels is another good one by him in the same sort of vein. Also, look up Bjorn Lomborg, he has a book (I haven’t read) but has Ted Talks, articles and videos talking about prioritizing the worlds problems and analysis and the best ways to solves them. It’s good stuff, and will show you that these free market things work pretty damn well.
It’s also important to note that the countries the likes of AOC and Bernie cite are not socialists countries. They are free market countries, with larger social programs than we have, and also larger tax rates. Real socialism is what we see in Venezuela (like 5 years ago it was heralded as a admirable success by the far left), and Cuba. Both are hell holes, and hopefully the change of leadership will help Venezuela (once a modern 1st world country with immense resources) get back in its feet. So what do you mean when you’re talking about socialism?
I think you’re simplifying world problems with an equation of government + more money = problems solved. But it’s not that simple, and government, pretty much by nature, is like a hanging flower pot where you turn the hose on full power and drench it, but only see droplets coming out of the bottom. I’m not saying government isn’t capable of any good, or doesn’t have a place. Just that you should honestly question if it is the best vessel for solving problems. Once again, it lost 1 trillion dollars. That’s a full 1/3 of what it takes in annually in tax revenue. 5% of the entire national GDP it carelessly lost in the cushions of the couch within 10 years. Is government really the best way to provide the most good? Is that going to give us the best bang for our buck?
How does that explain why it's the GOP's fault?Time for you to watch PBS and learn about dictatorships Tama Manley about Mussolini tonight.How was it the GOP's fault, asshole?The gop's fault dumbass, not America every time.You mean they don't become communists until they manage to establish a dictatorship? Somehow I don't find that claim very compelling.Communists are dictators, these people were all elected. Iran 1953, Argentina Chile and Venezuela any minute. All sabotaged totally by the GOP. See also Honduras El Salvador Guatemala Mexico etcetera etceteraYep, it was a wreck mostly because Allende wrecked it.
Venezuela did not do fine under Chavez. The food problems had already begun. Furthermore, the guy before Chavez was also a communist.
The one thing you can't deny is that under free market capitalism Venezuela flourished. Under socialism, the people starve.
We know it's all America's fault. Isn't everything bad in the world our fault? How did the GOP "sabotage" Chile, Argentina or Venezuela?
