Who's Afraid of Socialism?

[bripat9643]

Who's your top pick for economic's expert?

Milton Friedman is pretty good.

I thought you were a believer in free markets? The first thing the Chicago School did in Chile was close down every economics department in the country except for their chosen seminary at the Catholic University. They began an assassination program of left-wing professors, labor leaders and politicians and imposed neoliberalism by gunpoint. Apparently, Friedman's "free markets" require totalitarian control?

"They began an assassination program of left-wing professors, labor leaders and politicians and imposed neoliberalism by gunpoint."

Horseshit. Have got any credible sources to support that?

As if you care:

Human rights violations in Pinochet's Chile - Wikipedia

"Human rights violations in Pinochet's Chile were the crimes against humanity, persecution of opponents, political repression and state terrorism committed by the Chilean Armed Forces, members of Carabineros de Chile and civil repressive agents members of a secret police, during the dictatorship of Augusto Pinochet in Chile from September 11, 1973, until March 11, 1990.

"According to the Commission of Truth and Reconciliation (Rettig Commission) and the National Commission on Political Imprisonment and Torture (Valech Commission), the number of direct victims of human rights violations in Chile accounts for around 30,000 people: 27,255 tortured and 2,279 executed.

"In addition, some 200,000 people suffered exile and an unknown number went through clandestine centers and illegal detention.[citation needed]"

the number of direct victims of human rights violations in Chile accounts for around 30,000 people: 27,255 tortured and 2,279 executed.

Bunch of capitalist pikers. Commies would have added a couple of zeros to those totals.

It's all bullshit. The numbers is based purely on people self reporting. There is no independent verification.

 

[bripat9643]

Totalitarian means it is not democratic. or coming from the Democratic party either.

Sadly, that's not true. People can vote for astonishingly evil things.

They voted Hitler into office.

No they did not he only got 33% of the vote or something but more than anyone else. And Hindenburg appointed him Chancellor big mistake. As usual you have no clue you dupes...

Hindenburg had to appoint him to something because his party got the most votes in the election. That's how the German government worked.

Yes, the democratic result what a big mistake. Thanks for admitting it.

Hindenburg got 53% of the vote Hitler 37% in the presidential election. The Nazis got 36.3% in the following legislature elections. Hindenburg appointed him and he didn't need to...

Many thanks to the GOP for Wrecking the world economy again and setting up the chaos that led to Hitler and the Japanese militarists. Great job scumbag GOP and silly dupes like you. Thank God this time Democrats got in fast to avert another mess like this. Only cost about 8 trillion dollars. The EU also spent about that much, but the rest of the world just suffered. See Africa the Middle East and South America if you're wondering where all the refugees and pain is.

Hindenburg has to appoint someone, and the leader of the party with the most representatives in the legislature is a logical choice. That's their Democrat process. His selection was just as democratic as Nazi Piglosi's to be the leader of the House.

 

[Lakhota]

 

[bripat9643]

Milton Friedman is pretty good.

I thought you were a believer in free markets? The first thing the Chicago School did in Chile was close down every economics department in the country except for their chosen seminary at the Catholic University. They began an assassination program of left-wing professors, labor leaders and politicians and imposed neoliberalism by gunpoint. Apparently, Friedman's "free markets" require totalitarian control?

"They began an assassination program of left-wing professors, labor leaders and politicians and imposed neoliberalism by gunpoint."

Horseshit. Have got any credible sources to support that?

As if you care:

Human rights violations in Pinochet's Chile - Wikipedia

"Human rights violations in Pinochet's Chile were the crimes against humanity, persecution of opponents, political repression and state terrorism committed by the Chilean Armed Forces, members of Carabineros de Chile and civil repressive agents members of a secret police, during the dictatorship of Augusto Pinochet in Chile from September 11, 1973, until March 11, 1990.

"According to the Commission of Truth and Reconciliation (Rettig Commission) and the National Commission on Political Imprisonment and Torture (Valech Commission), the number of direct victims of human rights violations in Chile accounts for around 30,000 people: 27,255 tortured and 2,279 executed.

"In addition, some 200,000 people suffered exile and an unknown number went through clandestine centers and illegal detention.[citation needed]"

You do realize that socialists murdered millions on millions, right? That doesn't mean that Pinochet wasn't committing crimes. Surely he was.

But if you think that this makes the case the left-wingers have been better on human rights.... you are beyond uninformed, you are a blithering idiot.

The Socialists in Chile? You are out of your tiny little mind. Like real socialist and not Communists, they were Democrats and mainly involved in social reform... Another brilliant effort by covert Republicans, just like wrecking Iran in 1953 and Central America multiple times. Stupid jackasses forever..

Allende was a fucking commie, moron. He was turning Chile onto a Stalinist state. Pinochet, backed by the US and Britain, led the subsequent war against marxist terrorists. All urban wars are dirty and bloody. Look at Northern Ireland, Israel’s war against Palestinians, or Algeria.

Marxist urban rebels tried to overthrow Chile’s government, using bombings, assassinations, kidnapping and guerrilla assaults. Chile, and neighboring Argentina, suffered a reign of terror and faced near anarchy as communist guerillas attempted, in their own words, to ‘destroy the capitalist state. ‘

Chilean and Argentine security forces were ordered to fight an all-out war against the communist rebels. Terror against terror. In the process, some innocent people were arrested, tortured or disappeared. But most victims were not innocents. They were mainly marxist guerillas and terrorists,or part of the marxist support network, that included students, and marxist clergy and nuns.

A relentless war was waged against Pinochet and the Chilean people during the years, 1973-1990. Bill Jasper points out that in 1984 alone, there were 735 terrorist bombings with responsibility clamed by the Manuel Rodriguez Patriotic Front (MRPF) the Communist cadre supported by Cuba, Nicaragua, Libya, East Germany, and the Soviet Union. On Sept. 7, 1986, Pinochet and his 10-year-old grandson narrowly escaped an ambush by Communists armed with automatic rifles, rocket launchers, bazookas, and grenades. Many terrorists and their supporters were killed in this war of attrition both by Pinochet’s forces and by civilians seeking vengeance and. given the situation, many of their bodies went unidentified. Jasper states that “we have seen no evidence to sustain the charges that Pinochet ordered, knew of, or approved of, any plan for the use of murder or torture against his political opponents”.

Then the leftwing media in this country cried about how they were innocent and being murdered. It's not murder when you're shooting at government troops.

 

[sakinago]

Yea I’d say government is a very shitty vessel for solving our problems. Individuals on the other hand are very good at it. I’m typing on a device that would’ve been considered a supercomputer in the 90s...and it fits in my palm. It’s tech making the entire globe richer, giving the impoverished worldwide access to the internet where they can participate in things like commerce and education they could not have dreamed of 10 years ago. Made by the same company that took 40 some years to be worth what our government lost track of in 10.

You should also be willing to ask the question : "What role did government play in the creation of Apple Computers?" Starting with its official corporate charter and extending through decades of taxpayer-funded (government) research and development into revolutionary technologies like the Internet, GPS, and touchscreen display.

Apple received its early stage finance from the US government's small business Investment Company program. Venture capitalists entered only after government funding had gotten Apple to the critical proof of concept stage.

Considering everything government contributed to Apple's current $1 trillion market cap, it is also shameful that Apple refuses to should its fair share of the federal tax burden, imho.

Taxpayers Helped Apple, but Apple Won’t Help Them

Whoa what is fair share? What is this amorphous, subjective term that keeps getting thrown around? At what point is fair share going to be satisfactory? In the European countries there doesn’t seem to be a satisfactory amount so taxes are constantly raised, or they realize continuously raising taxes does not help at all with job creation and they are moving right. And why is it moral to give money to a institution that LOST 1 trillion dollars since the movie the hangover was made? If that was a charity we were giving our hard earned money too, we’d be burning that bitch to the ground.

Sure apple didn’t get where they are on their own. And an interesting tidbit is that military innovation is probably the largest driver of innovation and beneficial tech for the public overall. But for that to happen, a country needs to recognize that the standard bureaucracy that politics always seems to breeds is detrimental to their military and its best to keep it out as much as possible (which many countries have). However, do you believe that if apple were in the business of whatever government dept, well say Medicare, it would be hemorrhaging as much money knowing it’s competing with google for Medicare patients and healthcare providers to use their service? If amazon ran the DMV do you think my drivers license photo would like I was ready to cry tears of rage? Faaack no. Did apple get where they are on their own. No. Did they have some help from government, sure. Was a government loan the driving force of their success, nope. What free markets do is crowd source solutions to humanities problems while rewarding the people who solve those problems. It monetizes service to humanity. After all, why are you going to pay for something that you don’t need or want? Is capatialism a perfect system, hell no. No system is, but it’s the best we have come up with. It’s not fair to capatilism to define it by the areas that is has fallen short of (areas perceived in this current tiny timeframe that’s constantly changing and improving)...but then ignore the tremendous leaps and bounds it has improved human life world wide. Read Enlightenment Now please, by Stephen Pinker, a Harvard psychologist (whose on the left so this isn’t a right wing shill propagandist). It’s absolutely nothing short of a miracle to see how far humanity has come even in the past 20 years. You will be blown away by the stats. Also Better Angels is another good one by him in the same sort of vein. Also, look up Bjorn Lomborg, he has a book (I haven’t read) but has Ted Talks, articles and videos talking about prioritizing the worlds problems and analysis and the best ways to solves them. It’s good stuff, and will show you that these free market things work pretty damn well.

It’s also important to note that the countries the likes of AOC and Bernie cite are not socialists countries. They are free market countries, with larger social programs than we have, and also larger tax rates. Real socialism is what we see in Venezuela (like 5 years ago it was heralded as a admirable success by the far left), and Cuba. Both are hell holes, and hopefully the change of leadership will help Venezuela (once a modern 1st world country with immense resources) get back in its feet. So what do you mean when you’re talking about socialism?

I think you’re simplifying world problems with an equation of government + more money = problems solved. But it’s not that simple, and government, pretty much by nature, is like a hanging flower pot where you turn the hose on full power and drench it, but only see droplets coming out of the bottom. I’m not saying government isn’t capable of any good, or doesn’t have a place. Just that you should honestly question if it is the best vessel for solving problems. Once again, it lost 1 trillion dollars. That’s a full 1/3 of what it takes in annually in tax revenue. 5% of the entire national GDP it carelessly lost in the cushions of the couch within 10 years. Is government really the best way to provide the most good? Is that going to give us the best bang for our buck?

 

[22lcidw]

Totalitarian means it is not democratic. or coming from the Democratic party either.

Sadly, that's not true. People can vote for astonishingly evil things.

They voted Hitler into office.

No they did not he only got 33% of the vote or something but more than anyone else. And Hindenburg appointed him Chancellor big mistake. As usual you have no clue you dupes...

Hindenburg had to appoint him to something because his party got the most votes in the election. That's how the German government worked.

Yes, the democratic result what a big mistake. Thanks for admitting it.

Hindenburg got 53% of the vote Hitler 37% in the presidential election. The Nazis got 36.3% in the following legislature elections. Hindenburg appointed him and he didn't need to...

Many thanks to the GOP for Wrecking the world economy again and setting up the chaos that led to Hitler and the Japanese militarists. Great job scumbag GOP and silly dupes like you. Thank God this time Democrats got in fast to avert another mess like this. Only cost about 8 trillion dollars. The EU also spent about that much, but the rest of the world just suffered. See Africa the Middle East and South America if you're wondering where all the refugees and pain is.

The Federal Reserve wrecked the world economy by tightening the money supply like an emergency stop in the American system after free money that bought us the Roaring 20's. And that was after Germany was dragged through the grinder for World War 1 you progressive socialist shill. Germans are a smart people. The globalists had their hand in their nation and the Russians under communism.

 

[francoHFW]

I thought you were a believer in free markets? The first thing the Chicago School did in Chile was close down every economics department in the country except for their chosen seminary at the Catholic University. They began an assassination program of left-wing professors, labor leaders and politicians and imposed neoliberalism by gunpoint. Apparently, Friedman's "free markets" require totalitarian control?

"They began an assassination program of left-wing professors, labor leaders and politicians and imposed neoliberalism by gunpoint."

Horseshit. Have got any credible sources to support that?

As if you care:

Human rights violations in Pinochet's Chile - Wikipedia

"Human rights violations in Pinochet's Chile were the crimes against humanity, persecution of opponents, political repression and state terrorism committed by the Chilean Armed Forces, members of Carabineros de Chile and civil repressive agents members of a secret police, during the dictatorship of Augusto Pinochet in Chile from September 11, 1973, until March 11, 1990.

"According to the Commission of Truth and Reconciliation (Rettig Commission) and the National Commission on Political Imprisonment and Torture (Valech Commission), the number of direct victims of human rights violations in Chile accounts for around 30,000 people: 27,255 tortured and 2,279 executed.

"In addition, some 200,000 people suffered exile and an unknown number went through clandestine centers and illegal detention.[citation needed]"

You do realize that socialists murdered millions on millions, right? That doesn't mean that Pinochet wasn't committing crimes. Surely he was.

But if you think that this makes the case the left-wingers have been better on human rights.... you are beyond uninformed, you are a blithering idiot.

The Socialists in Chile? You are out of your tiny little mind. Like real socialist and not Communists, they were Democrats and mainly involved in social reform... Another brilliant effort by covert Republicans, just like wrecking Iran in 1953 and Central America multiple times. Stupid jackasses forever..

Allende was a fucking commie, moron. He was turning Chile onto a Stalinist state. Pinochet, backed by the US and Britain, led the subsequent war against marxist terrorists. All urban wars are dirty and bloody. Look at Northern Ireland, Israel’s war against Palestinians, or Algeria.

Marxist urban rebels tried to overthrow Chile’s government, using bombings, assassinations, kidnapping and guerrilla assaults. Chile, and neighboring Argentina, suffered a reign of terror and faced near anarchy as communist guerillas attempted, in their own words, to ‘destroy the capitalist state. ‘

Chilean and Argentine security forces were ordered to fight an all-out war against the communist rebels. Terror against terror. In the process, some innocent people were arrested, tortured or disappeared. But most victims were not innocents. They were mainly marxist guerillas and terrorists,or part of the marxist support network, that included students, and marxist clergy and nuns.

A relentless war was waged against Pinochet and the Chilean people during the years, 1973-1990. Bill Jasper points out that in 1984 alone, there were 735 terrorist bombings with responsibility clamed by the Manuel Rodriguez Patriotic Front (MRPF) the Communist cadre supported by Cuba, Nicaragua, Libya, East Germany, and the Soviet Union. On Sept. 7, 1986, Pinochet and his 10-year-old grandson narrowly escaped an ambush by Communists armed with automatic rifles, rocket launchers, bazookas, and grenades. Many terrorists and their supporters were killed in this war of attrition both by Pinochet’s forces and by civilians seeking vengeance and. given the situation, many of their bodies went unidentified. Jasper states that “we have seen no evidence to sustain the charges that Pinochet ordered, knew of, or approved of, any plan for the use of murder or torture against his political opponents”.

Then the leftwing media in this country cried about how they were innocent and being murdered. It's not murder when you're shooting at government troops.

Let's have a link to all that violence Allende caused, you incredibly brainwashed moron....

 

[anynameyouwish]

No thanks. One need not look any further than europe to see what a travesty it is.

yes.....all those happy scandinavian countries......makes me sick.....

 

[bripat9643]

"They began an assassination program of left-wing professors, labor leaders and politicians and imposed neoliberalism by gunpoint."

Horseshit. Have got any credible sources to support that?

As if you care:

Human rights violations in Pinochet's Chile - Wikipedia

"Human rights violations in Pinochet's Chile were the crimes against humanity, persecution of opponents, political repression and state terrorism committed by the Chilean Armed Forces, members of Carabineros de Chile and civil repressive agents members of a secret police, during the dictatorship of Augusto Pinochet in Chile from September 11, 1973, until March 11, 1990.

"According to the Commission of Truth and Reconciliation (Rettig Commission) and the National Commission on Political Imprisonment and Torture (Valech Commission), the number of direct victims of human rights violations in Chile accounts for around 30,000 people: 27,255 tortured and 2,279 executed.

"In addition, some 200,000 people suffered exile and an unknown number went through clandestine centers and illegal detention.[citation needed]"

You do realize that socialists murdered millions on millions, right? That doesn't mean that Pinochet wasn't committing crimes. Surely he was.

But if you think that this makes the case the left-wingers have been better on human rights.... you are beyond uninformed, you are a blithering idiot.

The Socialists in Chile? You are out of your tiny little mind. Like real socialist and not Communists, they were Democrats and mainly involved in social reform... Another brilliant effort by covert Republicans, just like wrecking Iran in 1953 and Central America multiple times. Stupid jackasses forever..

Allende was a fucking commie, moron. He was turning Chile onto a Stalinist state. Pinochet, backed by the US and Britain, led the subsequent war against marxist terrorists. All urban wars are dirty and bloody. Look at Northern Ireland, Israel’s war against Palestinians, or Algeria.

Marxist urban rebels tried to overthrow Chile’s government, using bombings, assassinations, kidnapping and guerrilla assaults. Chile, and neighboring Argentina, suffered a reign of terror and faced near anarchy as communist guerillas attempted, in their own words, to ‘destroy the capitalist state. ‘

Chilean and Argentine security forces were ordered to fight an all-out war against the communist rebels. Terror against terror. In the process, some innocent people were arrested, tortured or disappeared. But most victims were not innocents. They were mainly marxist guerillas and terrorists,or part of the marxist support network, that included students, and marxist clergy and nuns.

A relentless war was waged against Pinochet and the Chilean people during the years, 1973-1990. Bill Jasper points out that in 1984 alone, there were 735 terrorist bombings with responsibility clamed by the Manuel Rodriguez Patriotic Front (MRPF) the Communist cadre supported by Cuba, Nicaragua, Libya, East Germany, and the Soviet Union. On Sept. 7, 1986, Pinochet and his 10-year-old grandson narrowly escaped an ambush by Communists armed with automatic rifles, rocket launchers, bazookas, and grenades. Many terrorists and their supporters were killed in this war of attrition both by Pinochet’s forces and by civilians seeking vengeance and. given the situation, many of their bodies went unidentified. Jasper states that “we have seen no evidence to sustain the charges that Pinochet ordered, knew of, or approved of, any plan for the use of murder or torture against his political opponents”.

Then the leftwing media in this country cried about how they were innocent and being murdered. It's not murder when you're shooting at government troops.

Let's have a link to all that violence Allende caused, you incredibly brainwashed moron....

Here ya go, douchebag:

Augusto Pinochet hero « The Historical Truth Project

 

[francoHFW]

As if you care:

Human rights violations in Pinochet's Chile - Wikipedia

"Human rights violations in Pinochet's Chile were the crimes against humanity, persecution of opponents, political repression and state terrorism committed by the Chilean Armed Forces, members of Carabineros de Chile and civil repressive agents members of a secret police, during the dictatorship of Augusto Pinochet in Chile from September 11, 1973, until March 11, 1990.

"According to the Commission of Truth and Reconciliation (Rettig Commission) and the National Commission on Political Imprisonment and Torture (Valech Commission), the number of direct victims of human rights violations in Chile accounts for around 30,000 people: 27,255 tortured and 2,279 executed.

"In addition, some 200,000 people suffered exile and an unknown number went through clandestine centers and illegal detention.[citation needed]"

You do realize that socialists murdered millions on millions, right? That doesn't mean that Pinochet wasn't committing crimes. Surely he was.

But if you think that this makes the case the left-wingers have been better on human rights.... you are beyond uninformed, you are a blithering idiot.

The Socialists in Chile? You are out of your tiny little mind. Like real socialist and not Communists, they were Democrats and mainly involved in social reform... Another brilliant effort by covert Republicans, just like wrecking Iran in 1953 and Central America multiple times. Stupid jackasses forever..

Allende was a fucking commie, moron. He was turning Chile onto a Stalinist state. Pinochet, backed by the US and Britain, led the subsequent war against marxist terrorists. All urban wars are dirty and bloody. Look at Northern Ireland, Israel’s war against Palestinians, or Algeria.

Marxist urban rebels tried to overthrow Chile’s government, using bombings, assassinations, kidnapping and guerrilla assaults. Chile, and neighboring Argentina, suffered a reign of terror and faced near anarchy as communist guerillas attempted, in their own words, to ‘destroy the capitalist state. ‘

Chilean and Argentine security forces were ordered to fight an all-out war against the communist rebels. Terror against terror. In the process, some innocent people were arrested, tortured or disappeared. But most victims were not innocents. They were mainly marxist guerillas and terrorists,or part of the marxist support network, that included students, and marxist clergy and nuns.

A relentless war was waged against Pinochet and the Chilean people during the years, 1973-1990. Bill Jasper points out that in 1984 alone, there were 735 terrorist bombings with responsibility clamed by the Manuel Rodriguez Patriotic Front (MRPF) the Communist cadre supported by Cuba, Nicaragua, Libya, East Germany, and the Soviet Union. On Sept. 7, 1986, Pinochet and his 10-year-old grandson narrowly escaped an ambush by Communists armed with automatic rifles, rocket launchers, bazookas, and grenades. Many terrorists and their supporters were killed in this war of attrition both by Pinochet’s forces and by civilians seeking vengeance and. given the situation, many of their bodies went unidentified. Jasper states that “we have seen no evidence to sustain the charges that Pinochet ordered, knew of, or approved of, any plan for the use of murder or torture against his political opponents”.

Then the leftwing media in this country cried about how they were innocent and being murdered. It's not murder when you're shooting at government troops.

Let's have a link to all that violence Allende caused, you incredibly brainwashed moron....

Here ya go, douchebag:

Augusto Pinochet hero « The Historical Truth Project

You really love garbage propaganda don't you? What an a****** Pinochet was total a******. Kind of like Kissinger and Nixon

 

[georgephillip]

Who's your top pick for economic's expert?

Milton Friedman is pretty good.

I thought you were a believer in free markets? The first thing the Chicago School did in Chile was close down every economics department in the country except for their chosen seminary at the Catholic University. They began an assassination program of left-wing professors, labor leaders and politicians and imposed neoliberalism by gunpoint. Apparently, Friedman's "free markets" require totalitarian control?

"They began an assassination program of left-wing professors, labor leaders and politicians and imposed neoliberalism by gunpoint."

Horseshit. Have got any credible sources to support that?

As if you care:

Human rights violations in Pinochet's Chile - Wikipedia

"Human rights violations in Pinochet's Chile were the crimes against humanity, persecution of opponents, political repression and state terrorism committed by the Chilean Armed Forces, members of Carabineros de Chile and civil repressive agents members of a secret police, during the dictatorship of Augusto Pinochet in Chile from September 11, 1973, until March 11, 1990.

"According to the Commission of Truth and Reconciliation (Rettig Commission) and the National Commission on Political Imprisonment and Torture (Valech Commission), the number of direct victims of human rights violations in Chile accounts for around 30,000 people: 27,255 tortured and 2,279 executed.

"In addition, some 200,000 people suffered exile and an unknown number went through clandestine centers and illegal detention.[citation needed]"

Where's the support for the claim that they conducted an "assassination program of left-wing professors, labor leaders and politicians?"

First off, Wikipedia isn't credible, and neither are any of these leftwing commissions who believe communists who take up arms against their own government should be treated like asylum seekers. The people Pinochet's government killed deserved what they got. Pinochet was fighting a civil war. People get killed in wars.

Pinochet, with help from Dick and Henry, overthrew an elected government and replaced it with state-sponsored terrorism, obviously something all good capitalist$ endor$e wholeheartedly:

1973 Chilean coup d'état - Wikipedia

"The 1973 Chilean coup d'état was a watershed moment in both the history of Chile and the Cold War. Following an extended period of social unrest and political tension between the opposition-controlled Congress of Chile and the socialist President Salvador Allende, as well as economic warfare ordered by US President Richard Nixon,[4] Allende was overthrown by the armed forces and national police.[5][6]

"The military deposed Allende's Popular Unity government and later established a junta that suspended all political activity in Chile and repressed left-wing movements, especially the Communist and socialist parties and the Revolutionary Left Movement (MIR).

"Allende's appointed army chief, Augusto Pinochet, rose to supreme power within a year of the coup, formally assuming power in late-1974.[7]

"The United States government, which had worked to create the conditions for the coup,[8][9][10] promptly recognized the junta."

Not unlike current events in Venezuela.

 

[francoHFW]

Sadly, that's not true. People can vote for astonishingly evil things.

They voted Hitler into office.

No they did not he only got 33% of the vote or something but more than anyone else. And Hindenburg appointed him Chancellor big mistake. As usual you have no clue you dupes...

Hindenburg had to appoint him to something because his party got the most votes in the election. That's how the German government worked.

Yes, the democratic result what a big mistake. Thanks for admitting it.

Hindenburg got 53% of the vote Hitler 37% in the presidential election. The Nazis got 36.3% in the following legislature elections. Hindenburg appointed him and he didn't need to...

Many thanks to the GOP for Wrecking the world economy again and setting up the chaos that led to Hitler and the Japanese militarists. Great job scumbag GOP and silly dupes like you. Thank God this time Democrats got in fast to avert another mess like this. Only cost about 8 trillion dollars. The EU also spent about that much, but the rest of the world just suffered. See Africa the Middle East and South America if you're wondering where all the refugees and pain is.

The Federal Reserve wrecked the world economy by tightening the money supply like an emergency stop in the American system after free money that bought us the Roaring 20's. And that was after Germany was dragged through the grinder for World War 1 you progressive socialist shill. Germans are a smart people. The globalists had their hand in their nation and the Russians under communism.

Harding and Coolidge allowed people to buy stock on margin with only 10% of the money they were spending. How did that work out stupid?

 

[francoHFW]

Yea I’d say government is a very shitty vessel for solving our problems. Individuals on the other hand are very good at it. I’m typing on a device that would’ve been considered a supercomputer in the 90s...and it fits in my palm. It’s tech making the entire globe richer, giving the impoverished worldwide access to the internet where they can participate in things like commerce and education they could not have dreamed of 10 years ago. Made by the same company that took 40 some years to be worth what our government lost track of in 10.

You should also be willing to ask the question : "What role did government play in the creation of Apple Computers?" Starting with its official corporate charter and extending through decades of taxpayer-funded (government) research and development into revolutionary technologies like the Internet, GPS, and touchscreen display.

Apple received its early stage finance from the US government's small business Investment Company program. Venture capitalists entered only after government funding had gotten Apple to the critical proof of concept stage.

Considering everything government contributed to Apple's current $1 trillion market cap, it is also shameful that Apple refuses to should its fair share of the federal tax burden, imho.

Taxpayers Helped Apple, but Apple Won’t Help Them

Whoa what is fair share? What is this amorphous, subjective term that keeps getting thrown around? At what point is fair share going to be satisfactory? In the European countries there doesn’t seem to be a satisfactory amount so taxes are constantly raised, or they realize continuously raising taxes does not help at all with job creation and they are moving right. And why is it moral to give money to a institution that LOST 1 trillion dollars since the movie the hangover was made? If that was a charity we were giving our hard earned money too, we’d be burning that bitch to the ground.

Sure apple didn’t get where they are on their own. And an interesting tidbit is that military innovation is probably the largest driver of innovation and beneficial tech for the public overall. But for that to happen, a country needs to recognize that the standard bureaucracy that politics always seems to breeds is detrimental to their military and its best to keep it out as much as possible (which many countries have). However, do you believe that if apple were in the business of whatever government dept, well say Medicare, it would be hemorrhaging as much money knowing it’s competing with google for Medicare patients and healthcare providers to use their service? If amazon ran the DMV do you think my drivers license photo would like I was ready to cry tears of rage? Faaack no. Did apple get where they are on their own. No. Did they have some help from government, sure. Was a government loan the driving force of their success, nope. What free markets do is crowd source solutions to humanities problems while rewarding the people who solve those problems. It monetizes service to humanity. After all, why are you going to pay for something that you don’t need or want? Is capatialism a perfect system, hell no. No system is, but it’s the best we have come up with. It’s not fair to capatilism to define it by the areas that is has fallen short of (areas perceived in this current tiny timeframe that’s constantly changing and improving)...but then ignore the tremendous leaps and bounds it has improved human life world wide. Read Enlightenment Now please, by Stephen Pinker, a Harvard psychologist (whose on the left so this isn’t a right wing shill propagandist). It’s absolutely nothing short of a miracle to see how far humanity has come even in the past 20 years. You will be blown away by the stats. Also Better Angels is another good one by him in the same sort of vein. Also, look up Bjorn Lomborg, he has a book (I haven’t read) but has Ted Talks, articles and videos talking about prioritizing the worlds problems and analysis and the best ways to solves them. It’s good stuff, and will show you that these free market things work pretty damn well.

It’s also important to note that the countries the likes of AOC and Bernie cite are not socialists countries. They are free market countries, with larger social programs than we have, and also larger tax rates. Real socialism is what we see in Venezuela (like 5 years ago it was heralded as a admirable success by the far left), and Cuba. Both are hell holes, and hopefully the change of leadership will help Venezuela (once a modern 1st world country with immense resources) get back in its feet. So what do you mean when you’re talking about socialism?

I think you’re simplifying world problems with an equation of government + more money = problems solved. But it’s not that simple, and government, pretty much by nature, is like a hanging flower pot where you turn the hose on full power and drench it, but only see droplets coming out of the bottom. I’m not saying government isn’t capable of any good, or doesn’t have a place. Just that you should honestly question if it is the best vessel for solving problems. Once again, it lost 1 trillion dollars. That’s a full 1/3 of what it takes in annually in tax revenue. 5% of the entire national GDP it carelessly lost in the cushions of the couch within 10 years. Is government really the best way to provide the most good? Is that going to give us the best bang for our buck?

Venezuela was never a first world country, idiot. They were an incredibly corrupt oligarchy. The 1% was first world Maybe.

 

[bripat9643]

You do realize that socialists murdered millions on millions, right? That doesn't mean that Pinochet wasn't committing crimes. Surely he was.

But if you think that this makes the case the left-wingers have been better on human rights.... you are beyond uninformed, you are a blithering idiot.

The Socialists in Chile? You are out of your tiny little mind. Like real socialist and not Communists, they were Democrats and mainly involved in social reform... Another brilliant effort by covert Republicans, just like wrecking Iran in 1953 and Central America multiple times. Stupid jackasses forever..

Allende was a fucking commie, moron. He was turning Chile onto a Stalinist state. Pinochet, backed by the US and Britain, led the subsequent war against marxist terrorists. All urban wars are dirty and bloody. Look at Northern Ireland, Israel’s war against Palestinians, or Algeria.

Marxist urban rebels tried to overthrow Chile’s government, using bombings, assassinations, kidnapping and guerrilla assaults. Chile, and neighboring Argentina, suffered a reign of terror and faced near anarchy as communist guerillas attempted, in their own words, to ‘destroy the capitalist state. ‘

Chilean and Argentine security forces were ordered to fight an all-out war against the communist rebels. Terror against terror. In the process, some innocent people were arrested, tortured or disappeared. But most victims were not innocents. They were mainly marxist guerillas and terrorists,or part of the marxist support network, that included students, and marxist clergy and nuns.

A relentless war was waged against Pinochet and the Chilean people during the years, 1973-1990. Bill Jasper points out that in 1984 alone, there were 735 terrorist bombings with responsibility clamed by the Manuel Rodriguez Patriotic Front (MRPF) the Communist cadre supported by Cuba, Nicaragua, Libya, East Germany, and the Soviet Union. On Sept. 7, 1986, Pinochet and his 10-year-old grandson narrowly escaped an ambush by Communists armed with automatic rifles, rocket launchers, bazookas, and grenades. Many terrorists and their supporters were killed in this war of attrition both by Pinochet’s forces and by civilians seeking vengeance and. given the situation, many of their bodies went unidentified. Jasper states that “we have seen no evidence to sustain the charges that Pinochet ordered, knew of, or approved of, any plan for the use of murder or torture against his political opponents”.

Then the leftwing media in this country cried about how they were innocent and being murdered. It's not murder when you're shooting at government troops.

Let's have a link to all that violence Allende caused, you incredibly brainwashed moron....

Here ya go, douchebag:

Augusto Pinochet hero « The Historical Truth Project

You really love garbage propaganda don't you? What an a****** Pinochet was total a******. Kind of like Kissinger and Nixon

Pinochet was a hero. Allende and the commies who supported him were the assholes. They were trying to convert Chile into a Soviet client state. They deserved everything they got.

 

[bripat9643]

Yea I’d say government is a very shitty vessel for solving our problems. Individuals on the other hand are very good at it. I’m typing on a device that would’ve been considered a supercomputer in the 90s...and it fits in my palm. It’s tech making the entire globe richer, giving the impoverished worldwide access to the internet where they can participate in things like commerce and education they could not have dreamed of 10 years ago. Made by the same company that took 40 some years to be worth what our government lost track of in 10.

You should also be willing to ask the question : "What role did government play in the creation of Apple Computers?" Starting with its official corporate charter and extending through decades of taxpayer-funded (government) research and development into revolutionary technologies like the Internet, GPS, and touchscreen display.

Apple received its early stage finance from the US government's small business Investment Company program. Venture capitalists entered only after government funding had gotten Apple to the critical proof of concept stage.

Considering everything government contributed to Apple's current $1 trillion market cap, it is also shameful that Apple refuses to should its fair share of the federal tax burden, imho.

Taxpayers Helped Apple, but Apple Won’t Help Them

Whoa what is fair share? What is this amorphous, subjective term that keeps getting thrown around? At what point is fair share going to be satisfactory? In the European countries there doesn’t seem to be a satisfactory amount so taxes are constantly raised, or they realize continuously raising taxes does not help at all with job creation and they are moving right. And why is it moral to give money to a institution that LOST 1 trillion dollars since the movie the hangover was made? If that was a charity we were giving our hard earned money too, we’d be burning that bitch to the ground.

Sure apple didn’t get where they are on their own. And an interesting tidbit is that military innovation is probably the largest driver of innovation and beneficial tech for the public overall. But for that to happen, a country needs to recognize that the standard bureaucracy that politics always seems to breeds is detrimental to their military and its best to keep it out as much as possible (which many countries have). However, do you believe that if apple were in the business of whatever government dept, well say Medicare, it would be hemorrhaging as much money knowing it’s competing with google for Medicare patients and healthcare providers to use their service? If amazon ran the DMV do you think my drivers license photo would like I was ready to cry tears of rage? Faaack no. Did apple get where they are on their own. No. Did they have some help from government, sure. Was a government loan the driving force of their success, nope. What free markets do is crowd source solutions to humanities problems while rewarding the people who solve those problems. It monetizes service to humanity. After all, why are you going to pay for something that you don’t need or want? Is capatialism a perfect system, hell no. No system is, but it’s the best we have come up with. It’s not fair to capatilism to define it by the areas that is has fallen short of (areas perceived in this current tiny timeframe that’s constantly changing and improving)...but then ignore the tremendous leaps and bounds it has improved human life world wide. Read Enlightenment Now please, by Stephen Pinker, a Harvard psychologist (whose on the left so this isn’t a right wing shill propagandist). It’s absolutely nothing short of a miracle to see how far humanity has come even in the past 20 years. You will be blown away by the stats. Also Better Angels is another good one by him in the same sort of vein. Also, look up Bjorn Lomborg, he has a book (I haven’t read) but has Ted Talks, articles and videos talking about prioritizing the worlds problems and analysis and the best ways to solves them. It’s good stuff, and will show you that these free market things work pretty damn well.

It’s also important to note that the countries the likes of AOC and Bernie cite are not socialists countries. They are free market countries, with larger social programs than we have, and also larger tax rates. Real socialism is what we see in Venezuela (like 5 years ago it was heralded as a admirable success by the far left), and Cuba. Both are hell holes, and hopefully the change of leadership will help Venezuela (once a modern 1st world country with immense resources) get back in its feet. So what do you mean when you’re talking about socialism?

I think you’re simplifying world problems with an equation of government + more money = problems solved. But it’s not that simple, and government, pretty much by nature, is like a hanging flower pot where you turn the hose on full power and drench it, but only see droplets coming out of the bottom. I’m not saying government isn’t capable of any good, or doesn’t have a place. Just that you should honestly question if it is the best vessel for solving problems. Once again, it lost 1 trillion dollars. That’s a full 1/3 of what it takes in annually in tax revenue. 5% of the entire national GDP it carelessly lost in the cushions of the couch within 10 years. Is government really the best way to provide the most good? Is that going to give us the best bang for our buck?

Venezuela was never a first world country, idiot. They were an incredibly corrupt oligarchy. The 1% was first world Maybe.

it was once ranked 4th in terms of GDP per capita, dumbass.

Venezuela Before Chavez: A Prelude to Socialist Failure | José Niño

From the 1910s to the 1930s, the much-maligned dictator Juan Vicente Gómez helped consolidate the Venezuelan state and modernized an otherwise neocolonial backwater by allowing market actors, domestic and foreign, to freely exploit newly discovered oil deposits. Venezuela would experience substantial economic growth and quickly establish itself as one of Latin America’s most prosperous countries by the 1950s.

In the 1950s, General Marcos Pérez Jiménez would continue Gómez’s legacy. At this juncture, Venezuela was at its peak, with a fourth place ranking in terms of per capita GDP worldwide.

More Than Just Oil
While oil exploitation did play a considerable role in Venezuela’s meteoric ascent from the 1920s to 1970s, this only scratches the surface in explaining how Venezuela became so prosperous during this period. A combination of a relatively free economy, an immigration system that attracted and assimilated laborers from Italy, Portugal, and Spain, and a system of strong property rights, allowed Venezuela to experience unprecedented levels of economic development from the 1940s up until the 1970s.​

 

[francoHFW]

You do realize that socialists murdered millions on millions, right? That doesn't mean that Pinochet wasn't committing crimes. Surely he was.

But if you think that this makes the case the left-wingers have been better on human rights.... you are beyond uninformed, you are a blithering idiot.

The Socialists in Chile? You are out of your tiny little mind. Like real socialist and not Communists, they were Democrats and mainly involved in social reform... Another brilliant effort by covert Republicans, just like wrecking Iran in 1953 and Central America multiple times. Stupid jackasses forever..

Allende was a fucking commie, moron. He was turning Chile onto a Stalinist state. Pinochet, backed by the US and Britain, led the subsequent war against marxist terrorists. All urban wars are dirty and bloody. Look at Northern Ireland, Israel’s war against Palestinians, or Algeria.

Marxist urban rebels tried to overthrow Chile’s government, using bombings, assassinations, kidnapping and guerrilla assaults. Chile, and neighboring Argentina, suffered a reign of terror and faced near anarchy as communist guerillas attempted, in their own words, to ‘destroy the capitalist state. ‘

Chilean and Argentine security forces were ordered to fight an all-out war against the communist rebels. Terror against terror. In the process, some innocent people were arrested, tortured or disappeared. But most victims were not innocents. They were mainly marxist guerillas and terrorists,or part of the marxist support network, that included students, and marxist clergy and nuns.

A relentless war was waged against Pinochet and the Chilean people during the years, 1973-1990. Bill Jasper points out that in 1984 alone, there were 735 terrorist bombings with responsibility clamed by the Manuel Rodriguez Patriotic Front (MRPF) the Communist cadre supported by Cuba, Nicaragua, Libya, East Germany, and the Soviet Union. On Sept. 7, 1986, Pinochet and his 10-year-old grandson narrowly escaped an ambush by Communists armed with automatic rifles, rocket launchers, bazookas, and grenades. Many terrorists and their supporters were killed in this war of attrition both by Pinochet’s forces and by civilians seeking vengeance and. given the situation, many of their bodies went unidentified. Jasper states that “we have seen no evidence to sustain the charges that Pinochet ordered, knew of, or approved of, any plan for the use of murder or torture against his political opponents”.

Then the leftwing media in this country cried about how they were innocent and being murdered. It's not murder when you're shooting at government troops.

Let's have a link to all that violence Allende caused, you incredibly brainwashed moron....

Here ya go, douchebag:

Augusto Pinochet hero « The Historical Truth Project

You really love garbage propaganda don't you? What an a****** Pinochet was total a******. Kind of like Kissinger and Nixon

And the generals in Argentina were just as bad.

 

[georgephillip]

socialism requires social morals for free not capital morals for a market friendly price.

communism may only require Ten simple Commandments from a God to achieve a Commune of Heaven on Earth.

The Communist Manifesto: The Ten Commandments of LOGIC

None of your posts seem to make a point.

What argument have you made in the last 5 posts? Nothing. Not a single valid point, about anything.

And the irony of your 10 commandments of logic, is that you last dozen posts, all violate those laws.

What background do you have to opine on logic?

 

[bripat9643]

Milton Friedman is pretty good.

I thought you were a believer in free markets? The first thing the Chicago School did in Chile was close down every economics department in the country except for their chosen seminary at the Catholic University. They began an assassination program of left-wing professors, labor leaders and politicians and imposed neoliberalism by gunpoint. Apparently, Friedman's "free markets" require totalitarian control?

"They began an assassination program of left-wing professors, labor leaders and politicians and imposed neoliberalism by gunpoint."

Horseshit. Have got any credible sources to support that?

As if you care:

Human rights violations in Pinochet's Chile - Wikipedia

"Human rights violations in Pinochet's Chile were the crimes against humanity, persecution of opponents, political repression and state terrorism committed by the Chilean Armed Forces, members of Carabineros de Chile and civil repressive agents members of a secret police, during the dictatorship of Augusto Pinochet in Chile from September 11, 1973, until March 11, 1990.

"According to the Commission of Truth and Reconciliation (Rettig Commission) and the National Commission on Political Imprisonment and Torture (Valech Commission), the number of direct victims of human rights violations in Chile accounts for around 30,000 people: 27,255 tortured and 2,279 executed.

"In addition, some 200,000 people suffered exile and an unknown number went through clandestine centers and illegal detention.[citation needed]"

Where's the support for the claim that they conducted an "assassination program of left-wing professors, labor leaders and politicians?"

First off, Wikipedia isn't credible, and neither are any of these leftwing commissions who believe communists who take up arms against their own government should be treated like asylum seekers. The people Pinochet's government killed deserved what they got. Pinochet was fighting a civil war. People get killed in wars.

Pinochet, with help from Dick and Henry, overthrew an elected government and replaced it with state-sponsored terrorism, obviously something all good capitalist$ endor$e wholeheartedly:

1973 Chilean coup d'état - Wikipedia

"The 1973 Chilean coup d'état was a watershed moment in both the history of Chile and the Cold War. Following an extended period of social unrest and political tension between the opposition-controlled Congress of Chile and the socialist President Salvador Allende, as well as economic warfare ordered by US President Richard Nixon,[4] Allende was overthrown by the armed forces and national police.[5][6]

"The military deposed Allende's Popular Unity government and later established a junta that suspended all political activity in Chile and repressed left-wing movements, especially the Communist and socialist parties and the Revolutionary Left Movement (MIR).

"Allende's appointed army chief, Augusto Pinochet, rose to supreme power within a year of the coup, formally assuming power in late-1974.[7]

"The United States government, which had worked to create the conditions for the coup,[8][9][10] promptly recognized the junta."

Not unlike current events in Venezuela.

Allende was a Stalinist scumbag. Having the word "popular" in the part name didn't mean it was actually popular. It was universally unpopular:

Augusto Pinochet hero « The Historical Truth Project​

Pinochet was at war with a force that would stop at nothing to achieve victory, which would have amounted to complete subjugation under a Communist jack-boot. This truly was, to paraphrase Meyer, a battle between good guys and bad guys. The Pinochet coup was a defensive action and a direct response to formal requests by the Judiciary, the Legislature, and prominent citizens for military intervention as the situation under Salvador Allende were rapidly deteriorating. By 1980, the Chilean people voted 68 per cent to approve a new constitution presented by the Pinochet government. This was the first step on the heroic road to the Republican democracy Chile is today.

Allende will be covered in coming weeks, however, it must be pointed out that documents and arms captured after Allende was overthrown, Sept. 11, 1973 proved that he was planning a coup of his own scheduled for Sept. 19, and to liquidate his opposition Castro style. Pinochet, who had served Allende as Army Chief of Staff during his three years in power, acted strictly out of a sense of duty and honor, and at great personal risk given Allende’s extensive Gestapo, to save his nation from catastrophe. Pinochet was the quintessential career military man and had no ambition to involve himself in civilian affairs. Due to a traditional Latin American code of honor, he felt he had no choice.​

 

[bripat9643]

The Socialists in Chile? You are out of your tiny little mind. Like real socialist and not Communists, they were Democrats and mainly involved in social reform... Another brilliant effort by covert Republicans, just like wrecking Iran in 1953 and Central America multiple times. Stupid jackasses forever..

Allende was a fucking commie, moron. He was turning Chile onto a Stalinist state. Pinochet, backed by the US and Britain, led the subsequent war against marxist terrorists. All urban wars are dirty and bloody. Look at Northern Ireland, Israel’s war against Palestinians, or Algeria.

Marxist urban rebels tried to overthrow Chile’s government, using bombings, assassinations, kidnapping and guerrilla assaults. Chile, and neighboring Argentina, suffered a reign of terror and faced near anarchy as communist guerillas attempted, in their own words, to ‘destroy the capitalist state. ‘

Chilean and Argentine security forces were ordered to fight an all-out war against the communist rebels. Terror against terror. In the process, some innocent people were arrested, tortured or disappeared. But most victims were not innocents. They were mainly marxist guerillas and terrorists,or part of the marxist support network, that included students, and marxist clergy and nuns.

A relentless war was waged against Pinochet and the Chilean people during the years, 1973-1990. Bill Jasper points out that in 1984 alone, there were 735 terrorist bombings with responsibility clamed by the Manuel Rodriguez Patriotic Front (MRPF) the Communist cadre supported by Cuba, Nicaragua, Libya, East Germany, and the Soviet Union. On Sept. 7, 1986, Pinochet and his 10-year-old grandson narrowly escaped an ambush by Communists armed with automatic rifles, rocket launchers, bazookas, and grenades. Many terrorists and their supporters were killed in this war of attrition both by Pinochet’s forces and by civilians seeking vengeance and. given the situation, many of their bodies went unidentified. Jasper states that “we have seen no evidence to sustain the charges that Pinochet ordered, knew of, or approved of, any plan for the use of murder or torture against his political opponents”.

Then the leftwing media in this country cried about how they were innocent and being murdered. It's not murder when you're shooting at government troops.

Let's have a link to all that violence Allende caused, you incredibly brainwashed moron....

Here ya go, douchebag:

Augusto Pinochet hero « The Historical Truth Project

You really love garbage propaganda don't you? What an a****** Pinochet was total a******. Kind of like Kissinger and Nixon

And the generals in Argentina were just as bad.

You mean the communist revolutionaries in Argentina were just as bad.

 

[francoHFW]

The Socialists in Chile? You are out of your tiny little mind. Like real socialist and not Communists, they were Democrats and mainly involved in social reform... Another brilliant effort by covert Republicans, just like wrecking Iran in 1953 and Central America multiple times. Stupid jackasses forever..

Allende was a fucking commie, moron. He was turning Chile onto a Stalinist state. Pinochet, backed by the US and Britain, led the subsequent war against marxist terrorists. All urban wars are dirty and bloody. Look at Northern Ireland, Israel’s war against Palestinians, or Algeria.

Marxist urban rebels tried to overthrow Chile’s government, using bombings, assassinations, kidnapping and guerrilla assaults. Chile, and neighboring Argentina, suffered a reign of terror and faced near anarchy as communist guerillas attempted, in their own words, to ‘destroy the capitalist state. ‘

Chilean and Argentine security forces were ordered to fight an all-out war against the communist rebels. Terror against terror. In the process, some innocent people were arrested, tortured or disappeared. But most victims were not innocents. They were mainly marxist guerillas and terrorists,or part of the marxist support network, that included students, and marxist clergy and nuns.

A relentless war was waged against Pinochet and the Chilean people during the years, 1973-1990. Bill Jasper points out that in 1984 alone, there were 735 terrorist bombings with responsibility clamed by the Manuel Rodriguez Patriotic Front (MRPF) the Communist cadre supported by Cuba, Nicaragua, Libya, East Germany, and the Soviet Union. On Sept. 7, 1986, Pinochet and his 10-year-old grandson narrowly escaped an ambush by Communists armed with automatic rifles, rocket launchers, bazookas, and grenades. Many terrorists and their supporters were killed in this war of attrition both by Pinochet’s forces and by civilians seeking vengeance and. given the situation, many of their bodies went unidentified. Jasper states that “we have seen no evidence to sustain the charges that Pinochet ordered, knew of, or approved of, any plan for the use of murder or torture against his political opponents”.

Then the leftwing media in this country cried about how they were innocent and being murdered. It's not murder when you're shooting at government troops.

Let's have a link to all that violence Allende caused, you incredibly brainwashed moron....

Here ya go, douchebag:

Augusto Pinochet hero « The Historical Truth Project

You really love garbage propaganda don't you? What an a****** Pinochet was total a******. Kind of like Kissinger and Nixon

Pinochet was a hero. Allende and the commies who supported him were the assholes. They were trying to convert Chile into a Soviet client state. They deserved everything they got.

Nothing you know is true. sounds just like you do with Hillary and Obama --the charges are coming!! idiot.