Why Are Americans and Conservatives So Afraid of Socialism?

[bripat9643]

Of course they did, retard.
They twisted Reagan's arm.

Congress was run by Dims, moron. the had to approve every spending bill and every tax bill.

 

[citygator]

That is bullshit Moon Bat.

You may be happy as horseshit if you are one of the worthless greedy assholes that thinks you are entitled to have somebody else to pay your bills. However, if you are the one that has to work to pay somebody's else's bills then you are pretty damn unhappy.

Socialism is nothing more than state sponsored thievery and slavery.

You are always confused about things like this. The US has the best health care in the world.

Some small homogeneous mostly White Capitalists countries have chose to pool their common resources for things like health care. They can do it because they have more honest political leaders than we do and they don't have the massive number of welfare queens that we have. If we ship them some of the millions of Negroes and Illegals that fuck up our country their country would be fucked up and their pooled programs bankrupted.

We have the best healthcare for rich people. We do not have the best healthcare for the rest. It’s a fact that we have the least accessible healthcare system in the first world countries of Europe and North America.

Clean up your racism. It shows off your ignorance and insecurity like a flashing light.

DEFINE_ME

 

[BackAgain]

Socialism obviously works better because we create the service ourselves, and then have complete control over quality and costs.
Then there is no one skimming off most of the money as profit.
It all goes to provide the best possible service.

It isn’t “obvious.” And it isn’t true. Socialism doesn’t work at all. Ask the folks in Venezuela eating zoo meat.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Congress was run by Dims, moron. the had to approve every spending bill and every tax bill.

So did Reagan, moron.
He only vetoed 2 spending bills in 8 years.

1. November 23, 1981: Vetoed H.J.Res. 357, Continuing Appropriations for fiscal year 1982. No override attempt made.
2. December 30, 1981: Pocket vetoed H.R. 4353, To amend the Federal Bankruptcies Act of 1978.[28]
3. March 20, 1982: Vetoed S. 1503, Standby Petroleum Allocation Act of 1982. Override attempt failed in Senate, 58–36 (63 needed).
4. June 1, 1982: Vetoed H.R. 5118, Southern Arizona Water Rights Settlement Act of 1982. No override attempt made.
5. June 24, 1982: Vetoed H.R. 5922, Urgent Supplemental Appropriations Act, 1982. Override attempt failed in House, 253–151 (270 needed).
6. June 25, 1982: Vetoed H.R. 6682, Urgent Supplemental Appropriations Act, 1982. Override attempt failed in House, 242–169 (274 needed).
7. July 8, 1982: Vetoed H.R. 6198, A bill to amend the manufacturing clause of the copyright law. Overridden by House, 324–86 (274 needed). Overridden by Senate, 84–9 (62 needed), and enacted as Pub.L. 97–215 over the president's veto.
8. August 28, 1982: Vetoed H.R. 6863, Supplemental Appropriations Act, 1982. Overridden by House, 301–117 (279 needed). Overridden by Senate, 60–30 (60 needed), and enacted as Pub.L. 97–257 over the president's veto.
9. October 15, 1982: Vetoed H.R. 1371, A bill to amend section 12 of the Contract Disputes Act of 1978. No override attempt made.
10. October 22, 1982: Vetoed S. 2577, Environmental Research, Development, and Demonstration Act of 1983. No override attempt made.
11. January 3, 1983: Pocket vetoed S. 2623, A bill to amend and extend the Tribally Controlled Community College Assistance Act of 1978, and for other purposes.
12. January 4, 1983: Pocket vetoed H.R. 5858, A bill for the relief of Mocatta & Goldsmid, Ltd., Sharps, Pixley & Co., Ltd., and Primary Metal and Mineral Corp (private bill).
13. January 14, 1983: Pocket vetoed H.R. 3963, A bill to amend the Contract Services for Drug Dependent Federal Offenders Act of 1978.
14. January 14, 1983: Pocket vetoed H.R. 9, Florida Wilderness Act of 1982.
15. January 14, 1983: Pocket vetoed H.R. 7336, A bill to make certain technical amendments to improve implementation of the Education Consolidation and Improvement Act of 1981.
16. September 26, 1986: Vetoed, H.R. 4868, Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act. Overridden by House, 292–133 (284 needed). Overridden by Senate, 73–24 (65 needed), and enacted as Pub.L. 99–440 over the president's veto.
17. March 16, 1988: Vetoed S. 557, Civil Rights Restoration Act of 1987. Overridden by House, 313–83 (264 needed). Overridden by Senate, 78–21 (66 needed), and enacted as Pub.L. 100–259 over the president's veto.

 

[bripat9643]

So did Reagan, moron.
He only vetoed 2 spending bills in 8 years.

1. November 23, 1981: Vetoed H.J.Res. 357, Continuing Appropriations for fiscal year 1982. No override attempt made.
2. December 30, 1981: Pocket vetoed H.R. 4353, To amend the Federal Bankruptcies Act of 1978.[28]
3. March 20, 1982: Vetoed S. 1503, Standby Petroleum Allocation Act of 1982. Override attempt failed in Senate, 58–36 (63 needed).
4. June 1, 1982: Vetoed H.R. 5118, Southern Arizona Water Rights Settlement Act of 1982. No override attempt made.
5. June 24, 1982: Vetoed H.R. 5922, Urgent Supplemental Appropriations Act, 1982. Override attempt failed in House, 253–151 (270 needed).
6. June 25, 1982: Vetoed H.R. 6682, Urgent Supplemental Appropriations Act, 1982. Override attempt failed in House, 242–169 (274 needed).
7. July 8, 1982: Vetoed H.R. 6198, A bill to amend the manufacturing clause of the copyright law. Overridden by House, 324–86 (274 needed). Overridden by Senate, 84–9 (62 needed), and enacted as Pub.L. 97–215 over the president's veto.
8. August 28, 1982: Vetoed H.R. 6863, Supplemental Appropriations Act, 1982. Overridden by House, 301–117 (279 needed). Overridden by Senate, 60–30 (60 needed), and enacted as Pub.L. 97–257 over the president's veto.
9. October 15, 1982: Vetoed H.R. 1371, A bill to amend section 12 of the Contract Disputes Act of 1978. No override attempt made.
10. October 22, 1982: Vetoed S. 2577, Environmental Research, Development, and Demonstration Act of 1983. No override attempt made.
11. January 3, 1983: Pocket vetoed S. 2623, A bill to amend and extend the Tribally Controlled Community College Assistance Act of 1978, and for other purposes.
12. January 4, 1983: Pocket vetoed H.R. 5858, A bill for the relief of Mocatta & Goldsmid, Ltd., Sharps, Pixley & Co., Ltd., and Primary Metal and Mineral Corp (private bill).
13. January 14, 1983: Pocket vetoed H.R. 3963, A bill to amend the Contract Services for Drug Dependent Federal Offenders Act of 1978.
14. January 14, 1983: Pocket vetoed H.R. 9, Florida Wilderness Act of 1982.
15. January 14, 1983: Pocket vetoed H.R. 7336, A bill to make certain technical amendments to improve implementation of the Education Consolidation and Improvement Act of 1981.
16. September 26, 1986: Vetoed, H.R. 4868, Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act. Overridden by House, 292–133 (284 needed). Overridden by Senate, 73–24 (65 needed), and enacted as Pub.L. 99–440 over the president's veto.
17. March 16, 1988: Vetoed S. 557, Civil Rights Restoration Act of 1987. Overridden by House, 313–83 (264 needed). Overridden by Senate, 78–21 (66 needed), and enacted as Pub.L. 100–259 over the president's veto.

That doesn't alter the fact that the Dim Congress had to approve every spending bill.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

It isn’t “obvious.” And it isn’t true. Socialism doesn’t work at all. Ask the folks in Benezuela eating zoo meat.

It sure is, obvious.
Sounds very similar to what Trump and his cult were/are trying to do.

President Maduro acknowledged PSUV defeat, but attributed the opposition's victory to an intensification of an economic war. Despite this, Maduro said "I will stop by hook or by crook the opposition coming to power, whatever the costs, in any way".

In the following months, Maduro fulfilled his promise of preventing the democratically and constitutionally elected National Assembly from legislating.

The first steps taken by PSUV and government were the substitution of the entire Supreme court a day after the Parliamentary Elections contrary to the Constitution of Venezuela, acclaimed as a fraud by the majority of the Venezuelan and international press.
The Financial Times described the function of the Supreme Court in Venezuela as "rubber stamping executive whims and vetoing legislation".

The PSUV government used this violation to suspend several elected opponents ignoring again the Constitution of Venezuela. Maduro said that "the Amnesty law (approved by the Parliament) will not be executed" and asked the Supreme Court to declare it unconstitutional before the law was known.

On 16 January 2016, Maduro approved an unconstitutional economic emergency decree, relegating to his own figure the legislative and executive powers, while also holding judiciary power through the fraudulent designation of judges the day after the election on 6 December 2015.

From these events, Maduro effectively controls all three branches of government. On 14 May 2016, constitutional guarantees were in fact suspended when Maduro decreed the extension of the economic emergency decree for another 60 days and declared a State of Emergency, which is a clear violation of the Constitution of Venezuela in the Article 338th: "The approval of the extension of States of emergency corresponds to the National Assembly." Thus, constitutional rights in Venezuela are considered suspended in fact by many publications and public figures.

 

[BackAgain]

It sure is, obvious.
Sounds very similar to what Trump and his cult were/are trying to do.

President Maduro acknowledged PSUV defeat, but attributed the opposition's victory to an intensification of an economic war. Despite this, Maduro said "I will stop by hook or by crook the opposition coming to power, whatever the costs, in any way".

In the following months, Maduro fulfilled his promise of preventing the democratically and constitutionally elected National Assembly from legislating.

The first steps taken by PSUV and government were the substitution of the entire Supreme court a day after the Parliamentary Elections contrary to the Constitution of Venezuela, acclaimed as a fraud by the majority of the Venezuelan and international press.
The Financial Times described the function of the Supreme Court in Venezuela as "rubber stamping executive whims and vetoing legislation".

The PSUV government used this violation to suspend several elected opponents ignoring again the Constitution of Venezuela. Maduro said that "the Amnesty law (approved by the Parliament) will not be executed" and asked the Supreme Court to declare it unconstitutional before the law was known.

On 16 January 2016, Maduro approved an unconstitutional economic emergency decree, relegating to his own figure the legislative and executive powers, while also holding judiciary power through the fraudulent designation of judges the day after the election on 6 December 2015.

From these events, Maduro effectively controls all three branches of government. On 14 May 2016, constitutional guarantees were in fact suspended when Maduro decreed the extension of the economic emergency decree for another 60 days and declared a State of Emergency, which is a clear violation of the Constitution of Venezuela in the Article 338th: "The approval of the extension of States of emergency corresponds to the National Assembly." Thus, constitutional rights in Venezuela are considered suspended in fact by many publications and public figures.

No. It isn’t obvious. And it isn’t even true. Venezuela is proof of how socialism works. And it failed miserably. Even for zoo animals.

 

[Flash]

So did Reagan, moron.
He only vetoed 2 spending bills in 8 years.

1. November 23, 1981: Vetoed H.J.Res. 357, Continuing Appropriations for fiscal year 1982. No override attempt made.
2. December 30, 1981: Pocket vetoed H.R. 4353, To amend the Federal Bankruptcies Act of 1978.[28]
3. March 20, 1982: Vetoed S. 1503, Standby Petroleum Allocation Act of 1982. Override attempt failed in Senate, 58–36 (63 needed).
4. June 1, 1982: Vetoed H.R. 5118, Southern Arizona Water Rights Settlement Act of 1982. No override attempt made.
5. June 24, 1982: Vetoed H.R. 5922, Urgent Supplemental Appropriations Act, 1982. Override attempt failed in House, 253–151 (270 needed).
6. June 25, 1982: Vetoed H.R. 6682, Urgent Supplemental Appropriations Act, 1982. Override attempt failed in House, 242–169 (274 needed).
7. July 8, 1982: Vetoed H.R. 6198, A bill to amend the manufacturing clause of the copyright law. Overridden by House, 324–86 (274 needed). Overridden by Senate, 84–9 (62 needed), and enacted as Pub.L. 97–215 over the president's veto.
8. August 28, 1982: Vetoed H.R. 6863, Supplemental Appropriations Act, 1982. Overridden by House, 301–117 (279 needed). Overridden by Senate, 60–30 (60 needed), and enacted as Pub.L. 97–257 over the president's veto.
9. October 15, 1982: Vetoed H.R. 1371, A bill to amend section 12 of the Contract Disputes Act of 1978. No override attempt made.
10. October 22, 1982: Vetoed S. 2577, Environmental Research, Development, and Demonstration Act of 1983. No override attempt made.
11. January 3, 1983: Pocket vetoed S. 2623, A bill to amend and extend the Tribally Controlled Community College Assistance Act of 1978, and for other purposes.
12. January 4, 1983: Pocket vetoed H.R. 5858, A bill for the relief of Mocatta & Goldsmid, Ltd., Sharps, Pixley & Co., Ltd., and Primary Metal and Mineral Corp (private bill).
13. January 14, 1983: Pocket vetoed H.R. 3963, A bill to amend the Contract Services for Drug Dependent Federal Offenders Act of 1978.
14. January 14, 1983: Pocket vetoed H.R. 9, Florida Wilderness Act of 1982.
15. January 14, 1983: Pocket vetoed H.R. 7336, A bill to make certain technical amendments to improve implementation of the Education Consolidation and Improvement Act of 1981.
16. September 26, 1986: Vetoed, H.R. 4868, Comprehensive Anti-Apartheid Act. Overridden by House, 292–133 (284 needed). Overridden by Senate, 73–24 (65 needed), and enacted as Pub.L. 99–440 over the president's veto.
17. March 16, 1988: Vetoed S. 557, Civil Rights Restoration Act of 1987. Overridden by House, 313–83 (264 needed). Overridden by Senate, 78–21 (66 needed), and enacted as Pub.L. 100–259 over the president's veto.

Excuse me Moon Bat but are you under the impression that the Republican Party is not just as big government as the filthy Democrat Party?

They are both parties of big government.

Democrats run on a platform of bad fiscally irresponsible government and they always deliver.

Republicans run on a platform of fiscally responsible government but usually deliver what we almost would have got had the filthy Democrats been elected.

The differences are minimal. Under both parties the size of government grows and that is despicable and the reason our country is so fucked up.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

That doesn't alter the fact that the Dim Congress had to approve every spending bill.

Doesn't alter the fact that the republican senate had to approve too.
And they did, along with Reagan.

 

[BackAgain]

Excuse me Moon Bat but are you under the impression that the Republican Party is not just as big government as the filthy Democrat Party?

They are both parties of big government.

Democrats run on a platform of bad fiscally irresponsible government and they always deliver.

Republicans run on a platform of fiscally responsible government but usually deliver what we almost would have got had the filthy Democrats been elected.

The differences are minimal. Under both parties the size of government grows and that is despicable and the reason our country is so fucked up.

You said it succinctly and well. With a caveat or two, I agree with you. I’d say the Dims are massively worse; but the GOP — in its studious indifference to actually DOING what they “recommend” — is pretty much just worthless. Each major Party does tend to be “big government” in the end. And it’s distressing. But more than that: it’s dangerous.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

No. It isn’t obvious.

I know, Trumptards are oblivious

And it isn’t even true.

YES, it is moron.

Venezuela is proof of how socialism works.

More of communism.
a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

Than socialism.
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

And it failed miserably. Even for zoo animals.

Yeah, everyone knows that.

 

[Flash]

You said it succinctly and well. With a caveat or two, I agree with you. I’d say the Dims are massively worse; but the GOP — in its studious indifference to actually DOING what they “recommend” — is pretty much just worthless. Each major Party does tend to be “big government” in the end. And it’s distressing. But more than that: it’s dangerous.

There is another difference. Typically the Republicans use the debt to actually stimulate the economy. The Democrats use the debt to fund worthless progressive programs and to pay off their special interest groups, like when Obama bailed out the UAW pension fund. There is a lot of that filthy ass Libtard payoff in this stupid BBB bill.

 

[BackAgain]

I know, Trumptards are oblivious

YES, it is moron.

More of communism.
a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.

Than socialism.
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.


Yeah, everyone knows that.

No. You Brandon ass-suckers just don’t use words correctly.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Excuse me Moon Bat but are you under the impression that the Republican Party is not just as big government as the filthy Democrat Party?

Yes, republicans fooling their gullible herd since Reagan.
They've never reduced government spending, let alone the debt.
Republicans privatize the government, wars, prisons, then claim they're reducing the government.

They are both parties of big government.

Democrats run on a platform of bad fiscally irresponsible government and they always deliver.

Nothing like the republitards.
Look at Bush and Trump, both failures.

Republicans run on a platform of fiscally responsible government but usually deliver what we almost would have got had the filthy Democrats been elected.

You're FOS, as usual, look at the orange retard, $151 million so he could play golf 307 days of his term.

Trump said he could pay down the national debt, then about $19 trillion, “over a period of eight years” by renegotiating trade deals and spurring economic growth.
By the end of 2019, the debt had risen to $23.2 trillion.

$4 trillion in two years?

The differences are minimal. Under both parties the size of government grows and that is despicable and the reason our country is so fucked up.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

There is another difference. Typically the Republicans use the debt to actually stimulate the economy.

USE the debt to stimulate economy?
By crying for more tax cuts?

That's like when you can't eve make your car payment, then a a yacht.

The Democrats use the debt to fund worthless progressive programs and to pay off their special interest groups, like when Obama bailed out the UAW pension fund.

Nothing compared to Trump and Mnuchin.

U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin told Congress Wednesday that the Trump administration intends to keep secret the names of the businesses that have received more than $500 billion in COVID-19 bailout funds through the Paycheck Protection Program (PPP), claiming the information is “confidential.”

There is a lot of that filthy ass Libtard payoff in this stupid BBB bill.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

No. You Biden ass suckers just don’t use words correctly.

You Trumptards don't know the meaning of the words.

No. You Biden ass suckers just don’t use words correctly.

Trump claims to know words ' I went to an Ivy League school. I’m very highly educated. I know words, I have the best words'.

 

[ConserveGuy]

Look around and see what countries have thrived with using Socialism. None of them have.

 

[sartre play]

The only thing am not hearing here is balance, real life requires compromise. There are many truths in both sides of the argument. We are all lucky to be citizens of this great nation. And no its not perfect and you are not totally wrong or totally right. A closed mind is incapable of realistic reasoning.

 

[Meister]

What an interesting blog article on American ideas about civil responsibility and the knee jerk reaction of Americans generally, and Conservatives specifically, to fear community welfare and immediately associate it with socialism or communism. It led to her asking “What are you so afraid of?”, and she received 5 specific groups of fears:

1. I’m scared of having to pay for other people’s laziness
2. I’m scared because I don’t trust my government or other people generally
3. I’m scared because socialism leads to authoritarianism
4. I’m scared because socialists and communists kill a lot of people
5. I’m not scared, socialism always fails

She has some good responses to these fears that I can’t do just to for a short attention span. Read the link if you want. I think these fears keep America from being a great and caring nation.

Why Are Americans and Conservatives So Afraid of Socialism?
I went a little bit viral on TikTok recently for voicing the unthinkable: I said that I like paying taxes. As you might imagine, the Americans and Conservatives in my comment section were shocked and appalled. The words communist and socialist were thrown around like insults, images of gulags and famine were invoked to prove some kind of vague and poorly-articulated point about freedom.

In contrast, the (predominantly western/northern) Europeans seemed to find my explanation pretty fair and even stopped to correct me on some of the finer points of Scottish, Scandinavian and German socialist democracy.

What shocked me, however, was not that so many Americans and Conservatives seemed to misunderstand fundamental aspects of civil life — like taxation — but that so many seemed so vehemently opposed to any suggestion that we should all contribute to the collective welfare of our countrymen.

Curiosity piqued, yesterday I made the mistake of asking Americans and Conservatives: “What is it about communism/socialism that scares you?” Here’s what they said.

I want you to have yours, and I want me to have mine.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Look around and see what countries have thrived with using Socialism. None of them have.

According to Trumptards, Canada is socialist.